The White Boy speaks on dating Asian Women
UPDATE: Jay Spark has written an update on his dating experiences, since this article was published.You can read it here! The 5 year update!
I get asked all the time, as a white guy who mostly dates Asian women, why I date Asian women more than any others. Asiance readers must get approached by guys like me and it must be hard to understand the behavior, I imagine it would frustrate and annoy you if you don’t understand it. People often ascribe negative motivations to behavior they don’t understand. It’s a sensitive and personal topic, so it’s hard to talk about. This article is supposed to raise the level of understanding. My goal is to be honest and candid.
I get asked all the time, as a white guy who mostly dates Asian women, why I date Asian women more than any others. Asiance readers must get approached by guys like me and it must be hard to understand the behavior, I imagine it would frustrate and annoy you if you don’t understand it. People often ascribe negative motivations to behavior they don’t understand. It’s a sensitive and personal topic, so it’s hard to talk about. This article is supposed to raise the level of understanding. My goal is to be honest and candid.
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Talking openly about the topic is hard because of the tone I often hear, as in the terms Asian Fetish or Yellow Fever. Fetish means you substitute an object for a person. Fever implies you are crazy. If you’ve been approached by many white guys, you may feel they see you as an object or they are crazy. That may be true of some, I don’t know, but not of all.
On the other hand, people seem to love talking about the subject. Conversations can go on for hours. Everyone has an opinion. American culture stifles talk about race, so when people find others with whom they can speak openly, months of withheld observations can come out. Unfortunately, even friends can be quick to judge and polarize the conversation, often ending it, with one misstatement.
I can’t recall hearing a positive reaction to a white guy preferring Asian women. People often say negative or neutral things, but rarely positive. I also don’t hear people talk about Asian women who are into white guys. I’ve met plenty, but I don’t hear them described as having a fetish or a fever. It feels like Russ Meyers and Hugh Hefner get more understanding.
It’s important to remember the diversity of groups. There are a lot more people and cultures of both European and Asian descent than I can keep track of. I don’t know if my details are important, but maybe they’ll help you. I am a tall, fit, white guy in my mid-thirties. I am from the East coast, went to Ivy League schools for college and an MBA, and now live in New York City. I have had one deeply loving, multi-year relationship with a Korean woman (let’s call her Esther) and one with a white woman. Of my other romantic relationships, at least three quarters have been with Asians, but I have dated women of many ethnicities.
I am more attracted to Asian women than any other women. I don’t know why. It’s been that way since I was first attracted to women, although I didn’t realize it for a long time. I tend to be attracted to Koreans and some Japanese more than others, but I’ve dated Chinese, Filipino, Indonesian, and Thai.
I got over the feeling of racism when I realized the preference wasn’t a judgment. It was just whom I was attracted to. My preference feels no more racist than being interested in women feels sexist.
One of my earliest memories of feeling attraction to a girl was in high school. I was on the bus. An Asian girl from the high school across the street got on. She wasn’t the first Asian girl I had seen, but it felt like the whole rest of the world disappeared, like I witnessed beauty for the first time. I had never been so attracted to someone before. I don’t think I ever saw her again. I remember having a vague sense her being Asian had something to do with my attraction, but I dismissed that sense at the time, feeling it was racist.
For many years, I noticed that preference for Asians, but kept dismissing it. I fell in love with a white girl, who was for a few years everything to me. She is still a great friend. Later, in college, people who noticed my preference joked about it, generally making me feel embarrassed and ashamed. Eventually I came to accept it. I got over the feeling of racism when I realized the preference wasn’t a judgment. It was just whom I was attracted to. My preference feels no more racist than being interested in women feels sexist.
I never felt my preference was a choice. People act like I have a choice in the matter. I have no sense that I do. As best I can tell I was born this way. People have a hard time accepting that I did not choose this preference. I didn’t choose to be heterosexual either, but I am, and no one asks why I choose women over men or calls me sexist. The internal feeling is the same.
The attraction is purely physical, for better or worse. Asian, especially Korean, features attract me – “ both nothing specific and everything together. I wish I could say more because people always ask. Asian features – “ straight black hair, eyes, etc. – “ tend to sound attractive, but no one feature is most important. Asian features don’t override everything else. Plenty of Asian women don’t attract me. I also don’t extrapolate from physical features to personality.
For people who accept that my attraction is just physical and otherwise like that of other guys, all the rest of my behavior follows. Because it feels good to open up with someone, to be myself, I try to get to know women to whom I am attracted. I think that’s true of everyone. Do the people you find yourself attracted to have certain characteristics? I hear for many (not all!) women attraction can come from height, profession, level of success, or power. Do you like to be with people to whom you can open up and be yourself? Do you try to spend time with them? If so, it may be easier to understand me. For me, the people I happen to find myself attracted to are Asian women. I am not attracted to them because they or their parents or families are from the continent of Asia or because of any cultural heritage. I don’t find any of the many Asian cultures or histories more or less rich than those of any other cultures.
I want to be with them because I am attracted to them. I think this desire to find someone you can feel comfortable with is universal and a powerful motivator. I’ve never met anyone who didn’t like being with someone they felt comfortable with, or who liked being with someone who made them feel uncomfortable and awkward.
In the long run, a relationship depends on how the two people relate regardless of the initial attraction. In this regard, I relate to the same things as anyone: personality, a sense of humor, common interests, common backgrounds, and so on. Communication and understanding is important, so I tend to be attracted to Asian-Americans. I don’t favor one culture over another, I just happen to have been born in the U.S. and learned its language and culture.
Preconceptions
Below are some preconceptions I hear a lot. They don’t apply to me, but people expect them to. Maybe they apply to others, I don’t know. They would sound ridiculous to me if I didn’t hear them so much. I believe they come from a lack of understanding. One of the reasons I am writing this article is to increase the level of understanding.
Preconceived notion #1
I am attracted to all Asian women, or if a woman is Asian I will be attracted to her. Just because a woman is Asian does not mean I will like her or find her attractive. Do people believe anyone has one and only one measure of attractiveness? Why would they think I was different? Of course things like personality, sense of humor, common interests, etc. are the same to me as you. After the initial attraction fades, those elements determine the relationship. Can you imagine someone thinking that little about you? How would you feel?
Preconceived notion #2
Asian women are submissive and that’s what attracts me. Do people really believe Asians are more or less submissive than others? I can imagine culturally defined roles from a different time, but that time isn’t a part of my life. Those roles don’t motivate me. The individual matters to me. I don’t keep track of submissiveness of different ethnic groups, but as far as I can tell, no group is more or less submissive than any other. The women I’ve dated have tended to be assertive. Esther was extraordinarily assertive.
Preconceived notion #3
My relationship with Esther made me this way. This idea reverses cause and effect. I was crazy about Esther because I was attracted to Koreans, not the other way around. Even friends I’ve known for decades say this notion. They think I’m always trying to recapture that relationship. Imagine someone thinking this about you. It’s dehumanizing. How would you like it if every time you met a guy, people thought it had to do with a guy you knew over a decade ago? I loved her and those memories will always be a part of me, but that was then and this is now.
Preconceived notion #4
I’m attracted to Asian women because I can’t get white women. This one is hard for me to understand. Here’s what a Filipino woman told me: in cultures Europeans colonized, the colonized people learned to see whites as superior. They felt that white guys in search of a woman would start at the top, with white women, and then work their way down. If they couldn’t get white women, they’d have to settle for non-white women. This thinking makes no sense to me. I certainly don’t feel like I’m settling.
I feel bad when people assume these things about me. I try to understand people and why they would think these things. After writing most of this article I looked up Yellow Fever on Wikipedia, which led to an article on “Stereotypes of East and Southeast Asians,” which listed a number of stereotypes of Asian women. A lot of articles on the web talk about how white men attracted to Asian women are motivated by stereotypes, some rooted in colonialism. I don’t know about other guys, but none of those stereotypes resonated with me. They sound awful to me too, and I don’t subscribe to them.
I don’t want to be or act Asian. I don’t have Asian tattoos. I don’t try to learn more or less about Asian cultures or languages, than any other. I learned some in passing, but I know a lot more French. I like what I’ve learned about Buddhism and Taoism, but the interest is based on the ideas alone. I like western philosophy and science too. I don’t try to impress anyone with my knowledge of Asian cultures.
I am happy with who I am. While it might be more convenient not to date across racial or ethnic boundaries, I don’t feel compelled to change because of social pressure. I think everyone should know who they are, should be comfortable with themselves, and should not feel compelled to be who others or the media tell them to.
I know some women who are attracted to men with certain characteristics. Sometimes they are physical characteristics and sometimes they aren’t. For example, some women (not all!) are attracted to men who are tall, or successful, or musicians, or in positions of power, or athletes, or whatever.
Meeting and getting to know the stories of gay male friends’ paths to acceptance helped me. They told me they didn’t expect to prefer men when they matured. When they did, at first they didn’t want to. Later they realized that is was who they were and they were born. Now they enjoy who they are. The stories of their journeys resonated with me. Like them, I didn’t choose my preference. When I find a woman with whom I am comfortable, it feels great. One thing I wish I had: For whatever challenges society gives gays, at least in New York there are communities that support them.
I could tell stories about how people say or do things that hurt. I don’t mind if people judge me for choices I make or actions based on those choices, but judging me based on who I am doesn’t help anyone. As I’ve matured, I’ve come to view their judgments as signs of just not knowing, because people often condemn what they don’t know.
The word “creepy” gets me. I’ve never heard it about myself, but I hear it about white guys interested in Asian women. I can’t imagine anyone liking to be called creepy. I ask my Asian women friends why they would call a white guy who is attracted to Asian women creepy. Many think he is interested in just one feature about them, which dehumanizes the rest of them. I understand that perspective, especially if they also believe the preconceived notions above, but it is inaccurate with me. I wish I knew how to convey to someone new that I really do see her as a complete person.
I know some women who are attracted to men with certain characteristics. Sometimes they are physical characteristics and sometimes they aren’t. For example, some women (not all!) are attracted to men who are tall, or successful, or musicians, or in positions of power, or athletes, or whatever. Think of such an attraction you or a confidante has. I would doubt you or she forgets about everything else, like personality or whatever. Have people ever over-interpreted your attraction? Do you or she ever feel compelled to conceal it because of how others might react? If so, the connection may increase your understanding of me.
I feel like my preference becomes in other people’s eyes the only thing about me. This happens with white guys I’m casual but not close friends with, like classmates. Their behavior changes when they learn about the preference. I feel like they judge me by something that is really just a part of who I am, like it’s a choice, which it isn’t. Guys constantly rib me about it, asking if or assuming every Asian woman within view is attractive to me. While it feels great to have a relationship with a Korean woman, I don’t want to ask out every single one. I really do like having friendships with ones I can connect with. But then every time I talk to an Asian woman, some people act like I’m in the throes of some uncontrollable fetish.
I am also afraid of the response from Asian women I try to meet. If I tell her about my preference too early, our communication may not be nuanced enough for the details. Tell her too late and she may think I was hiding something. Maybe this is just the usual fear of rejection anyone gets when trying to meet someone new.
People have a hard time handling race. I have two friends, one black one white, in a long term relationship. He says it well: “We have a million things in common, but when people see us, all they see is a black and white couple. They are missing the real beauty of our relationship.”
My Questions to Asiance Readers
Two big questions. Is it hard to believe I can see a woman as an individual and find her attractive for being Asian? Is it hard to believe my preference is something I was born with?
I get asked how many of my girlfriends have been Asian. Do you ask Asian guys the same question? What’s the difference if the guy dating Asians is himself white, Asian, or whatever? Would it be better if I were attracted only to white women or only blond women? What’s the difference? Because I’m white?
Say I really am interested in a woman because of what I’ve gotten to know about her, that I think she’s a good person I want to get to know better. What should I say? How should I approach her? Is it fair to believe we could be happy together?
Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t. Do Asian women who date mostly white guys take flak for it??
For more information and to contact author Jay Spark, please go to his MyAsiance page at http://www.asiancemagazine.com/profile/JaySpark
UPDATE: Jay Spark has written an update on his dating experiences, since this article was published.You can read it here! The 5 year update!
You are always going to find men who behave badly and don’t have manners or the decency to treat Asian women with the respect and consideration that they and all women deserve but in all probability these men are considered freaks by 99.9% of the women they approach.
White men, like myself, are attracted to Asian women because they appeal to our aesthetic sensibilities, but isn’t that how relationships between men and women work in the beginning you have to be attracted to someone enough physically to start a conversation before you can establish that the feeling is mutual and the mix of personality, shared interests, goals, ambitions and all the other commonalities are enough to create any kind of chemistry.
“Your physical and sexual attraction is socially constructed,†says Elaine Kim, Ph.D., professor of Asian American Studies at the University of California at Berkeley, “and it’s hard to escape from that.†If you’re Asian, the way you see yourself and the way you think about beauty, according to Kim, is very different if you went to high school in Monterey Park (a community in Los Angeles County with a large Asian population), where the kids voted most popular, the most beautiful were Asian, versus going to a high school where everyone is blonde-haired and blue-eyed.
Karen, a 32-year-old Korean American who has dated mostly white men, readily admits she’s been affected by her environment. Growing up in a predominantly white town in Southern California, the only Asian males in her life were either related to her (father, brothers, cousins) or were the men at church. “I didn’t see Asian guys in a sexual way when I was growing up,†she says. It didn’t help that the only images she saw of Asian males in the media were of cringe-inducing geeks like Long Duck Dong in the teen flick, Sixteen Candles, or the strangely asexual and decidedly unattractive David Carradine character in the television series, Kung Fu.
“I just don’t find Asian guys attractive,†Karen says. “They’re usually short and slight and don’t seem confident.â€
http://www.audreymagazine.com/Sep2005/Features03.asp
As a white man all i can say is asian women are smoking hot.
I dunno, I just love asian women, made more feminine biologically.
I don’t buy it. This guy obviously can’t get hot white women so he’s trying to justify why he “likes” Asian women.
I’m an Asian woman. I totally agree with you. I know a lot of Asian women with successful and handsome white men, so that “geeky”-cant-get-white-women is simply a generalization. I appreciate your input. What I hate the most though are ASIAN WOMEN who are criticizing the whole fascination with them. Here comes a phenomenon where blonde hair-blue eyed women aren’t the primary choice for some men; this is a chance to extend boundaries of beauty standard, and then these self-hating Asian women dismiss it as “creepy” or “Asian fetish”, whatever derogative label they can attach it with. I think that all of this was galvanized by bitter Asian men who are in fear of losing their Asian women.
p.s. I was totally touched with your puppy crush story.
This country’s media is controlled by white men. White men has been projecting their standard of beauty for years. Most minorities are made to feel 2nd place and don’t measure up to white standard of beauty. From films, TV shows, magazines, schools, book stores and anything in America, white men are suppose to be the “ideal” mate and no one else matters. It is like those homeless white people (and there are plenty) don’t exist.
White men created stereotypes of Asian women because little Asian women fulfill those perverts’ sick sexual fantasies.
White men created negative stereotypes of Asian men to make them less desirable to women in general. If you think all Asian men are geeks with small dicks, then a) you probably have been brainwashed to believe all stereotypes and hypes of white men. b) you obviously never experienced anything with Asian men or you obviously never fucked enough Asian men.
I will laugh when I hear the next white-washed Asian woman with the comment “hey I am colorblind that’s why I am dating a white guy”. Well the truth is regardless what city these women live in, the only men they seem to date interracially are white men even in places where there are 50% minority men walking around. It is like other minority men or Asian men for that matter don’t exist. You can call it preference if you want, but it seems like racism to me. If you are a self-hating and white-washed, at least come out and say it openly – “Yes I hate myself, I want to be white deep down and that’s the real reason I am dating a white man”.
I employed an Asian woman for several years at my store. Her opinion on this subject was that it does not matter what country you are from. She told me that “People are people, no matter where they are from. There are good and bad girls everywhere, so be careful and choose wisely.” She might be right. However, it was what I saw in her that made me choose to date an Asian after my divorce. Like it or not, there is a difference. I dated numerous girls, both hot and not so hot, before I married. None of them come close these women. There is nothing “submissive” about them. They state their opinion and stand up for it. Talk to any man dating an Asian woman, and he will tell you that there is a big difference also. Maybe these women practice what most American women have forgotten. They treat men like men, and do it while being feminine. They define what a woman should be. Maybe American women should be concerned. We now have a choice, and do not have to settle anymore. I know 6 white men who are married to, or dating, Asian women. Talk to any one of them and see them smile about this subject. Then you will know.
Freenow555,
Ironically, you just stereotyped that these Asian women know how to “act” like how women are supposed to act. Therefore, you’re attempting to dictate how women are supposed to act towards men.
Oh, but you say you didn’t marry them because they’re submissive. Both White men and Asian men are stupid as shit.
Hello Andy. I was going to thank you for reading my post, but you clearly did not. I never used the word “act”, nor did I say if I remarried or not. Maybe your obvious hatred towards men has rendered you illiterate. I would never “dictate” how a woman should act. However, I simply wish for women to understand a man that puts his family before himself. Is that so bad? I might sound “old fashioned”, but I have always put the needs of my family before my own. This is what men are expected to do. But when we do it, we are penalized for it with divorce. Then we are penalized again by the legal system which slants serious favor towards the women in terms of parenting time. Most American women have seem to have lost appreciation for us. But once again, don’t take my word for it. Ask men who are with their Asian women. I don’t think you will like the answer. When did a man’s quest for a good wife start qualifying him as being “stupid as sh_t”? Is a bad thing to desire to be in a mutually beneficial realtionship? If you want to blame me for “stereotyping”, it should be because of my views towards most American women. I am finished putting up with their selfish and needy ways. I deserve better. In this “Politically Correct” society that we have become, I still believe in Freedom of Speech.
Let’s be truthful here: There IS a favorable bias for WHITE MALES with Asian women. White men (due to media attention and representation) are viewed as the ideal partner/mate. They are viewed as more physically attractive, and more financially successful.
If racial bias wasn’t an issue, then why is there such a HUGE discrepancy between the number of White men coupled with Asian women to the number of Asian men coupled with White women? Why is that never talked about?
I constantly hear Asian women say, “I can’t go out with Asian guys because they remind me of my brother or my dad.” That is the most ludicrous WHITE-WASHED excuse I’ve ever heard. (I’ve never heard a White woman say, “I can’t go out with White guys because they remind me of my brother or my dad.” Give me a break.)
I have nothing against an Asian woman dating a White guy, but if that Asian woman has ONLY dated White guys and not even dated Asian men, then don’t make stupid comments or excuses trying to cover your White-Washed-ness. Just admit that you’re ashamed of being Asian and we can all get on with our lives.
At least White women who only want to date White men can be respected…because at least they can stand by and be proud of their own ethnicity.
This argument is stupid and futile, because in the end, Asian women (in fact, probably most women of all ethnicities) will probably want to be with White guys.
So congratulations Jay Spark for boasting about your ability to attract Asian women AND White women. That’s great that you have the luxury of doing that and still be seen as the saintly good White man who’ll save the Asian woman from the evil impotence of the little Asian man.
I admit I didn’t read all of the article, but I’m sure I don’t need to. As usual, the article is a self-glorification as opposed to anything worthwhile in dealing with this particular type of interracial relationship. One thing I’ve noticed about many White males who date/marry Black women, is that they often become very aware of racism. There’s a tendency to identify with the ‘Black Race’ as a whole. Thus, they will become very defensive towards racism against Blacks. However, like our good buddy Jay here, the White male who dates/marries Asian women have a tendency to become very defensive over their self-centered preference. It’s all about them and their dating partner or preference as a whole. Realistically, the issue has very little to do with Jay and Esther as much as Jay thinks the spotlight is on him.
One very typical thing here, as we can see from one of the posts, is the bashing of the American/Western woman (aka White woman). As a White male, I hate seeing White women being bashed. It’s the exception to see a White male who favors Asian females ‘not’ bash White females. I believe there’s a growing number of White males who are becoming fed up with this practice. The WM/AF dating/marriage issue will always have problems partly because of the opposite gender related auto-racism. For instance, some Asian women bash Asian men as well.
I had read somewhere that at some University, a number of Asian females proclaimed in essence that Asian males were unworthy of them, and White males made for better partners. Honestly, I can’t fathom such treachery. How would us White males deal with such a thing if this ‘really’ happened to us? Maybe the Asian males are far more emotionally stronger than us. Maybe that’s why we’ve manipulated through our media the supposed “White Standard Of Beauty” theme. We’re scared to death of us losing our desirability status. We want to preserve our status which allows for these unchallenged giddy little self glorifying (in the guise of guilty pleasure confessing) blogs.
I think a number of Whites, including males believe it or not, relate incidences like that of the aforementioned University debacle as an act of being a traitor. And most people have an aversion to traitors. I think that when a number of White males who prefer Asian females fall victim to gold-digging, unfaithfulness, etc. Things will change drastically. I think people who never really liked Asians in general, will develop a respect for the Asian male. I’ve noticed it happening already, especially with White females.
As far as Jay’s preference? My suggestion to Jay is that he’s got a preference, and to go with. What he does is his business. However, if he wants any level of respect, I would recommend keeping quiet about it. There’s no reason to makes excuses for his preference. It just doesn’t matter. In the “Big Picture”, Jay and Esther don’t mean a thing. If Jay can pull away from himself for awhile, maybe he can try to identify with what the Asian race as a whole have to deal with.
My suggestion to Asiance: Remove those idiotic photos of WM/AF couples. Even that AF who’s supposedly tired of White men has one on her blog. How oxymoronical can one get?
I read most of the article and I find it very interesting. I am a hispanic/latino man who is married to an asian (filipina) girl, and there are so many things I want to discuss concerning the issue of white men dating asian women. Before I met so many filipina girls I never realized how racist and self-hating many of these filipina women were. I have heard outright racism, such as, “I want to marry a white man so that my children will have blue eyes”. I even know of many Filipinas who make fun of black men, and other dark skinned people on sight due to their color. There is also the fact that Filipina women and many other Asian women purchase whitening creams so that their appearance will be more European looking, and not to mention plastic surgery to make their noses look more European like instead of being flat. The thing I find so disturbing though is that many of the places I go to where I meet Filipinos, I see these young Filipina women dating or married to white men who are twice their age, many of them are overweight, and could NOT get an American girl half their age unless they gave them a million dollars. I hear many of these Filipinas talk about these old men amongst Filipinas as if they married the most attractive men in the entire world, when in fact, any American women would just say, “yuck, what is she thinking”?. I think however, many people on this site are talking about young asian women dating only young white men, and that too, I think there is a lot of racism on the part of Asian women who do have a lot of self hatred, but maybe just do not want to admit it. Frankly, as a Hispanic man I find it to be kind of weird being married to an Asian women, knowing that many of her Asian friends prefer white men.
Being a hispanic/latino man I have found similar ideas floating around some Latina women who only date white men, including some of my relatives. I find this odd too, there are quite a few latinas who demonstrate this same self hatred, and feel that marrying a white man is ideal. Many of these women I find it so annoying that they would say race have nothing to do with it, when in fact they date only one race, which is white, it seems that race has everything to do with it. Me, myself, before I got married, I think that I found Asian women, and Latina women to be very attractive, but in reality I would be open to date and or marry a girl from any race. Well these are just my thoughts.
What kind of things about a woman’s /personality/, attracts you to her though? Regardless of race?
Physically, I’m attracted to Arab guys. It could be due to the influence of watching Star Trek:DS9, with the cute Dr.Bashir played by the deliciously handsome Alexander Siddig. I’ve always had a thing for warm skin tones, especially after I moved up to yee old slushy Frozen North, and I like their hair. I’m very proud of how dark and strong mine is, but their hair looks so soft and earthy! …and their eyes usually look so warm!
I definitely wouldn’t have a relationship based on physical features though! Life is short, why not multi-task and find someone physically, intellectually, and emotionally attractive to one? In terms of personality, I love guys who are passionately idealistic and compassionate. In this department, Dr.Bashir fits, but Dr.McCoy (who also have bright blue eyes), wins. I actually get turned OFF by pale complexion, unless the rose beneath it can be seen. It’s just the way I’m wired. Due to McCoy’s personality, I ended up being attracted to the way /McCoy/ looks, as well.
PS: Asian Men and Black Women reading this article, if you are feeling downed by mainstream culture, since mainstream media has indeed shafted both groups *though sometimes I want to trade places after being harassed at least a hundred times by rude and/or creepy men*, tune into the original Star Trek! Attend the cons! Though Sulu is not my type, lots of women found him sexy! Maybe I would have in another setting, but I was too distracted by the brilliant Lt Uhura, in one episode, it was said that she has a spirit/will equal to Captain Kirk!
There is something wrong with disrespecting the mutual needs and wants of women. There is something unhealthy in wanting available, someone who would settle for less than fair. …and newsflash, Asian women, like American women, like their men, have needs as well. If you are taking advantage of someone, you are a creep, and I would root for her to get what she needs and get gone. In HK, some men are marrying women from mainland since they can’t keep up with the women. The mainland women get their citizenship, collects enough money from their jobs, and if the men doesn’t shape up, they get dump. I cheer for my mainland sisters. Some creeps try to control their wives, sabotage them, make her stay too dependent to get away when she wants to. Such things will change, the march is on, and more capable women are reaching out to those who couldn’t to get them away from being dependent on the likes of you.
…and Feminine, it’s such a loaded word, either way, I frown upon any man who tries to define my gender. Guys who love Asian Women because we are so ‘feminine’ (what do they mean by that?), creeps me out. It’s actually on my list of DISqualification, along with,
– perchance for misogynist porn (porn where instead of two people having sex and getting off, it’s the man humiliating or hurting the woman)
– in possession of that Mary Jane action figure where she’s handwashing Spidey’s clothes while wearing a pearl necklace
– in possession of Maximum magazines that ‘jokes’ about raping drunken women
– has called a woman a slut or otherwise tried to impose his view of morality upon her
– won’t shut up about his ex, in good and especially bad ways
– thinks that he’s entitled to being accepted and that no requires an explanation
– in possession of that book or film, Memoirs of a Geisha
– assume in anyway that I should be grateful to be ‘picked’ by him
– sees nothing wrong with having sex with a women who doesn’t want it (prostitute use)
– leering at girls half his age
– continue to leer at women who are now looking uncomfortable
– bible-thumps
– touches a woman’s body when she ignores him, if she’s ignoring your words and walking away, that’s a ‘fuck off’ message
etc, etc
– Georgia Lam
I am black and I am extremely atrracted to asian women.I just realized it last year.Im 27 yrs old and black.I dated 1 asian girl and I can’t wait to date another.The fact is from my prospective that most asian women(or any womanfor that matter) are White-washed which PG broke down in detail.The funniest thing ever is when White men and asian women both deny the white wash as if they had an unspoken agreement to deny submissiveness(PRICELESS)I find right here in NYC that asian chicks are scared for the most part of black men.The asian chick I dated PInay even told me her parents raised her back in her country that Black is Evil and Whiteman is like their HOLY GRAIL.I feel bad for asian men.But Lets keep it real White men and Women will always be glorified in this world we live. PG getsthe $60,000.LOL!!
While you and I know that Mr. Spark benefits from White privilege, the message he is trying to convey is his perceived “unique relationship” within his sphere of Japanese/Korean women he’s been in contact with. This is very common. So while we can discuss the history of Asian female exploitation from the colonial years to modern media manipulations that benefit those like Mr. Spark, he’s still stuck on his perceived ‘unique’ relationships. His general motivation is to dismember himself from this having anything to do with being a White issue.
Let’s face it, unlike some other interracial relationships, the worse thing Mr. Spark has to deal with is a bit of ribbing from friends. But…at times the issue of Asian female exploitation will cause some (in the guise of bringing about understanding) to want to shift the spotlight over to themselves instead of looking at the ‘real issues’ where the spotlight should be.
When I saw this i knew i had to post it. Please give me your thoughts:
http://www.fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-socgen-interrelation10.html
wow, all i ever see are asian women hating asian men. like that one chick that thinks that asian chicks were brain washed by asian guys to try and distort the image received by these asian women. Are you kidding me woman? Go marry your white guy, just stop talkin shit about us asian men like you have a mental problem.
we all no you white boys are totall losers with no dicks who cant compete with other white boys so u go for the asian whore…
I live in a mixed-race, middle-class neighborhood in Baltimore County, MD with mostly whites and Asians, mostly Koreans. I live across from a high school. I see Asian American AND European American (white) girls who dress like bums, are fat, use curse words, smoke, have short hair, use highlights, get their nails done, and talk about their weekend plans of mayhem. I see Asian American girls who are skinny with long natural hair, dress nicely, speak decently, do not smoke, do not get their nails done, and talk about getting their homework done so that they can help their families at their family businesses all weekend. I also see probably every combination in between. I see them holding hands with Asian-, European- and African American boys; never Hispanic boys. I see the SAME combinations for the European American girls, including helping their families on weekends and planning for college. As for the grown women around here, I see both European- and Asian American women with huge gas-guzzling SUVs, emaculate houses and yards, wearing all the latest trends, etc. I see both Asian- and European- American women grumbling with their spouses in public. So I think you are all stereotyping. Most of you on here thus far seem to be comparing upper-class Asian women “fresh” from Asia to American women who could be classified as “white trash.” You’re missing all the different types of people in between. Here’s a little guessing game for you: I am slender with very long dark hair but have dyed it in the past, have two college degrees, graduating with a 3.8 GPA, and work from home, don’t smoke, drink only very occasionally, I have never had my nails done, trim my own hair, dress prettily, try not to curse, am not married (divorced) or living with anyone, and have my own my middle-class home and Ford Taurus SEL car PAID FOR with no help from the ex at all. I cut my own grass and change my own oil, do my own home repairs, have a motorcycle license, and like to sew, do crafts, and decorate amongst other things. I’m 35 with two kids from a previous marriage, and in the last 2 years I have won all 5 Hawaiian Tropic beauty pageants that I have entered, beating 20-something year olds, most of them blonde. People say I have an exotic look about me. What am I?? Surprise, I’m white!! (This is not an advertisement; just trying to make a point). As far as mating/sexual preference: I had my hair dyed blonde before, and mostly Asian men seemed to really like me, and Asian women seemed jealous of me. As a natural brunette, the Asian men don’t really give me a second look, either do Asian women, but men of all the other races do, espcially African Americans and Hispanics, and mostly other white women are now the ones who give me jealous looks. I’m sorry if this might sound stuck up, but again, this is just what I personally observe on this topic. I don’t understand women who uglify themselves by getting fat and cutting their hair short, either. I also don’t understand why Most European American men keep their hair long when they’re bald on top, have beer bellies, live like pigs, smoke in the house, think beards are attractive, and supposedly think about sex every so-many seconds but still would rather watch football than have it; but then again, I bet there are Asian American men who are like this too, now. Sorry so long.
Just another note (will try to keep it short): I think a lot of you on here are pushing this racism card too much and actually sound prejudice yourselves, but that’s your choice, and you are entitled to it. People have instinctive preferences. Is it racist or prejudice to hire only black people to be your real estate agent, laywer, doctor, etc. if you are black? Is it racist to go to restaurants only owned by Greeks if you are Greek? I tend to disagree. Maybe you just like Greek food. Think about this: Assuming you get along well with your relatives, whose life would you save if you could only save one: The life of your mother, father, brother, or sister OR the life of your friend (ethnicity aside)? More than likely you would choose your relative. People are instinctively programmed, maybe even before birth, to support the survival of one’s own kind; therefore, it seems logical to want to support your own race/ethnicity, because it is closer to being family to you than other races. However, sexual preference seems to override the instinct of family survival. We instinctively are attracted to individuals whom we think will produce the most ideal offspring in our opinion. We might prefer intelligence over looks or have certain physical characteristics that we find appealing. So if a Filipino woman wants her kids to have blue eyes, so what? I think they would look really beautiful, like an African American with green eyes….wow! People also, at some point or another, have a curiosity about other people who are different than they are and romanticize the nature of that other person. After experiencing it, they can be either disappointed, indifferent, or elated. Maybe the person who wrote this article just finds the facial features of Asian women to be exotic. Maybe when he was a baby, his mother used to play with him with a set of Asian-looking finger puppets. Who knows, who cares, lol. That’s his preference, and he’s entitled to it. Also, if the media really played such a big part in deciding what is supposed to be beautiful, then how are people who aren’t tall with blonde hair and blues eyes reproducing, lol? Get over it, everybody.
http://www.fiyastarter.com/fs-pages/fs-socgen-interrelation10.ht
Eugene, the link above that you provided is pretty hilarious. It points out how funny and idiotic prejudice people can be. I don’t think it matters who people fall in love with or what they’re attracted to as long as they are happy. There’s good and bad in everything. The saying goes, “one bad apple spoils the bunch,” and that might be true in a prejudice person’s eyes, but it’s not reality in all situations. In other words, it would be easy for me to judge all Hispanics by my ex-step-father who physically abused my mother, but I know better. Back to the article, I thought it was a good laugh. I don’t think that all Hispanic women have huge, firm breasts and rear ends. They come on all shapes and sizes and facial features. There are women of all races who have huge, firm breasts and rear ends. I don’t think that all African American woman get angry when they see a black man with a white woman. Just of note, my ex husband was white, and so am I. My fiance is Greek and Italian – basically white. So does this mean that I am prejudice against all other races because I have a visual preference for white men? I actually have dated black, Hispanic, and Jewish men, and I prefer white men BECAUSE I can relate to them more than I can to the others; we have more in common, more to talk about, more similarities. But these things are important to everyone. Sometimes people think that differences are more intriguing than familiarity, and I don’t see anything wrong with that, either. I find Asian men actually very physically attractive; they’re usually slender and have high cheek bones and beautiful smiles. I just seem to get along better with white men, who I also find usually very physically attractive. Come to think of it, I think there are sexy guys of all races (and ugly ones, too, lol).
My father is prejudice FOR white people, he says. I hope this is just his natural instincts of family/likeness support coming through. Unfortunately he lives all by himself because he’s ruled out so many women as potential partners because of what he calls his moral responsibility to his own race. He likewise thinks that black people, etc. should support their own races. I don’t think anyone has any obligation to this, although it does usually come instintively, but what about happiness? I hope his moral responsibility keeps him good company at night, poor guy. Luckily in this regard, I was raised by my mother. I didn’t start realizing that those people are black, those people are Asian or those people are like us until I was in my late teens…when I moved in with my dad.
It’s easy to stand back and pretend to play the “politically correct card” and try to come off as non-racist and understanding of all cultures when as a White man you are automatically put at the top of the “preference chart.”
Try living in the shoes of a non-white minority and see what it feels like not having it so easy to court and date any woman (regardless of race). Try to see how it feels like when White women AND Asian women turn you down because you are NOT A WHITE GUY.
So shut up about it not being a race issue—it IS about race.
We all know people have preferences. We all know that there’s nothing wrong with interracial relationships. One of the problems with this article is just what you’re complaining about. The author chose to write this blog in an Asian Female oriented website. If you will observe, in possibly every blog on this website they post a picture of a White man and Asian woman. This is ‘racist’ in itself. Just what you’re complaining about. It’s a subtle propaganda method that’s used frequently in many White male/Asian female oriented websites. Because of these various methods of perpetuating this propaganda, there’s what’s referred to as a ‘sub-culture’ of White males who will only consider Asian females, and vice-versa. It’s certainly not the majority on either end. But it’s significant enough to sound an alarm. I think schools should educate children to be weary of these types of websites. The author, if in fact he has nothing to feel guilty about, should not make issue of his preference. Either that, or post a thread or blog at an Asian oriented forum like Model Minority or Fighting44s. Rather than attempting to present his case where it theoretically would be needed, if indeed he has a case, he creates a blog at a website like this where he can gain a couple of like-minded Asian females to join his MySpace site.
The photographs that this website uses serve the purpose of both mental suggestion to White males and Asian females; and they’re also a subtle defiance against their ethnicity. On a side note, I think putting a hooked nose White man with an Asian women looks ridiculous. But of course, that’s beside the point. While it’s nice that you don’t have any hang-ups on this issue, don’t assume your take on the issue is the all encompassing fact. You’re overlooking far too many discrepancies.
Well this is to you mr.lol: this is why we don’t like asian men because asian men regard asian women as mental just like you stated. I am chinese and I have encountered horrible relationships with asian men. Asian men don’t have respect for women and very materialistic. They rarely stand up for themselves, have no strong character, too obedient to parents, often are very manipulative as well. Not all asian men are like that but majority are and by judging your sentence mr.lol certainly you fall into that category.
Just like I said before,
Asian women date White men to gain upward social mobility. That’s all there is to it.
But let me tell you this, none of you can ever ease what you truly are even though you slather on gallons and gallons of whitening lotions, go under the eyelid surgery to get double eyelids like most white people, bleach their hair and act “all-American.”
This whole article to me is just a self-glorifying diatribe about how great it is to be white and male. The whole world is your playground and all the women in it are your “toys.”
Did I read that write? “Too obedient to parents”?
To be honest, I don’t know any Asian women. However, I had become somewhat interested in the “WM/AF phenomenon” via various forums where the topic came up. Looking at the issue subjectively, I can see some dirty pool being played by ‘some’ White males and ‘some’ Asian females. I say ‘some’ Asian females to eliminate the obvious majority who prefer Asian males, and those who are with White males without any prior targeting. As far as dirty pool; some examples, if a ‘White’ woman has extra pounds, she’s ‘fat’. However, the White male with extra pounds will promote himself as ‘big’, ‘big-boned’, ‘husky’, etc. They will say the White woman ages ages faster, but the White man will say he is ‘distinguished’. The White woman is aggressive-pushy, whereas the White man is aggressive-heroic, etc. The White male seems to have a tendency to take the assumed negative traits associated with being White, and dump them all on the White woman.
What some Asian females seem to do is use lame excuses like Asian men are controlling, chauvinistic, sexist, racist, too traditional, etc. In other words, take all the assumed negative traits associated with being Asian, and dumping them all on Asian men (Asian men being traditional = domineering, Asian women being traditional = pure in an exotic way).
“If racial bias wasn’t an issue, then why is there such a HUGE discrepancy between the number of White men coupled with Asian women to the number of Asian men coupled with White women?”
White women are racist.
“At least White women who only want to date White men can be respected…because at least they can stand by and be proud of their own ethnicity.”
Whiteness is not ethnicity. It is skin color and anyone who prefers someone of a particular skin color are racists. Therefore white women who dont date non-whites solely because of skin color are racists.
The article and the comments that follow after it are interesting. I am an asian female and I have lived in places in Ontario where I was a minority and in places where I was a majority, I love my heritage and I love characteristics that other cultures hold as well. I think everyone is stereotyping and generalizing each race and gender too much here. Of course you will meet the bad groups wherever you are in the world, but come on it doesn’t mean that we are all like that. I think what the author of this article meant to get across is that he is just physically attracted to Asians and that he wants other people to stop looking down on him for his personal preference. It doesn’t mean that he hates one or the other and neither should any of you. Yeah maybe he should have cut down his article a bit in order to minimize the self glorifying image that it glows with, but this article is an opinion piece and people tend to get carried away which is understandable. The places and ways we are brought up, and the experiences we’ve had defines us so I can see why there is so much animosity and disagreeance. Personally, if you are an asshole then I won’t like you regardless of your ethnicity. I’m a fan of all well mannered men 😉
News flash to all you people who say “Asian women” and then say “American women.” If you live in America, then you are American. Being white doesn’t give you the free pass to being American. You could be white and have a different nationality, just like everyone else. It seems like if you are a minority you’re never going to be seen as an American, just a foreigner.
I lived in colonial HK until I was 13 and admitted that I used to think that the white race is of a higher race. The whole Asia from india to japan is like that. Then I went to Canada and realized that some of them have macaroni and cheese for dinner in dirty boxers instead of having high tea in suits and earning millions of dollars like the ones in HK. Having lived in a predominantly white community for almost 2 years now, I am finding white faces boring and am finding the features which I used to dislike pretty – Slanty eyes, flat faces, dark skin. I can understand why North Americans like Asians. Whatever you haven’t seen much is exotic.
Let us zoom out. White men AND women are favoured in asia, africa.. Asian women are favoured in europe, north america.. Africans are favoured in at least Canada.. middle eastern and indians – try living overseas and return to your country.. Asian men, stop cursing white men and start earning more money and education before returning to asia.
Isn’t that great? There are so many different preferences in our world and there is a market for everyone! For me, I am a British Canadian Chinese (Hong Kong look) with big eyes, tall nose, european figure, and was borned a good girl, so my market is Asia (25 is already old tho)! My half sis has smaller eyes, fair skin, flat face, and acts like an only child so she is staying in North America.
Canada is an awesome multi-cultural country. We date whoever we are attracted to and noone complaints. You guys shouldn’t too b/c our world will only go forward. Most ppl in cities will be mixed one day and by 2050, 90% of the world population will live in cities. FREE LOVE!
It’s me, white guy… I’m here to pick up all you hot asian women, to steal you away from the all the horrors of the asian men. Yeah, right. I’ve been single for almost 39 years now, and I met an asian woman yesterday so I was trying to search for things about asian women, and here I find some stupid assertion that white guys have it easy. lol Too funny. Maybe if you’re just talking about very successful white guys, but then I’m thinking that goes for very successful people in general. Let’s not forget about white trash. Do you really want to generalize or think that some redneck is better than a successful asian guy just because the redneck is white? That the redneck has a better chance of getting some hot white or asian woman because he is white, is a really funny thought. It doesn’t matter what race you are, it’s hard to find a good woman, especially if you’re as picky as I am. And I don’t buy that any race is at a significant disadvantage, you may need to try a little harder, or be little more persistent to get her or overcome whatever fears she has, but if she’s worth it…
I’m a White guy myself. Normally I react fairly strongly to many of the responses by other White males, but I do agree with some of your statements. If you look at the issue globally, the vast majority of Asian women do prefer Asian men. And just like here in the States, the chances of an Asian man ‘getting’ the woman in an Asian country is multiplied when they’re better looking, wealthier, etc. So, in many cases, about any White guy wouldn’t have a chance. This is natural. In a perfect world, any race or ethnicity would embrace a certain amount of outside marriages, even when it’s their own women marrying ‘out’. It might may even be seen as an honor. However, since it’s ‘not’ a perfect world, there will always be individuals, male and/or female, who don’t believe their racial opposite gender, or race as a whole, should ‘ever’ marry outside of their own race. But let’s face it; if any race historically has practiced a form of interracial marriage prevention amongst our women, it’s our White race. And this practice carried over from Europe into the U.S., and has weaved it’s way into a more global effect.
So first and foremost, the general idea was always to keep Asian men from our own (White) women. Now, here in the U.S., with the ‘sub-culture’ of White men who have taken to Asian women, and the number of Asian women who have married White men, it’s apparent that we even attempt to sway their very own women away from them. All we have to do is look at the practices of our media. This is not to say our media is always successful. You still see far more Asian women with Asian men in the U.S. That may never change. However, if even just a few Asian women are being controlled by our western stereotypes of Asian men, then that’s a few too many. This is on ‘us’. This practice is making ‘us’ look bad. It’s bad enough that we’ve brainwashed our own White women to avoid Asian men. But to try and work their own women against them is extremely ‘low’ (however successful or not this has proven).
My perception of the author of this blog is that the only stereotype he’s worried about is one that is developing over White men having a fetish for Asian women. I doubt, however that he suffers from any substantial persecution. As far as the slanderous media stereotyping of Asian men; it would appear that he’s perfectly content with it’s continuance.
Hey guy,
To some extent,I agree with you.lol
You don’t like the words “fetish” or “fever” which you think are negative,right?
Actually,for a long time I questioned whether my attraction to them was only a fetish or was it a genuine attraction to them. I have thought of the original reason why I began to find asian women attractive and that reason is: they have friendly and polite personalities and they treat other people kindly. Back in 1998 I was stationed in Hawaii and for the first time I asked an asian woman out on a date. She said no, but I was impressed by the way she turned me down. She was patient and had a short conversation with me, even though she was not interested in me at all. She smiled in a friendly way and politely turned me down for a date and informed me that she was not interested in dating me. That blew me away in a good way. I have never been let down so easily by any female before. It didn’t feel like a rejection at all and I walked away thinking: “that was a nice woman.â€
I have met some asian women who were not as nice as others, but even they were polite to me at least. I have concluded that my attraction to asian women is based on their general nice personalities and it is not a fetish or based on anything sexual. Although I must admit that I love the “almond†shape of their eyes.
And that’s why now I am tending to dating site like cncupid dot com/photo/romance to seek my romance with Asian lady.I don’t know whether my choice is right,just say good luck to me! lol
In the year 2500, everyone on the earth will have be of some asian descent…get over it! You hate being Asian,,,so obvious.
To Sun Fan – So by telling the truth is because I hate being Asian? So by pointing the inequalities in this society is because I don’t like myself? Where did you get that idea? Why don’t you bring some facts to the discussion vs. trying to label people. Just FYI, I am damn proud of my Asian features and I wish more Asian Americans would feel the same. Another FYI, no it is not ok to be treated different because of your skin color.
Some people really need to educate themselves about the society we live in.
First of all, people should read this article on white privilege and get a clue about people that actually “get it” about race relations in this country: http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2005-01/06wise.cfm
Second of all, I am very sick of people who keep saying love is blind. Bullshit. Love is not blind. If anything, love is about skin color. White men have created a system that favors them in many ways (read the article above). The systematic brainwashing has affected many people throughout the world through the entity known as Hollywood.
Ask yourself this question:
1. When are all the leading men in romantic movies white men?
2. Why when there is an interracial relationship on the big screen 98% of the time the men is white while the women is an minority? This is especially true for WM/AF. You just don’t see too many AM/WF.
3. There are a TON of BM/WF relationships in real life. How come we never see them on the big screen? Why? Cause white men don’t want to see them there.
4. Why do white people feel the need to stereotype people of other races? I hear comments like Asian men are like this or that etc. from both white people and now white washed AFs. Do some people really believe entire race of men or women behave certain way?
5. Why is Hollywood stealing good Asian movies and remake them with white faces (The Departed is a good example even through the director gave NO CREDIT to Andy LAU who made the original HK movie). Is White people that close minded they only want to see white faces? Do white people think Asian can’t be entertainers and they can’t act?
6. If it weren’t for Spike Lee, black men would still be pimps and gangsters on TV.
7. Only white people can preach COLOR BLINDNESS. For minority people, race and skin color is a constant reminder day in and day out. Asians are reminded when people ask them “where are you from? No, I mean where you really from?” despite the fact some Asians been here 6+ generations.
8. Do white people believe AMs can’t be news casters? Why are only AFs news casters and not BFs or HFs? Why? Because white men find AFs exotic.
9. Why are some AMs angry for this WM/AF union? Because many of these unions are based on negative things. There have been a ton of debate on this. Many of these relationships are based on stereotypes by both WMs and AFs. If AFs are so colorblind, why are they dating WMs only when they date outside their race? Bottom line, many of these relationships are there not because they are colorblind. Rather, it is because they are based on good old racism. Here is a good article written on why some AMs are angry: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/angryasianmen.html
10. Why is every time when People’s Magazine do 50 most beautiful people in the world 48 of them are white? Ok maybe not 48 but you get what I mean. There will be a few token minorities here and there. Do these people actually believe white people are the most beautiful only? Oh yea, they do. haha. Do people are that ignorant and they think there are no other beautiful people in the world other than white?
There are a ton more examples of this everywhere. White men has stacked everything in the western society in his favor. Is it any wonder some clueless minority women want to climb the social ladder by dating some white men? Is this what America suppose to be? Dating on the color of the skin? Even though all we see are white faces on TV most of the time, 1/3 of this country are minorities. When society is full of inequalities, there will be revolution at some point. America is changing slowly, but it is not changing fast enough for minorities living in this era.
A society who constantly try to stereotype certain people certain way will only have long term problems. This is only the beginning. This debate is already causing many gender issues within the Asian American community. AFs who have turned their backs on the community will have to deal with many long term consequences. That will be for another discussion.
Doesn’t anybody find it strange that on a website supposedly devoted to Asian Women you have SO MANY WHITE DUDES POSTING HERE???
Do white men normally go around to websites catering to minorities? What is drawing them here?
Gee, could it be the infamous ASIAN FETISH at work?
Survey says….YES.
K. I’m getting sick and tired of the generalizations I’ve been hearing from you bitter little salts. American film is too white-dominated? Um. Hello? Do you know what America is? It’s a white society. Just how China is a Chinese society. Or how Mexico is a Mexican society. And so on. We base our media and all of that stuff the way we see it. It’s typical everywhere.
Yes, America becomes more culturally diverse every day. But you know what? We’re still a white society. Whites were in America first (not counting the Natives, of course). Therefore the majoirty of our media, in movies or whatever, are going to be “white”-oriented.
Racism? Hardly. It’s entirely typical. Have you ever gone to a place like Korea or China and watched the TV shows that originated from there? How many white people do you see in those shows and movies? None, based on my experience thus far. That’s a whole lot less than what we at least represent in Hollywood movies. And foreign movies are given recognition all the time in North America. If they weren’t, then how the Hell would people know about flicks as Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, Hero, House of Flying Daggers, Sympathy for Mister Vengeance, Audition, Old Boy, Zatoichi, Ichi the Killer, and a huge bevy of others? The movie networks play Asian flicks all the time. Asian movies are clearly not given as much recognition as Hollywood, but NO ****ING DUH, THAT’S BECAUSE IT’S OUR CREATION AND CULTURE!
You make it sound as if you guys NEVER get any girls because of white people anymore. Once again, SHUT UP. I see Asian girls all the time with Asian men. Some really damn pretty ones. Asian women almost seem generally more comfortable with Asians. All of a sudden a few white boys start taking an interest in some nice Asian girls, and you’re throwing your arms up in the air saying we’re stealing all your women away.
And YES, I have seen Asian males with white females! HO HO! Maybe those guys did what you guys couldn’t do and learnt to grow some balls to ask them out! They went out and put in some effort while all of you do is sit around and complain all the time, and they got something out of it.
I also love how you all make it sound like only white people are capable of racism. Take a look at your own culture. Aside from Russians, Asian cultures are some of the most ethnocentric and discriminating cultures. What’s an Asian guy in America? Just some Asian guy in America. Sure, his skin colour may jump-start stereotypes and generalizations in a lot of peoples’ heads. Everyone has to live with that. You think white people have absolutely no feeling about being white? You think it’s just something we take for granted and cast aside? No. We’re very much aware of what being white means. And we’re aware of the stereotypes everyone else is just as likely to associate with us. But in America, the general notion we try to work towards is that a display of racism is completely unacceptable.
Not nearly as true in a place like China. In China, open discrimination and racism is very much tolerated, if not encouraged. I’m white. A couple summers ago before starting university, I went on a trip to China for a month. And I can tell you that your concepts of “racism” in America is luxury compared to what I dealt with. I’m not saying that what I dealt with was so sad and all bad and boo-hoo and I never should have gone. Because it was a great trip. It was wonderful. And there were a lot of positives to it. Being able to experience and learn about a different culture while staying in a world entirely different from mine… it’s a wonderful feeling to me. But as much good as there was, my race was constantly openly brought to attention. Sometimes it would be in a positive way, which I would never mind. I liked the positive attention from the girls and other people who held genuine interest in my roots, which I always openly discussed. But my skin also drew a lot of negative attention. I had been openly called out, ragged on, singled out, ignored, stared at, and given just about every dirty look conceivable. I ended up in a fight at a restaurant when someone started yelling at me and hit me in the face because I took out a GORGEOUS Chinese girl with me. It came out of nowhere, it was fully uncalled for, I never met the man before, I never addressed him, I never intentionally offended him in any way. That’s just what I got.
You can complain about racism in America all you want, but have you ever been punched in the face for being Asian? How often will people openly be racist to you and call you out in a public area? I’m sure it’s happened to a lot of people before, don’t get me wrong. But based on what I’ve seen, it happens nowhere near the level of frequency or to the same extreme most of the time.
Say that I didn’t go through the same thing or that I don’t know what I’m talking about. But something tells me that I’ve already been the victim of discrimation on a much higher level than most people here who go around claiming that Asian women date white men beacuse of racism.
Really. Racism? What about attraction? What about love? What about being two perfectly normal human beings and doing what we do? Why the Hell does it even have to do about anyone’s race?
And unlike a lot of you, just because I experienced discrimination doesn’t mean I’m going to start holding it against the entire race. My roommates at university this year are both Chinese. Unlike how you hold bitterness towards every white boy because of the actions of few, I do not associate my roommates at all with those that gave me grief for being white. Not one bit. And as far as Asian women go, I still find them absolutely gorgeous (the good-looking ones anyway) despite the predicament that getting involved with one got me in. I’m not changing my dating patterns, or my belief patterns, just because I had a bit of sand kicked in my face.
Get over yourselves. Stop making these baseless and empty assumptions against us. With your behavior, you’re fully promoting the racism you claim to stand so strongly against. The next time you see a white guy with an Asian girl, try to consider the possibility that they’re together because of love, not for some sort of conspiracy to put Asian men in a bad light.
You’re not fooling me, and you’re not fooling many others who may visit this site. First off, I know this is the world wide net and all but where do you suppose many of these men you are addressing reside (in reference to your experience in China)? I mean, let’s be a little bit realistique here (if only for a fleeting moment). Did any of them say they lived in China? I’m half Russian. Your incident in the restaurant in China would be similar to you complaining to me about something happening to you in a restaurant in Moscow. I think it’s safe to assume the majority of us here are from the U.S. This being so, what gives you the idea that an American of Asian decent has no right to demand absolute equality…to a T? Just because it’s a White dominated society? Our White dominated society is not a product of constitutional law, and is subject to change at any time. The fact is…we take measures in avoiding this happening. We take calculated measures in creating division between Asian American men, and Asian American women for instance (as was wisely pointed out in another page on this site by a different poster). Your view on cinema is quite ‘warped’ as well. The intention of Hollywood is to engulf or drown out other cinematic industries. Very similar to a mega-corporation. Mexico once had a fairly thriving movie industry which has been reduced considerably due to Hollywood. It’s in the works for Hollywood to create a stronger presence in Korea which may possibly drown out their movie industry which for a time had been gaining cult popularity in the U.S. Don’t you think that when viewing creative works like that of Kurusowa that Japan would have a thriving movie industry? Japan is infiltrated with Hollywood. Japanese movies have little to no popularity in the U.S. save some Art Movie Houses and the few you’ll find in the ‘foreign’ section of a DVD store. Some Chinese movies made it into ‘mainstream’ American cinema, and what happened? We began to exploit the actresses. As far as Japanese pop-art, what tends to thrive is anime which often avoids any real racial distinction because their characters are usually mutant or alien.
You used another common trick to cover up principles of White dominion: Find models to point to. Point to various Asian men with White women. In many cases the White person will use people they know as an example. They’ll state that because they may not be particularly vocal on racial issues, that this is how an Asian American male should be or act like. In your case, you seem to possibly be using examples of people you don’t even know and creating a hypothesis that they refrain from Asian American activist issues because they have a White wife or girlfriend. In other words, an Asian American male would never protest White dominion if they had a White girlfriend. So in your viewpoint; and unfortunately some of the Asian females at this site, a successful married Asian male or one who actively dates would have no concern for Asian American issues that work against the Asian American community via White dominance.
Wow. Try reading my post again, because you missed the point by a long-shot.
My point about racism in China has to do with what Asian Americans consider racism. They think that they’re constantly the subject of severe racism because of the colour of their skin. Nothing to do with where they come from. They talk as if America and white people are the most racist people on the planet. So I point out just how racist the people of their own roots are, so maybe they should look at the facts before spouting off at the mouth (as should you). Yes, complaining what happened in China is like complaining to you about Moscow, and that’s exactly my point when I said that, good job genius.
America is not nearly as racist as so much of the rest of the world. Do people who complain about racism in America really know what racism is? Other countries have wars, massacres, slaughters, and incredible tragedies on incredibly large-scale bases simply over racism. Racism in America is present, I’m not saying it’s a fantasy. It’s very much reality. But dating someone of another race shouldn’t have to do a damn thing with it. People should not be slapping on “racism” to every interracial relationship.
And it is a white-dominant society, simple as that. Not constitutionally written? What makes you think that makes any difference? You think it’s all going to change to accomodate everyone, just like that? Every nation in the world is dominated this way. Canada and the United States are two of the most multicultural nations in the world, but they are still dominant by white people, those who shaped North America in the beginning (once again, forgetting the Natives).
You’re not fooling anyone with your baseless assumptions and generalizations, like saying that I’m drawing on examples I don’t know, such as with interracial couples. Yes, I have seen it, and YES I do know people in these relationships, therefore your assumption is wrong and your credibility in everything you’ve said is lost. And even if I didn’t know them personally, it doesn’t take a master psychologist to figure out that two people holding hands down the street are a couple.
And my suggestion to Asian men had nothing to do with telling them to forget about racism in the world and society and blah blah blah. What I said was that none of them are going to get a girl sitting at their computers complaining about it. Do people get girls by sitting around complaining about why they can’t get girls? Not bloody likely. This goes for anyone over any girl. You’re not going to get her moping about, you have to put in effort, which is what everybody here with these complaints needs to do more of.
Anyway the point of my post had to do with particular Asian men too easy to jump the gun and slander WM/AF couples. They treat them as a source of utter negativity and filth. They say that they only exist because of racism, or some sort of fetish. They say the man is always sick, perverted, ugly, undesirable to women of his own race, and has a raging “yellow fever”. They say the women are disrespectful towards their own race and are in it only for the green card. They don’t think for a second that these relationships are just what they are, relationships.
I’m not trying to fool anybody. I’m standing against the negative connotations and stereotypes which interracial couples are constantly labelled with, especially AM/WF relationships. That’s it. That’s my point. If you see me with an Asian woman, it’s out of attraction, not some sort of twisted and warped fetish or some conspiracy to hurt the Asian man’s “game”.
Okay you want to get global? Fine! By the way, you weren’t by any chance an English teacher in China were you? The way you’re telling people you don’t know how to live could certainly give someone this impression. Believe it or not, I do know exactly what you mean. I understand your whole issue with overseas racism, and you feel you’ve been victimized and can play Mr. teacher because after all, ‘you’ve experienced it first hand, etc., etc., excederin! Let’s say you went to Japan, and someone slugged you in a restaurant because you were with a Japanese girl. First of all, Japan caters to Whites in many ways. When seeking overseas English teachers, they choose Whites over Asian Americans. White male models are displayed all over trendy areas of Tokyo. Even back in World War II, comfort girls (prostitutes) were provided for American soldiers (very unfortunate). If you got slugged, it would be because a local Japanese male got sick of seeing society cater to foreign White guys coming into their country to teach English (and many cases don’t even speak Japanese), and doing things like spreading booklets for Japanese girls on how to pick up on White guys. It wouldn’t be because of a racist society. I would say this may have something to do with you getting slugged in China. Maybe China is not quite like Japan in this regard, and maybe there are those there who don’t want it to happen (and I can’t blame them). If this happened in Korea, I would tell you maybe it had something to do with the sexist paraphernalia English teachers were spreading around on how to seduce Korean girls that pissed off a bunch of Korean males who sent some White English teachers running back home with their tales between their legs. However…..here in the US of A….our society does have a racist bent towards Asian males. Our society does dictate a negative bent towards Asian males in the minds of our American society. This is something we know nothing about experience wise. ‘You’ have absolutely ‘nothing’ to teach here! You want to ‘completely avoid’ the root of the problem, and play the almighty instructor!
Of course you don’t think WM/AF IRs are racist. You want all the labels to stop (“yellow fever”, “Asian Fetish”, “marrying for green-card”, “not able to get a hot White woman”, etc.), but everyone is to accept disc-jockeys making references to Asian male genitalia, making on-air prank phone-calls to Asian restaurants, movies depicting Asian males as geeks, kung-fu eunuchs, men with funny accents, tee-shirts being produced with degrading caricatures, pop-songs with insulting lyrics! But as far as the comments about WM/AF IRs; this has got to stop! We’re certainly to ‘acknowledge’ the racism that does exist! But…this is a White dominated society so it’s inevitable! But…..The negative comments about WM/AF IRs has GOT TO STOP RIGHT NOW! The negative comments need to stop because Rocero ‘does not’ date Asian girls because he’s racist! Rocero NEEDS to be able to take an Asian girl to a restaurant and not have to be looked at as someone with a fetish. Rocero should not be victimized! The racism against Asian males in our current White dominated society may even end in 50 years or so, so why be concerned? But the comments against WM/AF IRs need to stop immediately!!! If the comments keep coming, White males will feel discouraged from asking Asian females out. Some poor White guy may miss out on a great relationship because of the this horrible stereotype that’s developing against the poor innocent White males who are merely seeking an Asian partner (for love).
Did I leave anything out Rocero?
There was a major point you missed as well Mr. Rocero. I’ll present it this time as a question. The individuals that you insinuate are not making the effort to go out and get dates; how do you know they haven’t had more girlfriends than you and I put together? Do you know them?
There’s a huge difference in telling people how to live and telling them to stop applying negative connotations to other people’s relationships. I’m doing the latter. Meanwhile you’re going off about your own little thing which holds little to know relevance. What does anything you have to say have to do with what I’m saying about interracial relationships? Nothing. My point exactly. Nobody’s trying to play “teacher” here. If you could read, I said I went to China a couple summers ago for one month before heading off to university, so clearly I didn’t do anything teaching related. Now you’re just resorting to the baseless and incorrect stereotype that every white guy who goes to a place like China goes to teach. Right, that’s realistic.
And you still missed the point about what I was saying when I talked about my experience in the restaurant. When I was talking about that, I was referring to the way Asian males label relationships with “racism”, as if America is the most racist country in the entire world. It is clearly not. Far from it. I’m not denying that racism is a problem in America, but it’s not something you can go accusing people of just because of their taste in women.
Yes. There is racism towards Asian males. Of course there is. Anyone would have to be blind not to notice racism as a problem in our society. But among all the racist actions that are made against Asian males, being in a relationship with an Asian woman is not one of them. I don’t date a Chinese girl to be racist and offend Chinese guys. I don’t do it to “steal” her away.
I don’t see what problems I’m avoiding or how I’m being the “all-mighty instructor” when I’m telling people to back off when they say moronic things like how being with an Asian girl is racist towards Asian men. It’s ridiculous. I recognize racism as a problem. I recognize the problems of oppression and the way our “white-dominant society” works. But these were never my point. My point is about WM/AF relationships, and why angry Asian men need to get over themselves and stop slandering these couples for “racism” or “yellow fever” or “Asian fetish”. And I don’t even like anime. In fact I kind of hate it, but that’s a different story.
What are you even talking about? I thought that you were at least semi-intelligent, but you just pulled out a bunch of stuff from your ass that has no relevance, truth, basis, or foundation whatsoever.
TRY to pay attention this time.
This is the argument thus far (so that you can get yourself caught up on what the discussion here is about):
1. Angry Asian males hate WM/AF relationships and call them racist. So far I’ve pointed out oh-so-many ways how ridiculous this is, and you still haven’t gotten around to explaining your view on this, seeing as how it’s THE MAIN POINT.
2. If you think racism can stop, then you’re living in an idealist fantasy world. Sure, it would be WONDERFUL if we could just snap our fingers and racism could stop JUST LIKE THAT. Believe me, I’d want nothing more than for racism to be completely purged from the Earth. Unfortunately that’s only a dream. It’s not going to stop just like that, no matter how much you want it to. Yes, you can stand against racism, and yes, there are ways to slow down this “circle of racism”. But for as long as humans have different races, racism will still exist. Just like how homophobia will still exist, or sexism. Whenever such a comparison is to be made, one side always fights for dominance. Human nature. Can’t change the way God made us in a flash, it takes a lot of work and a lot of time.
3. Buddy, you need to get it through your head that it’s not only white people who are racist, and you’re shedding a perfect light on Asian males as if they’ve never done a racist thing in their lives. Newsflash: Asians discriminate probably more than ANY OTHER RACE. They discriminate against whites, they discriminate a TON against blacks, and they’ve never stopped discriminating against each other. ALL races are capable of racism. Blacks, whites, Jews, Asians, Latinos, ALL OF THEM. And if you go to any of their countries as a white man, chances are you’re going to be discriminated against ten times more than a lot of minorities have been in America. Why? Because in America, at least we’re trying. There’s a LOT of other countries where racism is looked past and even encouraged. Once again, I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist in America. I’m not saying that racist acts are probably performed ALL THE TIME. But when they happen, it’s WRONG. It’s a CRIME. As far as the media goes, you’re acting as if the white man is NEVER the butt of any jokes. You must be deaf and blind to believe that load.
ALL cultures slander each other. ALL THE TIME. Not just white people! It’s up to the individual to make their own decisions about race. I made mine. I treat everybody as an individual, never making full judgement just from the colour of someone’s skin. Yes, I do notice someone’s skin colour, but that’s not the same as making a judgement due to it. Yes, when I see someone, I do make a mental note of whether they are white, black, yellow, whatever, the same way I note if someone is tall, short, skinny, fat, bald, hairy, blond, brown-haired, male, female, old, young, big, small, athletic, etc. That’s simple recognition. Nobody’s truly “colour blind”. You don’t have to mind someone’s skin colour to still notice it, but unless if you’re actually blind, then you HAVE to see someone else’s skin colour, IT COVERS THEIR ENTIRE BODY.
As far as your “question” goes, which was ALREADY addressed although obviously since by what you said you completely missed it, try using your better judgement.
Let me answer your question with another question.
Would somebody with more girlfriends than you or I be on the internet complaining about how they can’t get a girlfriend? Hmm. I wonder what the more likely answer is.
Now before you reply, take a second and re-read this post. Then re-read my other posts, and make sure you got it all as to not go off posting things which are entirely irrelevant or already covered. I’m not in the mood to repeat myself yet again or address completely irrelevant points that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand, so I will definitely NOT be replying to your next post if that’s what I have to deal with again.
I guess you know which decision I make by if I eventually reply to your next post or not.
To Roreco – you just don’t get it do you? I can tell you I am an Asian guy and I don’t have a problem dating. I don’t have any problems getting a girl friend yet I still fucking hate all those WM/AF based on stereotypes. If you are trying to tell me all those relationships are genuine, you are stupid and out of your mind. I can go to a poor country in Asia and get a girl too, but at least I am not stupid enough to think that she likes me for just being me. The fact is you are keep comparing China to USA means you don’t get it. Most of us live in USA, why you keep shoveling China on us? If Chinese are racists, does it make it ok for white people to be racist too in the USA? China is mostly one race. America is multiracial. 1/3 of USA are minorities of different races. Our media is totally bias with white point of view. You think that’s right because it is dominated by white people? Fuck you and your white privilege. White men set up a system to favor them only. You think it is ok to be racist against Asian men because we are not white? You think it is ok for racist Asian bitches to continue to make racist stereotypes against Asian men because white men said it is ok? You think all the ASIAN AMERICAN men behave the same as men in Asia when most of us never been to Asia? It is like saying all white men in USA are like white men are in Russia. There are some countries where white men are the most sexist you gonna find everywhere but do you see white people make those comparisons? Why do you keep comparing men in China to Asian American men? Why? Cause you are a racist fuck who can’t tell the difference between Asian American men and men in the China. You hold the same old stereotype white racists in this country hold that all Asians are foreign. Does it make it ok because white men make Asian women “exotic” to satisfy their sick fetishes? Yes, there are plenty of sick white men that have a sick fetish that’s not based on love or anything else. It is totally based on sexual satisfaction at Asian women’s expense. When you insult Asian women, you are also insulting all the Asian people. Yes there are some stupid sellout Asian women who don’t see the truth and actually promote this sick white male behavior. This site is suppose to be for Asian American women but all I see is some kind of promotion for further stereotyping Asian men and women. I see some women here writing stuff like “yes Mr. White men, you are right that white is right”. You think Asian American men should just sit back and say this is ok? We don’t see nothing positive in American media. You think we should pollute a few media outlets we got with the same old tired stereotypical messages? You fucking don’t get it. This is a lot more than just dating. Asian American men like myself see some of these WM/AF nothing more than just another reminder of racism in the good old USA. This is our country too you fucking asshole. This is not white only country and we have the right to have equal rights as any other person. Telling us to just accept it because racism always will exist is your opinion. We don’t care about your opinion and we do have the right to speak up against it if it is wrong. For the last fucking time, stop comparing what’s going on in China to America. You are talking about apples and oranges. You don’t fucking get it from an Asian American point of view, you only care about yourself. From your point of view, as long as the system is set up to favor you then it is ok. Well fuck that and fuck the white men who set up this white privilege in this country. This country is not white and all the people in this country are equal and deserve to be treated equally. If you can’t see that, then you are a fucking racist.
Someone isn’t just an Angry Asian Man…someone is just ANGRY!
bitches? They will never acknowledge their sick psychosis, let alone offer intelligent discussion. They are in utter denial or they are so guilt-ridden, they lash out like that bitch Sun Fan.
Sun fan – are you just not too bright or do you have any other response other than “wow another angry Asian man” or “Just get laid”? Do you ever have anything intelligent to say? If you are Asian, you are making all the good Asian women looking real bad. I am not surprised people like you support this site. You really don’t understand anything some of us are trying to say. Do you ever have anything intelligent to say other than your stupid one liner? If you are making a comment, at least make a comment with some substance vs. stupid one liners that prove nothing. If you can’t understand what guys like Lucas or I are saying, then don’t bother responding cause your responses are like from a 2 years old.
Is the same reason, you idiot, keep responding. Is to repeat the same thing over and over. Obviously you did not read my response, so I need to explain why you keep coming on to a women’s magazine and berating women from your own community. This article isn’t for you. No one wants you here..When are you going to get it? That is the question. Get a life and f- off! Like I said, if you had your own life and had enough things going on, you wouldn’t find it necessary posting the same thing here day in and day out under numerous names..LOSER!
No one ‘has’ to read your response. All one has to do is put key words together (‘laid’, ‘get’, ‘life’, etc.), and one can create a “do-it-yourself” Sun Fan comment. How do you know who wants who here (whatever that means)? Don’t blame us because the comments are more interesting than the articles. When I ‘do come here’ as it were, I see this box that practically yells “TYPE ME”! It’s even remembered my screen name and email address. Yet I guess in the grand scheme of things I’m supposed to remember that Sun Fan only wants White guys to post comments with intellectually stimulating lines like “I don’t have a fetish”. I don’t think so!
That should of read “YOU JUST GOT THE FUCK KNOCKED OUT”!
“You Just Got Your Ass KNOCKED OUT”! (by Not Again).
And the only reason you’re not going to continue posting is you will continue to have your ass handed back to you!
You have everything backwards. Whether or not ‘you’ are racist or have a fetish ‘is what’s irrelevant’ (and this goes for the author of this article). Basically, ‘you’ don’t count. The racism that our society displays is the issue, but you want to make ‘you’ the issue. And by the way, yes an Asian male who has dated many times and/or has a girlfriend will take the time to address this issue on the internet. And so would you Rocero, if us Whites were victimized. In fact, that’s why you post here, right? And if you argue their time on the computer, then what are you doing on the computer? The same horse-shit mentality you have concerning racism most certainly existed Pre-Civil Rights Movement. Whites obviously numbly (like sheep) proclaimed “this is just how it is”. That is; until the dam broke. You say you ‘would’ do away with racism? I wouldn’t be so quick to make that claim. Jokes in the media aimed at Asians and Asian Americans is now a comedic format. To have it removed would be something like discontinuing to use a ‘double entendre’ format. Movies will rely on it to fill a comedic moment or scene. You’d have to ask yourself how willing would ‘you’ be to see this removed? To remove this and other societal restraints towards Asian males would also entail a far greater number of White women pursuing Asian men. Obviously not all White women are subject to the influence of societal restraint, but just as prior to the “Civil Rights Movement” there was a societal restraint against Black males, it does exist today. So, many White males would have to deal with an inevitable popularity of Asian males with with White females. When you add 2 and 2 together, we can clearly see the tremendous fear with this. On top of that, a huge rise in Asian male popularity would pose a threat to the sub-culture of average White men who bank on obtaining an Asian woman by virtue of being White. Again Rocero, you’re not fooling ‘everyone’ here. You may have a token concern for racism (kind of like asking someone how they’re doing when it’s not ‘really’ a concern). What you say reveals what’s ‘really’ inside you. To some Rocero up; this is what I would conclude.
1. Rocero is content with racism in the U.S. All he has to do is try and use other nations as a comparison, and the problem is solved. Rocero even confessed that the racial portrayals in our media (movies, etc.) is how our White dominated society views ethnic groups. So every negative portrayal in our movies of an Asian man is ‘how we actually see it’!
2. While Rocero has little to no concern for racial stereotype aimed at Asian males. However, he is ‘very’ concerned about a stereotype developing against White males who pursue Asian females. He’s concerned that he may be identified as one with an “Asian Fetish”. He’s concerned that other White males will be discouraged from pursuing an Asian female. He’s concerned that some Asian females may be discouraged from accepting the advances from a White male.
‘This’ is what Rocero is concerned about. And the only reason Rocero may not respond is because his boots are a shakin’!
Not angry asian men!!
the Rifleman turned out to be gay.
That may explain your choice of handles, and to a certain extent, why you hate these woman so.
Me, I use “Just a Two-Asian-Girl White-Guy”, only because I don’t want to sound greedy, otherwise the number would be more reflective reality. You should consider something like “freak show” as a primary cloak, rings to me more fitting of you.
BTW, it’s obvious fun_san is way above your intellectual pay grade, you might also consider redirecting your needle-dick scorn to somewhere the audience won’t laugh so hard at you.
It seems to me that there are many asian women whom are very, very racist. They use white men as vehicles to espouse their racist beliefs. The same white men who bed these asian women get them to believe that all black men are thugs, all latinos are uneducated, and all asians have small penises.
I think what angers many asian males is that asian females are allowing white males to continue to enjoy free access to everything in America. White males have unabated access to money, professions, academia, politics, real estate, legislation, judicial, and, of course, women.
You can tell how racist asian females are by how they perceive blacks. As a black man, if I were to go on any typical online dating site and try to find an asian woman, I’d be lucky to go through 100 asian female profiles and find maybe 2 or 3 that are “open” to dating a black man, and they usually want the stereotypical “thug” or “athletic” black man. I can place an online personals profile stating that I have a PhD, that I’m physician, that I make a 6-digit income and that I’m an honest and decent person, and still she’s chose a white boy like the one featured in this article over me.
Again, and make not mistake about this…the vast majority of asian women whom exclusively date white males are pure racists. Period.
If only asian women could just be honest about their sentiments. We black men use to get it from black women for our interracial dating with white women. What finally diminished the tension was that black men started being honest about why there was a desire for non-black women; body image, better attitude, something different, cultural brainwashing. Whatever, honesty was the key to setting both black men and women free from this issue. There’s not nearly as much anger in the black female community over black men dating white women as there use to be.
My point? I think asian woman could do asian men, and the entire asian race, a great service by just being honest and getting it out— “I prefer white men because I was raised to believe that white men are superior”, “I prefer white men because I think white skin is much prettier than dark skin.” “I prefer white men because they’re influential and I want to benefit from their influence.” “I prefer white men because my mother and father told me that black men are naturally dumb, inclined to become criminals, and look like monkeys.” Whatever it is, just say it!
Of course then again I don’t subscribe to magazines like Blue Boy! And I’ve heard about people like you that claim they’re a woman trapped in a man’s body. But you claim to have two?
Why didn’t you stick to the handle “Rocero”?
Have at it, Lucas m’man…
Not only can you use different monikers each time, you can even use one that’s already been used. You sure seem to have a complex over my “ass-whooping” comment. The problem is, you attempted to swim with the ‘big boys’ at first. I give you partial kudos for trying; but at the same time it’s where you screwed up! You attempted at first to discuss racial/social/societal issues, and in a sense it’s where you got your ass kicked. Then “Two Lady Boys And A White Guy”, or whatever his name is showed up using baby talk right off the bat. He probably emailed the website asking: “Did I do good Sun Fan? Hunh? Did I do good Amused By You? Hunh? Hunh?” Once you saw this, this gave you the go-ahead to get out of the ‘Big Pool’, and jump into the kiddy-pool along with your buddy and made the all-too-obvious quick transition to ‘baby talk’. You’re attempting to get into a “noodle fight” by rehashing old flame war comments from your video-game discussion forums. But, since even in one of your last posts you made a slight reference to racial issues, I’ll make an attempt to veer away from the baby talk. BTW, your way behind on your argument. You claim I view all Whites as racist. As I’ve already alluded to before; this is not the case. Where you’re getting fucked up is, your mixing prejudice with a society that practice racism, vs. Pete from Hoboken. You mentioned earlier that racism will always continue, and that there’s nothing that can be done. Yes, it’s true that there’s nothing that can be done about the prejudice or racist sentiment that Pete from Hoboken caters to. However, the racism that’s ‘acted out’ by the powers that be in our White dominated society, ‘can’ be changed. This has been proven. The racism that’s ‘acted out’ does ‘not’ affect you because it doesn’t target you. Look at it this way; let’s say someone didn’t like my lawn, or they were prejudiced against my lawn (if such a thing is possible). Let’s say they decided to ‘act out’ their dislike/prejudice against my lawn and began to trounce on it whenever they walked by it. Can I do anything about their dislike for my lawn? No! Can I take measures to prevent them from trouncing on my lawn again? Yes! I can utilize law enforcement, or I can place a bullet between their eyes. All I can really expect of them is to keep the fuck off of my lawn. Other than that, they’re welcome to harbor any ill sentiment towards it they like. In your warped view of racial prejudice, you have no concept of racism being acted out (accept for your escapade in a restaurant in China). To you, it’s a mere issue of individuals harboring racist sentiment which of course is practiced by all races and ethnicities. Hopefully the baby talk will end, but I’m holding to no expectations. And watch out for the fat kid coming down the slide!
I think you might have a bit of a problem with your arithmetic. There was the dude with 2 women trapped inside of his body. Is that what you mean by someone backing you up, and then someone else backing you up? Perhaps that person is not you, but you both use tired old used flame war lines that can be used on anyone. As far as my response time, I don’t think taking 24 hours to think of a response, and then claiming you were dating the whole time is anything admirable (but considering this is someone who would stoop to using someone else’s moniker, it’s not too surprising). As far as monikers are concerned, I’ll be the first to admit that I could be wrong about who is who. It really doesn’t matter whether you are that trans-gender person who backed you up (maybe even literally) or not. Even with all the names being used, one thing is obvious; there’s a given number of intelligent Asian males who post here that can hit you both with worthwhile facts, and/or slam you and the other White male posters with your own insecurity. One of these posters single-handedly exposed the over-all general insecurity of this website and many of it’s posters like yourself, by posting a link to a website containing a video that evidently dealt with the “long” and “short” of the issue. This evidently caused enough of a furvor to cause someone with moderation capacity to delete the post. It may have been Sun Fan or one of the females at this site who use baby talk so that those like you don’t feel left out. I’ll be the first to admit that I don’t care much for the topic of penis’s, but I did see a blog once that showed pictures of well-girded Asian males in contrast to photos of White male celebrities who didn’t quite match up. The blog was created by an Asian female no less. If I find that blog again, maybe I’ll post the link. If nothing else, just for the sheer humor of watching it get deleted.
But I guess with a statement “White people are racist!” that is not the case..you are pathetic..No wonder an intelligent Asian woman wouldn’t date you…oh and btw – even though I myself am dating an Asian Man, I just saw 3 Asian Female/White Male couples at the gym! HAHAHAH! Looks like you need to adapt a better attitude if you are to survive in this world..Let’s say these couples get married and have children! um that would make their children and grandchildren and so on….um guess what ASIAN!!!
Clearly you’re just another racist Asian in disguise. Nevermind. Why don’t you go live on your life disgruntled on your own and leave us in peace?
White people are racist. America is racist. Asians are never racist. Nobody except for white people are racist except for Asian women with white boyfriends. Every interracial relationship involving a white man is racist. It’s impossible to be with someone of another race without being racist. Love doesn’t exist in interracial relationships, just racism. Hollywood is racist. Rocero is racist because he can be in a relationship with another race, because he is racist. Something about baby talk and racism. Something about how smart I think I am. Something something something. Something completely irrelevant. Something about racism. Something else about racism that still has nothing to do with anything. Anybody supporting Rocero is clearly Rocero using a different handle.
Hold on, I missed a few things.
White people created racism. Absolutely nobody except for whites ever enslaved another race. If all white people left America, racism there would completely end. You know why? Because other races never fight with each other, like Hispanics and black people.
Err, let’s see…
Now that I’ve sputterred out the same irrelevance in yet another long and pointless post, I think I’m going to try to make a shot at your intelligence and say that you’ve been speaking “baby talk”, whatever the Hell that means. Probably because when people understand at what level my intelligence is, they lose all seriousness in me and talk to me like I’m a child. Stop talking down to me, I’m a grown up and it makes me cry.
Now I will sit by my computer desk waiting for Rocero’s next post when he gets back from all of his sexy parties and dastardly shennanigans. He’d better not find an Asian girlriend while he’s at it though. That would be racist of him.
Hahaha. I love how McCain keeps rehashin the same argument over and over and pulling the same crap out of his ass. The point is pretty simple right here. I think what us white guys are trying to say is that sometimes, ending up with a Chinese little lady has absolutely nothing to do with racism or even race. Could be that just two people met and attracted, and that’s where it went. Hmmm. Huuuuh. No. Nevermind. Must be racism. Because of the woman, right? Because Asian women can only be into Asian men. If they get with a white guy, it’s because of stereotypical views forced on and what-not. Because if it weren’t for any of that, it would be impossible for an Asian woman to look at a white guy and maybe think “Huh. He’s kinda hot.”
This has been sarcasm by the way, if you haven’t noted yet McCain. Sarcasm. Meaning I didn’t mean that stuff you may have thought I meant. Do you understand the meaning of sarcasm? Sorry for the babytalk, it’s just too hard to be sure.
Hahahah. Hey, McCain, why don’t you go swim with your “big fishes” and go back to your World of Warcraft forums or something? Hahahah. Do you honestly think you have an ounce of intelligence in you? You’re good at twisting words and pulling crap from your ass. That’s about it. Other than that, your posts look like a collection of essays written by angry Chinese kids in grade 8.
What’s so racist about a white guy with a Chinese girl? If anything, this is the exact opposite of racism. The way I see it, racism would be REJECTING someone due to their race. Instead what I see here are people from two very different cultures accepting and setting aside their differences. But um. Ok. I guess that’s racist too? Sure. Not going to go ahead and say it’s not, I’ll leave that to personal judgement.
I mean, think about it. Us WHITE guys are taking your CHINESE girls and bringing them TOGETHER to make cute little mixed-blood kids that’ll end up being way hotter than the cultures ever could have been on their own. I think more of you Asian men should get on that. And if you think that it’s impossible for Asian guys to get white girls, what gives? I see these couples quite a bit. Then again I live in Toronto. Ontario. Canada. Hmm. Maybe America does have a problem with racism after all if Canadian-Asians can do it…
Are you done stroking your own ego, McCain? Is this the only chance you ever get for it? Well with your heavy schedule of message board trolling and YouTube commenting, I don’t understand where you ever find the time for it in the first place. Why don’t you actually write, say, or do something that actually is worthwile, valuable, and intelligent? Then you can go ahead and applaud yourself for what a great guy you are. The “big boys” don’t waste all week sitting at their computers every day weakly arguing with anonymous people on the internet to feel better about their lives. ‘Cus life is sweet up here in the big boy table, why don’t you come join us when you’re all grown up?
Something about video-game message boards which I spend way too much time on when I’m not looking through this e-magazine about Asian culture and trolling the reply forums. Yeah. This is my life right here. I troll video game message boards and online Asian forums. Several times a day. I most likely even do it on YouTube. Guess how often I get laid?
Excuse me, I have to go look up some Asian bondage porn and oggle their naked bodies while rape scenes are acted out on-screen. Nothing wrong with that. It’s not like any of those girls are my girlfriend or anything. That would be racist of me and wrong.
The person who made the comment is Rocero using my moniker. He’s too cowardly to go at it Rocero vs. Lucas McCain. Now he’s playing the “wasting my time game”. Basically, it’s a means to avoid the issue.
I mean come on. It’s pretty obvious what’s happening. We don’t need you to describe every way in which Lucas is a moron, we’re already well aware of that. You’re stating the obvious here and beating a dead horse over the head. Let’s just let Lucas vent out whatever geeky little banter he has coming up. Besides, we all know the real reason why he’s here: he’s looking for a date. And with every day that goes by, he can only grow frustrated as his search leads him nowhere.
He already beat you, a long time ago. This is what’s known as a graceful victory. Why should he keep wasting his time on you? Why am I wasting my time on you…?
You’re defeated, McCain. It was cute at first watching you try to come up with scraps, like watching a dog trying to have sex with a slipper. But then it just sort of… well… please just stop and leave the slipper alone, and stop accusing others of your own dumb comments.
I’m going to assume you’re not Rocero. Sarcasm aside, you have absolutely no clue who I am (or why you may perceive I’m on the computer too long), or what I do other than what I reveal. You say your from Canada? Fine! That could explain some things. To set the record straight (again), I’m a White male. Not White as in Italian at heart because I like Italian food, or like Russian culture. But White as in check mark the ‘White’ box on application White. In fact, If I’m not a full blooded White person as I claim, there’s no validity to anything I’ve said, at least coming from me. I have posted under 2 monikers before this one. But since I’ve used this one, I haven’t changed. I have nothing against Asian women. Truthfully, I don’t know any. Admittedly, I had always preferred White women. I do believe that the vast majority of Asian women prefer Asian men. However, like any race, you will find women (and men), who are auto-racist. There are certainly White women who fit this category, Black women, Hispanic women, etc. I believe our White society has a tendency to exploit the few Asian women who are auto-racist, and attempt to create an image that most Asian women prefer White males. We can clearly see this in our media. One of the things that perhaps you and some others keep insisting is that apparently I view all White males as racist. Under the circumstances, that’s absolutely silly. No, not all White males are racist. In the U.S., there are however quite a few. The level of racism or prejudice against Asians and/or Asian males vary. Basically, you, Rocero, Sun Fan, etc., dance ‘around’ that issue. You can never look it straight in the eye. Personally, I don’t buy into the “in Canada we do it better theme”, because I know the same problems exist up there as well. You want to avoid the ‘historical issue’, and the ‘media issue’. You just won’t/can’t go there. You want to play down it’s relevance. Maybe I do keep rehashing the same thing. But why not? You think you’re going to discourage me by silly token insults aimed at someone you know absolutely nothing about? If you want the comments to go away, tell the moderators to remove the posting feature. This is the world wide internet. If you can’t take opposition, you may want to consider a different line of work. The pictures and theme of this site utilize a form of propaganda. You seek to reduce the issue to mere natural attraction, and want to completely ignore the rest of the picture. Here’s the irony; you and Rocero emphasize the natural attraction vs. fetish theme; and yet many White males boldly proclaim that they have an “Asian Fetish” or have “Yellow Fever”. And everyone’s supposed to keep quite about it? Yes, there’s a reference used referring to an attraction to Blacks; namely, “jungle fever”. However, this term is interchangeable with both Black men and Black women. It may even be referenced more often with White women referring to Black men. However, the term “Yellow Fever” is pretty much relegated to White men with an attraction to Asian women. It has very significant historical implications.
You’re obviously an intelligent individual. I’d be interested in your historical viewpoint on racism in the U.S. (and you may want to throw in Europe as well).
I was born in a poor Asian country and have seen a lot of unhappy marrieds. My dream was to be successful and married to a perfect man (to me). By the time I was 21 I was considered successful but could not be attracted to any one, there was always some things about them that I don’t like. Then my parent married me off to a Chinese family. I am not Chinese thus could not fit in; there are so many things in their culture that I could not agree. I chose to move out with empty hands and a baby on my arms and started my life all over. It was hard for the first few years but now I have a good career and doing well financially. Look around in my neighborhood I see a lot of mixed married and I wonder how they handle the diferences. I felt like I was dying on a bussiness trip when I did not have rice for a week. Because of my profession I work with more men than women and I am still not attracted to any of kind caring men I’ve met. I convinced myself that I can not fall in love with any one and doing better by myself (my life was worst when I was married).
One day while working on a project with a man I realize that he is so sweet, kind and gentle. I had a good time working with him but he may be just one of many kind and good people. Until when he says “don’t worry, ok? everything will be fine. i’ll help you”, the world stops spinning, I can relax and let go of everything on my mind. However I could not get his voice nor those sentences out of my head. It has been months but every time I have difficulties I hear his voice again some where.
But he is a white American…
I understand what you must be going through with your disorder. Besides, it’s not like you can say anything now that merits and challenge or response, I already beat you a long time ago at this. So go ahead, go nuts 😀
That was my split personality disorder acting up again. You see, I live in a mental institution. Because of this, I never have sex, so all these years of repression have turned me into a crazy internet troll.
RAGGAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
See, unlike you Lucas, I don’t compulsively check back here every hour of the day. I like to go out, you know, and date and stuff while you sit at your computer complaining about why you can’t get a girl XD
Anyway, here’s the list of what happened since I was gone:
-Angry racist Asian guy making racist remarks about AF/WM couples again. Typical.
-Someone backs me up.
-Lucas acts immature for another post claiming that the angry racist Asian guy “knocked my ass out” or something. You hear that everybody? Racism beats anti-racism.
-Someone else backs me up.
-Lucas acts immature and accuses the two people who backed me up to be me under different handles. As if I stoop to the levels Lucas is willing to crawl down to, like siding with racism.
-Absolutely nothing relevant, worthwile, or valuable in any way shape or form is contributed by either the angry racist Asian dude or Lucas.
Let’s see here… yeah, no, nope, not anything worth seriously replying to. Seems like all just a big load I can be a smart-ass jerk about. I guess all that’s left to do now is to wait for Beowolf to show up and tell us that he is indeed Beowolf, thus saving the day.
I finally understand your point of view. You were always right, all along. I had to see the light. And lo and behold, there it is. The white man ISN’T the worst race in the world! I now produce logical thoughts on racism rather than thinking that every white person in the world is racist while nobody else is! I… I can feel the Russian half of me… leaving my blood… racism… flowing away… rejecting… bad genes…. agh…gah! Yes! Now that I am finally free of my Russian background, I no longer feel the urge to do nothing but sit at my computer drinking vodka while arguing over the internet! I might even go get a date! I just have to brush my teeth for the first time in 500 years and shower! And stop drinking so much vodka! Ow, my liver!
I’m not really racist. I’m not even Asian. I’m white. In fact, I’m completely albino. I like listening to Coldplay and playing acoustic guitar. You see I only posted what I posted because I’m thirteen years old and my hormones are raging. Excuse me, I have to go jerk off again.
This site is suppose to help educate young Asian American women. All I see here is more rehash of mainstream stereotypes.
With so few Asian American media publications out there, it is very irresponsible of this site to continue the same stereotype crap white men have been preaching. It is sad some AFs just don’t get the negative impact these messages have on the Asian American community as a whole. I think either this site needs to change it to WM/AF focused site and stop claiming this is an Asian American site. The authors on this site are clueless of any real Asian American issues.
I saw a disturbing book title on amazon.com – “how to attract asian women”. Curiously I typed “Asian women” on google search, I feel more insulted than ever to see 90% of the hits are adverts for dating Asian women and discussions of dating Asian women. I want to let people know that Asian women are women just like any others. There are good ones and there are bad ones, none is like another. They are not as submissive as you might think (if I were, my life would be hell now). People who want a submissive wife, they are not manly enough; it would be more moral for them to buy a slave or go back to acient time. There is a big diference between being submissive and making sacrifices and compromises. I think people who date Asian women because of some facial features or body frame are freaks. If you are human and manly enough, treat all women with respect. Many of them are smart and ambitious. Don’t take advandtage of women who are already victims of a racist or/and sexest society.
Superman, I’ll be a bit more specific this time. First off, as “This site does not get it” just stated, this site makes claim to be an Asian American site. Therefore, any reference to Asian American history, and current media issues affecting the Asian American community is just as relevant as a White male explaining his reasons for preferring Asian females. Hey, forget the insults! Forget the flame warring! I’m through with that. I want to get down to the nitty-gritty! On the one hand, I see this as an extremely sad situation. However, I will admit to the fact that I find it extremely interesting how the issue always comes to a roadblock (with White males) when one attempts to delve into the issue of how Asian American males have been dealt with in American history, and in our currently media. As a White male who has looked into the situation, I have honestly concluded that ‘any’ expression of dissatisfaction, or yes, anger pertaining to this issue is 100% justified. As far as how Asian males view to what length other Asian males should express anger is not for me to say. As far as whatever the level, to me it’s completely justified. When looking at the responses of various White males to Asian males who express dissatisfaction, whether affiliated with this site or not, the response is ‘always’ “you angry Asian males”. This is ‘any’ Asian male irregardless of the content of his post. I would say that it’s fairly clear that there’s a bit of a bent here, wouldn’t you say? If it was just a few, that might be one thing. But ‘any’ type of post that shows a level of dissatisfaction gets this response. The responses always consist of an accusation that they are ‘not’ dating. There’s absolutely no consideration to the (probability) that some of them will either be married (in which case dating is not really an issue), have a steady girlfriend, or are in fact very active in dating. The accusation is always that they are lonely guys who are always on a computer, who if only they would stop complaining would get a date now and then. And of course this gets directed at me as well. Isn’t this rather narrow-minded? I admit I’m ‘not’ into comic books (or video-games, youtube, etc.), but my understanding of Superman is that he has a certain level of high intelligence (I’m saying this somewhat sarcastically knowing that you may be just some random White male poster who is using that moniker as reference more towards possessing alpha-male dating practices than intelligence). So enlighten me, what is your viewpoint on how our American history, and current media affects Asian males/females, White males/females, Black males/females, White male/Asian female coupling, Asian male/White female coupling, Asian male/Asian female coupling? Is there any justification for expression of anger for ‘any party’ involved? Some justification? No justification? BTW, I’m not trying to claim any level of intelligence on my part, or pat myself on the back. I think anything I’ve stated that can be deemed correct, some who post here knew them long before I did, and know far more than I do. If it were merely a debate competition, they would run circles around you, Rocero, and company. I’m not trying to vent here. I’m attempting a sincere inquiry. And of course this inquiry is aimed at you, Rocero, Peter Rabbit, or any random White male whether affiliated with this site or not!
First… Happy New Years to all.
Wow! I can not understand this site. As stated by many users, I thought this site was for young ASIAN AMERICAN WOMEN… When did it get so polluted with such negativity?
Second, let me introduce myself. I am an AMERICAN who is proud serving my country, and am proud of my Korean heritage. I was adopted when I was five years old and grew up in Minnesota. This is my second tour in Iraq and I already had a tour in Afghanistan.
OK, let me get back to this web site, as this has been very interesting reading most of the articles and comments, as it helped me get through working this holiday season. Besides the mortar and rocket attacks, and trying to run to shelters, I was able read most of the articles on this web site. The most interesting ones are about the interracial dating or marriage topics. After researching this topic I realize that it is a big deal for a lot of Asian men, and I do understand some of their issues.
I do agree with that Hollywood does portray a terrible image of Asian men, but I think the only way we can change this is for more Asian men and women and the Asian community to start being proactive in changing this. Instead of complaining about this in forums or on this web site. I understand it will not happen overnight, but I believe it can change in time. Also, the Asian community need to start marketing and promoting more advertisements with Asian men and women. I do see and don’t understand why I see so many Asian women always paired with non-Asian men. Just go through any major web site, and what you see is a lot of Asian women, and very few Asian men. I think most company’s think this meets their equal opportunity quota.
What I do not understand about this web site is that why it does not promote more Asian women dating Asian men, and why are they publishing these articles written by an author that only has a one sided opinion about dating. Also is the founder of this web site a white woman or a white MAN (as she/he does not show her picture). I understand that interracial dating and marriages will happen no matter what people say, but I also believe that promoting same race marriage is not a bad thing. We focus so much (positive and negative) on interracial dating and marriage…is it wrong NO, but what is wrong promoting same race marriages NOTHING. White, blacks, Latinos promote this all the time when it comes to advertisements, television shows, and movies. Then when Asians are represented in these vectors, you will more likely see a non-Asian male with an Asian woman. Right here, people will be stating that I am hating, NO I am just pointing out the facts. And for you white commenter’s, don’t bring up China, Korea, Japan, etc about their media networks. You are talking apple and oranges as I am not a citizen of those countries, as I am an AMERICAN…who is serving currently in Iraq as an American soldier. It is we (white, black, Latino, Asian) American airmen, sailors, Marines and soldiers who are here and willing to pay the ultimate price so that you (Asian, white, Latino, blacks) can comment on these articles without any reprisal.
Finally to you Asian men on this site, PLEASE stop calling Asian women sellouts or race traitors, and by responding in such negative ways only promotes white men as their saviors. Once they comment back to your negative comments, Asian women will only see white guys as being mature and understanding. Be more constructive, and don’t use abusive words to describe our beautiful, intelligent, sexy, (I can go on and on) Asian women. There are other ways to show them the real intensions of these white decepticons for being on sites dedicated to ASIAN people. They will transform and reveal there real intentions why they are on Asian sites.
Again, in the life of love, you can not choose whom you fall in love with, and if an Asian women falls for a white, black, or Latino man… let her be and don’t call her a sellout. There are BILLONS of other Asian women who do love us.
I just don’t get it. Why do so many white men venture to Asian sites and always have opinions on why the are loved by Asian women..and the sad part is that they are praised for this.
Why don’t they venture to black forums or Latino forums and write, ‘White boy speaks on dating black or Latino women…Are you seeing a pattern here. This is not a new thing. Again, I am not a racist and I can careless about interracial dating..it is the person’s right to date whomever he/she wants and should not be told other wise. The thing is that I also believe in same race marriages and there is nothing wrong with that either. But I am tired about hearing why interracial dating or marriage is so great. I love Asian women and I prefer to love them. I think white, black, and Latin women are beautiful to, but I am here to tell my Asian bothers and sisters that IT IS ALRIGHT DATING AND MARRYING EACH OTHER (Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai, etc.) Besides the average American can’t tell one Asian culture from another. They all think we are foreigners in their country.
Come on my beautiful, intelligent Asian women…wake up an smell the coffee. Don’t be blinded by these articles, opinions, comments…support your Asian brothers. I am not telling you who to date or who to love, but just asking you to open your eyes because there are a lot of great Asian American men out there. Stop believing in the old beliefs, which are portrayed in our media networks. And start writing and posting positive articles about Asian men and women relationships. Isn’t this a site for Asian American women? So support your brothers, nephews, cousins, and fathers.
Again, to the white men commenting on this web page…stop saying the same old lame opinions. Don’t act like you are here to support them…just be true about your intentions..as you just want to get laid. Don’t get me wrong I do believe there are legit guys here that respect Asian women, but I have seen to much to believe that 100 percent of you guys are legit..more like 10 percent or less.
And to my Asian brothers…STOP calling these beautiful, intelligent Asian women sellouts. It is their choice if they want to date these men. By showing your negative views and opinions, you are only helping the white guys – like this author.
Did you by any chance read Superman’s post in it’s entirety, or just the heading and first line? Because if you read anymore than that, you’d see that he was actually siding with me and Rocero and his post was a well-aimed shot at your thick-headedness. Hahahahah.
I win.
I don’t think you’ve won yet. In the contest of proving who’s the biggest idiot, Rocero is giving you a run for your money. Don’t rule him out yet! Although, not recognizing that I knew that Superman was siding with you was very idiotic!
Ever considered that your women like us better because we’re, you know, men? When you guys stop weighing about 100 pounds tops and stop dressing exactly like your girlfriends maybe you’ll have a bit of luck.
lol naw I’m just joshin’ around.
Come on guys, chill out. Whenever I’m out with a white guy, don’t think I don’t see the looks. Totally unecessary. You know why we’re getting more and more into white guys? Because they’re not creepy and possessive to the point where they will jealously look at every white girl dating a guy who’s not white. So nuts to you. And if anything, Asian men are the ones who will force stereotypes onto women more. Asian men seem a lot more determined to make us some submissive little housewife while white men are all into this whole “equality” thing. Tell a white guy I want a future career, no problem. Were I to tell this to an Asian guy, he’d be telling me my career is in the kitchen followed by the sack.
Whites aren’t that racist. Asians are. lol. Asians even hate each other. That’s just how bad you are.
I’m sure there’s SOME nice Asian guys out there. But most that I’ve met, even second, third, fourth generation, are all very old-fashioned. Besides, white guys have waaaay more physical sex appeal than Asian guys. Asian guys are completely ignorant about this, but yeah, white guys have so much more of that raw physical attraction than more “delicate”-looking Asian men. Chances are that if an Asian girl hasn’t tried being with a white guy already, she most likely will soon enough. Better check with your girlfriends my brothers 😉 Yeah. Did you see her eyes wander off somewhere? It’s ‘cus they were caught by a big sexy white man, and you’re girl’s getting wet with curiosity.
Cindy (if you’re really an Asian woman); I’m going to level with you as a White man. You know how when you go into a Denny’s restaurant, and sometimes you’ll notice a group of fat White men sitting at the counter flirting with the counter waitress? Guess who those hunky wait men you’re referring to become 20 years later (hopefully with proper dieting and excersise I can avoid this scenario). If you marry one, my advice is that if you enjoy being on the bottom during intercourse, take advantage of it as much as possible because you won’t be able to for very long (unless you don’t mind suffocating). And you may want to consider getting a gas mask to take to bed with you. Chances are that in 20 or 30 years, one day when you head out to the grocery store to feed Mr. McCallister’s/Jones’/Schultz’s/Van Horn’s fat gut, you will turn around and notice Mr. McCallister’s/Jones’/Schultz’s/Van Horn’s huge stomach hanging over his groin area while he’s watching NASCAR. As you head out the door you will see Mr. Ming/Fuji/Kim/Nguyen outside working on his front garden, fit, and about the same age as Mr. McCallister/Jones/Schultz/Van Horn. It will dawn on you that unlike Mr. McCallister/Jones/Schultz/Van Horn, Mr. Ming/Fuji/Kim/Nguyen can still see his penis.
Lay it on em Lucas
sorry but we’ve already caught on.. let’s move on to another topic. Still haven’t found a date yet hun?
Why do you keep on stating that this person can not get a date or get laid. Call me old fashioned but this is not lady like at all. So being said…White man stop pretending that you are an Asian woman.
Ya, some of the posts by my fellow Asian brothers could use some editing, but I guess this is how they feel. Can you blame some of them (your comments). And I also understand why you (a white man) would say this. Yep, I agree everyone is entitled to date and marry whomever they want. This is their choice, and no one should judge. BUT this is an Asian site, and I have a question, why are there so many white guys on Asian forums or web sites dedicated for Asian community. Do you see a pattern here. So Mr. White stop starting shit here.
This is an Asian site, Right. Why not promote Asian man and Asian women relationships. I love my beautiful, intelligent Asian women…
Why are all the responses deleted and all the comments from loser AFs and WMs are kept? If you gonna keep loser comments at least keep other people’s responses.
For example, the mod here keeps dumb racist comments from Cindy above but deleted responses to that? What kind of BS site is this?
Lucas McCain, I appreciate that you respect my point of view as I respect yours and other people’s POVs as well on this forum. I think honest and positive discourse is the only way to bring out sensitive issues in this great country of ours. I think you bring up an age old question, “how much freedom is too much?” Thus, your excellent inquisitive question brings up my belief that human beings are social animals based on my professional and personal experience. And you’re correct in making the assessment that if this website puts up a black faced minstrel, many minorities would be offended at the image, but this website has that choice to do this, but, but, at the perils of being socially ostracized because we are as human beings at our core just social animals with hidden agendas, motives and narrow racial beliefs, but we are intelligent social animals, thus, I think most of us are able to use rationalization, common sense and logics to rise above the pettiness of territorial disputes over mating partners pool and land….As for that Asian male being teased by his White tormentors, that’s fits right into my human beings are social animals, where the more powerful group of animals with same traits of color, physical features and belief will have a tendency to suppress and oppress the individual social animal that are different from themselves…I think having a sound education helps us as social animals understand our place in society and the choices that we have as individuals and as members of certain groups…Interesting discussion so far….
As a White man I differ from your opinion in various ways, but respect your viewpoint. I agree with you on your “freedom of choice” assessment, but the question comes up; where does one draw the line on freedom? I don’t think this website would utilize it’s freedom to post a picture of a black-faced minstrel because of it’s racist nature. And obviously a Black American would want freedom from having to see this kind of degrading caricature. The picture used on this blog and the others on this website is certainly not as black and white an issue as putting up a picture of a black-faced minstrel. The obvious defense of these depictions of White men and Asian women would be that they are merely pictures of a man and woman together, and their race shouldn’t be an issue. However, many understand the message behind the photo. While you are fully aware of this, there’s some serious problems to consider. I’m going to bring up a rather sensitive subject. I know first hand of an account explained to me from a high school teacher of an incident that happened fairly recently. An Asian male at the high school had been taunted by some White male students (for being Asian) throughout elementary and Jr. High School. It was found out somehow that this Asian male student was planning revenge (if you know what I mean). They decided to let the students that were on his target list know that they had been on his list. Talk about a wake-up call. Anyways, I understand that this is an extreme rarity, and taunting of ‘any’ nature is not uncommon. I also realize that under the circumstances, as a whole, Asian men handle the situation concerning racism in America very well. As far as the student, whether this can be attributed to not having a strong enough mind or what have you, I couldn’t say. I don’t know to what level he was being taunted. If I had been taunted for whatever reason, I don’t know what my breaking point would of been. Although the premeditated incident concerning this student was in itself an isolated case, what’s not an isolated case is this type of ‘taunting’ among White kids towards Asian kids. And part of this whole element of taunting revolves around WM/AF pairings. It may of course be a slightly more adult version. While this type of racism may not hinder most Asian males, I don’t think it’s a good idea to overlook the potential harm involved. Especially considering the fact that this issue is for the most part kicked under the rug.
I read the article, all of it and I am an Asian American male and I think the white dude made some good valid points. If he likes Asian women, that his choice, not mine, not the U.S. government, not society as a whole to judge him on it, it’s just his personal choice. I don’t think he really needed to explain himself. For example, if most white women don’t like me because I’m an Asian male, that’s their choice as well, their preferences for tall and big white men, all the power to them. If some Asian females don’t like me for the same reasons, that’s their choice as well. I’m fine with that..America’s about choice..Nothing wrong with choices…Opinions are fine too…I love this country!..If my white brothers want to brainwash other people and they have the power and money to do it, then who am I to stop them, it’s their money, their power, their choice…My choice is to not buy into it. ….Marc Wang
Lucas, you’ve made some more excellent points. And I have to agreed with you on most of your points that dating like many areas of human’s society is affected by the social issues of race, gender, beliefs, and humans as social animals’ needs to feel the power rush. I think many of us would like to deny this ‘animalistic” part of the human psyche, but it’s there in all of us, we originated from species like the monkeys, species that fight for territorial and mating resources (Some academic folks would call this a “right” but it’s not though if you think about it). So, is an absence of Asian males in the American media is a violation? I don’t think the proper word for this is “violation.” I think it just comes down to who’s running the media, who has the monies, who has the power and right now, it’s mostly rich White folks like Ted Turner and Donald Trump and that’s the way it is in China as well. In China, the rich Chinese folks run the show, so they have strong Asian males leads and makes fun of Americans. People like people like themselves, people group together to stand powerfully against other group, we are not a nation one big melting pot, we are a diverse and one of the greatest nation of various ingredients (races/ethnicities) and there’s nothing wrong with these choices that humans as social animals makes to pool resources together to survive, to prosper and yes, to make wars and to taunt weaker and lesser grouping of folks different than ourselves. Is taunting bad? Yes, but like I reiterated above, “People are social animals that like feel of th rush of powers.” Let me tell you three sad stories: 1. One of my Asian female friend was fired from her job because her employer felt she didn’t fit in with the mostly White group and 2. As an educated Asian American male in America, I am constantly discriminated by my own race for writing and speaking standard English because of jealously, so some of these Asians accused me of being “a White wannabe” for speaking and writing English better than them and 3. My girlfirend told me that there is an Asian woman at her work that refuses to work with her own race because she thinks her White co-workers are better! (Just hilarious)…Will there ever be a time when Asian American/Asian males have a strong presence in the media? Yes, when Asian males numbers go up in America, when Asian males makes more monies and pool their resources together and “buy” a piece of the White dominant Hollywood media pie….Plain and simple…
Yes Marc! I would say that it can be said we are social animals. As far as the teasers are concerned, I agree with you on that as well. However…I think the majority of time, they only target those they feel they can get away with. That being the case, I would imagine that a good number of Asian males in school settings are ‘not’ harassed simply because they are not someone to mess with, or have a worldliness about them that would restrain some potential tormentors. And of course then again, those that practice something like this will often torment even their own kind (racially). But when they do target an Asian person (student), they use the fact that they are Asian as a method of torment/teasing. And of course another potential victim would be someone directly from overseas who perhaps doesn’t speak fluent English yet. When looking at various responses on this website, it seems there’s more of an adult type of taunting (specifying White males). It may range from a more overt or hate spewing post, to something slightly sarcastic to where the poster seems to be attempting a ‘motivational teasing’. This idea seems to revolve around the notion that ones dating habits (or success) is the sole issue. Thus, any race related issue is non-existent. So once someone theoretically becomes actively dating, the problem is solved, and this person/teaser has done a good deed. So all in all, I guess one could possibly consider when does any of these issues become an actual violation, or racial/ethnic violation? For instance, one may conclude that the ‘absence’ of an Asian male presence in the media may not be a direct violation. However, what about the more aggressive element (media jokes, mockings, etc.)? How does it affect kids? Etc.
…but that again I agree with a lot of what you stated. And of course you have experience to go along with your statements. Any possible disagreement I might have is probably more not being sure where you might stand on certain issues (and I’m not really attempting to inquire). So anything I state will have no reference to yourself at all. While it may be possible that when numbers (of Asian Americans) increase, the type of change you mentioned may occur. Of course, as it stands now, every attempt within reason exists to prevent this. As to the question; why is it that such an overt racial favoritism exists, and is only discussed in the outer regions of cyber-space, I believe is due to an over-whelming support by not only the White majority, but others who don’t see past the “keeping up appearances” surface image. Why would it be that on one hand, one can see an entrepreneurial magazine with a picture of an Asian male CEO (which is a good thing, and is evidence of the greatness of our country that you were referring to), and yet at the same time, a radio disc-jockey will do a prank phone call to an Asian restaurant, using a mock Asian accent and make sexist remarks? I suppose it’s possible for an Asian male to have a very successful, relatively prejudice free life in the U.S. (I say that hesitantly because I’m not Asian). If an Asian male has any of the ingredients often related to success (looks, wealth, charisma, etc.), or sheer determination, they can probably like anyone have a good life. However of course, there is boundaries. The basic boundaries are anything that might create a sex-appeal for the individual, and open the door for other Asian males as well (leading actors, pop musicians/singers, etc.). So on the surface, if anyone brings up racial issues concerning Asian Americans, all one need do is point to the successful examples. This can be used as a shield of sorts to cover the more below surface racism. And the more people that center their focus on the service, the longer the White dominant society can maintain it’s posture. Another plus in regards to our country along with the freedom to prosper, is to voice our opinion. So consequently, speaking out against racism involving the White male/Asian female propaganda, has to be allowed. And all the dominant White society can really do is wait it out, and hope that the majority’s support will continue. That’s why I believe that there’s really not a whole lot that can be said in opposition. The tendency here for instance seems to be to wait until the heat subsides, and then a White male may come along and state some ‘off the wall’ ranting of what Asian males should or shouldn’t do, etc., etc. And what he’s sick and tired of, etc., etc. And a site like this will not remove it’s posting feature because it must maintain the appearance that it’s open to different viewpoints. However, we can clearly see where their bias lies, in that they delete certain posts out of personal angst. And retain many posts by White males that would make Howard Stern blush. The more below surface racism directed towards Asians will often extend more to either someone who is deemed more vulnerable for some reason (a student who might be a loner, etc.), or an immigrant because any immigrant anywhere will have a level of vulnerability. This is not to say that it will only be these individuals who will make issue of the existing racism. I would say many who either possess either a physical power, or an inward presence of power that prevents them from experiencing any direct racism, or possibly never faced it for this reason, will still take issue simply because they see its existence. That being said, what consideration should be taken in regards to the individual “who is” directly targeted (teased, tormented) for being Asian? How much of the torment is a result of what’s displayed on television? Do the pictures displayed on this site, while not being directly racist, contribute to the racism that lies under the surface?
MY RULING HAS BEEN MADE.
JUDGE CHANGBERG
Your honorable Judge Changberg (Great moniker, are you an attorney?) Please clarify how this site has lost all credibility, please don’t leave the people on this forum dangling for your crisp and astute ruling sirs/ma’am. Thank you…MW.
Lucas, you made some excellent points and thanks for your professionalism and politeness with your responses. I think in general, people like maintaining the Status Quo. People like stability that the Status Quo gives them, even though, if some of these folks think about it, the Status Quo may only benefits a few individuals in a few grouping of people or surprisingly, the Status Quo benefits no one in the end. As for your question in raising the correlation between what is seen on American television being a major contributor to Asians being taunted and teased, I think it’s hard to find any substantial and concrete correlation. But it’s a possibility though. For example, if the White media in America keeps showing beauty as a White female being with a muscular White male, then I think this influences American women’s perceptions of beauty and their concept of the Status Quo.
Please exit.
Thank-you your honorable Judge Changberg…MW….
for your insight….
I guess just to post a ‘post-trial’ synopsis of sorts, what stands out to me about the practice of this website is how it correlates with ‘our’ American advertisement practices. While it’s certainly not an exclusive practice to the U.S., or the western world, we have never ceased to utilize ‘subliminal messages’ as a means to promote whatever it may be. In this case, the photos speak for themselves as to what’s being promoted here. The irony is, if you go to another blog on this site called “Asian Female Fetish Syndrome”, this is a blog that presents a somewhat ‘counter’ theme to the WM/AF theme. Yet, the photo at the top of the blog is worse than this one (in terms of a more graphic passion in the pose of the 2 individuals). The commercial/advertising industry knows full well that we are on to their practices, yet they have never let up in their practices because….it ‘still works’. We (the U.S.) advertise all over the world. We learned that a few years back, that if you send 2 Hollywood celebrities to Africa (in this case Sydney Poitier and Michael Cain), no matter how much advertising went into a particular movie shot there, the Africans will flock to the Black actor. Many didn’t even know who Michael Cain was. We know that if we promote Asian American actors, they same will more than likely take place. So consequently, Asian American born actors (as in high-profile celebrities) are non-existent save some female actors used to promote the WM/AF theme. We also advertise “The Asian Female Fetish Syndrome”, or as what many refer to as “yellow fever” to work hand in hand with the WM/AF IR theme. The principle is similar to the Budweiser Commercial where an advertising ‘think tank’ realized that for 6 months a number of people would greet one another on the phone asking; “wassssssup?”. This way, even those that had no leaning or vulnerability to the taste of Bud, would still use this phrase, and thus at some point greet someone with this vulnerability so that at 1AM he may run over to 7-11 to fix a craving planted subliminally into his mind. The Asian fetish (yellow fever) is a broader term utilized in the media. It doesn’t necessarily imply one who uses it as someone who has a sole interest in Asian women other than to meet a temporary sexual need. However, when mentioned it will hit a subliminal accord with White males more vulnerable to seeking an actual Asian mate. Most of the time I doubt any thought goes into it’s degrading sexist nature.
My overall view is, maybe if these practices can be exposed enough, maybe it can change a few Caucasian minds in terms of various manipulative practices we use. Unfortunately, it seems to get an overwhelming support from the Caucasian masses.
Right on Judge Changberg/Plaintiff Wangstein!
A belated happy New Year 2008 Lucas and thanks for your excellent post trail synopsis. I like your reference to the media as a tool to manipulates people to believe and buy into their products and I don’t think many people realize that the media’s “products” runs the gamut of physical tangible products to social products. Social products like promoting the idea of Yellow Fever in White males. Is it manipulation? Or is it just social capitalism at work? I think it’s the latter because media is just another power tool of the people in power in America to cajoles, to influence and to hopefully shapes the citizenships’ views of “how things suppose to be…”….and currently the group in power is the White males. If you don’t believe me, just take a look at the demographic make-up of congress, it’s just pretty White, with some changes, which is good, progress? Ummmh? Thus, I don’t see the media as being manipulative, rather the American media is just an extension of the thoughts and ideas of the White people in power that wants things done a certain way and hey, back to the power dynamic thing, they have power, monies, who am I to stop them? However, I do have a choice not to buy into their products, social or otherwise….You have provided some excellent examples of how people like people who looks and believe in the same things as themselves…As for me….Whatsssuppp!?…Go Patriots!!
P.S..and yes, I agreed with you Lucas that a White male being with an Asian female is perfectly fine, but then again, there will always be people with their own beliefs that things and people should “behave a certain” way….For example, I dated some White women in college and let say, it wasn’t easy getting served at restaurant….It makes you smarter and more creative, we got used to getting the worst seats and services, that I just had my White female dates go in first, order for the both of us, the “powers to bes” thought that a White man was her date and they treated her well, and when I showed up, the grouse was up, but by that time, it was too late, with me just smiling that I had bucked the “Social Status Quo of dating same same” once more….Sad? Yeah…What a man or woman do is none of our business Lucas!…I’m a big believer in minding your own business and not forcing your views on others and the Pursuit of Happiness for ALL!
I wouldn’t get too worked up over that blog you mentioned. It’s amazing how people get worked up over blogs based on a bar experience. Fred Reed did an idiotic blog based on some bar in San Diego that some seemed to want to etch into stone. As far as your backwards theory, it may be partially true. However, overall it’s far more mutual than women/girls doing the choosing. As wonderful as girls are, they don’t ‘rule’ in that context. I can say the San Diego Chargers rule as well, but where would that get me?
Some things to remember:
Your own personal taste has nothing to do with anyone else (any other female’s racial preference). Also, most, or at least many men and women have a certain amount of anger/bitterness towards the opposite sex. This can of course vary from ‘extreme’ to perhaps even ‘none’. It develops to whatever extent in different fashions (parental experiences, early dating experiences, etc.). Often times, to avoid anger against ‘all’ those of the opposite gender, some will use a race/gender (usually their own) as a scapegoat. Us (Whites) do this as much as anyone. There are countless White women who have proclaimed another race/male as ‘better’ than White men. Sometimes it’s natural preference that has nothing to do with anger/bitterness, but often enough it’s been fueled by bad experiences. Many White men have become ‘Asian women converts’. Some of them post here. They experience a bad marriage(s) with a White woman leading to divorce, end up marrying an Asian woman, and perhaps due to genuine ‘cultural’ differences become ‘Asian women converts’. Often times they feel there mission from then on is to get back at White women, and convert ‘other’ White men to the ‘Asian woman’ theme. They shift ‘all’ the blame on White women as if us White men aren’t mirrors of them. So rather than claiming ‘all’ women as bad (thus creating certain suspicions), White women become the scape goat. They can ‘laud’ all praises on Asian women. The problem is, the ‘lauding’ is not ‘unconditional’. It will last only as long as whatever cultural ‘positive’ endures (anti-feminist, anti-Western cultured, etc.).
No doubt many Asian women try to shift the blame on Asian men. While it’s true that women certainly have a strong say in who they choose (remember, it takes ‘2’ to tango), it doesn’t mean the decision is ‘not’ tainted by negative experiences from their own race (rejections, etc.).
** EVERYONE HAS IT BACKWARDS…! **
The Asian women PREFER white men.
While most men like to think they were the ones who “found”, “discovered”, “happened-upon” a woman — that is not how biology actually goes down. The woman always makes the choice. Gggrrrlll Power! Us, women make the final pick. It’s the same reason why black American women don’t tend to date white men – because black American women don’t tend to prefer white men! (That is changing, however) Asian women prefer white men.
Here’s the study:
“An Economist Goes to a Bar” (source: Slate)
http://www.slate.com/id/2177637/
Excellent points! The media is definitely as you say,an extension of the thoughts and ideas of the “White powers that be” which I thing generates itself in a cycle so that no matter what seeming changes occur, it goes back around to the same theme(s).
Incidentally, I found the scenario of your restaurant experience rather disturbing. You seem to take it extremely well. I’m sorry you would ever have to experience that.
I also agree that what ever anyone does is there business (in terms of dating). I do feel however that when an individual or organization perpetuates stereotypes, or defaming a specific race/gender, that they/it should be confronted.
“White men are shallow….”…”women makes the choice…” are all generalizations that I rather not get into because generalizations and stereotypes demean the individuals in each of us….Yeah Lucas, there are disadvantages of being a minority in any country, but we as human beings just have to recognize our places in society and adjust and work from within to make society better for everyone…Is it sad what I went through as a man trying to date women outside my race? Yes, but it’s reality that in this society, certain couplings are discouraged because of the power dynamics. Does the media have influences with people’s choices of mates? Yes, most definitely. What does it take for an Asian female to date a White male or vice versa or an Asian male to date a White female and vice versa or a beautiful Black woman dating a White male and vice versa..Social Courage and Social Maturity…The media’s juvenile influences does much to keep people in the dark about our unique and colorful individuality and diversity…In honor of one of my role models and heroes, the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr’s birthday, we as human beings must learn to see that our differences are what makes us strong as a nation, as a people, as Americans….
I am a curvy Indian girl (background India), many people have told me that I’m beautiful, but I’ve been struggling for years to be thinner (for myself). I still get noticed by many hot ethnic men, but most so called “desirable white men” have passed me up, because they prefer the more slim, athletic type of women, or would consider me if I lost “a lot of weight”. That was told to me. I’ve seen that yes, many white men are “nice” yes, but I’ve also dealt w/ racism,in college w/teachers, and other white women, men, etc. I don’t have a so called “chip” on my shoulder as these white men may say, but I have seen that many “Asian, Indian, Persian, Mixed Men”, and others which I have not dated “eg. Black, Hispanic descent”, are not nerdy, are very fit, smart, outgoing, and “sexy” as well, and (of course not all), but many of them have been very “sensitive” and have been there for me when I needed help. Thank you.
I don’t care if white males date asian women etc. I’m happy for them. I’m not saying that I wouldn’t date a white guy if he asked me out, cause some have, just not ones that I was attracted to. I go for guys I’m comfortable with who don’t expect me to be pretentious and politically correct about the “racism” that does exist in this country. I’m not generalizing, cause, yes there are “cool, down w.it etc” white men and women of course. But, I’m not going to go out w. a white guy and kiss ass to all his jealous female “white” friends who are nasty to him and tell him that I’m not good enough behind my back, because they are jealous that I have olive skin, beautiful feautures, and a higher IQ and education than them, and that I’m not a “hoochy mama” that wants a ring on her finger. Thank you.
Just take a look at one tragedy that sprouted from the “Yellow Fever” disease: http://www.modelminority.com/article552.html
Laila, thanks for your honest post, it’s hard these days in America, especially corporate America for honest and straight forward discourse on racial and gender issues, thank you…I partially agreed with you Laila per my experience with White women, now, I’m going to make sure that folks know that I’m generalizing and not talking about ALL White women, but yes from my experience, especially working in the legal profession for the past twelve past years, women, especially White women have mean streaks when they get into group and yes, I’ve seen and heard these White women work groups pick on minority women because of racial differences and yes, Laila, plain jealously…Getting back to the media, yes, the current White media does much to put White women on a pedestral, which is not right because I think all women are beautiful!…Hey Patrick, thanks for the article, scary stuff! My brief take, I don’t think this Anderson guy typifies most White males, he’s just a sick individual.
thanks mr.wang,and mr.mccain for the nice words. For clarification, since I joined in on this debate, I’m not a “hater”, and I was simply expressing an observation about certain types of woman, which quite bluntly (like mr. wang had said) exhibit the “white trash women mentality”. Yes,all kinds of women are sometimes what men call “competitive and catty” to each other when there is a guy involved, but that’s a woman thing, but sometimes it becomes racial as well. However, I did go to college and have remained friends yes, with a few gorgeous, kind,classy, cultured white women who have been open to dating ethnic men or any nice white man of their caliber. I was simply pointing out, that because I do have asian women friends (and yes some of them are w/ asian males too or white etc), that yes, I can relate to their family values, culture etc.they are not any more “submissive” than some “white trash women” who want a dominant ethnic man to protect them, buy them stuff, provide for them, and make them feel like a “princess” just like any other woman wants. I feel that this dominant-submissive porn crap has been created by perverted white men, and told by obnoxious women because they can’t get a “white guy themselves”, and I think that biologically/hormonally women aren’t made to act like ninja fighters or something, and what happens in bedroom is variable and private to the couple and no-elses fricked business. Medi-cal,includes a lot of minorities (ie. blacks, hispanicsetc) in the Los angeles area yes, but for those who don’t do their research, the majority of the medical recipients are “white people”, in certain rural areas “which I had the unfortune of living in for a shortwhile”. The media has not portrayed this correctly. Sometimes people don’t realize that people (men/women)who are opposites in certain ways often compliment each other and have a fulfilling relationship and that is really no one elses business but their own, because they are the ones putting the work in their relationship, so everyone else needs to mind their own damn business. Ciao.
Yes, Mr. Wang, thank you. Well, of course everyone wants to be treated w/ respect, dignity and have basic food/shelter/etc, that’s true. I am not god and I am not Obama, and I definetly get pissed yes, like other women, when other women (of various race, socioecomomic statuses) judge me. I’m moody, and I defn. get mad w/other women in the workplace especially, even though I can’t show it, because i don’t want to lose my job because of some wench, or because some male boss is screwing some slut. I can admit that, yes that sounds nasty, but it’s true. Yes, everyone wants to be respected, but everyone doesn’t respect other people. Not everyone just minds their own business and does their thing, people have something to say about everything and everyone and blame their problems on others, and we have to find a way to understand and function in this world w/ this evils, such as superiority complex, hatred, envy etc. Of couse, yes among people we love and trust their is warmth, but the problem is finding out how to cope in the whole world. I don’t know either, but I try my best. Just a though.
Lucas, I do agreed with you that to some effects, the status quo media does influence certain “vulnerable” individuals and thus, predisposes these “individuals” to perpetuates acts of violences against certain “individuals.” The status quo media has done much to shape the “White males” group that Asian women are submissive and exotic and “some” White males are more predisposed to acting out their “fantasies” with acts of aggression and violences like the article that Pat brought up in this discussion…Laila, I agreed with most of what you say in your recent post. From my working experience, I’ve worked with people from an array of occupations, from attorneys to doctors to blue collar folks…and after years of talking and working with these diverse groups of people, I realized that whether a person is a rich attorney/doctor or just an ordinary working stiff, everyone wants the same thing like respect as human beings, treating others like you want to be treated, food/shelter/love/family, it’s a humbling experience knowing that deep down when we scraped away all of our gender/racial differences, we are all human beings wanting the same thing out of life for ourselves and our children. For example, I think attorneys have gotten a bad rap in the media through current popular television shows that make most of them out to be cut throat profits for-hires mercenaries, but I’ve worked with attorneys for many years now and most of them, dare I say, are fair minded and earned a decent and well deserved livilihoods to provide for their families…And Laila, I think you bring up an interesting point about women being “catty” and I think just piggy backing off your comment, I think the Glass Ceiling does exists for women in this country, but in some small measures, women also help to uphold the Glass Ceiling with their constant bickerings and political in-fightings over differences, it’s just something I’ve noticed between men and women in my workplace, men don’t hold decades-long grudges, men forgive “the small stuffs” faster than most women, just from my experience, not generalizing here folks……
That’s a very disturbing article. While I agree with you Marc in that it’s very much an individual issue, I think there may be some unhealthy trends that may lead up to more of this type of disastrous event. Actually, there’s a few things I’ve taken mental note of. If race were not an issue here, the most likely scenario given the woman was married would be of a more passionate love affair (albeit adulterous) that would cause this type of aggressive act (murder). However, apparently there was ‘no’ affair whatsoever. And I truly believe there ‘wasn’t’. I think a lot of this stereotyping of Asian women as submissive, studious, etc., plus pushing the idea that there’s some kind of unique ‘bond’ between White men and Asian women (overall media, websites, etc.), is creating a delusion among some White men. What happens when a White man finds the stereotypes to be false? Eventually some White man is going to ‘act out’ aggressively when they experience rejection from someone they feel in their warped mind doesn’t have a right to. And the equally disturbing part is, that I believe that in this man’s warped mind, her ‘real’ husband had no right to her. Now again, even though the actions of this particular man was very remote, I can’t help but sense the way a number of White males that I’ve encountered in person, and on-line seem to take almost this strange colonial-like possessive attitude towards Asian women. It’s usually fairly subtle, but it seems to be there none-the-less. I remember working with a White guy and an Asian Indian girl in an office setting. The guy was somewhat reclusive, but he got this girl to go out on a date with him. He eventually quit, but I had heard he practically stocked this girl (calling her all the time, etc.). I think she didn’t show up to work because of this if I recall correctly. Getting back to the article, I do believe it was a ‘race’ related crime. I think though that it probably started out as a genuine infatuation for someone who fit his cultural stereotyping of a soft-spoken, studious person. When he realized that she (representing a concept of the Asian woman turning her affections to the western man ala “Madame Butterfly”) was beyond his grasp, it infuriated him to the extent of committing this horror.
I don’t mean to veer away from Mr. Spark’s glorious blog, but I couldn’t help but express my intrigue of the article.
Thanks Mr. Wang, for your honest, insightful remarks as well. Yes, that’s an interesting point, perhaps in foreign countries American whites are not portrayed so favorably all the time (even in Europe I bet), and that is a discrimination as well. Yes, on one hand, as minorities, we have a lot of opportunities being in America. However, the caucasion people do not really have a need to live in these ethnic countries. I myself was born in New York, and live in the Los Angeles area, and have visited India, but yet cannot reside there permanently because it’s too much of a culture shock for me, as it is for most people who have come at some point in their youth and/or lived in America for many years, and what about the African American, they have been here for generations (just like the caucasions, since colonial days, most of them, where are they going to go? and America was originally inhabitated by the Native Americans (eg. diff. tribes etc), before the whites came,so in essence all of us are immigrants,at some point. Yeh, if we are a melting pot, then ideally it should be fair, and the minorities shouldn’t have to feel like they will always be second-best to #1(caucasions) as mates, or certain type of glamour jobs etc. Honestly, about this caucasion thing, yeh, I must admit I went through that stage in high school and early college, where I thought “white guys” were so great,the prime catch. Now, I’ve matured,I see that everyone is human and has pluses and minuses, I think it’s more about compatibility and what someone is looking for. Yeh, some are very “hot”, some “ok”, as w/ any race. But going through very rough times, my attraction has changed to more of a liking for intelligence, and compassion,and yes looks too, regardless of race. Because people have different strengths and weaknesses, that’s what makes them unique. Yes, it’s just a matter of being w/ someone that appreciates you and doesn’t take you for granted, and doesn’t cheat on you, cause they can do better etc. Take Care.
Laila, thank you for your honest and lucid comments on this topic thus far, it definitely has been a pleasure to discuss topics of race and gender with rational folks like yourself, I just wish I could find more rational folks like yourself at my work (big smile, but I’m serious)…Superiority Complex is only human nature per my experience. For example, my sister’s boyfriend is this big Scottish brute (6’3″, 280lbs) and he tells her that he can “crush any smallish Asian males with his bare hands!” Well, he challenged little me (5’11”, 170lbs) to an arm wrestling match (I’m an avid weightlifter and hockey player, so I’m in good shape year round) and I beat him in all three bouts and I think he “respects” me more now that I won our “Feats of Strengths.” (big smile again)…I think it’s only natural for humans, men as well women to naturally indulges in social comparision with one another: I am taller, I am bigger, I am stronger, I am faster, I am better than you because the White media said so, because the White media constantly shows pictures of beautiful and strong athletic White folks running around kicking minority butts, so thus, I’m better than you!…I think to a large effects, the White media creates and upholds the White Superiority Complex in this country, like the Chinese media creates a Yellow Superiority Complex in China…It’s funny, I was in China two months ago on a company’s sponsored trip and I was watching their television and all of the action heroes were Asian males and not surprisingly, all of the evil doers were either White colonists or the “prototype Ugly American” or the deceptively evil Europeans…I just had to chuckled….
Laila and Jenny, it’s been a long time that I’ve spoken with intelligent and down to Earth women like you two, it’s definitely a change from the usual “catty” women that I’m used to at work, where most everthings are based on accumulating wealth and sizes matters with no substances, it’s nice. Both of your posts/comments revealed much positive attributes of your understanding of society and people, thank you for that. Amen Jenny. Amen.
Thanks Jenny,(and of course Mr. Wang too). Yes, I was just accidently surfing the internet, and somehow started blogging in this site,because of insomnia, and it was interesting to see how similar the programming and feelings I have been dealing w/ are not personal, all ethnic women deal w/them. Your are right, it’s only in the metropolitan areas like hollywood,Los angeles, New York, Miami, and certain other large cities where you see caucasion people that look like the people on TV, most of America (eg. middle America) is not that glamorous. Yet, minorities, eg. Hispanics, Blacks, etc are portrayed as fat, gluttonous),and Indians are village/rural looking, and asians as nerdy or something. However, that is a true stereotype. Yes, there is not doubt that many white men and women are exceptionally beautiful, and sometimes it’s hard to tell, because often the most attractive are mixed w/some spanish, italian, greek, persian, or russian or something, as is seen. Also, when there is a lot of money, there are resources for plastic surgery, tanning salons etc, and other stuff, so it’s hard to tell who’s natural and who’s not. Of course, I do beleive that it’s good for women to look their best, whatever is necessary, because it makes us feel good and that always help w/self-esteem etc. But, when it gets to the point of lashing out at others, etc.that’s not healthy. Also, I feel that part of the problem is the sexism and sexual abuse that is rampant in the world,and in this country, I think that affects all of us as women, and are self-esteem. Take Care, Jenny & Mr. Wang.
P.S.- I know a lot of caucasion women who think Obama is sizzing hot and sexy, just an side note, he’s got my vote anyways (because I feel that he is the best candidate, no offense to Hilary b/c she is awesome too, but he is a little more real).
Don’t let his rants fool you!
Sun Fan, your post is uncalled for sir because you’r making negative assumptions about the writer’s identity based on your subjective assessment of the writer’s post. If anything, if you read through Jenny’s post, she’s articulate and makes several valid points. I’ve worked and is currently working in the legal profession and I read/browse hundreds of pages of legal documents per week and I get a good sense of whether or not an author’s writing is “emotional” or not and Jenny’s writing is far from “angry” sir, her writing is articulate and well thought out..and…It’s “Disguise” and not spelled incorrectly as “Desguised” sir. If anything Sun Fan, from your negative short post, it appears that you are an angry white man very jealous that Jenny’s so articulate and…well, you’re not sir…
Laila – Thank you for your honest thoughts. I wish all women would see things the way you see them now. All women I mean black, white, yellow, brown or whatever. This is why sites like this is particularly dangerous. They are suppose to teach young Asian American women confidence and self identity. Instead, they rehash the same old stuff society has been preaching to us. White media has done a lot of damage to minority youth throughout this country. It is not a wonder only minority kids have to deal with identity crisis and adopt that white standard of beauty. The real truth is average white person is overweight and not attractive, but you won’t know that by watching TV. There are beautiful people in all races. I wish an magazine supposedly dedicated to Asian Americans would celebrate the beauty of Asian Americans vs. trying to put white men as the ideal mate. That’s the problem right there. IF this site would change itself to WM/AF focused site, people won’t have such issues with it. There are so many great men of color out there and they don’t get nearly the credit white men get. There are a ton of beautiful Asian men out there and they don’t get any credit on this site. Finally, white people are immigrants like everyone else. America is suppose to be about equality and all men are supposedly to be equal. It is time we are treated equally in the media portrays and everything else. We should have not have to feel bad about who we are just because we look different. Our kids should not have to feel like they have to act white just to be accepted. People should have the right to choose whoever they want to be and society needs to accept that.
In my opinion, although I’m pretty decent looking myself, I can see what all the fuss about over the asian women/white male thing. Yeh, people have often prided me on not being “too jealous,or more on the humble side” for a woman, but I guess, because Asian woman (most often) are lucky to have the slender (but not bony) figure and nice complexion, cheek bones, that is where the “sexiness comes in”,etc, in addition many (not all) are quite mild-mannered. I can see why asian men would get mad, cause they are attracted to asian women too, as well as white men. I can see also, where less white women are open to dating outside their race, like white men are. I don’t really know what goes on in their community when they do, I don’t know about today’s modern day, but in older times, I remember from my elective sociology class,that many white women were looked down upon when dating a “colored man”. Also, yes, many Indians are cool w/interacial dating, some Indian men get pissed when their sister marries a white guy, some don’t care, and some only date pretty “blondes” themselves, so it’s hard to generalize. Yes, I can see how other woman would feel like part of the dating pool is being taken,”because one race is considered hotter or better”, and on the other hand, I can sympathize w/ people being attracted to each other and being happy. We all have our own beauty, and preferences, that doesnt’ mean one race is better looking than the next. In my experience, as long as we do our best to take care of ourselves, and work w/what we have and try to keep peace (maybe via god or something) things will be ok. Ciao.
I think Sun Fan is just as surprised to imagine that there is an Asian woman out there who would speak up for Asian men. The fact that Sun Fan is one of the biggest supporters of this magazine is enough reason to prove this magazine as a stupid joke.
Asian American women magazines and books should be supported as much as Stormfronts’ handouts.
I can’t get any Asian girls so I’m going to bash a website that targets Asian American women in the hopes that an Asian girl will date me.. I’m an internet cock-block. \
I agree w/Eric I’m going to leave this site now. It’s not good to generalize, but I feel empathetic for the asian man, at least other ethnicities (hispanic, african american, middle eastern men etc) have a large number of women in their race to date. I have not found Asian men lacking, many are so smart and mild-mannered and witty as well, and many are fit, and cool too. as a woman, I’d have to be polite and not blame or generalize asian women “to not sound jealous” or something like that. It appears that this is just a site for white men to let asian women know that they are “hot commodity” in their eyes, and that they want to date them, that’s it, waste of time for me anyways. Bye Now.
I do see some positives. One of the intriguing things in regards to this racial issue, is that all the excuses are pretty much gone. I’m sure none of us were really around at the time, but just imagine what it was like “pre-Civil Rights” era. When segregation, “Whites Only” signs, etc. were commonly accepted. Eventually it must of got to the point where there was nothing more to say in regards to ‘justifying’ these practices. Although no doubt there were those who fought tooth and nail to preserve these practices, many couldn’t do anything else but draw the conclusion that these practices were immoral.
Glad I came back. Thanks Mr.McCain, I did go back and read your posts to see that you have written very “good ” posts yourself. I enjoyed the insightful words from “Mr. Wang” and Jenny as well. It’s funny, I did not go to college to study law, or politics, or psychology, I have a more technical background, but nonetheless I can see it’s important for all us to be aware of what’s going on in the world (politically,socially,economically etc), b/c this has become a global economy, and we are all affected and affect each other. I can see now, that, you are right Mr. Mcain, these days are getting more positive, where it’s not acceptable to be outright blatantly “racist” anywhere in the world, people will fight against it. So, we are improving, or at least trying to make sure that everyone is treated fairly, or moving in that direction. It appears that according to societal programming, and media that as far as power and title, the “white” man is the best catch for all women (even though they may be attracted to other races (eg. white women etc), and for men, hormonally, they make be attracted to anyone to, but it appears that “sex appeal” according to media standards is what keeps the relationships going. Take Care everyone.
I understand also, that at the same time there’s perhaps some positive signs, there’s a big battle, and it can still appear fairly bleak. No doubt there are those who want to cling to this type of racism to maintain a form of power. I remember watching part of a program on the Civil Rights recently. As you well know we’ve had a bleak history in terms of racism. During the time of the Civil Rights Movement, there were many Black-American speakers both low-key and high profile. I think what happened was, while we (the U.S.) were modernizing, gaining scientific knowledge, etc. These Black Americans had literally become experts on racism/racist/race issues. Countless numbers of White Americans came to the realization that they were completely in the dark, and a peoples who were portrayed in movies as completely ignorant displayed not only far more knowledge on the subject, they were exposing things that Americans usually blindly assumed to be ‘right’. Of course after the CRM, White racial issues experts came out of the wood work. I think there’s a lot of fear that something similar could happen again. It may be entirely different of course, but equally impactful!
See, this is where reading comprehension comes into play. Of course I’m the same person. I think that would be clearly indicated since I’m using the same handle “Eric.”
However, the problem comes into play when there are other people posting under numerous different handles of which you still dismiss as “the same person” just because they point out holes in your arguments. The fact of the matter is that you simply can’t and won’t understand another perspective unless it agrees with you.
On short, all you look for are bobbleheads that nod to whatever you say and when someone does argue with you, your rebuttal consists of nothing but buzzwords and catch phrases that resemble a high school student.
See, this is where reading comprehension comes into play. Of course I’m the same person. I think that would be clearly indicated since I’m using the same handle “Eric.”
However, the problem comes into play when there are other people posting under numerous different handles of which you still dismiss as “the same person” just because they point out holes in your arguments. The fact of the matter is that you simply can’t and won’t understand another perspective unless it agrees with you.
On short, all you look for are bobbleheads that nod to whatever you say and when someone does argue with you, your rebuttal consists of nothing but buzzwords and catch phrases that resemble a high school student.
Also, you haven’t read a word anyone has said. The argument isn’t that there are 1-2 topics or pictures, the whole magazine and website is absolutely peppered with them. Also, the rational behind the argument that Asian women are absolutely at fault for creating “Angry Asian Men” syndrome has already been proven in the fact that this type of white male worshiping behavior has been pointed out in other Asian American female publications. I’m not sure why people even addresses you or takes you seriously but then again, I think that’s the only thing that keeps traffic coming to this site. There have been many people here who have posted stupid comments and those should indeed be ignored. However, there have also been some very polite and cordial comments of which you still dismiss as trivial or stupid. Your condescension in itself proves the typical “Angry Asian Woman With An Axe To Grind.”
Laila, as a proud Asian American male in America, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your empathy and understanding, thank you, however, I don’t feel like I’m a victim of the White media making White and Black males more attractive than Asian males, I just accept that it’s the natural social dynamics of the current American societal stream of consciousness and power structures…Do I feel like White males are taking away most of my available Asian females partners? No. If Asian females want to date White males, it is their choices after all and I feel no animosity, even if their choices are warped by current media influences espousing that Whites is better than non-Whites. I’m okay with that…Lucas, I think your input on the Civil Right Movement is relevant to this discussion and I would just like to add what Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall said in the book “The Brethen” by Bob Woodward that, to paraphrase the honorable Marshall, “Legislations and laws may be passed and in the books, but it may be generations before they become the fabrics of the social norms..”….I think I’ve read that in West Virginia, there is an old law stating that a Black man can not marry a White woman still? I’ll have to check on this because I know I read this somewhere?…If you two haven’t read this book, you are really missing out!…There was this funny scene in the book where Justice Marshall was taking the elevator up to the gymnasium on the top floor and a White attorney who didn’t know who Marshall told Justice Marshall something to the effect of, “Hey boy, I’m going to the tenth floor…”….When this attorney went to argue his case before the Supreme Court and he saw Justice Marshall sitting on one of the high benches, he looked like he saw a ghost…Marshall just beamed…..
Yes thanks Mr. Wang, but I didn’t see you as a victim,actually I see that you are the type of guy who has many choices in the dating department regardless. You have a good point about the law though. The internet is great resource tool, and this internet surfing is better than television, except for the fact that I was blown away by Barack Obama’s speech this evening in South Carolina. Anyway, I looked into the history of interacial marriages in the United States (just b/c this is the biggest melting pot in the world), and found that only 40 years ago was it actually made “legal” in many states in the U.S. for whites to marry non-whites, and after that, there was a big boom in interacial marriages. I saw that in older times the Chinese male immigrants had often married African american women, but that was non a white/non-white marriage. Actually, today the largest interacial marriage is between asian women/white male, and black men/white women, and there are some white women/malew/asian/other men too. But, the majority of the U.S. population by far marries within their own race (eg. whites w/whites, and hispanis/hisp, asian/asian, etc).
The interacial thing is quite common, and more acceptable in New York, Los Angeles, and places like that, but mixed kids have problems growing up (without a sense of belonging) in most areas of rural America. Actually, yes it’s nice that there are some white men who are into having a genuine love and commitment for ethnic women, that’s very sweet, but this Asian/mult-ethnicity porn business is very humiliating and degrading, and I don’t know about other women, but I see it as racist, maybe that’s reading too much into just another form of internet trash/fun that’s out there etc. There is a stereo-type that gentlemen prefer “real blondes w/lighter eyes”/meaning (originally Sweden, nordic descent)etc as well (as being the most desirable) which I had experienessin a certain New England town I visited as well, so it’s hard to stereotype. But, if that’s true, then it would still mean, that we exotic ethnic women are notthe first choice for marriage, perhaps it’s still second-best to the “white woman”, this is a generalization, but something to ponder, I guess.
Laila, I appreciate your illuminating internet research on interracial dating and history. It’s amazing that the Civil Rights Movement was less than 60 years ago and interracial marriages were only legalized 40 years ago as you had alluded to in your previous post. Wow, that’s only like yesterday if we put this into historical perspective. You bring up an excellent valid point that non-Whites are still second choice and still considered “second best” to Whites, I don’t think it’s a generalization on your part, it’s more a reflection of the dating scene being a microcosm of the current status quo and power structure where the Whites are on top and minorites on the bottom, this may change in the near future, Senator Obama’s successful campaign thus far is a positive sign pointing in this direction. As for me, I’ve dated White, Black, Asian, and Hispanic women and I think all women are beautiful and complicated individuals and I am indebted to each one of these woman for teaching me many life’s lessons and for sharing their lives with me, if only briefly.
Sounds like an excellent book Marc!
Yes, this site appears to have been started as a asian women dating forum for white males, but I have enjoyed having intelligent debates w/Mr. Wang, and Lucas McCain. Actually, Mr. McCain, I did go back and read all of your posts and I’m quite impressed w/your liberal views and intelligent insights (you are a great guy), much more than the immature posts by certain man (it appears of white origin) making tasteless remarks about asian men trying to be a “cock-blocker” or something stupid like that, or the racist remark about the white man being discriminated against and minorites as being “racist”. Yes, we are not perfect, but all of our internal bickering, and other bickering about whites was started by (and believe me I have not read world history since high school), by the white people colonizing the third world countries (eg. India, Asian countries, Africa, South America etc), which created this “complex” in the first place. Yes, no one cares about who’s dating who, but it’s hard to live to your max potential and feel comfortable being “social animals” like Mr.Wang says, and he has described it quite well,when you are being seen for your “race first”, then who u r as a person (i mean in casual interactions). Also, the type of mental torture that the african americans faced, I’ve heard can be the caused of psychological/emotional issues that is theorized to be passed into the genes, via generations, so men of the KKK should think of this before making remarks like “minorities are prone to violence”, b/c perhaps some of their ancestors are the ones who made them violent. Thank you.
For the kind words. The feeling is mutual!
attn: the voice in your head, the post to cindy was a metaphor, or analogy to something else, but apparently you spend too much time in the gym and in the office making too much extra money to spend time reading and updating yourself and applying the skills learned in college, which also means “higher earning” and therefore “sexiness factor” to get that. I spend time on line too, and I go to work, and I do my errands, and I go out, and I look good, too,( trying to better a person too),but I chose to spend my extra down time doing something productive too, vs.going to the bar and having a drink w.guys like you look me and up down so I can prove to myself that I am “sexy”, cause that gets old really fast. Mc Cain is not flaming, and very sexy, I don’t need to see him to know that. If we all keep acting like this, all of us will keep adding to the problem, vs. the solution. Ciao
Mccain, what makes you think you’re the only white person in the world who works out? By your reply to Cindy’s comment quite a while back, that sure seems to be the impression you have. Except you seem to spend way too long at your computer slandering white people to be doing any such thing. Would it be more accurate to assume you’re really just some overweight pasty social reject who’s bitter at the success of hard-working white males with sexy foreign girlfriends, therefore needing to vent his frustrations online by saying all intercultural couples involving white males are racist?
Wait I already know the answer. I’m right. I’m always right.
The flaming is unprofitable. There’s far more important things than who’s overweight, who works our etc. Now that I admit I was wrong, you can confront her post in a much more profitable way than I did.
Cindy’s a racist bitch, ’nuff said?
Just a clarification to everyone else, I’m not here to pick up a guy, etc. But to appreciate that a good person is trying to do the right thing (b/c that takes courage and social maturity (eg. mr wang) that he doesn’t have to do. Thanks to Mr. Wang and Jenny too. It was fun debating. Take Care.
My fellow human beings, yes, we are descended from primates, yes, the very same primates that fights and squabbles over water, food, shelter and mates resources, but alas folks, we have “evolved” to human beings. I think most of us are adults on this forum, so please keep this discussion professional and I suggest that we stick to pondering answers to some excellent questions raised and making valid points, instead of degrading ourselves and others around us by “names calling” and “personal attacks.” We are better than that, respect folks is a two ways street, it’s mutual and it goes a long way in making us better individual and a better society. Thank you…MW…
Thanks Laila!
yes, mr wang you r right, haven’t reached that point yet, it makes sense that via retailiation someone will get offended, but then there is self-assertion, what do you think is the difference (balance) Please let me know w/your insights, cause that would be interesting. thanks
(smiles)…Right there Laila, there are two ways to handle individuals like Sun Fan, is he being rude? Is he being disrespectful? No, I don’t think so, he’s just trying to be funny, so ergo, thanks Sun Fan for your humorous comment…and of course, the other way is to ignore SF, but I chose not to because it’s my choice, I think SF’s just trying to “contribute” to the discussion and SF just doesn’t have any “deep” comments at this time, but hey, SF, I appreciate your honest comments. I could take it as an insult, but I’m not bro, if I wasn’t engaged to my girl, I might think about “getting to know Laila more?” Who knows? But that’s just a hypothetical question because I’m happy with my personal and professional relationships right now.
Thanks Mr. Wang for the compliment. I’m happy for you w/ your career and engagement. Yeh, you are right, SF is acting like a moron, to get kicks on this site, but that’s ok, cause maybe it will attract a variety of birds to this nest, and bring more ratings and teach some people a newthing, cause u know, people of like mind generally have more to talk about, eg. cheesy metaphor, “birds of the same feather flock together”. I like this small metaphors cause they are quicky reminder of good concepts in a busy day. This book, you mentioned sounds really good, and I do read stuff like this in my spare time, as a hobby as well. But, u bring up a good point about “women”. I think that manyinterpersonal interactions(w/has turned into racism) may have started w/ gender issues in the first place. I feel for women, b/c on one hand, we are prided for “being smart, and successful, and independent,and superwoman”, but on the other had we are put down for being,”dike-like”, or “ugly,catty,fat,stupid, whore” etc. Do we have to be perfect to get Prince Charming to love us, respect us, and be w/us forever after. Or maybe there is no Prince Charming, but a just a mutual,unconditional true-love bond between people. Yes, men in high corporate positions are not looked down upon w/ nearly as much disgust as women professionals w/get “mad” and go into flight/fight, they lose everything. Yet, it has been shown, via brain studies, that there is no difference genetically, biology between men and female as far as IQ, street smarts, talents etc, it’s variable to the individual, and the only limitations that women have are their “female” body’s in terms of “hard physical labor” jobs, but some women are firefighters and paramedics, and police officers too, and heart surgeons too, which I think is really cool, cause I’d be scared to do. Anyway, it’s interesting that beauty is subjective, when some people don’t think they are pretty, but all the girls are jealous of their beauty, some girls are great people, but guys won’t go out w/ them cause their not “sexy”, or something, and then accuse them of being jealous of “hot” women, cause the “hot women” are sleeping w/them and thus they men have something to gain by favoring them, and this is where “flight/fight anger” from us women come in.Also, some men can’t sleep w/ “hot women” and will put her down, to “ugly women” b/c they are too freaky, disgustin for her to “f” them, excuse my french. I’m not a man-hater, I’m totally straight, I know that much, b/c I have seen that their are great men who have it “going on” that will love a women for her “attitude” and not just her ass, or boobs, or legs, or sexual favors etc. I think it’s sad the we all have to play these hate games (both men and women), when all everyone wants is to be loved, admired, care for, and not be afraid of being left alone to fend for themselves etc. Take Care.
Laila, you are at that point or close to it because based on your comments, I can see that you are assertive without being disrespectful. I think the best definition came from a book my good friend and co-worker Marlene borrowed me called “The Self Assertive Book for the New Modern Woman” or some title like that, I don’t remember the exact title because I gave it back to her last year, but basically the book did a marvelous job of defining and differentiating between Agressiveness versus Assertiveness…Aggressiveness uses our emotions, most of it negative, what we would call the Fight or Flight method of dealing with problems (Physical attacks, names callings, loud yellings in responses, intimidations) and Assertiveness, where we use our “evolved” human being’s capacity for understanding another point of views and using logics, rationality, and common sense without the negative aspects to handle issues and problems effectively…We humans live in an age of modern technologies and “modern societies” but alas, the Fight and Flight mechanism are still innate in each one of us, which is still very important Laila for fending off physical attacks on the streets to protect ourselves, our families, our friends and this beautiful families, the hard part is shutting it off in an “evolved and modern human society.”….I hope that this answer your question? And raises more?….P.S…I think some people will “always” be offended no matter what the situation Laila, just do your best to be your best in a non-threatening and to understand their point of views and you know that you are doing that when you feel good about yourself at the end of the day and can look at yourself in the mirror and say that to yourself…I think I’ll throw a question out there? How do we define “Harassment?”…
I think Laila and Mr. Wang should just do each other and get it over with…tata!
Mr. Mc Cain, you have a great point, although I had to read your post 2 or 3 times to kind of see it. Yes, I had started speaking passionately about something, but then I realized that what I was talking about, not to steroeotype had been behaviors I had observed of “cocky” white males in power, or rarely some aggressive ethnic man w/a “too much androgen gene/player/sexist” excuse my stereotype “thinks he’s James Bond” gene. So, actually that is what I think you were talking about. Women are taught to beleive that the glass ceiling is something like a Donald Trump type of man, and many of lose their sensitivity to women’s issues, b/c many nice ethnic man w/ it going on, had to be humbled, cause they’ve been having to follow second fidddle to James Bond, and are often more real/sensitive, empathetic etc, such as Mr. Wang. Also, on a side note, commercials are a good way for quick and recurrent “subconsious images” to be programmed to the public to change stereotypes, good point. Thanks for your insight, mr. mc cain again, take care.
Hi Laila, Marc!
I think they ‘are’ a good thing (Asian activist groups). The positive is, they’re backed by undeniable truth when presented in a tactful/logical fashion. The more extreme methods, like anything else, will tend to highlight the ‘extreme actions’ themselves as opposed to the ‘truths’ themselves. It becomes similar to someone confessing that ‘themselves’ smoking cigarettes is bad, but they will have to make a more gradual attempt to make that change as opposed to an immediate change. Perhaps, something slightly out of their control alone.
I’ve noticed a ‘possible’ trend. It seems that TV commercials are showing more Asian men coupled with Asian women. As far as the TV industry is concerned; commercials are the main attraction, and the shows themselves are the intermission segments working ‘around’ the commercials. So one may see a single commercial portraying a White couple, then a Black couple, then an Asian or Asian American couple. This may appear to be ‘non-progressive’. Perhaps in the overall picture pertaining to restraints on IR images in the media, it is. However, it may actually be progressive in that it may be reverting ‘back’ from something worse which was to ‘not’ portray any IR coupling ‘except’ White males with Asian females which is a disparity that of course still exists in movies and television dramas.
This may be very well in fact be due to our media’s contact with Asian media ‘watch groups’. If this is true, I wouldn’t imagine there would be much explanation involved. To do so would either mean revealing ‘the whole picture’ involving racism against Asian Americans, or simply stating that many Asian men are complaining about White men being shown with Asian women. The latter would merely portray them as shallow, so it may be just as well.
So if I’m correct about this possible current trend, this may be the White dominated media at least being willing to wear a ‘nicotine patch’ by reverting back to it’s former racial safety zone, and at least give a slight impression that this would be a step forward in removing White male favoritism in the media. Of course on the downside, like nicotine addiction, it would be a tough habit to crack.
Good morning Laila and Lucas, what the both of you alluded to in your interesting comments is what my co-worker and the IT Manager (and my tennis doubles partner) Andy calls “The Human Conditions.” I’ll elaborate on this some more and address several fascinating points that the both of you raised when I get back from Reno in three days! I have to take a quick weekend trip out of the busy city to get some desert relief to recharge my batteries…I wish you both a Happy Chinese New Year!
TO TROY:
You can shut up and stop whining about racism, because you’d go through 100 Asian womens’ profiles before you’d date a Black woman.
So stop your drooling and whining and go back to your corner.
first of all, rrr is hilarious! I feel that hot african american women, like asian men often get cheated in the dating pool as well. But, honestly mcain, I did not understand what you said about “asian activ, nicotine patch?” at all, can you please clarify. Thanks.
No problem Laila! Thanks for asking. Commercials tend to play a bit more in the safety zone (except during the Super Bowl) than movies and TV shows do. Where a movie may have had a controversial IR representation, commercials would generally not venture into that arena. There was a tendency to pretty much avoid IR imaging. Somewhat recently, it seemed that TV commercials would show Asian women with White men. Although it may have been adventurous, it was ‘not’ progressive. To have been progressive would have entailed portraying ‘other’ IRs (Asian men with White women, Black women with White or Asian men, Black men with White or Asian women, etc.). We do see these in the movies (except of course Asian men and White women), but not in TV ads. So more than likely the apparent adventurous undertaking of portraying Asian women with White men one can say possessed ulterior motives. There are most certainly Asian American media watch groups who voice their disapproval of things like stereotypes and perpetuating Asian female fetishism. I would feel safe to say that we have been able to see a certain amount of result of this (apologies by media folk for various ethnic jokes/slanders, etc.). It does seem that the White male/Asian female image has been curiously absent as of late in TV commercials. I say that somewhat hesitantly because I really don’t watch as much TV as it may seem. But, nonetheless, if the trend had continued on I think it would be fairly recognizable. My feeling is that this may have been halted due to various media outlets’ contact with Asian media watch groups. The analogy of the cigarette meant that for the White dominated media to ‘quit’ cold-turkey would represent a complete ‘change’ in how non-White races, or more specifically Asians (and even more specifically Asian males) are portrayed in ‘all’ avenues of media (including movies). However, due to the difficult task of quitting nicotine, perhaps by the media ‘at least’ removing the White male/Asian female image from commercial ads, they’ve done the equivalent of donning ‘nicotine patches’. It’s a sign that on the one hand the addiction of money is too strong to attempt ‘racial fairness’, but they will wear a nicotine patch (sacrifice the affections of the sub-culture of White men dedicated to the cause of finding an Asian woman) by removing the image from commercials (although not from movies and TV shows). This concept without looking at the issue’s roots would give one the appearance that TV commercials are ‘digressing’. Without understanding the disparity issue, one would look unfavorably on this kind of change that may have been influenced by Asian media watch groups. Incidentally, we all got a glimpse of our society’s ‘animosity’ towards the ‘East’ on Super Bowl Sunday. Salegenie.com did 2 blatantly racist commercials. One targeted towards Chinese, and one towards Asian Indians. This was ‘not’ accidental (or out of complete ignorance not knowing what they were doing). They were attempting to gain national attention by winning a ‘worse Super Bowl commercial’ award. At the same time, I think it was a message stating that the animosity is still very much alive. Anyway, I hope that clears that up a bit.
thanks lucas, this is insightful and good info, but still a little depressing, but progression takes time and we must all try to stay positive somehow, right?
oh now it looks like we got a 3 some brewing. Laila, Lucas and Marc…go on girl!
Every races, the Caucasians, the Russians, the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Indians, the Eyptians, every races have adhered to what my buddy Andy calls the “Human Conditions.”…What is the H-Condition? Well…1. Humans are social animals and likes people like themselves, thus, the myriads of wars throughout humankind’s history, look at the Chinese, they got more dynasties and conflicts than the Patriots have superbowls!…2. Humans are social animals that likes to dominate other people, especiall people different than themselves in terms of race, looks, beliefs, and ect..and 3. If humans don’t understand something, have nothing to add, humans generally make fun of that something, be it other people or their beliefs…That in a nutshell is the Human Condition and Sun Fanny’s a Prime Example…His sarcastic sexual juvenile sense of humor tells much about him/her as a person…It’s good to be back from the little big city of Reno! I can’t stay too long, I would end up gambling my life’s savings away…alas, I am also human and very much subjectd to the twists and turns of the Human Conditions….Lucas, I love your Nicotine Patch analogy, never thought of using that as an example of how slowly race relations moves in the world….Laila, thanks for your honest discourse and empathy!…It’s good to be back in the big city!
So Mr. Wang how was the legalized prostitution in Reno. We know that was the real reason you “couldn’t stay too long” hahahahahaha!
Thank you members of the jury for your time and service, you provide a valuable service, thanks, you may be excused…
Glad you had a good time. In relation to your interesting comments on the human conditions; in your opinion, where do you think religions and the more humanitarian agendas came in? When I include ‘religion’ in the question, I’m somewhat trying to ‘exclude’ religious wars. Although I understand that that could be a part of your equation. Anyway, just curious. Take care.
I think there’s certainly a lot of the bad. I think one of the keys in religion that separates itself from authentic spirituality (along with the more humanitarian element) is the idea that one must ‘join’ something (church or organization), or give something to, to attain the preferred after-life. I do however believe in a spiritual realm, and God. There’s certain things like the after-life that science can’t explain. Even in the more ‘natural’ realm (space) there’s a puzzlement. Basically, the universe. I heard someone speak on that referring to ‘endlessness’, and how we logically have to conclude it was ‘endless’ as oppose to ending at a wall. On Earth, we can pretty much measure or size-up everything else. However, endless space presents a problem. If it’s endless in the natural sense, this presents a problem of Earthly logic in terms of measurement. If it’s endless in a more physical and spiritual combined sense (having a creator), this is beyond physical natural science. If it ends at a wall, this also presents an extreme problem outside of our general natural scientific understanding. As far as God, and in relation to ‘races/ethnicities’, I think there’s a similarity with the neighborhood cat man/lady/person. It’s not uncommon for neighborhoods to have an individual sort of take it upon themselves to ‘rescue’ or ‘feed’ neighborhood stray cats. It never matters what ‘breed'(like race/ethnicity) of cat it is, or how they look. They can be completely ‘mangy’, and the cat person will seem to have this ‘unbiased’ view of the cat in relation to others they are feeding/rescuing. If a priss and prim beautiful adorned 5th avenue cat were to become ‘lost’, and thus ‘stray’ (like a wealthy man at the end of his rope), the cat person would take the same view of the cat as the others as opposed to thinking the cat is getting what they deserve.
Thanks Lucas…Like your Nicotine Patch analogy to the slow progress of Race Relations in the U.S, Religion is actually major part of the Human Condition. Religion is Good and Bad. People created Religion to separate themselves into different groups with different religion for group’s association, survival and dominance over other groups. Religion as you know was a social tool used by slaves in America to deal with the harshness of slave labor. I think Religion is a good thing because it is a Social Tool that some people uses to help define who they are and how they should live, but I also think religion is a major divider of people (many wars are caused by religious differences, for example, the Crusades, the present situation in the Middle East) and the results are usually armed conflicts…Take abortion for example, which I’ll get into later…What’s your take on this Lucas? Laila? Others? Thanks…
Hello Mr. Wang and Lucas, sorry about the absence, just caught up on the posts. Yeh, I got busy w/work etc. as well. Yes, these are very interesting posts, by both of you guys, yes. Well, yes, it is interesting, I also believe in the universal god concept, meaning all that is energy radiating everywhere and there is no real time here, just like Hawkins, and wayne dayer, and many other religions have summed up, (in my opinion), it’s all just this spiritual energy, and we are creating our reality w/ our attitudes and decision, but none of us are perfect that is the whole point, to learn and grow, and fix the karma or whatever you may call it, b/c the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over w/out learning, that is all anyone can expect, it’s not easy, we trip and fall,but yes, I don’t believe we are a race, or a “defined” title like the world tells us, we are all souls.But, yes according to the Human Condition, like Mr. Wang says, we have “learned behaviors” and beliefs and stereotypes and that has passed down since the beginning of time. Many people are born into a situation,and they aren’t taught better, cause of upringing, and it’s sad, b/c when the home front is unsteady, it takes a incredibly remarkable being to overcome that, of couse no one has a perfect home,work, or any life, everyone has suffered b/c that has been the state of the world for thousands of years, w/ bits of positivity and things to feel positive about from souls throughout history. Obama is not god, yes, but he is about “change” and not promoting the “victim” mentality that all of us have been taught, some without knowing it. From my own experience, I have to practice not to make judgements, b/c everyone has something special or many different talents, and Mr. Wang is right, the only thing to do is not let people push your buttons so you will feel good about yourself regardless of how the rest of the people take it. Also, I find that most people will react kindly if you show kindness first. Unfortunately, I hate to be so blunt about this, but the problem among women is that it’s hard to find the “stereotype” prince charming, which according to the media is “Brad Pitt” or Matthew Mccohhgay, or George Clooney or something, and that creates competition among all kinds of women who are searching for that, and these type of men know it and use it to their advantage and many become players b/c they can, and that is why people get mad b/c all the “cowboys” are marrying girls that aren’t good enough, like them or whatever. Take Care everyone. No accusations, I personally have my own hollywood favorites as well.
One more point to add, cause I just reread mr. luca’s post and had to read again, but there is a lot of double meaning, and quite interesting…I’m still not 100% percent clear about catman/lady etc,and the energy thing is brilliant. Also, one more point to add here, is that I feel that good men, any race appreciate inner beauty,esp. in white women, in addition to other races, cause there is not doubt outer beauty exists there in many cases, that’s no even a question, that’s not media brain wash. But, in defense of gorgeous ethnicwomen (eg. Aish rai), I’d have to say that there are certain cases, many in fact, where there are abusive ethnic men, and the set-up is not healthy and not fair to the woman, this occurs in every ethnicity, white, black, hispanic, yellow, purple whatever, domestic abuse is not acceptable for the wife, and espe. not for the emotional trauma on the children that is very damaging. Bottom line, can’t stereotype. America is a melting pot, and yes often there is real love and respect and appreciation for bold, independent, strong women who are not too-traditional, but yes, that is not specific to race. Also, just b/c a gorgeous woman does not want to have sexual relations w/ any man over another man, does not make her “racist”,her sexuality is her choice. But, I agree every man/woman should be treated w/respect and not made fun of for kicks,that’s immature and not really funny, Have a happy V-day everyone!
For all of you who think the author is full of B.S., perhaps you are right. Us Asians are just too unattractive for normal minded White people to date us.
I guess you just can’t win either way; you are racist if you do not find Asians attractive and you are still a racist if you do.
To try and tie in my ‘cat person’ scenario with some of your points in regards to race/beauty, I will explain it as I personally view ‘God’. There’s somewhat of a common practice of relating or comparing ‘God’ to humans represented in different levels of life, be it status or profession (king, judge, in both cases preferably ‘just’). Sometimes the comparison may be with someone relatively ‘lowly’ by social standards. I’ve seen a couple of cases, but I know it’s fairly common for someone to become somewhat of a ‘missionary’ for stray cats. Often times they are elderly and perhaps lonely individuals. Unlike someone who goes to a pet shop to buy a specific breed like a ‘Siamese’, ‘Burmese’ or ‘Tabby’, the specific breed of the cats they feed or take in on a ‘rescue mission’ is entirely irrelevant. When they encounter the big eyes and ‘meowing’ out of hunger, that’s all the ‘cat person’ needs to see and hear. It doesn’t matter what ‘breed’ they are, and it doesn’t matter if they’re ‘cute’ or not, or are missing an eye. For ‘God’ to reject or show favoritism to someone because of their ‘race/ethnicity’, or how they look, would be something like the neighborhood ‘cat person’ deciding to ‘not’ feed a cat because it’s a ‘Calico’ instead of a ‘Siamese’. Or deciding not to feed a specific cat because it’s just not cute enough.
Sorry Laila. I didn’t have enough time to finish this morning. I realize you asked a question on what I had meant, and you brought up an interesting point about ethnicities (Irish, Jews). The ideal situation in my opinion in the U.S. is that interracial marriages should be a non-issue just as it currently is for an ethnic Italian American to marry an ethnic Swedish American. Normally when two White American individuals marry, very little thought is given to their European background. However, we divide our ethnicities statistically according to ‘race only’ unlike European countries where it’s broken down to literal Euro ethnicities. The racial dividing lines have always existed, but the dilemma occurs when a attraction/fad develops for the female gender of a given ‘other’ race. This happened earlier in American history with mulatto women. Because of the ‘one drop rule’, a mulatto woman, no matter how beautiful was still classified as a ‘Black woman’. Since rich White men didn’t want to marry them, they were often sold as ‘love slaves’. This way the rich White men could fulfill their sexual desires for them without making them equal status. They were pretty much ‘the’ exotic women of that time. Today, a similar situation exists with Asian women. This is probably why many White males feel the need to justify their dating habits with Asian females by emphasizing that they don’t have a fetish, or are ‘not’ rejected by White women, etc. Most of them probably have a realization that our society (like through the media) sexualizes them. This ‘sexualizing’ has caused some White males to ‘defend’ them by emphasizing their cultural qualities, educational attributes, etc. in an attempt to ward off the more ‘negative’ stereotypes that lean toward promiscuity. The problem is, all this energy goes into establishing the Asian woman, and none of it goes into creating an equal balance in favor of Asian males by eliminating the negative stereotypes we push. If we were truly a secure society, we would eliminate our self-racial promotional trends. If this were to really happen, maybe interracial marriages would truly be the equivalent to a Euro-American marriage where the ethnic background is generally overlooked.
Hi Laila. Yes, I would say that the “WPP” certainly exists. It may not directly exist in non-White nations in terms of overall sentiment, but politics (global power) and/or Hollywood (Western influence) is pushed everywhere. It can certainly be well argued that movies in non-White countries will more than likely ‘boost’ their race/ethnicity by portraying themselves as heroic, and White men as being evil. Japanese sci-fi movies from the 50’s did this as an example. The tendency however in the U.S. has been to degrade common ethnic citizens (minority groups) who have had well established residency. In the case of Asian Americans, the American media has created a ‘riff’ of sorts between their genders. This, as far as I know has never been ‘commonly’ practiced in ‘non-White’ societies (against Whites). Someone recently stated to me that since Asians only represent a small percentage in the U.S., the format in which Asians are represented is fair. However, on the contrary to this statement, irregardless of percentages and what is practiced in other societies, wrong is wrong. And we also have to consider the fact that Hollywood gets the biggest global push of all. Another question to ask is; just how influential is the media? For instance, are Hollywood movies and it’s influence ‘praised’ only when convenient, and ‘downplayed’ when convenient? For instance, when it comes to stereotypes, emasculation, and disparities involving non-White races, statements are made to the effect that they’re ‘only’ movies and should be overlooked or not taken seriously. On the other hand, grandiose comments are made towards directors, producers, actors, etc. that almost seem to place them as a god. Huge ceremonies/awards are broad casted yearly. There’s literally a “most influential movies” list. So either, it’s influential, or it’s not. If it can influence for the good, it can certainly influence for the bad.
Wow, Lucas, that was a fabulous explanation, something that truly confused me, and really something new to learn. I usually do my reading and blog (only this time) at night before sleeping to relax etc after the days activities, either people I find are “morning”meditators, in my case, evening. Well, yes. Mr. Wang has soo much insight too, but it’s different actually coming from a caucasion person, b/c it’s hard for people to see things clearly w/out experiencing it first hand, for certain things, that’s why hard times etc. may have seemed so tragic to me and “woe is me” before, but now, like many others of course,w/ the world the way it is (w/sooo many more horrific, crippling, physically and emotionally tragedies), I count my blessings for my health etc, and accomplishments when I feel bad to see that there soo much more pain out there, and take my own as a gift, to learn and grow, etc. Also, you are right about the “package” etc and appearances of things. Yes, “Halle Berre” is a token media icon in a sense, b/c she very gorgeous, but although she is a mulatto, like Obama, they are still classifed as “black americans”. I started reading some history as a hobby and I’ve learned to understand the present more b/c history repeats itself often. Also, yes the European immigrants due have a more “underground” special spot vs. the hatred for other foreigners from all non-white continents etc. There was a lot of hatred and cruel and inhuman treatment of Jewish people at the time of the holocaust and w/the Irish and British,scotish wars etc.However, after world war II, it’s still consistent the colonized nations etc (various non-anglo saxo ethnicities) have still been considered inferior, and that has not changed. The media tries to promote this w/also being politically correct at the same time. Many people who come later on to work in the U.S. for the great opportunities contribute to society w/taxes and helping the economy, profession, but decide to go back to their country b/c they are very rich there and treated w/more respect, and even when many caucasions go to India etc they are treated like kings and queens and not looked down upon, like diff. ethicities immig. to Europe etc. Another method is divide and conquer, to creae the complex for minorities to compete w/ one another for acceptance to permeate the glass ceiling etc idea. I find that some of the animosity (not in every case) from some white women is the feeling of entitlement that they should get all the attention and success, usually w/ the ones who have insecurities, not everyone, not the women who know me on a daily basis. Many ethnic women experience this/ and have to wear a mask as well, b/c reacting to this in a bad way, b/c of white privelege creates more serious consequences for us, vs. other things. Often women are just minding their own business etc. but it is taken as “competing” w/ them, and that is due to the ingrained notion of “entitlement” that has pervaded. w/men too, as long as you are below, they are ok w/you.This is not everyone, but “white privelege phenomenon”, that has been passed down subconscioulsy, and people are workig for change, so that is good. Also, yes, so many women are raped and tortured all over the world throughout the world and it’s not even mentioned in the media, but when a “caucasion” women is assaulted by a colored man of any type, the news is all over the place, and immmediately an arrest warrent is out etc. This sounds controversial, but thanks Mr. Mc Cain for speaking out, U r awesome,and are really blessed. Also, another thing I’ve found is that the package doesn’t tell the whole story, for instance soap operas, serials, glamourize male “Doctors” and “Surgeons” (I’m not one, but can’t tell my profession due my own privacy), but have seen that that is a real stereotype b/c doctors are real people, not demigods, they work long hours and sometimes get moody, which is understandable,and yes, have their specific skills but may not have other skills, but yet are mediazed like certain top business exect. and lawyers be the “prime” mate canditate for women. But often, due to their position cannot provide family time, faithfulness, or maybe simply have same soul specific chemistry that may be in another man,it’s all relative. Take Care Lucas.
Yes,Lucas, I’m seeing more beneath the outer layer into more of what you are quite humbly delving into, which correct me, if I’m wrong, “The White Privelege Phenomenon”.
It seems like your kind of saying that some white men date ethnic women, even marry the, etc. to feel kind of like redeemed “in the spiritual sense” and really don’t differentiate cause all the minority women (eg. black,hispanic, indian,asian, persian,etc,mixed) are really the same as far as the goal is concerned, and they know offhand most of the time, that they won’t be rejected and some would be shocked if they were. I think that is what you are saying. But, then that would mean that apparently all relations w/white men (cause I’m assuming the caucasian woman/ethnic man is not included here) is kind of racist??? Don’t know. Also, yes,bluntly, we all know that all ethnics even irish, jews, have had stereotypes, and there is the low class stereotype about black,hispanics, but then there is the frustration about outsourcing to asian countries as well, etc. Please clarify, take care mc cain.
Hi Laila and Lucas, nice posts!…Lots of intriguing comments that invites some interesting discourse…To answer your question about the social progress of integration, it’s definitely a “work in progress.” I have been working in the law sphere for awhile now and I think what those supreme court judges in book “The Brethen” said that the law takes time (like decades, generations?) to catch up to social progress, this basically means that it takes law many many years to even begin to shape society’s morals and beliefs.
Mr. Wang, are you there? Perhaps you can join in after the weekend is over. I’m glad, at first I thought this was just another myspace site, or on-line chat to pick up people, which is a waste of time, but it’s fun to have good debates. Mr. Wang, what is your take on the social progress of integration, I almost feel in metro areas, that it’s become more about glamour discrimination vs. ethnic etc. (almost), more like the programming of the values in the area, it appears that any man or woman of any race who doesn’t fit in as much, due to media expectations will get discriminated, w/men theirs more of an edge w/ the dating people if they have money, power, success, w/women yes, a good head on their shoulders is a plus, but the ultimate edge is “looks”. In fact, women who are considered “hot”, although (yes, do have to deal w/some envy from other women,etc), do have given benefits, w/ men, b/c of men’s weakness (esp. slimy ones) for physical beauty, throughout time, there has been an obsession w/ “sex appeal”, and women who are often quite intellegent, but even just average or slightly below don’t get these perks. Comments?
Hi Lucas (sorry it’s hard for to part your name together w. mccain), how are you guys. Hi Mr. Wang. I just watched Sen. Obama’s speech in Texas, and of course it blow everyone away, he is definetly gifted and is not just a charming speaker, but a doer as well. I hope he at least wins for the democratic candidate and then it will really get interesting and exciting to watch the debates. As far as Hillary, I had respect for her before and thought that she was really cool, I still think she is sort of a decent personinside and very intelligent, of course, but too power hungry, and too into “winning” vs. “humanitarian ideals” etc, like many other politicians, who are gifted in manipulation skills to monopolize the votes, and some men need to grow up and vote for polices vs. “sexiness” etc, but that’s not screened at the polling center.
Anyway, I think change is going to happen sooner now. I believe that there are so many nice people out there, and being “humble” like sen. obama, after the rags to riches accomp. is a strength vs. weakness, and more power, b/c I have to often stop myself from getting an attitude at my accomplishments and try not to react to other people’s defensiveness, and I have not the “show the other cheek” point like Obama, I often tell people to “f”off assertiverly and mildy, but the feeling of frustration/animosity is still there, and often I don’t care, that’s the bad thing. Hats off to him, for his level of spiritual advancement.
Thank you both and best wishes for a prosperous 2008. Obama is the new face of Change and he has a good chance of being the first African American president…It’s bout’ time…Hilary Clinton has a good chance as well, but she has too much “wrong” history and an overly strong personality…Peace.
thanks for the discussion lucas and mr.wang, I’m leaving this site, I don’t feel that there is any preference for asian women or asian women are any better looking etc than any other women, and this is the wrong site for me to be having discussions about life, but the points made by lucas and mr. wang were great, and I wish them and everyone else well. CIAO.
well i’m asian and only attracted to caucasian guys…on rare occasions i find asian men attractive…i think people are born like that when it comes to who you are attracted to..
one thing i don’t like is that most white men perceive asian women as more of an object/ a toy…i think it’s stupid…
I don’t have a problem with asian guys dating white chicks…people can date which ever race they want, there are bad guys in every race…that doesnt make me a “dumbass sellout slut” some of you are just way too skeptical and racist
We have offered all the Asian Men who have written into the site, an opportunity to write an article on behalf of the Asian Man.. No one has wanted to do it.. William Lee, if you or anyone else is interested in writing a rebuttal to this article or an article on an Asian Man’s perspective, please write staff@asiancemagazine.com. Thank you.
We do have some interesting articles coming up on dating Asian Men.
Ok, I am an Asian American male myself and have no qualms about interracial dating. where is the voice for Asian American men? We have this featured article intended to help shatter some stereotypes about White mens and their preference to date Asian American women. But where is the Asian American men side of it?
1st point: Are AA men silenced?
There are so many quotes and articles about AA women criticizing AA men in terms of physical and emotional attributes. But why is there no coverage about how AA men feel about it? Where do we respond? Do we really not voice our opinion or just not given the opportunity to?
2nd point: It is not wrong for AA men to be angry
Statistically, AA women date or marry outside their race at the highest level among all ethnic groups. African American women and AA men have the lowest marriage rates. Clearly there are issues such as: media, culture, identity, and lack of alliances between AA men and women. It is only natural that AA men are not happy with this. If it was the other way around for AA females, should we shove down their throats about being open-minded? And how about having White females dating/marrying outside their race at the highest level. No doubt there would be some unpleasant responses from White men.
3rd point: If I am open minded, then I should expect the same from White men.
White men contribute greatly to stereotypes of AA men. Yes AA men reinforces stereotypes too, but there are more outside factors that reinforces it. In the media, online, every media outlet that brings up the topic of AA men, we get slammed, stereotyped and how we aren’t competition. Personally, I have encountered countless racial attacks from White males on the streets and at school. But for the AA females, its not as common. Now do I scurry and hide from those attacks? NO, in fact I voice even louder that I will not tolerate the racial attacks.
4th point: What can AA men do?
We need to better ourselves before hoping that someone else will. We need a space to talk. Workshops or meetings just for AA men. And we can try to address issues that reinforce stereotypes. How can we improve ourselves? What do AA women want or expect in men. How can we be more sexually appealing? Do we need to boost our self confidence? How should we vocalize voice? How should we balance our dual identity of Asian descent and American culture? These are the questions us men need to ask ourselves and with the help of AA females.
5th point: Alliance with AA females
AA men need to make alliances with AA females instead of attacking them. AA women are the closest opposites we have. They are our equals, and if anything, we need them the most in fight. We can have joint group discussions about what AA males can do to be more competitive. Share our perspective about same-race and interracial dating/marriages. Together we can educate ourselves and downplay many stereotypes.
too little, too late…
only now you decide to go pro-asian-man?? it is so obvious that you’ve been deluged with complaint after complaint and perhaps some client has seen your dispicable website and complained, that only now you decide it’s time to back-pedal to placate your corrupted souls.
Food for thought
Our White American society on the one hand gives full ‘minority status’ to Asian-Americans, and yet uses demographics to attempt to incorporate them into our life-styles, philosophies, values, etc. While considered a racial minority, our media’s/society’s goal has been to take away their racial individuality. For instance, if we look at our movies, you will find Black and Hispanic male actors playing leading romantic roles, heroic action roles, etc. Although there are Asian males in leading action roles; they’re generally from overseas. On TV shows, you will find programs depicting Black families, and even Hispanic families. This is ‘not’ because of a lack of racist sentiment towards Black-Americans and Hispanic-Americans. It’s an issue of ‘demographics’. The media capitalizes on their specific markets. Just as they target age groups, they target and capitalize on these racial groups. This is largely due to the fact that there are far more profound Black and Hispanic communities separate from White communities. Asian-Americans generally assimilate into White communities. There are some Asian communities; but generally specific Asian ethnic enclaves are more business districts than residential. The media has realized for instance that they can capitalize on promoting someone like Billy Dee Williams to attract Black female viewers. They haven’t seen the need to promote the Asian male equivalent to Billy Dee Williams to attract the Asian female. In reality of course, they obviously want to avoid it. So, although Asians are considered a racial minority, they’re targeted demographically the same as Whites. It’s assumed that whatever White male sex symbol is pushed in the media, not only will he be embraced by the Asian female, he will be fully accepted by the Asian male. So, you never see TV shows depicting Asian families. It’s assumed that Asian-Americans will embrace the programs depicting White families. And if an Asian family is from overseas; they always have international channels to cater to those particular families. This can be seen as either a ‘price to pay’ for their relative close proximity residentially, scholastically, etc. Or maybe a possible pay back of sorts. Either way, it’s a method of keeping White Americans at the top.
Now the magazine is giving you an opportunity to write an article, yet you’re a pussy and refuse, and then call Asian women whoriental cunts…I mean come on…Are you serious? No wonder asian girls or ANY girl obviously doesn’t give you the time of day…Get a life lOSER!
Yet some are so white-washed they seem to forget when they bash Asian men. Or even worse, they don’t care.
I can’t think of another race of woman who are more obsessed with White guys than Asian females. I cant think of another race of woman who degrade thier men more than Asian woman. Finally I wonder how Asian woman feel about thier half asian half white son’s. In thier eyes do they think the kid is better now that he has white blood? Well, what if his Asian side sticks out more? Will he have to go through the same experiences that Asian men are going through? I know one thing for certain being a hapa is not easy.
-Jenny
Where did anyone or I state that we refuse to the opportunity to write an article? And where is the whoriental cunts part? You should really quote someone because your comment is full of holes. I hope you are not a troll trying to tip the balance some more.
By the way, I just contacted the Asiance Magazine staff and would like to take the opportunity to write an article from the Asian American male’s perspective. And no, it will not bash our female counterparts. I am not internally racist.
-William
The magazine must have deleted the comment. The guy said something like oh now this dumb magazine wants to hear from a man, dumb whoriental c*nts. I’m actually looking foward to your article.
I really have to question this. Not to say none of them do of course. Someone in an earlier post, either in this blog or another one at this site made such a comment. He basically attacked what appeared to be an Asian female who’s tone in her post sounded a bit as one in distress. He told her that her comments were border line illegal, and that she would possibly have to pay for them in the future because certain laws would eventually be passed. He went on to say that he was one who would help produce these type of laws (whatever they may be), and that many men in power like/love/appreciate Asian women. All the woman really did was express a dissatisfaction of sexism towards Asian women. Naturally, the man’s post sounds bogus, but if there’s any truth to White men and “White men in power” appreciating Asian women, there’s a huge contradiction. On the contrary, all signs point to the majority of the interest either being a fetish, and/or a tremendous disrespect for Asia, Asians, and Asian culture. If there was some sort of real genuine appreciation for Asian women, there would be an appreciation of the entire package (cultural heritage, ancestry, etc.). The media problem of stereotyping and degrading the image of Asian males would not exist. What some White men claim is that there’s something ‘unique’ and ‘alluring’ about the cultural traits of an Asian women that’s absent in White western women. Let’s just say this is true for argument’s sake. Even so, our White women are an exact mirror of ‘us’. There’s absolutely ‘nothing’ we’ve got over our own women whether it be cultural, physical, etc. The tendency is to place all the blame on ‘them’ (White women). At the same time that this practice of devaluing White women occurs, the act of attempting to devalue the Asian man occurs. The tendency is to create the idea that the cultural virtues of an Asian woman is born out of ‘oppression’ or ‘something negative’ in a male dominated Asian society. The notion is created that their (Asian women’s) ‘positive’ was created out of a ‘negative’ (Asian male dominated society). The idea that is highly rejected is that perhaps whatever positive virtues may exist culturally among Asian women, came as a result of a ‘positive’. If the idea that positive cultural attributes of Asian females originated as a result of a positive aspect from Asian male cultural influence were embraced, Asian male degradation/stereotyping would be non existent. It wouldn’t be tolerated. Consider all programming that comes under public scrutiny and are either changed, eliminated, or never broad casted because of public demand. If this type of public demand existed for this and any other racial/ethnic stereotype to come under scrutiny, there would be no other choice but its elimination. Instead, the tendency seems more of a ‘kidnapping’ practiced by some White men, to lure away Asian women from their real heritage. This is where the role of the ‘White male savior’ is played out. I say that this is the ultimate in disrespect!
Are you really a white dude? No white man would defend the Asian man like you do. 🙂
I am actually a White man. As far as other White men having similar sentiments, I wish I could say I know of many others, but I don’t. The most receptive non-Asian individuals I’ve personally run across were women (both Black and White). But I believe that there are other White men out there as well that take the same or similar views. I have actually seen some cases where a White male’s receptiveness may have come about as a result of first witnessing other White men bashing White women, and thus praising Asian women. As a result, they may have looked further into the issue, and made discoveries that they may very well never would have. As blatant and obvious as the stereotype problem is, there’s a continual media ‘masking’. There’s plenty of world events to point at where ethnic groups are facing turmoils that grabs everyone’s attention. So yes, it will generally take the efforts of many White men to look into the situation to see the racism. The problem of course here is that many don’t want to. I do think there are others who have noticed the problem from the surface, and by looking into it received further confirmations.
http://asiancemagazine.com/mar_2008/a_few_good_asian_men
Jay posted my situation to a T. I am also a white male, fit, and successful. I am his same age. I haven’t married yet, but am still dating. I didn’t have the same episode on a bus, but at some point in college I had this heavy attraction towards asian girls. It was like the world fell away around her, as he said. It felt like a biological and emotional match.
It was like not being able to breathe after awhile(I ignored it). I tried to brush it off, because I knew from my asian male friends that asian people as a culture are probably the most racist people on the planet. They weren’t even embarrassed about it, unlike white people. Their parents would tell you so without blinking and then offer you some tea. That bizarreness I could do without. But still, the feelings persisted.
So I tried to ignore it. It didn’t work. Not because I’m weak-willed or a fickle horndog, but it seemed asian girls were really attracted to me as well. The ones I liked, liked me in equal measure. Imagine that. It was nothing strange, it was just like… I don’t know how to describe it. It was like coming home. It was comfortable, with no pointless BS. I found the asian girls that I dated ended up lasting in a relationship for years. I couldn’t get married that young because well, it’s dumb. So, at some point at the end of college I came to terms my biology and realized who I was and where I needed to be to get there.
So I have been working hard, passed the 6 figure range, and have time to spend and build a proper life with someone. In all likelihood I’ll marry an asian girl. I can now cope with the idiot comments like the ones above. How do you explain to people how the sun feels on your skin when they’ve never felt it. They chaulk it up to anything other than what it is. It’s just unconditional love with a double dose of attraction to boot. Not a bad way to spend you life, even if you tick off a white girl and asian guy every once in awhile. It’s not bad at all. Thanks again Jay. Good luck to you. I hope you find the right woman. Wish me luck as well.
JAG
Guess now it’s safe to say that Lucas McCain IS an Asian dude! He’s a scorned Asian Man disguised as a white..TOOL!
You should try an experimentation. Find a White male/Asian female oriented dating website. Get into a long back and forth emailing routine without showing your picture. Give the whole nine yards (6 figure income, what university you graduated from, etc.). After a given period of time, send an email stating that you’re ‘not’ White. After all, wouldn’t it be nice to know your skin color didn’t really matter? I actually heard about something similar happening. Once the person let on that he wasn’t ‘White’, the Asian female he corresponded with came up with an excuse to not get together!
I always know which of my comments will stir that reaction. I suppose I should be somewhat flattered Suzanne. I guess it means I’ve done my homework. I just know the game. JAG’s usage of poetry, and his over-exaggeration of time to give an impression of long romances, etc. And the incident I was referring to was a very real one.
Hi: I’m a white guy. I feel the negative stereotypes of my relationship with my wife who is Korean American. I think it is very healthy for ethnic mixing. I come from a family who landed on this continent in the 1600’s—blue blooded white people. Thankfully they landed in the north, so althought I have historic guilt over slavery I can at least feel somewhat comforted that my family hasn’t owned slaves that I know of.
I think mixed-race relationships are complex. I can’t deny there was physical attractiveness involved in my recognition in my 30’s that I was very attracted to asian women. I also can’t deny that my tense and dysfunctional relationship with my own (white) mother and my failed first marriage to a wonderful and beautiful white woman may have played some role in my effort to look inside and shift how I was looking outside.
I have a deep personal belief that our separateness is what causes war, hatred, bigotry, etc.
I can fully understand how an asian man seeing beautiful asian women dating white guys would somehow begin to question what illness has taken over either asian women or white men (or both).
I can tell you being married to my wife has not been “easier” than being married to my first wife who was white. In many ways, it has been complicated by her father’s challenges accepting my wife’s decision…by my own family’s challenges understanding the beauty behind my wife’s more honest and open communication style.
Sometimes things are made more simple by our recognition that we come from “a different” background—this allows me to realize my wife is not perceiving the world the exact same way I am. Hmmmmm, ok, we don’t see this the same way yet we can still love each other.
Sometimes I think because my first wife and I really did come from very similar backgrounds that we were unable to appreciate how differently we saw things….so we got trapped into relationship-desctructive patterns and resentments.
I do not have a very positive relationship with my mother and my wife does not have a very positive relationship with her father. I believe these realities likely play some role in how we both decided to ‘search off the reservation’ of our two cultural backgrounds.
Why do some white men love asian women and some asian women love some white men?
Because they can now. It is no longer forbidden or subjects either to being completely ostracized or even killed.
It is part of our evolving cultural mixing that, I hope, will someday make this a better world without these stark demarcations that lead us to the false belief that we are all so different from each other.
Didn’t we all evolve from the same origin?
Isn’t 99.9% of our DNA identical?
We need to move past these attempts to make something healthy and healing into something horrible and hateful.
Why don’t they have “Asian Man’s perspective” just to make it fair and balanced? That would be an interesting article – to compare the two.
We asked. No one wants to do it..Had some inquiries but never came through..Know anyone?
-jaymie
I hope you know I’m not attacking you personally. I’m attacking the magazine as a whole. I’m not sure what your relationship is to the magazine – I just found this website a few days ago – or how the mag. is structured, funded, etc., but I read the “mission” statement and the articles I’ve read in the sex/health section don’t seem to align. Anyhow, maybe I’m taking this magazine too seriously, but it seems to be one of two Asian women’s magazines I’ve come across thus far (the other being Audrey, as AsianMagazine.com seems directed towards Indians?), and so I hope it to be representative!
None of my best asian male friends will do it.. They said they don’t have a problem enough to write a 1,000 page article.. So I’ve tried personally!
oh I know you are not attacking me personally. I just want you to know that I’ve been proactive in trying to get the Asian Man’s voice heard but no one is helping me out…so don’t want any one to think we’re doing it deliberately.. I’m the editor. I’ve been asking for an Asian Man to say something in a professional forum instead of personally attacking Asian females as whorientals, C8nts and Asian sellouts..I figured let’s have an educational discussion but haven’t been too successful thus far.
-jaymie
Furthermore, I do not write for your magazine – it is your responsibility to find an appropriate candidate to write a counter-article. Should you not make an effort in running a counter-article from the view point of an asian man, you run the risk of appearing biased, hypocritical, sexist/racist, if not already so. This article, and others regarding race and sex, especially when pertaining to the Asian woman’s preference for white men, is unrepresentative and should not be published in such a haphazard format (ref. also to “A Few Good Asian Men” – how dare you let your staff writers compare Filipino men to puppy dogs?). DON’T LET THIS WEBSITE BE THE DON IMUS OF THE ASIAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. I’m not sure if the author of this article was conscious that the title of this article, “White Man’s Perspective” echoes “White Man’s Burden,” but it does. Ironically, this white man’s article has placed a heavy burden on the yellow man and woman.
From the plethora of heated comments from Asian men, I’m skeptical that no one is willing to step up and take the plate. But if that is really the case, you could compile a running list of all the comments from the self-identified Asian males’ views on 1)Dating asian women 2)Dating non-asian women 3)Caucasian men dating asian women; and publish them in a formal article. I understand that perhaps you are low on resources, but if the website can run interviews with the likes of Norah Jones, I’m sure it can manage to solicit a counter-article from an Asian man.
If you know any who are willing..Please send them our way..staff@asiancemagazine.com.. we’re waiting for you! 🙂
-jaymie
Well I just read this rather humorous article from the Audrey magazine. Perhaps you can contact the author and ask for suggestions: http://www.audreymagazine.com/dec2007/Truth.asp (And apologies if I seem bossy or rude but since I’ve started my first job and found myself the only Asian female under 35 and 1 of 3 Asian women in the office, I’ve become exceptionally conscious of my race and how I am perceived. So I get a bit hyper when it comes to race issues and other Asians making racy statements. I am also saddened by how Asian men are treated socially in this ostensibly modern-minded America and how some Asian women contribute to that undignified social treatment. After all, my dad is an Asian man and it breaks my heart to hear his stories and how hard he works to fight against the subtle prejudices/social snubs of the everyday…) On another note, there are some rude Asian men posting nasty comments and I see your point – but maybe you could tell your male friends to step up, drop their bitterness, stop aimless yapping and feeding of their own prejudges, and write a damn good article!!!
I agree. I have some ideas..Stay tuned. It’s weird all my Asian male friends have beautiful girlfriends and beautiful relationships.. I have some ideas though..I’ll be back.
-jaymie
I just read an article on Grace Kim on her latest film.. She talks about how media portrays asian men as non-sexual therefore she had a white woman fall in love with him. It’s an interesting read.
http://asiancemagazine.com/mar_2008/san_francisco_international_asian_american_film_festival
would be to dump that racist Elysia Boondog. Her only agenda is to bash asian men and worship white men.
There is hope.
Please describe. I may be interested.
Jaymie,
OK, if there’s that much leeway,then I think I’ll write something about the difference between the terms “American Asian” vs. “Asian American” and how it relates to our true identity as Americans of Asian descent or as Asians living in America. I’ll start on it as soon as I can.
-TK
Don’t really see how any asian person could ignore the racist overtones. You as editor, assume the responsibility of allowing this racist stance.
Clearly you can publish whatever you want and you do. However, it reflects poorly on you. How do you respond?
Hi Tony,
We’re open, please feel free to send us an email to staff@asiancemagazine.com and we can discuss.. Looking forward to it..thanks.
-jaymie
Good to see an asian man with the balls enough to voice a sincere opinion on this crap website.
But, also to Jaymie for acknowledging the website has been crap and needs housecleaning! 😉
OK, why don’t you tell me what you DON’T want to see in a counter article?
eom
Asian American Male’s perspective. I’ll keep you posted.
Hi
Don’t think the website is crap and not planning on any housecleaning. Will however let any asian man who is willing to step up and put a name to article to most certainly publish it. When I said open, I meant we’re open to any angle you would like to bring in whether it’s dating asian women, being an Asian man dating and the problems dating an Asian woman, media not portraying Asian men in the proper light…whatever you think. If you want to do an opinion piece that is fine as well. DON’T want to see Asian women called whores, c*nts, sellouts, etc,,
-jaymie
White guy here again.
Just chiming in that an asian man and an asian woman’s perspective would really be helpful to encouraging folks to talk more openly about the discomforts around inter-racial marriages–focusing on asian-caucasian as a vehicle for that discussion.
I agree with many of the comments about asian men not being portrayed with strength and honor in US media—I don’t know enough about worldwide media to say much there.
I agree that the dominant white culture in the U.S. actively portrayed asian men as subservient, sometimes silly and fawning sources of humor. It is a disgusting blight that has even more history in portrayal of African American men.
In my view, those portrayals continue today—although there is now, thankfully, a mixture of portrayals that is improving things…although long way to go.
Asian men being portrayed as overzealous students who are more interested in grades than human beings continues to pop up in US media.
Asian men as kung-fu fighters is equivalent to african american tap-dancers many years ago.
Our culture—ours in that whites, african american, asian american, native american, latino, hispanic….you name it we are all part of this mess we call a culture—appears to first portray ethnic groups in very stereotypical manners that slowly get broken down.
Even white men are portrayed in certain stereotypes—strong, silent, sexy, brilliant and cunning business men, brutal when necessary, gentle when necessary—the challenge is that it is an unrealistically oversimplified view of a complex group of people. Visual media uses stereotypes to draw viewers—people feel comforted by thinking they “know” what people are like.
Yes, maybe some white guys are heroes, yet others are mean, beat their wives and children, send hate mail, kill people, rob, steal, covet, cheat, you name it etc.
I only speak for one white guy, me.
I’d love to read some strong words coming from an asian male perspective.
Unfortunately, white men are glamourized all over the world and especially in the u.s. as being the “most desirable mate”, especially if they are actually handsome, nice, and make a good salary. It seems that b/c of the physical appeal of many asian women, that these women are approached more often, but inside, the programming is there for all types of women that the “white man” is “hotter”. I feel that this is true about “hot” white women actress types as well. Perhaps some day that will change.
yes, u r right, relationships involve chemistry, and that’s cool, cause it’s really the guy who decides who he want to date no matter how much a woman flirts, pursues, calls etc, or shows interest, but, sometimes, some women don’t hate men, or have a problem w/ being “women”, it’s just they have had experience w/ abuse from their fathers, uncles, etc. have been raped, molested, abandoned, or simply had a “man” in their life, ever to give them “real love” and thus has interferred w. their “emotional stability” and it has nothing to do w/being a “dike” or not feminin, until they work out their issues and get their life together,just something to ponder.
Statistically speaking there is no white man/asian woman phenomenon happening anywhere on the planet, even in Manhattan where wm/aw seems to be the epicenter of the wm/aw dynamic. So, anyone who has a problem with a man liking asian women is in all honesty either a bigot, racist, or incredibly small-minded person and you should really be ashamed of your ignorance. No one would ever give a guy such a hard time if he only dated blondes or brunettes with a certain body type. The fact that this guy has to write a long theory on why he has had wonderful fun dating girls/women and then reading silly comments about it, only proves the fact that small-minded thinking remains strong and ancient as ever. In New York City where there is a diverse population of all ethnicities with big numbers of whites and asians mixing all the time MOST asian women are in fact dating or getting seriously involved with ASIAN men.
There are many wonderful reasons for finding women of Asian culture/heritage quite appealing and it most definitely goes beyond looks. Your attraction makes perfect sense. I do not date exclusively Asian women but I have dated two Japanese women and a Chinese woman. “Wow” would be all I could say. I can’t say they were better than the white women I have been fortunate to know but I can say that there are things hard to describe in words that I routinely experienced with all three of those women I never once experienced with others. They are comfortable being feminine, and they have no interest in being like men, and it is okay to simply be a man and not feel at all guilty about that. All three of those women treated me as well as any other woman and all three of them were highly educated, independent, comfortable in their own skin. I hold all three in high regard right up there with the white woman who until now is the best woman I’ve known. And like the author of the post I too have had a situation where Asian women have approached me and shown great interest in me in a way I honestly have not experienced in my all white environment upbringing. It isn’t his fault that he obviously is a big attraction to some Asian women and they obviously love going out with him.
Don’t be so small-minded and ancient thinking. It’s 2008. Don’t embarrass yourselves with all this silly “white men love asian women” drivel.
I’m not jealous of asian women dating white men, but I feel that most of these type of men are shallow, and I find that other ethnicity men don’t expect me to be a package and kiss their ass and be perfect to go out w/them and understand what I deal w/ racism,etc…SO fuck these white men who date only “hot” ethnic women cause they want a piece of their ass. White men and women often have no clue about “racism” cause they are white!!duh, and have that privelege.
With all this talk about White privilege, sell-outs, the media, Hollywood, how the White man runs everything etc. etc. Let’s cut all the b.s. and get to down to the wire. In general, Asians DO find White people attractive. Are we all so weak minded that the media can so easily manipulate us and that we can’t think for ourselves? It is interesting that while White guys are dating Asian women, they are getting criticized, even attacked for it. What about the Whtie women who don’t date Asian guys? From what I see, it is not the White guys with the problem here. As for myself, my sister is married to a white guy and I myself, being a gay Asian guy, has dated only White guys so far. Believe me, looking for dates is even more difficult for me than my straight counterparts. But I am not going the route of the stereotypical whiny Asian guy (it is interesting how those who complained about being stereotyped insist on being one). There are those who will give me the time of day and those who wouldn’t. The latter, so what? Why should I waste my time and energy worrying them?
Those of you who so readily said that Asian women are sellouts are no different from the KKK (guess what they would said about the white men who are dating them).
I hate many white women, the so-called great gals that these white think is their number one choice, b/c, white women are “cunts!!!!!”,some,cause they feel that they have to be better and they don’t like it when minor. women go w/white guys, I’ve had prob;ems with these bitches from hell, who deserve to rot in hell cause they tried to ruin my life and also the hicks who protected them, also I can’t stand those white-washed types of asian or whatever women who kiss ass to white guys and are mean to me, they are bitches too.
I agree w/Kendrick, white men are interested in dating outside their race cause they look at basic qualities that all men like, (Some), looks, personality,talent,charm etc. basic to a human female, regardless of race, and men are simpler creatures than women. But often white women, blame their problems on the someone else (eg. ethnic women) and not other white women who are flirting or dating the same guys that won’t go out w/these nasty white women. But, often many white women are cool and date non-white guys, but some won’t give asian or whatever guys a chance even though many of these guys are hot too and willing to date them even if they aren’t all that, cause they are “white”, so these white bitches need to stop blaming asian women for taking away “their men”.
I’m a non-white mixed ethnic, and I found that all kinds of women are nasty to me when a hot-or even not-hot white guy is speaking w/me, what does that tell you? Not all women, of course but many. Girls are extremely competitive w/one another in general, unless they become “wise” grannies, or get married and have kids w/their “prime love”. Some asian women are nice, but many get act like “hoes” to me,competiting over white men.
I am a Viet American and I do have a high regard for white women. I see the ones I know as highly educated, sweet, hard working and caring about their kids. Warning: They are very good looking until they have their first child or until they turn 40. Then they usually balloon.
It may sound like this “white guy” likes Asian women for their personality and not because she is in fact “Asian”. But the only thing I don’t get is if he really does, why then must he write a long article and point out these negative stereotypes associated with Asian women? I mean, if he’s really “just” attracted to Asian women for who they are and not because they are Asians, then why then he blurted out all of these ideas from his mind? Obviously, he, too, see Asian women as submissive. I, as an Asian person, did not think of our women as in anyway “submissive”, until now that is, hearing from a white guy all these negative stereotypes. What I’m trying to say is, if you’re not thinking it, then you’re not thinking it! But here you are, you just wrote an entire essay pointing out on several Asian women stereotypes. Where’s the sense in all that? You claim none of these stereotypes “resonate” in you, but guess what? You just wrote an article about it, dude! And the whole “saw an Asian girl in the bus… first time to see beauty… the whole world disappeared?” Excuse my language, but WTF was that? I see white, black, latin, indian, arabic and asian women all the same. But I am not stuck on just “desiring” a specific ethnic group. I have dated an Asian, White and at some point had a really close relationship with a Black woman. But never did it occured to me that I’m dating these women because of some ridiculous stereotype. For me they are women, that’s it! They are not below me, not in any way inferior to their male counter-parts. I exactly don’t prefer Asian women, but I am married to one.
You sir, simply cannot find or date a white woman and so is trying to settle down with Asian women.
And Mr. Rains, you should be ashamed.
The white men here aren’t telling the truth. What are they going to say? That they are losers who can’t get women of their own race and therefore must bank on self-Asian women who worship them for their “whiteness.” Even though this is usually the case (you rarely see good quality white men going after Asian women, because most good quality men go for women of their own race), the loserish white men will never admit it.
i just find it strange and repugnant to see this kind of relationship, not the AW/WM relationship, but any kind of relationship based on someone who is looking to “masturbate” in another’s culture. where there is no respect involved and the attraction to the other is based on whatever images play out in the other’s mind.
one thing that Always is a warning flag for me is when a white guy says how much he loves asian women and so forth, yet they systematically put down asian men, and they expect you to do the same thing.
i had one friend talk about his ex wife, who is pinay who went back after him to a pinoy, he kept callin him “this filipino scumbag” that she is with now. this is how many ofthese men think, their money and whiteness and percieved status makes them gods. especially in southeast asia the “browner” countries where asians have cowtowed to white males etc. i just find it disturbing that alot of women are playing into it too. and let me tell you , i dont think all wm are like this, not by a long shot, by far 2 many, enough that you have to be weary.
OK, So I’m a white American male, wasn’t lurking the site but followed a link to this post and read the article and then a bit down before clicking to the end of the replies…
I travel to China A LOT for work and spend a good part of my time there. I like and date Chinese women. I find the combination of smooth skin, slender bodies, shiny straight black hair and the fact that to me anyway they are a bit exotic (Im a blond, blue eyed yuan gui zi) BUT I also date women who are blond haired, white etc. I just think there are some Chinese girls who are really quite striking and they tend to be approachable and friendly. It doesn’t hurt that they make very patient Mandarin teachers and while I am a foreigner in China they happen to know all the fun places to go, good local restaurants etc.
I would NOT date a girl just because she’s Asian (she has to be fun and interesting to hang out with as well as attractive) and I don’t put any predisposed notion on a girl because shes Asian. I just don’t make a distinction based on race. If a beautiful girl is there and she has a nice smile, is easy to talk to, then I might ask her what shes doing later, wanna get dinner somewhere etc. Ive dated White American, White S. African, African American, White Dutch, Japanese, Chinese, Korean and a mixed girl from the Carribean (can’t remember where exactly) But NO I DO NOT have problems dating white girls, or any other races. (LOL as soon as they find out I’m a shoe designer they get REAL interested, but I’m also fun attentive and articulate (OK not modest) – and cute! LOL, my motorcycle doesn’t hurt either)
I’m not racist. We are all human, race is a social construct. Yes we have certain groups of physiological traits that show our probable ancestry, but how do you draw the line when you look at those traits and how they converge and blend seemlessly as you get to the edges of “racial” geographical areas. In anthropology this is called a “cline” or “genetic drift” when one “look” blends across into another. There are no specific races except as defined by people who want to use the terms to isolate groups based on racist and descriminatory ideas. There ARE beautiful women and attractive men in all shapes and colors but we all breed true and produce fertile offspring denoting a single species. It has also been shown that we can determine genetic difference via subtle differences in smell and probably by look too and we are attracted to thatin our primitive subconscious brain as it means less likelihood of negative genes showing up in our offspring, ie hybrid vitality, so there is scientific research backing up a preference for mating with a genetically “different” person.
I find it offensive that many (not all, as some of you really have very good, well thought through and positive replies here) people here sit around spewing such anger at this guy and others in cross ethnic relationships because they find a set of purely physical traits to be attractive. I agree if they sit at home watching anime porn and making up some false archetype to ascribe to every Asian woman and never see or really aren’t interested in seeing beyond that, that those guys are creepy and even if they say they like Asians maybe its some form of backhanded racism, but there are a lot of people who just don’t see the “racial lines” as any concrete stumbling block to meeting and having positive relationships with other human beings who happen to have a different color of hair or differently shaped eyes.
“until the color of a man’s skin makes no more difference than the color of his eyes… me say war” – Bob Marley
I like that view of racial difference… It should not be important and dwelling on it only continues to cause strife and social misunderstanding.
Trust your Asian sisters to weed out the creepy guys. I would guess that while they might occasionally get taken for a brief ride, sooner or later they will be more than able to figure out which guys are the weird fetishists and which ones just like/love them for who they are as an individuals as well as thinking they are beautiful because they have nice skin or pretty eyes, beautiful dark hair, whatever.
If you are posting a hate filled reply against anyone, stop and think for a second who has the racism issue, you? or the couple who has the happy relationship.
OK Ill get down off my soap box now. It just gets me riled up when I get lumped with the weirdos in some yellow fever BS generalization, as if something is wrong with me because I go out with anyone I choose to and we both have a good time. If she teaches me about her culture and I can teach her about mine, I totally fail to see how theres something wrong with that, or how it means I’m not proud of my own heritage.
Lets see how hard I get flamed now… I’ll have to bookmark this…
Who cares about someone’s fucking, dating, marriage habits? If he/she wants to date wild animals or aliens, who cares. The issue with this magazine is that it is for Asian women, and about Asian women heritage/culture. The problem with the site is that it really does not represent Asian women and their culture. Don’t get me wrong, some of the articles are pretty tight and some are very interesting, but then you have some lame ass contributors that talk about interracial marriages ‘A White Man’s Perceptive’ or an article about ‘Few Good Asian men.’ Honestly who cares! These freakin so called editors allow these types of articles to be published deserve to be ridiculed. Do Latino or Black magazines or websites publish these types of articles (I think whites have enough magazines)? Maybe they do, but I do not think so. I don’t understand for some reason, if you go to any Asian sites, there are a lot of non-Asian men trolling through them. So that makes me wonder about the fetish issues. Don’t get me wrong, men are men, and about 95 percent of our lives, we probably only think about sex, but come on….just type anything Asian in Google and you get what I mean. Yes, there is a problem when it comes to interracial marriage amongst the Asian community. Yes, Asian women out marry to whites in groves and Yes, Asian women do get a bad name for this, but in reality do I blame my Asian brothers..Yes and No. Have you ever watched shows where your see Asian couples (excluding Lost) if so, they sure are far and few. How many famous Asian actresses ever have Asian men by there side. Whites, Blacks and even Latinos in the film industry always seem to have matching pairs. I understand that Asian American’s is the smallest population in the US, but it is still a shame. I would love to see Lucy Liu have an Asian boyfriend…it may do wonders for Asian men perception. Going back to the white men always commenting on this website, yes you guys are asses here. You freakin dudes say the same things over and over. ‘I love Asian women for their skin color and their personalities, and so on and so on! Seriously, if the shoes were reversed you guys would be the first one’s complaining. I know plenty of white dudes who can’t stand white women dating black men. OK.. going back again, I hope this freakin website understand that if you keep on bashing your own men, of course you will get comments and reactions like this. And Tingbudong this is for you, since you wanted someone to comment. I am proud that you go to China for Business and love to date Chinese women during your business trips. Yes, be happy that you are white and have all these opportunities in life to travel and work in Asia, but remember if you were born Chinese, I think you comments would be very different. Just thank your lucky stars that you are an American (and white). And I am not being an angry Asian man either..just telling the truth.
I see it in the work place.
Asian women, both Indian and Orientals praise and worship White Males. They want to have their babies.
They don’t care about the appearance of the White male either;
fat skinny, bald, deaf, dumb rotten teeth. If He’s white he’s right!!!
Shamo Asian fems shamo.
Sell your souls to your past tormentors!! shamo
It’s for their social status, wealth, and overall acceptance in this White Devil western society.
Be upset be very upset.
We see you all!!
I see it in the work place.
Asian women, both Indian and Orientals praise and worship White Males. They want to have their babies.
They don’t care about the appearance of the White male either;
fat skinny, bald, deaf, dumb rotten teeth. If He’s white he’s right!!!
Shamo Asian fems shamo.
Sell your souls to your past tormentors!! shamo
It’s for their social status, wealth, and overall acceptance in this White Devil western society.
Be upset be very upset.
We see you all!!
I see it in the work place.
Asian women, both Indian and Orientals praise and worship White Males. They want to have their babies.
They don’t care about the appearance of the White male either;
fat skinny, bald, deaf, dumb rotten teeth. If He’s white he’s right!!!
Shamo Asian fems shamo.
Sell your souls to your past tormentors!! shamo
It’s for their social status, wealth, and overall acceptance in this White Devil western society.
Be upset be very upset.
We see you all!!
Where it says “because in the end, they are the same, they are ashamed at the though of the act”, though should say thought.
Oh yeah, and maybe I should’ve stuck to lurking. 😛
No offense, but I’d have to agree with the person saying that this article sounds like someone who is merely defending their own preferences. I think a more important issue at hand is the racism issue.
I kinda got here googling info on interracial dating, and frankly, I’d like to point out a few things.
1.) Asian cultures, as a whole, are EXTREMELY racist. Don’t deny it, for most Asian parents, even if they put on that happy face when they see their precious daughter with a white, latino, or black man, on the inside they’re probably cursing their “horrible luck”. Actually, my parents have even admitted to me before, that they would be distraught if I dated a man outside my respected ethnic and racial background (oh gag me, which is why I never breathe a word about my personal life).
Which leads to point #2…
2.) Another huge issue for Asian women (now, I won’t get onto the topic of Asian men because frankly, I have no experience with that…) is the backlash they receive from the Asian community and their families. For the people calling us “whitewashed”, you sound just as discriminatory as the women who say they will not date anyone who is not white. One of my friend’s friends actually called me whitewashed before and although not completely aware of its meaning, I was hurt, the derogatory meaning behind the word was obvious.
3.) For those who have parents that do find white men acceptable (like my mom…barely), there’s a reason for that too. Culturally, pale skin is revered as a sign of beauty (in fact, my mother tells me ALL THE TIME how she wishes she were paler), frankly its because its a genetically inherited trait that WE DON’T HAVE. People tend to want what they don’t have, its historically proven that we’re wired this way. In times of famine, fat overweight (heaven forbid) people were seen as beautiful, whereas now, in a time of plenty, skinny people are “beautiful”, although our society as a whole (I mean America…because I’m under the assumption that the audience reading this is American) is moving onto what is considered healthy, rather than just skinny.
Frankly, I realize that to some people, this argument will just appear to be something where I’m just justifying my own choices in dating (okay, whatever). I’ll just say now, if this isn’t apparent already, I am an Asian woman (or girl, I’m still 17, so yeah, legally I’m still a kid). I haven’t dated too many guys yet at my age, because well, I’m young and don’t like short-term relationships. All 3 of the guys I’ve dated just happened to be white. OKAY, now before anyone screams whitewashed at me, I’d like to point out that the small town I live in is predominantly an Irish-Italian mix. The “Asian Flair”, as my FOB friends (it’s not an insult, they call themselves this…and if it is one, they call themselves this, so whatever, and yes, I am first Generation Asian-American) would say, is probably a miniscule 5% of the community, but it’s still far greater than any other minority living in town.
And honestly, who cares about the appearance? As long as the man is not morbidly obese (because if you can’t take care of yourself, why would we expect you to even care about us?), it shouldn’t even matter. Personality should count (although, I swear, with most women I meet, of any ethnic/racial background, money means more to them than anything…which disgusts me, you should be capable enough to support yourself so that it is not money that counts but LOVE, chemistry, and COMPROMISE for each others differences and small arguments) the most.
Now for those who still think I’m white-washed, I’d like to point out that I HAVE HAD crushes on Asian males before. Not recently, but during my earlier years~ Heck, my first crush was Asian, he was a Taiwanese immigrant (though he’s lived here long enough to assimilate a bit), and I adored him because of the positive influence he had on me (albeit…I was 10 at the time, and he was 18, so it was nothing more than a passing crush…and the age gap opens up an entirely new can of worms), if not for him, I would still be a quiet timid little girl, allowing my parents to make EVERY DECISION for me because I was so afraid of being in contact with other people other than my parents and teachers. My second Asian crush (okay, Taiwanese again, though it never mattered to me), always knew how to make me smile. I had just entered High School, and he was graduating from High School. Simultaneously, I had a crush on a fellow entering freshman (Half Chinese, Half Singaporean). I liked both of them, not because they were Asian, but because they were sweet, had gentleman-like traits, and that is what I look for in a man. The guy I like right now, he’s white, but it doesn’t matter to me, what I liked about him was that he shared so many of the same interests as me, we both like the fine arts, playing chess (though I suck at it), we both have strong affinities towards learning about new cultures and traveling (although he’s traveled primarily to the Czech Republic and Germany, whereas I’ve been to Japan, and my parent’s native Taiwan to visit family). Because of the interest in foreign cultures, we’ve learned a few other languages along the way, I can speak Chinese (though that was my first language), Japanese, and Spanish, whereas he can speak Spanish, Czech (Honestly, when is this going to come in handy? He obviously learned because its interesting to him and he likes traveling to Prague, not to impress women with some obscure language), and some Italian and French. He’s cute, albeit a little chubby, and I like him just fine the way he is, even though he’s constantly griping about how he wishes he could lose 10 lbs, probably because I’m so skinny and waifish looking next to him. He makes comments about how he’s growing old (which I HATE, because he’s not old, and he’s only worried because he had a heart attack last summer, he’s had medical complications since around his 21st birthday, so of course he’s not going to look his best, but he makes an effort to be healthy <3).
So many of these points that people seem to make are shallow, and the people who oppose the WM/AF dating are just as bad as the people who try so hard to justify it (because in the end, they are the same, they are ashamed at the though of the act, if you need to justify yourself for ANYTHING then obviously deep down you think the act itself is wrong in some way, shape, or form, one is more subtle and passive, whilst the other is actively opposed). If an Asian friend or acquaintance of yours is happy with her new boyfriend, you should be happy for her, not calling her a sellout or white-washed. That kind of stuff hurts their feelings, we're not all white-washed (though frankly, a lot of women are, if they say they'll only date white men), and it makes us feel like we're wrong and that our opinion doesn't matter, which is completely ludicrous.
Rachani, I agree with you, that is atrocious behavior. Actually, my mother's best friend married an Italian man who disgusts me. She does all the housework, her husband expects it, and I've actually heard him say before that he hates Chinese food, but loves Chinese women (um...okay, makes me wonder if he was looking for the stereotypes listed above). No woman, regardless of her race, should ever have to put up with that kind of behavior. I am a humanist, where for me, the gender roles and Neolithic behavior that some men who date Asian women have (the whole...women stick to the female job roles, and let the men do their thing). Humanism is defined as... a broad category of ethical philosophies that affirm the dignity and worth of all people, based on the ability to determine right and wrong by appeal to universal human qualities — particularly rationality. (Courtesy of Wikipedia)
Anyways, that's just my two cents, I'm not here to argue with anyone.
Oh wah wah, the White man is being treated unfairly. Wah wah why won’t people just leave Asian women alone when they date White men. Wah wah, it’s sooo unfair.
Kii, historically White men have had economically and societal advantages over any other ethnicity in the world. If you want to date White men until the cows come home and wake up to see that you’ve become a White woman (and scream with happy joy because you’ve been able to cleanse the Asian impurity that you apparently SO want to get rid of within yourself), then FINE.
But stop with the long diatribe and useless yammering trying to justify your brainwashed White-ness. White men don’t need to be defended and protected…they already own and rule the world.
And if Asian women want to be with White men, what can I say? Maybe eventually the Asian gene will disappear entirely from Asian women mixing with White men and you’ll have a world of White men all to yourself. Oh joy!
Im a 24 male from Scotland ,and ive always been aware of the WM/AF couples in the streets n what not,so its not just an american trait ,but i see far more asain on asain couples than mixed,ive been quite surprised by all the comments i never realised it was such a big issue,but surely it cant be racism the WM/AF relationship because ‘if it gets tht far’the outcome is a half asain and half white baby ,when a true racist would only ever want a pure white or asian blooded baby.I think its something to do with that a white man is seen as the embodiment of beauty in the male species for alot of women ,due to lots of factors ,hollywood being one ,and that alot of succesfull men in the world are white ,and govern and rule almost all of the most prosperious countries in the world bringing about a rather natural conclusion as to why and not just asain women but all races enjoy dating white men,but on the other hand men of all races also put the white women on a pedistool.But tht doesnt explain why white men seem attracted to asain women and i for one are deffinatly in tht category im only really attracted to two races of women white and asain women ,and ive dated both mainly white but also asain,and id say that for a white man only in my views and experience that the asain/white relationship either male female of both races seem best suited ,but this is only one mans view .
To ScottishBoy:
Well, at least you can choose ScottishBoy. For most Asian guys, even if White women were put on a pedestal, most
of the time White women wouldn’t be interested in Asian guys (unless the Asian guy had a lot of money—but mostly because it’s about money and not because most White women think Asian men are good looking).
You have the luxury of choosing the woman you want to date and to sit back and act like you’re open-minded and actually care about the social discrimmination against other ethnicities not White.
Hey, but I wouldn’t want Asian women to be with Asian men out of any sense of guilt or duty…it is what it is.
I’ll bet you that a fat, poor, obese White man who smells like B.O. would be able to get more dates with Asian women than a handsome Asian man who smells like Eternity from Calvin Klein.
I know that doesn’t make sense ScottishBoy, but that just goes to show you how funny the people in the world work. Ha ha.
Hey ,this is for tiredofthisBS , i tell you now tht a fat stinky white man wouldnt get more asain women lol sheesh what kind of shit is tht ,how come in my home city which is the third biggest in the UK ,tht the asians do normaly stick with each other ,and its the case with all races they generally stick with each other ,and its peoples choices anyway you have white women who like to date black guys and vice versa ,and personally i wouldnt like to date any white women who did date a black man ,as good old tommy put it in goodfellas ,you wouldnt wanna end up kissing nat king cole over here would ya lol ye know its just choices a handsome asain man could get any bird he wanted just like any handsome man of any race providing he’s a decent bloke.
but asains and whites have alot in common and ,asain men have the same thirst for business and entrepenure as white men, there family orientated and so on ,i think its a natural match between the two races ,anyway its more about the individual now more than the race ye know ,just look for a good individual and not so much what race and folk also say why do white men have this fasination for asian women ,man the non white world have a fasination for the white women esspecially blonde n blue ,look how silly the black man looks chasing after blondes all the time lol ye know anywho each to there own ,youll get there in the end ,another thing ive noticed about chinesse guys they love to gamble man they gamble just as much if not more than us scots boys i love it ,i enjoy there company and i never actually realised there was such a big hooray about all the interacial dating maybe its only in america .
For Scottish Boy: Yeah, it’s kind’ve a big deal here in the free democratic U.S. of A (lol).
I try to be very open-minded about the whole thing, and I don’t believe that all inter-racial relationships are founded on superficialities and are probably the real deal, but it can’t be denied the lopsided ratio in heterosexual relationships of White men with Asian women to Asian men and White women.
That’s not to say that it’s supposed to be equal, but it’s discouraging to hear Asian women tout wanting and preferring to be with White men, and then listing all the faults of Asian men (why not just say “men” without putting the ethnicity in front of it? As there are bad Asian men with flaws so too are there bad White men with flaws).
You should check this out, it’s a pretty interesting site that talks more about this heated topic:
http://modelminority.com/article113.html
In the end, it’s stupid to even waste one’s breath on this. We are all the same people, the only differences are culture. Kumbaya and all that stuff.
article is good
This is the most trite piece of work I’ve read in a while – I can’t believe it took that many words to convey approximately nothing. Maybe a PowerPoint presentation would be a more comfortable medium for an Ivy League/MBA type, since that was obviously an important thing that required mentioning in the article.
The most pathetic part of this whole thing is that it is that the reason is completely obvious.
HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
There isn’t any in rice, which is all Asian chicks eat and it is making everyone else fat. White guys love thin chicks and the white chicks are getting too moosey.
If you took a sampling at a random state school, say, University of Pennsylvania and plotted BMI against race, the Asian chicks would probably be towards the lowest end.
Another great thing is that if Asian chicks do get fat, they are often shamed to their rooms, never seeing the light of day.
I am also into dating Asian women. I never really thought of myself as the type of person to have a prejudice. I like to keep things fresh in all aspects of my life. I eat ever new spin on a tortilla-meat-cheese dish that Taco Bell puts out. I need to know if I’m missing something that could possibly be better than the taco supreme. Likewise, I’ve tried most kinds of women – at least those that are available in New York. My only downfall is that I easily fall for girls and I have a hard time cheating on girlfriends. Well, I should say that I had a hard time cheating. As I was dating one Asian honey bear, Sara, I had a run in with a little cutie pie named Rosie (also Asian). The following day I felt no remorse. I’m not sure why, but I don’t get the same kind of guilt when I’m knocking the bottom out of one Asian and dating another. This even works with Asian lady boys. I suppose it could be because they all look exactly alike. Or maybe it’s their “one-for-all” mentality. Either way, I recommend dating exclusively AZNs for anybody in my situation.
Too bad others are hijacking the comments area to drone on about their group’s plight. Sorry for your bitterness – but please leave this article to those who want to talk about the topic at hand.
I found the article to be very interesting and well thought out and articulated. I am also a white guy who almost exclusively dates Asian women. Also grew up in the Northeast and think that’s a big part of it – in my high school of 1600 people there were less than 10 non-whites. College was a little more varied, but still mostly white. When I moved out to Los Angeles after college at 24 I was amazed by the beautiful women of all cultures. But something about the Asian female features that stands out. Also, like the author, they still have to be attractive – if a plain Asian woman is standing next to a very attractive black woman I’m going to talk to the black woman. I totally reject the thought that Asian women date white males to ‘move up’. All those I’ve met say it’s because Asian guys are boring – or just too afraid to ask them out.
I agree with most everything you said, but the problem I (personally) find is that you’re trying to justify yourself. Who cares who you are attracted to? Who cares if people don’t approve of your tastes in women? I’m hispanic, and for me, it’s not that I’m always attracted to asian women, but it seems that they are the only ones attracted to me, haha. I don’t get any other type of women, USUALLY. Alot of people have alot of things to say about the women I’m usually involved with. Just do You.
Dogma,shamoo,shammo,shammoo go U too, uugly butface who is frustrated bc/ u can’t get your Ideal. Just like “blondes”,blue/green/eyed whites etc. are stereoptypes as attractive in white womne, is is it in women all across the world (eg. recesssive gene)-often/opposites attract. Many ethnic mean (eg. black, persian,latino, italian (even),asian, indian fantasize about britney and pamela types, carmen electra etc, and many go for these women as well, when they are qualifed and not scared to make a move. So, who care!! I’m a indian girls born here, and can date who ever I want, and I’m not recovered to marry a weird,freak,fob from the old country, cause that’s not my country. Yes, I find many white men (not al) HOTTTTTTTT, and it’s not a childish school girl thing, it’s “real”. Everyone has a differ. personality,etc. so I don’t generalizse only tht many especially ones like “hugh jackman” make me salivate and drool and puurt. so fU dogma
I have 5 sisters and only the 2 that married Asian men are happily married while the other 3 that married White men, ended up in bad divorces. They tell me how at first White men seem caring and sensitive etc,.. but under all that formulated behavior, they’re still what you’d expect from a typical “White” man. They treated my sisters like sub-humans, always micromanaging every aspect of their life. One of my sisters regarded her ex-husband as a soulless control-freak !
In the long term, an Asian woman with a white man, ends up in divorce, rarely do you see this particular mixed race couple reach a 50 year anniversary, not like an Asian couple.
And, what’s the deal with 6 foot 8 white boys, with 4 foot 1 Asian woman ? That’s not normal. Something is definitely wrong with the White mans mentality. It’s no wonder, the rest of the world is regarding “white men” as war-mongering greedy fat pigs. Serious. I read this all the time from many different countries.
Thank you.
pro Asain
Kendrik (the Gay Asian Male wrote):
Yes – let’s.
Ever consider WHY that is, instead of accepting it like a lemming? Obviously not, so don’t presume to be the voice of reason – you’re only the voice of BIAS and the STATUS QUO. You are not LIBERATED – but you are COLONIZED. Way to go. Blindly accepting a white-supremacist, post-colonial legacy does not give you any higher moral standing than they rest of us, so perhaps you shouldn’t be so haughty or smug – you might embarrass yourself even further.
I find it the height or irony and hypocrisy that this gay Asian man “Kendrik” fails to mention the EXTREME Euro-centrism in gay circles – maybe he left that part out on purpose, because that is would bring to attention the world-view that he comes from: one of extreme white male worship where Caucasians are seen as the *eptiome* of beauty, elegance, heroism, and virtue. Just look at the images that the fashion industry, which many gay men dominate, produce: Caucasians galore – with a smattering of Asian/black females/black males. Sound familiar? It’s no secret that a VERY LARGE proportion of Gay Asian men suffer from the internalized racism that results from this paradigm of white (gay) male supremacy and won’t date each other, and instead seek out Caucasians – often settling for the older, fatter ‘Rice Queens’ (white guys into Asian men) that couldn’t hack it with the godly standard of Gay-dom that is the White Man.
Anyway, the rest of society swallows your Euro-centric imagery as though it were gospel. From what I’ve observed in my interaction with some gay acquaintances is that Gay Asian men seem to occupy the same station in the gay world that Asian women do in the straight world – as the ‘receptacle’ for Caucasian fetishism and lust. They are usually the ‘bottoms’, or the “women” in gay relationships, and its not unusual to see them and some Asian women commiserate and gossip about why they find ‘such and such white guy’ to be so desirable. “Birds of a feather, flock together”, I guess – just like you and your sister. How lovely.
Excuse me while I extricate the HUGE chunk of irony I almost choked on. *GAG*. In the meantime, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, you hypocrite. Do NOT presume to speak for ANY Asian-Americans, other than Asian women and Gay Asian Men who have an unhealthy obsession for white men and the social ‘validation’ that comes from it. I have nothing against gay men or even Asian woman-White man relationships that are healthy: I just f*cking hate hypocrites like you with an agenda. You are not a credit or boon our Asian-American community: you are an cancer. Remember that as you live out the rest of your days with your internalized racism. You are yellow, and with your perspective you will always be second-class. White Supremacy lives on strong, thanks in part to the likes of you.
I apologize: I have to re-post this with edits because this site posts all posts as BLOCK PARAGRAPHS – Jaymie/Ed: you need to work with your I.T. team to sort out this problem. I will be putting “Kendrik”s writing in BOLD, just so you readers know.
*Kendrik (the Gay Asian Male wrote): “The truth is that Asians find Whites attractive. With all this talk about White privilege, sell-outs, the media, Hollywood, how the White man runs everything etc. etc. It is interesting that while White guys are dating Asian women, they are getting criticized, even attacked for it. What about the White women who don’t date Asian guys? From what I see, it is not the White guys with the problem here. As for myself, my sister is married to a white guy and I myself, being a gay Asian guy, has dated only White guys so far. Those of you who so readily said that Asian women are sellouts are no different from the KKK (guess what they would said about the white men who are dating them).”*
*Let’s cut all the b.s. and get to down to the wire.*
Yes – let’s.
*In general, Asians DO find White people attractive.*
Ever consider WHY that is, instead of accepting it like a lemming? Obviously not, so don’t presume to be the voice of reason – you’re only the voice of BIAS and the STATUS QUO. You are not LIBERATED – but you are COLONIZED. Way to go. Blindly accepting a white-supremacist, post-colonial legacy does not give you any higher moral standing than they rest of us, so perhaps you shouldn’t be so haughty or smug – you might embarrass yourself even further. I find it the height or irony and hypocrisy that this gay Asian man “Kendrik” fails to mention the EXTREME Euro-centrism in gay circles – maybe he left that part out on purpose, because that is would bring to attention the world-view that he comes from: one of extreme white male worship where Caucasians are seen as the eptiome of beauty, elegance, heroism, and virtue. Just look at the images that the fashion industry, which many gay men dominate, produce: Caucasians galore – with a smattering of Asian/black females/black males. Sound familiar? It’s no secret that a VERY LARGE proportion of Gay Asian men suffer from the internalized racism that results from this paradigm of white (gay) male supremacy and won’t date each other, and instead seek out Caucasians – often settling for the older, fatter ‘Rice Queens’ (white guys into Asian men) that couldn’t hack it with the godly standard of Gay-dom that is the White Man. Anyway, the rest of society swallows your Euro-centric imagery as though it were gospel. From what I’ve observed in my interaction with some gay acquaintances is that Gay Asian men seem to occupy the same station in the gay world that Asian women do in the straight world – as the ‘receptacle’ for Caucasian fetishism and lust. They are usually the ‘bottoms’, or the “women” in gay relationships, and its not unusual to see them and some Asian women commiserate and gossip about why they find ‘such and such white guy’ to be so desirable. “Birds of a feather, flock together”, I guess – just like you and your sister. How lovely. *Are we all so weak minded that the media can so easily manipulate us and that we can’t think for ourselves?* Excuse me while I extricate the HUGE chunk of irony I almost choked on. GAG. In the meantime, don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, you hypocrite. Do NOT presume to speak for ANY Asian-Americans, other than Asian women and Gay Asian Men who have an unhealthy obsession for white men and the social ‘validation’ that comes from it. I have nothing against gay men or even Asian woman-White man relationships that are healthy: I just f*cking hate hypocrites like you with an agenda. You are not a credit or boon our Asian-American community: you are an cancer. Remember that as you live out the rest of your days with your internalized racism. You are yellow, and with your perspective you will always be second-class. White Supremacy lives on strong, thanks in part to the likes of you.
okay, first of all, I’m attracted to Asian Americans and Americans in general more because we have more in common. I would date people with other nationalities but have found that it is easier to form a relationship when you don’t have to deal with a super long distance thing. In terms of physical attractiveness, any guy that is fit, loves some type of sport and is taller than me (I’m 5″3″) is all I ask for. My Chinese grandparents would really have a heart attack if I married a man from Africa or the Middle East but they have learned that I make my own choices, and that personality matters way more to me than skin color or cultural background. There are great guys and assholes in every country and in every skin color. The same rule applies to ladies.
Wow. It is hard to believe that racists like him/her, actually exist!!
This article pretty much embodies everything that is wrong with the way Asians are perceived in America. As a minority group i’d say Asian-Americans are really the lowest of the low. I can’t think of any other minorities that actively backstab each other as much as Asian-Americans. Truly sad and pathetic.
I don’t want anything to do with AA’s at all. I have come to the conclusion the vast majority (male and female) are losers who are infatuated with white people and are trying hard to be white while fulfilling every racist stereotype white Americans have of Asians. I prefer to be around individuals who are proud of their ethnicity and are secure enough not to follow these stereotypes.
I skimmed through the article but was mainly surprised to see all the bitterness reflected in many of the comments…this obviously hits on a very sensitive and heated issue. in my area, the racial demographics mostly consist of whites and asians. i’m a white male. most of my best friends are asian, both male and female, my roommate is an asian guy, and I’m often attracted to asian girls. i don’t want to justify it because i’m not here to crave acceptance or validation…another of my closest friends, an asian guy, is about to get married to one of my friends who is a white girl, and i have know another couple like this who are currently dating. I don’t think it should be viewed as wrong; it’s a healthy relationship! just as many other relationships I’ve seen involving white males and asian girls. i’ve been attracted to white girls, just not as much. it’s honestly time to forget the sour tangs of past racism and move on…there are plenty of attractive, nice, polite, etc., people of every race as some people already mentioned, and as for the glorification of white male dominance, i have nothing to say. a good place to start is with a little humor, a sense of common human decency and some humility. i know several asian guys at school who are taller than i am (i’m 6 feet), who work out with me, are way better than me at diff. eq. and physics, (i’m a business major) and have no difficulty attracting girls of a variety of races and ethnicities. it’s not really necessary to say this, stating the obvious, but we should seriously start destroying some of the outdated past injustices which continue to cause problems and fights today.
This is they kind of words you want to hear from a yellow fever white boy, and this is what they’re really saying http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/20/11-asian-girls/
It’s a fetish, admit it.
“Asian women also avoid key white women characteristics such as having a mid life crisis, divorce, and hobbies that don’t involve taking care of the children (also future posts)”
Good luck being “free” when they dont’ want you to have hobbies, divorce and midlife crisis
First of all, I’m an Asian woman who dates mostly White men. It has NOTHING to do with “climbing the social ladder.” I don’t think white men are any better social status wise than asian men at all.
Second of all, Asian women “acting” American to get a white man???? How the hell does one “act” American??? I was born and raised in California, so yes, I am an American. Thanks.
What the fuck is this?I just don’t understand.. i never heard white men talking good things about asian men, if asians are beautiful, logically both asian men and women should be beautiful.. and why stupid white men only praise asian women and disgrace asian men by calling them as geeks with tiny penices.. that’s stupid .. if you really love our race why do u humilliate our men..
i find our men both attractive and clever and not as stupid as you are with red tanned face and big tummy. Compared to white men asian men are much cleverer, hardworking, and very generous.White men are lazy, fat, ugly, not all but most of them. They might be handsome when they are young , but after a while they become pigs. But it is not the point. Personally,I like men with brains. I don’t need a man with a beautiful body without brains.
I used to like whites before.BUt not very much. This year I went back to China and found our guys much attractive. Our guys with straight black hair, nice skin, with no hair on the body and beautiful sporty body.When you suntan your face becomes red and very ugly. And I do not understand why do u suntan. anyway you look ugly whether you suntan or not. Our men look hot with or without suntan.
So stop humiliating asian guys, see you also have many problems.
In my own personal experience asian women are nothing but homewrecking whores. I am not racist as you’d think by reading that comment, infact my son is half korean and I only date asian men. I’ve had 3 serious relationships in my lifetime and all three have been ruined by an asian woman. This cannot be meer cooincidence. Asian women deliberately seduce and steal men from white women who love them. They break up happy homes, they destroy maraiges and strong relationships. Personally I have gotten to hate asian women so badly that I refuse to recognize them in public, if I am spoken to by an asian woman I ignore her as if she does not exist if repeatedly spoken to I’ve blurted out “I don’t speak to homewrecking asian whores like you”. When asian women learn to respect the relationships of other women and not put thier whoreish asses out for men to see (my current boyfriend is chinese and I found a javtalk forum which is asian whore porn on our computer so I”m pissed yet again that asian bitches are wrecking my home) then I wouldn’t lash out. So to any asian woman reading this- learn to keep your hands and eyes off other womens men! Then you might earn some respect in this world!
The author should stop being DELUSIONAL and just admit that he is a typical Asiaphile (not really difficult to understand).
First off – the media does glorify WM/AF portrayals (that’s why we find so much more of that than AM/AF) in the media.
Second – people DO talk about AFs who have a fetish for WMs (as well as AMs who do so for WFs).
Third – your attraction to AFs, much less Korean females specifically, is NOT an innate thing (yeah, like you were born w/ an innate attraction to Korean women – LOL!), but is shaped by your environment and experiences.
Fourth – Asians who only date other Asians (and usually w/in the SAME ethnicity) has to do much more w/ sharing a cultural background, experiences, etc. (just as many Italian, Greek or Jewish Americans prefer to date/marry another Italian, Greek or Jewish American). This doesn’t apply to “twinkies†or “bananas†where culturally, there is no difference.
Fifth – now, there are non-Asian guys out there who will date an AF that he finds attractive, just as he would date a WF or other female that he finds attractive – and these guys are not Asiaphiles. You, otoh, are a classic case of an Asiaphile/having “Yellow Feverâ€.
Same old white supremacy clap! White men are liars – they run around the world by day pushing the idea that white is the standard of beauty, then at night they are sneaking in the back doors tryng to mix it up with women of color. Black women in America have had to endure this mess from these guys for 500 years. If a Black man was even believed to be THINKING about a white woman – he and his family would be murdered. Devious and dangerous. I hope Asian women would stop allowing themselves to be used as sexual kleenex by these dogs. When Black men date white women, they marry quite a few of them. Many Black women who do date white men – most of the time never meet their families. “Don’t want to mess up that inheritance!”.
It is no phenomena. At some point the caucasian race, in America anyway, will be extinct. This is due to the heavy interest the media has as well as the will of most men to prefer the asian female as well as other non white women. I am “white” and female and I prefer white men. But from what I am witnessing before my very eyes is the eventual dominance of the asian race in general. I am particularly made aware of this on most college campuses. It is most frustrating when we are conditioned to take liberty in our freedoms and “american” values as women only to be told NOW that we are selfish and fat and lazy and sub-human to asian women.
As an asian woman myself, reading “White womans” perspective about us being homewreckers as she put it, is pretty correct. I go after white males because they have more money. You think I want some chinese chump that works part time at the neighborhood sushi bar? Hell no.
As for your experiences with your boyfriends being taken by Asian women, well sweetie, I hate to tell you this but it’s because we’re better than you are. We’re prettier, smarter, sexier and have tighter pussies. White women are not desireable by any race, so when you state that your son is half Korean, that implies to me that your ex was Korean, thus you created the breakup yourself by dating one of our Asian men. See, as I see it, You shouldn’t be touching men of my race. They’re my brothers, my family and are off limits to any woman who is not Asian. If I see a white woman with an Asian man, damn right I’m going to steal him on purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then once he’s over you, I’ll dump him like a bad habit and take the next white guy with money.
So I agree with you fully! We Asian girls are homewrecking whores and proud of it sister!
As an asian woman myself, reading “White womans” perspective about us being homewreckers as she put it, is pretty correct. I go after white males because they have more money. You think I want some chinese chump that works part time at the neighborhood sushi bar? Hell no.
As for your experiences with your boyfriends being taken by Asian women, well sweetie, I hate to tell you this but it’s because we’re better than you are. We’re prettier, smarter, sexier and have tighter pussies. White women are not desireable by any race, so when you state that your son is half Korean, that implies to me that your ex was Korean, thus you created the breakup yourself by dating one of our Asian men. See, as I see it, You shouldn’t be touching men of my race. They’re my brothers, my family and are off limits to any woman who is not Asian. If I see a white woman with an Asian man, damn right I’m going to steal him on purpose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Then once he’s over you, I’ll dump him like a bad habit and take the next white guy with money.
So I agree with you fully! We Asian girls are homewrecking whores and proud of it sister!
In SE Asia, the only girls hooking up with white guys are prostitutes and goldiggers. It is common to see a 60 year old with a 20 year old over here. It’s all about the money. White guys think they are kings because they can easily exploit the women with money. 99% of single white guys are here for sex tourism. They think they are big pimping but they are just big TRICKING!
White men date Asian women because they can’t get white women. White women rejected them. So when one Asian woman says “yes” to them simply because they have white fetishes they develop asian fetishes in turn and see Asian women as easy. Its also all the Asian porn. I don’t blame Asian men for being angry I would too if my women were being exploited like that.
Very well said. I’m not sure if this has been said already (because I’m not reading through 10 pages+ of comments), but I believe there are certainly specific reasons why we are attracted to certain ‘types’ of people. I do tend to be attracted to Asian women and most of my male friends are asian as well. I think it’s a cultural thing for me. I find American culture to be fairly coarse with very little ceremony left in it. What’s Christmas about again??? I am actually quite sad that many (most?) Asian cultures are absorbing what I see as the more mundane aspects of American culture. That being said, I have several ideas on why I am attracted to Asian women (none of which are remotely one of the stereotypical reasons), but I don’t believe we even need to discuss that since it doesn’t matter. Each of us has the right to feel whatever we want and there is no need to justify a feeling to anyone other then ourselves.
Peace.
I am an asian man and this is how I feel…
I am not racist. I just prefer not to hang out with these types of people. I’v given them a chance but they make me uncomfortable. The white guys come across too creepy and the asian female seem to be out to prove something.
Overall, I feel inter-racial couples are trying too hard to “prove” something to society. They unconsciously try to display an air about them that sets them apart from asian people like me as if to say they are somehow better or worthy just because they are inter-racial. I think a better word for this is “insecure”.
Anytime a white person goes out of his or her way for an asian, I feel they are lacking something in their own world. Now having said that, I do not feel this same “creepy” feeling when white people act normal and try to be friends and not try to remind me that I am asian or they like to have sexual conquests of asian women or they like chinese food therefore they like asian sex, or I once had an asian friend therefore you should like me, etc, etc.
A Korean friend asked me recently, “You’re real popular with Korean girls, aren’t you?†After replying I had a Korean girlfriend, he never talked to me again. Do white guys react in this way after being `attacked’ by Asian men over Asian women? Maybe John Lennon was right: All you need is love? But he could afford to be so aloof. He was white and Yoko wasn’t.
Criticizing interracial relationships between white men and Asian women is the third rail of Asian American identity politics. You don’t do it, especially as an Asian American man. But the issue deserves debate. And, yes, again.
I don’t have a problem with interracial couples. My problem is with willfully ignorant people who embrace myths like “color-blind love transcends racial inequalities” and “all Asian men are sexist while white men are not.” Of course, any couple can “fall in love.” It’s naive, however, to ignore the reality of white privilege.
Historically, negative stereotypes of Asians in the West, countered by positive stereotypes of white people globally, are why most Asians still use white people as yardsticks of success _ particularly in the dating field.
I’m well aware that my attractiveness to native Korean women over native Korean men has a lot to do with my privilege as an American gyopo man. But this advantage doesn’t exist outside of Asia like it does for white men. That’s the difference.
“Sorry, I don’t date Asian guys because they’re too sexist or nerdy” is a refrain I’ve heard a lot from Asian American girls. Too bad, Hollywood has been selling the same stereotype of Asian men forever.
For every Pitt, Clooney, and Damon the world sees in Oceans 11, 12, and 13, Asian men get the same mute Chinese acrobat who fits into boxes. Globally, Western white men are allowed to be everything Asian men are not, sexy and nonsexist. They even speak.
In the U.S., Asian American women married white spouses at nearly twice the rate as Asian American men, according to the 2000 Census. Korean American women had the second highest outmarriage (marriage to whites) rate of all Asian American women (Japanese American women were first) at 24.3 percent of all marriages compared to Korean American men at only 3.9 percent. In Korea, Korean women surveyed by Bien-Aller, a Seoul-based matchmaking company, preferred white spouses over other races at 32.9 percent compared to Korean men at only 14.4 percent.
Numerous studies contend this discrepancy is unique to Asian Americans since in other racial groups men outmarry more than women. (Outmarriage statistics for black women with white men, interestingly, were nearly the same statistical inverse of the Asian female situation. Coincidence? Last time I checked, black women were dissed by the global media almost as much as Asian men–save Beyonce).
So, why the gender gap? A popular explanation is the overt patriarchy in Asian culture, like the sexist preference of sons over daughters to preserve the family name. But equally important is the West’s wartime legacy in Asia, like U.S. servicemen, camptown-centered brothels and Asian war brides. Sorry, but a white man’s earnest claim that he is “nice” and not like other perverted white guys addicted to Asian porn isn’t enough to erase history.
The West is smug in thinking it’s so liberal. Most interracial couples speak the man’s native language, English. Many “liberal†white men don’t seek equally “liberal†Western white woman. And white “feminists†leave the home but hire non-white women to replace them.
Furthermore, feminist history in Asia is, in fact, strong. In Korea, women were largely in control of their own lives during the Koryo period before Confucianism was introduced. Patrilineage was uncommon, inheritance was equally divided among sons and daughters, and widows were known to remarry. A long time ago, yes. But sexism is clearly not “inherent” to Asian culture?despite the hype.
Introducing these points usually mean being personally attacked on my masculinity and sense of self-worth, a classic example of how the culture of power places the burden of proof on those with less power. Meanwhile, those with more power have the luxury to brand my arguments as mere “complaints.” This is known as hypocrisy, folks. A parallel example would be me blaming Asian women for being vain and appearance-obsessed without questioning my own complicity in sexism. I can act calm and collected because my self-worth isn’t reduced to my waistline.
Ask a white man to switch places with an Asian man and he’ll feel the difference in power quick. Not to mention, they’d probably do more than just complain, like legally ban Asians from entering their country for decades, create “anti-miscegenation” laws that would prohibit interracial marriage, encourage state-wide sterilization programs for non-white women, and kill non-white men for just looking at white women _ all in the name of “science” and “pure” white nationhood. Oh wait, they already did.
Meanwhile, tales about marriage between an indigenous woman of color and white men _ think Pocahontas _ have long been staples of European-American culture, says George Lipsitz. The native woman’s love for the white man serves to establish the moral superiority of the conqueror’s culture. These stories turn the brutality and sadism of conquest into a voluntary romance.
That’s why people who argue Asian women are resisting Asian sexism by marrying white men are mistaken. In this context, what defines “agency” (or the power of the oppressed) is actually overextended. If the women were aware of their oppression outside Asia, then this might be true. However, most Asian women are not, so they just trade Asian sexism for a “nicer” white, Western sexism and racism.
If white feminists didn’t marry Asian men to combat Western sexism, why would the opposite be true?
It’s easy to criticize someone like me as defending native Asian men because I’m Asian. But I’m also American, an irony lost on most white Western men who brand me as some sort of Korean nationalist. I have no problem criticizing Asia, like how East Asian men exploit South East Asian women but still use marriages between the two as proof of how “cultural understanding” they are. Here, the power dynamics are clear. So, what makes white men with Asian women that different?
Ultimately, it’s not about arguing who’s “worse” or shallowly emphasizing that we’re all sexist and racist. It’s about taking the issue less personally, enough to see that there are larger forces at play. I love my parents but still find it important to criticize the ridiculously classist system they came from. Consequently, the current state of interracial relationships doesn’t equal “racial harmony” as much as some people would like to believe.
After all, it’s called “color-blind love” for a reason. It blinds you to the truth.
From another white mans point of view, i think that other men are just thretened by others’ (men) ability to know what they want and not feel bad about it. The culture is still very naive to the idea of being comfortable with knowing what you want. The idea that white men shoud be with white women and have a little house with a picket fence is still the way most of America thinks. Men along with women are evolving in the way that they are more open to finding out what makes them happy. We should never limit ourselves to what others think is right or even preferable. I am glad you took the time to write this.
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i got a lot of emails and i just wanna say all you guys are jealous and all you girls are jealous that white guys dont want to date you. i found my gf who im gonna marry and shes vietnamese (i barely found out vietnamese are asians). all asians are similar…culturally. got alot of emaisl of you guys criticizing me. but im happy, so back off
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Asian women already commenting on how they look down on Asian men! You CANNOT have a biracial family and be a fit mother when you are fucking putting men of your own race down, not unless you plan on having girls. SRSLY WTF!?
good views rather than discriminate other ethnic as bad type 🙂
Why is it that articles like this even have to exist? Having to justify why you are attracted to Asian women makes it seem like it’s an oddity or there’s something wrong with it. If men who don’t like justifying it, then why draw attention to it. Can’t a man just be attracted to a woman because of her beauty? Must we categorize it? A woman can be beautiful regardless of her race. Beauty has no boundaries.
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Maybe one white hubby can accept you for who you are but white-America does not accept Asians as anything but ‘honorary guests’ or fringe members. I also find it appalling that white men with no prior associations with Asian men are going to be the parents of half-Asian sons.
This article strikes a chord with me.
Sort of.
When I was pretty young, I lived in an area that was very multicultural, but predominantly Chinese. My mother had lived in Japan with her diplomat aunt and uncle, and spoke Japanese to us as children. My earliest memories are watching my family practice judo and ju-jitsu at the dojo, and I started learning judo at the age of four. Basically, we lived in the Toronto area, which means that 98% of my friends’ mother tongue was not English.
We moved to a very conservative, overwhelmingly ‘white’ area after that. In high school I was barely attracted to anyone, and for years, I wondered what was wrong with me. I just couldn’t stand the thought of any of the boys I knew touching me. Was I gay? I don’t know. I tried dating ‘white’ boys, but it never worked out.
Then I met Mike. From the second he walked into my store, I was enthralled. He was just so beautiful, I couldn’t take my eyes off him. A mutual friend intruduced us later, and we started dating. To this day, I’m not exactly sure what it was that floored me. Was it his classic Korean features, his bad boy charm or his soft voice? We dated on and off for a year, and since then I haven’t looked back.
I like East Asian men. I find them incredibly attractive. Why? who knows. Now, it’s not that I’m uneducated. I know that race doesn’t exist, biologically. On the other hand, this doesn’t mean that just because a guy is ‘asian’, that I’ll like him. It doesn’t mean that I’m completely unattracted to white men. But I also won’t lie to myself and pretend that a good looking guy with jet black hair, prominent epicanthal fold almond coloured skin and a smooth chest doesn’t drive me crazy.
Not that this hasn’t caused me problems. Alot of ‘white’ men get positively outraged when they find out about my preference. How could I possibly not love Only white men, when everyone knows that asian men treat their women terribly,are workoholics, stay out all night drinking and have notoriously small penises…That sort of bullshit.
This attitude drives me crazy. Who cares? Another idea I hear is that clearly I watch too much anime. Thanks, but actually, it’s because I grew up in a family that was very interested in Japanese culture that I was introduced to anime, not the other way around.
I’m interested in other cultures. Do I want to become Japanese, or Korean? No. I can’t change my heritage, nor would I want to. I’m proud of my Toronto/East Coast/Canadian/Irish/Scottish/English heritage and identity.
It’s hard, when it comes to talking about my preferences, too. I think it scared off one boyfriend, who could never really shake the idea that I liked him because of his race. Now I must admit that the Anthropologist in me was totally thrilled to be dating someone who’s first language was Fukunese. But the fact that he was a beautiful dancer, cooked persian food and got along with my friends was what made me like him. Anyway. It’s hard. You don’t know what to think. Are you being racist for being attracted to another race? but race doesn’t exist, so what does it matter?
Fuck it. People are weird. Attraction is physical. If that’s what they like, more power to them. You think in a world where Obama is president, we would be past this kind of debate, but we are only now starting to talk about it.
To be honest, I have wondered, independently, in the past, if white men liking Asian women doesn’t have something to do with a colonial/power hang up. I never read that anywhere; it just occurred to me. And I think there may be some truth to it, in the case of some men.
On a fundamental level, we are attracted to certain hallmarks of difference though. An interesting accent is very attractive; I’ve been told that by others and I have experienced it myself. I think we all like to be with somebody who amazes or intrigues us, and some ostensible difference is a point of interest.
I have to confess, as a woman, that some of the disparaging comments you’ve heard are definitely as a result of jealousy. There is something…mildly insulting…about a man kind of turning his back on the image of woman that has been most immediate to him, throughout his entire life. As a white woman, you can be guilty of thinking “Wow, what’s wrong with US? What’s the fascination with this ‘Other’? We seem to feel that social conditioning should have kept you with us. You’ve been socialised to like white women, surely? There must be some primal idea that you’re kind of in our ‘camp’ and we react jealously to your straying from it.
It makes sense when you consider the evolutionary interest in having your own genetic features carried on in your children. If you are more attracted to women whose features will eclipse your own, in your own progeny, then you’re definitely in the minority. This has been documented in medical and psychological studies. I guess as someone who goes against ‘the norm’, in that sense, you unfortunately will always take flak for it.
As a woman again, though, I believe in universal principles of fairness! I have an attractive male friend who kept up a long term, long-distance relationship with an Asian girlfriend. And when I saw a picture of her, I felt so cheated. There are lots of gorgeous Asian women, but she didn’t match my criteria for that at all. Again…evolution strikes. Had she been gorgeous, well, it wouldn’t have mattered whether she was from the moon. I felt indignant, not because she was Asian, but because she wasn’t an outstandingly pretty, stylish and fabulous woman, full stop. This guy has beautiful women throwing themselves at him every day…and they don’t live on the other side of the world.
Jealous? Yes. Because on the surface, it’s hard to understand.
So, to answer some of your questions: I genuinely believe it’s all about evolution.
Everybody should just do what works for them if it doesn’t hurt anybody. In the end, we are more than the race that we appear on the outside. It’s who we are on the inside that matters. Let’s keep racial politics out of our bedrooms and out of our dating lives.
I think there are a lot of white men asian women couples. But why hark on that if the couples are happy? A majority of the guys that I date are white, but–it’s neither something to be proud of or ashamed of.
My first wife was a CF, a few years older than me. After my divorce I didn’t look for a LTR for over 10 years. I had always been attracted to the Asian Female; I have no idea why since I grew up in an all white Middle American small town. I now live in SF, Ca where the cultures are so varied and mixed that hearing English on the street is just about the same as hearing Cantonese.
I met and married an ABC woman. She had been married for 28 years to a Chinese man. The fact that I married had nothing to do with her being Chinese; the fact that we met had everything to do with my preference, based upon my attraction to the Asian female. It is something about the way most Asian women seem to be more female or feminine than the typical CF.
I am 6′, blue eyes, light colored hair and we make a very striking couple, or so we have been told. My wife is NOT submissive, timid or shy. She has embraced several careers including being an actress in TV commercial and movies. She is my equal in every way, yet she is also the fairer sex and she is all woman.
I did date a few CF, a Japanese woman a Filipina girl and an Italian woman, a lady from Canada (French) and a Mexican woman. There wasn’t anything that held my interest. So I gave up until I met my ABC. Rather than fight any interracial belief or concept I embraced the whole idea and found that she was the perfect woman for me.
So go with what you prefer, what you are attracted to, regardless of race or color. We are all part of the human race and my wife is one terrific lady, regardless of the fact that she is not a CF. She is a beautiful, bright, captivating Chinese lady.
Hey Jeremy and Tony, this is my first time going to the asiance website and after reading the article by Jay Spark, I felt that he did bring home the fact that whether we asian or non asian like it or not, Women of ALL races can and will date and or become intimate with the man of her choice regardless of race. Jeremy, I am with you of wanting to get an asian man’s opinion about interracial relationships in general, including asian women\white men since these discussions can help move our country forward in fighting hate and intolerance. As a black male, I too feel that my asian brothers are not getting the respect and positive spotlight that they deserve in the US media. To my asian brothers doing positive things in their communities and across the land, Big Props to you. To Tony, let me know when you are finished with your article. I have read some opinions from Nancy Lee and she was on top of the issue. I feel that your article will be even more informative about asian men feelings on af\nam relationships. To any asian ladies in interracial relationships or are considering IRs, please keep posting your views on the subject especially those who are dating black men as af\bm relationship are becoming more common as well as am\bf relationships. Jeremy and Tony I hope to get a reply back form you guys soon. Take Care.
i am a bi racial man, half asian half white. i was born here in the U.S and grew up here. I am the product of a interracial marriage. i have noticed that asian woman date white men quite frequently, especially on the two coasts, Chicago area, Texas, Florida etc.
But I hardly see asian or asian american men dating white women. Why is this? Could it be racism. In my view caucasion woman hold deeper racial preferences than do caucasion men. What i really mean, is that white men are more global in their thinking. They are more willing to “think outside the box” White woman, i believe are scared to date someone outside their race, for fear of the unknown, embarrasment, etc. Now their are cases where white woman do date and marry asian men, and other non-anglo races. But lets face it, asian woman look much better than asian men. How many times have you seen a “good looking” asian man. I have not seen many. Many asian woman are beautiful, and sexy. And men know this. A lot of men just want to get in “bed with these asian woman” Their is something exotic about asian woman that many men of all races feel attracted to. I have to say Chinese, Thai and Vietnamese woman are the most attractive. Now their are many anglo woman that are beautiful also, but their is something in them that turns men of all races off. Personally I like white woman. I look more asian, but I also have the european features in me. Some people say I look somewhat mexican, costa rican, filipino, peruvian etc. I sometimes feel like the united nations. But all in all I am a half decent looking man. I also believe some asian woman date white men, because they think that maybe they will be able to climb the american social ladder faster, and that by having kids with these white men, that their children will be mixed and be able to assimilate into american culture better.
This site is like massive propaganda machines for whites men with Asian fetish. It is created by a white Jew, staffed by whites men and self-hating Asian women disguised as a “Magazine for Asian American women”
This is Asian American? Reinforcing the tyranny of whites and promoting whiteness as a social value. LOL.
LOL… The only picture of an Asian guy on this site is an Ad for Hepatitis B. Asian American Women magazine? Are there any Asian guy on your staff that is not gay?
The only white men that date Asian women are those that are not by America’s standard, ‘masculine,’ or as a friend once put it, “wormy white guys.” This sort of man as compared to many other white men, is not very loud, assertive, aggressive, strong or powerful, and seeks a woman (Asian) that makes him feel all of the things I previously mentioned AND/OR is intimidated by the more bold and abrasive white women. He wants a woman that makes him feel like a real man, rather than a nerd or a ‘nice guy’. We Asian women are (most of the time but not all) more gentle, considerate, forgiving, quiet, polite, and for lack of better words, sweeter. If a guy makes a joke that wasn’t all that funny, we laugh anyway-these sort of things. A white man who is by many standards “nerdy,” are often seen with Asian women. Which is just fine, as I like nerds and they are the ones who rule the world. I also think white men like dating Asian men because it makes them feel like they can be in charge. One white male friend feels that, “white girls always cuss, always think you’re hitting on them if you srike up a conversation, and aren’t afraid to offend anyone.” He also thinks Asian women generally are happier with themselves and don’t try to be masculine-but I don’t necessarily agree. I consider myself to be very strong and assertive. My commment seems very stereotypical, but it is entirely my own opinion from life experience. We all have opinions. Mine are very specific. I would like to hear if anyone agrees with anything.
Here’s my 2 cents; that is if anyone is interested to know a viewpoint from a person born, bred and living in Asia.
I’m a Chinese (not from China) and from another part of the world. I’ve dated many Chinese men .. and 2 serious relationships previously; before I met my partner and we’re about to be engaged 😀
Coming from a mostly Chinese population, I don’t blame those women for wanting White men more. My partner happens to be Chinese too, but he’s very different as he has been to, live and grew up in Australia for much of his life. His viewpoint in terms of relationship and respect for women is what attracts me in the first place.
My experience with Chinese men before my partner has been sadly … lacking. I’ve dated a guy who loves women wearing pink and requested I do the same on our next date. Another guy’s viewpoint of a woman in life is to sit at home and provide him babies .. lots of babies .. like a baby machine. I was really disgusted of course and went the other way. A friend introduced me this man who earns very little and yet does not agree that his partner should work too to help with expenses. One of the major problems with the men I’ve known and seen in other people’s relationships (which broke down or ended in divorce) are either the men is very much a mummy’s boy and needs his partner as his ‘mom’; lets his parents control the girl’s life, her job and their marriage; or money issues which the wife is not allowed to be out and working. All this happened to my relatives and cousin sisters by the way.
My first relationship went down the drain when he left me by the roadside at 10pm … in a secluded area … after we had a fight. My second one had no respect for me whatsoever, hung up my calls whenever a ‘discusssion’ is not to his liking and had a affair with his ex. I was scarred from this experiences and it took more than 2 years to finally accept the love of my new partner .. which he stood by me through this times and for that I’m very grateful.
Maybe it’s just my luck .. who knows. But my previous experiences and 2 bad relationships made me a very sceptical person, untrustworthy towards men in general and my current partner had a really tough time dealing with me in the first 3 years of our relationship. I find it very hard to trust men. But he was very stubborn, he stood by me, he believed in me and because of the good he has shown me (even though he does not deserve being given such a hard time for other people’s mistakes), I’m a much better person now. I learned to trust and love again. It’s too good to be true … sometimes I’m so afraid it’ll all be taken away from me.
That is to say, not all relationships are bad. Not all women want a ‘worldly’ man, it depends on their own ideals of a family life. I know of female friends who does not like White men and prefers Asians more due to same cultural background, beliefs and most importantly able to communicate with their families. They typically marries into a very traditional family, where the parents-in-law helps them make most of the couple’s decisions; from where to live, what food to cook for their husband to how many grandchild they want.
But for me, I do not want to marry into a family only to be told by my mother-in-law I have to quit my job and be a housewife, even though I have a Masters degree in Science and earning well; and worse of all my partner doesn’t stand by me. I do not want to put my life in the hands of my husband or his family. I just want to be … me.
Here’s my 2 cents; that is if anyone is interested to know a viewpoint from a person born, bred and living in Asia.
I’m a Chinese (not from China) and from another part of the world. I’ve dated many Chinese men .. and 2 serious relationships previously; before I met my partner and we’re about to be engaged 😀
Coming from a mostly Chinese population, I don’t blame those women for wanting White men more. My partner happens to be Chinese too, but he’s very different as he has been to, live and grew up in Australia for much of his life. His viewpoint in terms of relationship and respect for women is what attracts me in the first place.
My experience with Chinese men before my partner has been sadly … lacking. I’ve dated a guy who loves women wearing pink and requested I do the same on our next date. Another guy’s viewpoint of a woman in life is to sit at home and provide him babies .. lots of babies .. like a baby machine. I was really disgusted of course and went the other way. A friend introduced me this man who earns very little and yet does not agree that his partner should work too to help with expenses. One of the major problems with the men I’ve known and seen in other people’s relationships (which broke down or ended in divorce) are either the men is very much a mummy’s boy and needs his partner as his ‘mom’; lets his parents control the girl’s life, her job and their marriage; or money issues which the wife is not allowed to be out and working. All this happened to my relatives and cousin sisters by the way.
My first relationship went down the drain when he left me by the roadside at 10pm … in a secluded area … after we had a fight. My second one had no respect for me whatsoever, hung up my calls whenever a ‘discusssion’ is not to his liking and had a affair with his ex. I was scarred from this experiences and it took more than 2 years to finally accept the love of my new partner .. which he stood by me through this times and for that I’m very grateful.
Maybe it’s just my luck .. who knows. But my previous experiences and 2 bad relationships made me a very sceptical person, untrustworthy towards men in general and my current partner had a really tough time dealing with me in the first 3 years of our relationship. I find it very hard to trust men. But he was very stubborn, he stood by me, he believed in me and because of the good he has shown me (even though he does not deserve being given such a hard time for other people’s mistakes), I’m a much better person now. I learned to trust and love again. It’s too good to be true … sometimes I’m so afraid it’ll all be taken away from me.
That is to say, not all relationships are bad. Not all women want a ‘worldly’ man, it depends on their own ideals of a family life. I know of female friends who does not like White men and prefers Asians more due to same cultural background, beliefs and most importantly able to communicate with their families. They typically marries into a very traditional family, where the parents-in-law helps them make most of the couple’s decisions; from where to live, what food to cook for their husband to how many grandchild they want.
But for me, I do not want to marry into a family only to be told by my mother-in-law I have to quit my job and be a housewife, even though I have a Masters degree in Science and earning well; and worse of all my partner doesn’t stand by me. I do not want to put my life in the hands of my husband or his family. I just want to be … me.
I am chinese man. You can see that white man lust after asian woman cuz asian woman are superior to white woman…this is normal for white man to lust after them…I can also see asian woman infatuated with white man and go after white man at every chance..the reason for that is mainly historical resaon (not financial as most people think although it can be a factor)…asian womean have developed an inferiority complex about their own race which is causing a large percentage of them (not all) esp the ones who r in position to do so to give themselves to white men even those at an inferior level. This results in an efficient market in the favour of white man and to the disadvantage of asian women…of course we asian men and white women all hate this kind of inefficient market. SO I can see all the detractors here are mainly white women and asian men…and all those who are fans are mainly asian women follow by white men. By the way, to the asian women (not all)…you’re inferiority complex is becoming an embarassment. There nothing wrong with true love even between different races…but love base on your perverted inferiorty complex is an embarassment…Please know in fact asians are the superior race…they have bigger brains and higher IQ on average than whites…perhaps they have bigger cocks…but I choose bigger brain as my benchmark anytime for superiority…yes white european culture has been dominant for last 500 years but asian culture has been dominant for first 4500 years and 500 years is nothing in the vastness of history…dont be so short sighted and you will see white race inferior again in next 5000…by the way the so call advance technologies developed in last 500 years by white culture will be just as primitive as paper, compass and gun poweder when look afre 5000 years of time by chinese historians with the unimaginable technologies that will be deveoped in the next 5000 years by chinese culture…so u asian airheads please wake up from ur embarssing inferiority complexes
I am chinese man. You can see that white man (at least those that r not blinded by their superiority complexes) lust after asian woman cuz asian woman are superior to white woman…this is normal for white man to lust after them…I can also see asian woman infatuated with white man and go after white man at every chance..the reason for that is mainly historical resaon (not financial as most people think although it can be a factor)…asian womean have developed an inferiority complex about their own race which is causing a large percentage of them (not all) esp the ones who r in position to do so to give themselves to white men even those at an inferior level. This results in an efficient market in the favour of white man and to the disadvantage of asian women…of course we asian men and white women all hate this kind of inefficient market. SO I can see all the detractors here are mainly white women and asian men…and all those who are fans are mainly asian women follow by white men. By the way, to the asian women (not all)…you’re inferiority complex is becoming an embarassment. There nothing wrong with true love even between different races…but love base on your perverted inferiorty complex is an embarassment…Please know in fact asians are the superior race…they have bigger brains and higher IQ on average than whites…perhaps they have bigger cocks…but I choose bigger brain as my benchmark anytime for superiority…yes white european culture has been dominant for last 500 years but asian culture has been dominant for first 4500 years and 500 years is nothing in the vastness of history…dont be so short sighted and you will see white race inferior again in next 5000…
Why are Asian Americans still using the word Assimilate?
Assimilation is an idea used by the dominant society to deal with and rid themselves of the problem of “Immigrants.” For example, RabbitProofFence is a documentary movie describing the forced assimilation in 1931 of mixed raced women to marry white men. The goal was to eliminate all traces of Aboriginal phenotype in 4 generations. Rubert Murdoch’s father was an active government participant/supporter of this regime using his media skills – and you wonder why Asian men (and China) are currently presented they way they are in Murdoch’s media companies (versus the way British are presented).
Asian Americans should never use the word Assimilate, the goal is SELF ACTUALIZATION. Live to your potential, not to theirs. Seek assimilation and you can only hope to win the best second class citizen prize.
Why don’t you see Asian women with Black men or Latino men? Because it’s White men who have spread their colonialism around. White men have this miss Saigon fetish yet they won’t admit it. The typical UCLA Asian sell out whore lusting after the pointy nosed lowered BMW driving yellow fever idiot makes me sick. All you Asian women trying to justify this are SELLOUTS!
>>Why don’t you see Asian women with Black men or Latino men? Because it’s White men who have spread their colonialism around. White men have this miss Saigon fetish yet they won’t admit it. The typical UCLA Asian sell out whore lusting after the pointy nosed lowered BMW driving yellow fever idiot makes me sick. All you Asian women trying to justify this are SELLOUTS!<< Because most Asian women are racist, white-worshiping fools who use anti-black bigotry to bond with their white guys--and Asian guys too. I know exactly what you speak of men, Asian women in California, and maybe elsewhere, are racist as hell; particularly towards black men. I can't even begin to count the number of racist experiences I have had with them out here in the Cali Bay Area. Some of the worst experiences I have had out here have been at the hands of the Asian female. They are EVIL. These women are so fearful of black men, that they get disgusted looks across their faces any time they come around one; no matter how he looks. They are racist ALL THE DAMN TIME too; it never stops with them. Damn are they evil.
Most of the commentors here seem to be untraveled, ignorant, rude, immature, jealous and insecure little people.
See what a professional writer and extremely well-traveled individual says in “Asian Women in Asia–A Dating and Marriage Guide for Westerners.” It’s the most extensive, comprehensive and helpful free article anywhere on this topic. http://www.asianwomeninasia.com
Asian women dates white guys because white guys treat them better than their kind and also they don’t have to deal with their culture.
Ha! if by professional writer, you mean old pervert who can’t get any in the states and must depend on asian hoes, then so be it. but since you had the courage to post your autobiography, i highly recommend people go to the link for a good (yet sad) laugh. you deserved it man.
I’m an ABC women raised in Portland, Or. (very American childhood, but with very traditional Chinese parents) and after reading Ken’s arrogant and immature msg above.. solidifies my opinion of why Asian men don’t get dates. Talk about a superiority complex! I’ll tell you why we prefer Caucasian men. I’m far from a model, but I think I’m ok looking enough and been in enough relationships to know what’s up. I’ve dated men of almost every major race including Asian, Middle Eastern, Black and Hispanic. But yes, I’ve mostly by far dated Caucasian men and still prefer it this way.
I’ll respond to the other African-American’s response as well below. But here are (my) the reasons:
1.) You cannot deny that many, MANY Asian families grow up with dysfunctional parental support systems – often the men emotionally abusing both the wives and children. My father was a very typical Chinese father who [horribly] verbally abused my Mom, then the kids with his vile mouth and terrible temper. On the flipside, many (altho. certainly not the norm as there are crazy Asian moms too) Asian mothers tend to be more nurturing and caring, thus, most Asian kids have better relations with their Mothers.
If anything, THIS is the #1 reason why most Asian women don’t date Asian men. Like father, like son.. most of our parental traits are passed down whether we like it or not b/c that is ingrained in us as children. We fear it, we avoid it at ALL costs. Caucasian men do have far better emotional intelligence partly due to the U.S. acceptance of psychotherapy and counseling (or working out problems??), thus, know how to carry a sustaining and healthy relationship that is giving and loving.
2.) Appearance (not the god-given type) – I’m sorry to say this. Many, note I say not all, Asian men typically carry the inherited traits of their traditional Asian fathers and do not know how to look “attractive”.. whether that is physically staying in shape, getting a good haircut or wearing fitted, better clothes compared to Western men. This is a big one. When I do see an Asian men who tries to take care of his appearance, it IS a turn-on.. but oddly enough, those guys are the ones who typically try to date Caucasian women or Asian model lookalikes.
If you say that I’m being superficial.. well, you cannot deny that the human species is like that of any other animal. Read the “Evolution of Desire” by David Buss… the male peacock who has the brightest plumage gets the biggest attention from the female peacocks.
3.) That said, this goes also into social interaction and personality. Most Asians already have a difficult time socializing in general, and when you put 2 inept social birds together – it doesn’t result in a whopping good time. I prefer to have a conversationalist with someone who knows how to talk and make me laugh.
Regarding the black guy’s response above:
I’m sorry that you have experienced, well, some prejudice from Asian women in the past. But I’ll have to tell you – it’s not b/c we aren’t attracted to black men (I think Denzel Washington and Taye Diggs are hot as hell), but b/c it’s super taboo to bring an African-American home to a traditional Asian home. 🙁 This goes the same with Latinos and even SE Asian men. Dating only your own race or dating Caucasian men is acceptable to most Asian families.
I must admit though, I do believe there would be some larger problems between mixing Asian and Black cultures together b/c they are just so different. I’ve only dated one black guy, but I didn’t feel the connection b/c of the difference in how we were brought up and how we look at the world. Asians value education, status and saving money for the future (often w/o having fun), Blacks value family, respect and having a good time in the present. So I think that is something that we try to culturally avoid.
Asian women may look like objects because of all the stereotypes about them, but who’s fault was it? Asian men were the ones who taught and told women through out past history how to be lady like and be submissive and extremely feminine. Heck, many Asian countries have sex tourisms for tourists. So when you bring all that together, what kinds of image are asian males in Asia sending to the world about their females?? So truly, can you blame other countries such as the US if they see these kinds of stereotypes on Asian women??
…just admit why they come to Asia. And admit the previledge you get from being white here.
Im a black man living in asia. And it is ridiculous.
Here is a good story. I know a 50 year old guy who has a girl friend in her thirties. He gets asked out on a date by a 21 yr old. He lies to his girlfriend about it. She catches him. She ignores seeing him with the girl and the fact that he lied. She sees him the next DAY and continues dating him like nothing happened.
Its not even dating here. I have asked out so many girls who are none responsive. (Japan). Its a joke. Its like white men get off the plane and are greated by women. Im cool cause i know i can go back to america and date most any black/white woman I want.
But when it comes to the Asian girls, I have see a whole new side. Its not even racist, becausee that gives too much credit to thinking about the ups and downs of dating a brotha. Its ignorangce. Hes white and my friends will be jealous. Even parents all but offering their daughters to the white men over here but scared to see even a picture of a black boyfriend.
Anyways, asian women, you all want the white men who come to asia to get a woman, go ahead.
See what its like when you meet his white friends and family and they dislike you because of your asian genes. Dont complain about it, just sit at the table you set for yourself.
I live in NYC. I see nothing but White/Asian relationships. At the college I go too the white guys only associate themselves with Asian women. I personally believe White men are too afraid to date a woman not from a dfferent culture but one who has dark skin or even slightly. Why pick asian women? They look exotic and since they are white they are perfect to date. Us hispanic women and black women are just as good as Asian women BUT since we have bad stereotypes and sadly its been tough that dark is not acceptable, Asian is the only thing left. So, to the women who like white men your screwed unless your Asian.
It’s unexplicable to me why after thousands of years we can’t realize that when you fall in love with someone many aspects of them become a blur( race for example) its the feeling you have towards that person !
Attraction is the spark that sets of a relationship ….love and the long term relationships usually results when the person you were intially attracted to haa more than just the outer beauty…as a young female I can say I am beautiful, smart, and often misunderstood …
“Be the change you wish to see in the world” youll realize racism and the many ways it is characterized really shows how insecure YOU are and the complex that others will not accept you …be you be true to whatever you like …
Theres so much beauty in life …just open yours eyes
Best wishes of love to whomever may read my words and find comfort in knowing someone out there believes all races are beautiful and each person is unique because in the endless years this world has existed and will continue to ..there will only be OnE of you …leave your mark ! And make sure you learn to love alongside someone who wouldnt change a thing about you.:)
Vive votre vie!
Wrong, what you call ‘love’ never takes place in a vacuum EVER, but takes place in an infinitely complicated web of mutually interdependent cause and effect that is initially connected with objectification.
This aformentioned enlightened, idealistic, unconditional ‘love’ that is not based in practical reality, as you’d like to call it would have to be spiritual in nature and unconditional to the point of extending it to all people, dogs, cats, plants, and bugs. So what you are thinking of is an illusion which is understandable considering that you are still young and naive.
Humans don’t screw, dogs, cats, plants, and bugs (not on a regular basis), so our likes and dislikes while having a genetic basis is mostly conditioned by the environment and outside influences that are beyond an individuals control. There is tons of scientific evidence which can support the argument that this phenomenon and trend in interracial dating can be sociologically fabricated by a dominant paradigm or a certain group of people in positions of power.
Although it’s sad to hear of their situations, I am sure the reason these men cheat on their wives has more to do with who they are as people and the dynamics of their relationships than their actual races. I think the key sentence is “the men are balding, gray and pretty damn chubby, while the women are ten to twenty years younger”. To me this sounds like relationships of conveinence for both parties. It may be that these men chose these women because of the sterotypes they wrongly believe, and these women are perpetuating them because they sound like they are gold diggers or social climbers and believe that marrying an older white man will help them succeed in this.
Asian women are like dogs? What is wrong with you? LOL Poor you. Why would you say something so retarded?
All I know is that: of the five White men I know, who are either dating or married to Asian women, all cheat on their Asian females with absolutely no guilt whatsoever. One of the guys, who cheats on his Asian wife, is not even careful about it, and is certain that if she ever did find out, in an obvious way, SHE would find some way to deny it completely.
These relationships are a complete farce.
By the way, all of the men are balding, gray, pretty damn chubby, while the women are ten to twenty years younger; though I can’t say pretty. Although, I’m a White man who is mostly attracted to my own race.
In response to your comment:
Yes, they will sit at the table and be quiet, very quiet, and smile and nod her head, even when she and her whole race is being insulted.
Asian women are extremely prejudice. They are like dogs. When a dog is beaten, they lick the boots of their victor.
But at least they are thinning out the White race.
I used to have a huge crush on this white guy. The first time I met him I was chilling out, maxing, relaxing all cool
And all shooting some b-ball outside of the school
When a couple of guys said were up in no good
Started making trouble in my neighbourhood
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said youre moving with your aunte and uncle in bel-air
I whistled for a cab and when it came near the
Licensplate said fresh and had a dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air
I pulled up to a house about seven or eight
And I yelled to the cabby yo, home smell you later
Looked at my kingdom I was finally there
To settle my throne as the prince of bel-air
Asian girls are good for sex, not for marriage. All Asian women belong to us. They are inferior to us. They must bow down to the White Man, no matter what. Now bow down before me!
Thank you……I was waiting for someone to notice this. I agree 100%.
Eh….you are so smart…can you enlighten me more?
NO YOU CANT BECAUSE YOURE A FUCKING IDIOT
Judging by your theory anyone who doesn’t date the first person they hit has a fetish for the kind of person they actually do date.
Go fuck yourself because you definitely should not reproduce.
Why do you act like you know things? You know this author and who he is or what he writes about? Its because of people like you that the world is falling apart. You are an idiot in every sense of the word.
Know what my experience has been? That most white guys that date asian women aren’t assholes. Asian women aren’t as easy as white women so all those guys that just wanna bang everything that moves don’t go after them.
And the nerd thing. Really? Come on now.
Now I wonder how anyone would ever date you as you’re a heartless bitch…
oh yea, just like you said, its because you put out
As a blackman I agree! It’s a so true. It’s calling saving Face! White men know this so (cheating being sloppy)they get away with murder. I’ll take it a step further, I don’t even look at the (In a couple setting) Asian women as if she feels that somehow I should take notice that (Dating the Fat Dumpy Guy) she’s made it. White’s are not the social butterfly of the American society, but Asian women did not get the memo yet!
At the end of the day, which male has the most interacial babies with all races in America. Nuff Said!
If this is the case, then why are you MAD. They got what they got! They were not going to date black or other wise. I bet your scum bag of a sisters would do it all over again, or continue to look for thier white knight.
So if your daughter dates a black guy, keep your mmouth shut, because you know that the white man isn’t better!
Karma is good for your sisters! They need to learn from it!
I’ll make a couple of points. I’m a white guy, I’m 6-2, 220, in decent shape. Yes, i can get plenty of white women, no problem. I just prefer asian women. i’m currently dating a filipina, who is an american citizen. It has nothing to do with feeling superior or me being controlling or anything else. I love her for her, simple as that. I am more physically attracted to asian women, can’t really explain totally why. Overall, i guess i could say they are more feminine to me.
There are some really blatant haters/racist on he ere. Who cares who u marry? what color person you love? Some of you need to examine your hearts.
I woulnd’t condone the behavior of the white guy or the Japanese women who shun a black man. That being said, I lived in Japan for several years while serving in the military. I saw tons of Japanese women who were dating or wanted to date black guys, latino guys etc. Not every white guy gets treated like a god in Japan either.
If white, black and Latino women are tired of seeing white men date Asian women then why don’t they start considering dating Asian/Asian American men? So many white men are looking past race/ethnicity in their relationships; it’s time for certain groups of American women to do the same.
cheating; it happens in all types of relationships, all cultures etc. Cheating is not confined nor is it more frequent in white male/Asian female relationships.
“Please know in fact asians are the superior race…they have bigger brains and higher IQ on average than whites…perhaps they have bigger cocks…but I choose bigger brain as my benchmark anytime for superiority”
– Ken you’re a real piece of work aren’t you? If Asians have higher IQs then I suppose you are just an exception to the rule because you don’t exhibit much critical thinking. As for bigger cocks; I never cared nor paid any attention to that but maybe you’re the expert on this one. I’ll just defer to your experience on this issue and not comment.
As for white women being inferior; you need to come to the U.S. and tell some of my ABC friends that their white wives are inferior. I think you’ll get some serious enlightenment from them.
With regards to Asian values and the West; sadly, your view is very typical of contemporary Mainland Chinese thinking. Yes, I’ve lived in Mainland China so I know how bad it can be. Many people (like you) in Mainland China are an embarrassment to Confucian values and the more refined side of Chinese culture. If you want to see how society should be then just go to Taiwan and observe how the younger generation balances Chinese culture with Western and other modern value systems. They don’t need to constantly criticize other cultures to make themselves feel good.
love is when two diffrent people learn to appreciate each others diffrences, ethnicity dont matter who ever who you are with.
ignorance is bliss
I’m Asian girl from REAL ASIA, and I think you’re way too ignorance. Asian girls hates uneducated and unrespectful man like you whether you’re white or not! If they don’t care? they’re all same shit just like you. I saw some Japanese girl tried to marry with American to get a citizenship, you may deserve that shits.
But you never can humiliate all Asian girls, especially real asian girls in their own country! You idiot!
what the hell! since when were asian women allowed on the internet?!
I’m a blond blue eyed white guy (I’m 22) and I must say a few things.
First off, Why do men insult us for liking Asian women? Especially black men? (seriously, it’s like you all are never satsified, you have your women, then you have white women and because you get turned down by one Asian woman you get all fussy). Alot of Asian women I have met don’t even care about the man’s race. And why do they say it’s because of a “”white washed society” that Asian women date us? It seems like complaining to me. Some of us also like black women, but that is a different story.
Second, There is something about an Asian woman that brings out the man in you. There is a certain “cuteness” that Asian women have about them (yes I said it) that drive men of all races and ethnicities crazy. Asian women are very special and unique in America, especially where they’re a major minority. Simply put, Asian women are gorgeuos.
Last but not lest. I think that the posters on here claiming to be white men and are saying nasty things about Asian women are really not white men. (Wow, talk about a run on sentence). I think that they are just trying to make white men look bad. Most white men think the world of Asian women.
Just admit it. You have yellow fever, dummy.
seriously being a white woman in america is a nightmare. i have never met such rampant yellow fever in my life. it’s like a disease here. a cliche, a fetish. please white guys can you not be original in your tastes instead of bowing down to the media and also why go for women who all look the same????? and don’t have proper eyes or women’s bodies. i think you must be a paedophile you dirty,dirty man. and please think of your children. halfies look wierd.. sorry to say but they do. and if you have an asian looking male child, you might not get grandchildren.. since the white guys will take all the asian women and white women generaly don’t like asian men.. it’s all very unfortunate. all i can say is that couple like you to make me want to vomit.
As an Asian-American woman, I have dated men of different ethnicities (white, black, latino, asian and arab)and married a white man. Before he met me, my husband had also dated women of other ethnicities as well. We have been married and monogamous for 22 years and have 2 beautiful mixed children. Besides our race difference, we also have a 14 year age difference with him being the eldest. We didn’t choose to marry each other because of each other’s race or material possessions but because of the person inside. It shouldn’t matter what race, age or looks are on the outside when you choose someone to marry but because you can relate to each other intellectually, spiritually and physically as well as have a similar sense of humor. That is what a soul mate is. Also, don’t judge others lest you be judged.
Most white guys can’t get the Pamela Andersons and Tig ol’ bitty blondes so they go for asians. Notice that MOST of the yellow fever whiteboys aren’t the top tier jocks, just wannabes, techies, anime dorks. Plus asian chics right now are into white guys due to rise in popularity of white pussy punk music. Back when rap ruled the 90s, all the asian chics went gaga over black guys.
Most white guys can’t get the Pamela Andersons and Tig ol’ bitty blondes so they go for asians. Notice that MOST of the yellow fever whiteboys aren’t the top tier jocks, just wannabes, techies, anime dorks. Plus asian chics right now are into white guys due to rise in popularity of white pussy punk music. Back when rap ruled the 90s, all the asian chics went gaga over black guys.
Wow how incredibly offensive. Yellow fever is not the reason why ‘being a white woman in America is a nightmare’. You’re the reason being a white woman in American is a nightmare. You and your backward, racist and crude outlook on Asian women, “halfies” and white men. If all white women were like you, well no wonder white men don’t like you.
im an asian gal, and i think white males are attractive. but im still attracted to asian guys though. it doesnt matter. guys will always be guys and girls will always be girls. myb, asian gals can hardly be attracted to asian guys nowadays because most of them are so immature. childish… at least to me. i compare them with my white male friends.
forgive me god…
As a white American male married to a Korean lady for nearly 26 years, I can relate on what the author wrote. The first time I saw a Asian girl in Indianapolis (where I was raised) I was like 7 years old and I immediately was taken with her beauty. I have no idea what her ethnic identity was…possibly Chinese? dunno, but I think the die was cast at that point. When I was older I dated exclusively white and hispanic girls simply because of availability but when I laid eyes on my now wife, my mind whirled. We dated for 3 years and once I gained the trust of her family, we were married. We have two beautiful and well adjusted daughters…one an engineer and the other a junior in college majoring in International Business and minoring in Japanese…she is multilingual fluent in English, Japanese, and Korean and now taking Mandarin..and dating a Korean-American guy. He is golden and we hope they marry although she has no intention of marrying anyone at this point. Our older daughter is married to a white guy who is also golden and we have a absolutely beautiful grand daughter.
I will forever thank that first little Asian girl I saw when I was a little boy…because if it were not for her, chances could be that I would have never flipped for my now beautiful wife.
To the poster who thinks “mixed” kids are unattractive…you are an idiot.
additionally…I wrote the post directly below this one…we have traveled extensively through the years in corporate transfers…and every black-Asian couple where the male was black and the female Asian were unstable and wrought with emotional, sometimes physical, abuse and infidelity. Only one I know of survived and it was comparatively unstable. Additionally the offspring tended to act way more ghetto, have a chip on their shoulder, and seemed to suffer more from emotional and inferiority complex problems. They also tended to not do so well education wise. Now, this doesn’t mean that all relationships are this way..but as I stated we traveled much and traveled in diverse Korean and Asian circles..and this was what we observed. Additionally, the Asian females in these relationships tended to possess lower self-esteem and tended be much rougher around the edges. I suspect they also suffered from inferiority complexes. We didn’t see these dynamics in Asian-Asian pairings, Asian-White pairings, Asian-Middle Eastern pairings, or Asian-Hispanic pairings. We did see it in Asian-black pairings.
give this topic a break, it’s becoming sensitive already.
I hope you read this you little bitch. Which male…has the most interracial babies? probably the one who fathered your grandma when she was property. Is this your reason for hating white people in amerika? Stop misplacing your hatred of white society because of that. Oh yeah, and you can stop extending your race-hate against causasians to the Asians that they marry. Stop being an anti-Asian racist pig you fucking loser.
Most asian women who date white guys and even black ones have low self esteem. The asian women who date white guys are only interested in uplifting their race. They know that white skin and blonde hair along with blue eyes are golden characteristics which will make their children more attractive. Let’s face it asians are not attractive. Therefore a white man and even a black is more attractive than an asian. However asians such as (Indian) love themselves and their race. They do not have the self-esteem issues that is one of the reasons they do not marry outside their race. Very rarely if ever. I find that Asians tend to hate their race more than any other racial group as shown by their need to marry outside their race followed by white men who lack self esteem.
i am a university-educated Filipina from an upper-class Catholic family living in the Metro Manila region. i was brought up to look at people with utmost respect and equality; i believe in the notion that we get attracted to either people exactly like us [the narcissistic kind of attraction] or to people that are extremely different from us [the exotic kind of attraction]. i, myself, prefer to date men who are taller than me as i wish to feel more like a girl when out with a man — i am considered to be pretty tall for an Asian girl — and it just so happens that Filipino men are not known to be tall, so i usually end up dating Western men or halfsies. it really does not matter what ethnicity the man is, for me, all i need is someone who has half a brain, can carry an entertaining and smart conversation, decent-looking, and, most hopefully, taller than me.
and quite honestly, i think what this whole issue boils down to is attraction and personal preference. one does not have to explain one’s actions or choices all the time. sometimes, things just are.
like one of my [halfsie] friends say: “Whatever floats your boat.” or say it like Justin Timberlake: “Different strokes for different folks.” 🙂
Can someone please delete all of the troll comments and personal attacks?
LV, you realize that many statements with “always,” “never,” “only” etc are false, right? Do you really think that only “wormy” kinds of White men date Asian women?
I am a 20-year-old Asian female, and I disapprove of only two kinds of inter-ethnic relationships: Japanese with non-Japanese (because the former is repulsive and should be annihilated), and Asian with white. My understanding is that, with very few exceptions, whites are monstrously racist to the bone, and as such, are not worthy of respect or association with other human beings.
I believe in color solidarity. Asian girls, let’s have some pride in ourselves and refrain from helping whites boost their flagging (both in number and quality) populations with our beautiful genes. They are depopulating themselves through lack of reproduction. Let nature do her work, and soon we’ll have no more Caucasian eyesores to be concerned with.
I am an Asian woamn, and I am happy I am nothing like you. I also am very beautiful, smart and sexy but I have ethics and respect for other people. You really are pretty full of yourself. Must be lacking in self esteem. Your a disrespect to humanity in general.
So your the one that I hear about that jacks himself off every night! Listen even a pig would not give you the light of day with your mindset.
To the last poster:
Your vagina smells badly and you cannot get a man of any race so you come here to spread your hate & negativity.
GTFO you miserable bitch.
thank you.
Agreed 🙂
I can’t stand seeing Asians with non-Asians…. Eyesore! And especially whites thinking they can just do anything with Asians and get away with it. They don’t care about our culture, race, or heritage, they see some exotic flesh and just wanna sleep with our girls
Get Real (not verified) said:
“If you think all Asian men are geeks with small dicks, then a) you probably have been brainwashed to believe all stereotypes and hypes of white men. b) you obviously never experienced anything with Asian men or you obviously never fucked enough Asian men.”
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Or maybe they’ve seen Asian porn stubby? lol
This is a nice article but it’s so far from what the truth really is.
Asians do want to marry up. that’s what I’ve learned from the internet.
Who wants to marry an ugly slanted eyed chinky chick?!! seriously? Especially a FOB!! fresh of the boat. Those are your typical male order brides.
Chinese women especially or orientals (those of the east asian and mainlands LOVE them whities!!! like crazy!!!) don’t know why.
I’m filipino and if I met a sweet handsome man who will appreciate me and LOVE me for me, I will definately hit that!!!!
but you know? Growing up, it’s really hard to find a logical and good reason for white men with asian women. I think the people who were born here are most likely to do this.
I don’t think I would though, even though I was raised here (not born), because I just simply don’t find the blue eyes, blonde hair combo to be sexy…at all. Though my mom does… I think.
If anything, I think the type of white guy I would like would have to have brown dark hair and light eyes or something , but the personality is really what counts for me.
Thanks for your time.
I agree with you.
I like my own race but it’s white guys who seem interested in me. it’s really weird. I guess it’s partly because I grew up around white and act white? really weird.
Well, anyone can love anybody they want. Who cares, why do people judge others anyway? If this guy loves asian women and finds them attractive, so what? That’s just his preference why do people have to be mean about that? I’m an asian women (korean) but american asian so i speak good english but have a korean face haha. I guess to me, personality is MOST important (I’m not just saying this because I want to sound pure). It’s just I HATE guys who are d*ckheads and so on. So yeh, personality is so important.
I guess asian women find white men attractive because they’re new and exquisite? and tall, etc. I personally like tall and big built men (not like full bulky and stuff but just generally fit and a big broad shoulders) but I like black spikey hair and olive skin with large brown eyes *SEXY*! I am really lucky though coz I met a man just like that! He is my boyfriend of 4 yrs and DAMN he’s so HOT!! He is asian but he’s very tall (190cm!) and big build, his shoulders are wide. I HATE skinny men omg…it’s sick. He’s big and tall because he’s from the Mancheria (Harbin) region near Russia. *meow* 😉
You see….you can’t really just say ALL asian women like asian men or white, etc or vice versa… it really depends on the individual’s upbringing. I personally like tall and big men coz of my ubringing probably….most ASIAN women in asian countries like skinny men don’t they? I don’t know….it’s varied.
But yeh, the most thing is my bf is a complete ANGEL!! and THAT is very important. If he was a d*ckhead, whether he was black, white, yellow… (yes…we shouldn’t classify people this way!!) …. I would end the relationship right there. =)
Anyway, there’s my 10 cents. Bye everyone =)
dude, do NOT compare your sick fetish to a homosexual’s coming out. gays have to deal with far more physical and mental abuse than you as a white man ever will (especially concerning something as trifling as this). it’s nice that you’re trying to explain this intelligently, but the reason people have a problem with losers like you is because you actively reject and say nasty things about non-asian women. go look it up on virtually any japan-related forum. maybe you don’t do it personally, but the vast majority of your fellow psychopathic pedophiles do.
How is having a preference for Asian women bowing down to the media?
Asian women are the most under-represented group of women in American media. How many Asian women can you name who ever play the main character in a movie? Even Lucy Liu, who is perhaps the most famous Asian actress in America always plays side-kick or antagonist to the main female character, who is invariably white. Even when she gets to play a main character such as in Charlie’s Angels, she has to share the spotlight with two white women (who just so happen to get paid much more than her).
Since it is white women who are the most over-hyped, over-represented women in the media, it is men who pursue white women who are bowing down to the media, not men who are pursuing Asian women.
If any thing, men who pursue Asian women have the most integrity and are least likely to be swayed by popular trends. But as Asian women gain in power and prominance in America, so will their representation in the media. And if you think that there are a lot of white guys chasing after Asian women now, imagine what it will when this happens?
I suggest that you learn to deal with these white male/Asian female couples that bother you so much sooner rather than later because this trend is only going to continue to grow.
So you think being attracted to Asian women is sick? That’s a pretty nasty thing to say about Asian women. But I’m guessing that’s not why you’re making that claim. I’m guessing it’s to shame and humiliate white men so as to discourage them from pursuing Asian women, isn’t it?
The term Asian fetish has become a common played out accusation. It is not in the dictionary, but it is used often enough in modern dialog to have an entry in wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
According to wikipedia, Asian fetish is:
” a term that is sometimes used to describe sexual attraction toward people of Asian descent by those of non-Asian descent. The term has been defined as “the sexual objectification of people of Asian descent, typically females, who are objectified and valued not for who they are as people, but for their race or perceptions of their culture.] The term is generally considered derisive and is often directed at Caucasian males who date, or have married, women of Asian descent.”
Notice how the term is often applied to Caucasian men who date Asian women. Why not all non-Asian men? Why only Caucasian men? Apparently men of other races who date Asian women are okay and this term does not apply to them. Apparently only white men objectify women?
Also, if the term fetish refers to the sexual objectification of people of a certain race, then wouldn’t black men who objectify white women have a white fetish? Do a search on Wikipedia for “White Fetish”. What do you think you will find? Nothing. Likewise by the same standards white women who objectify men of other races should be considered to have a fetish. Try searching Wiki for “Black Fetish”. Once again nothing.
It is impossible to deny that this is a blatant double-standard.
This double-standard also serves to protect the pedestal that white women are on. It discourages white men from “straying” from white women and scares non-white women off from getting involved with these “sick” white men. The obvious result is that fewer white men will be willing to date interracially for fear of being ostrasized and fewer non-white women willing to date white men for fear of being objectified.
Who benifits from all of this? White women.
http://whitewomensuck.blogspot.com/2009/02/double-standards-revisited.html
Asian girls who only date white guys tend to be racist against their own race. They are blinded by the white owned media who oppress asian men. As far as i’m concerned, they are criminals. White men who only date asian women definitely have fetishes. You’re retarded if you think you only date asian women and don’t have a fetish… but that’s okay, I have a fetish for white women. I like their big breasts, shapely bodies, and big eyes you can’t find on any asian women.
I think this article good, but why has every comment been racist. I mean if you like a certain type then… that’s what you like! Does it matter that they happen to be a certain race? I think many people are just hating the white guy and asian girl thing. I don’t know why or for what reason, but everyone is hating! THere’s no reason to hate. There’s plenty of black and whties, indians and whites, whites and whites, other races and whites that date! so why are we hating on just the asian and the white couple?
It is very odd, this yellow fever thing. It is one thing to fall in love with Asian woman for her inner beauty or her soul. But another thing for these creepy, overweight, white guys that go around on these loser dating sites trying to date (buy) an asian woman. Most of these white boys have low self esteem, wimpy, type B- personalities, and allow these aggressive oriental women to walk all over them, some are bipolar too. THe yellow fever thing is very creepy and perhaps they are in need of some psychotherapy sessions at 150/hr.
Well most of the world is free at least. Since the advent of easy world wide travel and immigration, people from different races and cultures can more easily mix now than ever before. I also think with the advent of the Internet that it will happen even more.
I think anyone should be able to marry, love or be attracted to whomever he or she wants to be, regardless of race culture, sexuality or whatever. Do what you want in life that makes you happy, as long as you don’t harm others. Some people need to mind their own business and worry about themselves before criticizing others
My attraction is to Asian, Hispanic Indian or middle eastern women . I like long dark hair and dark eyes, also tan skin tone. I have dated white women with similar features and don’t rule other women out, who knows I might marry a tall pasty white blonde woman. But of the Asian women I have been with and have as friends now, I will continue to date Asian, not exclusively but its my preference.
I’m personally sick of being called racist. I’m a mix of many different things, but I’m primarily an Irish-American. Irish folk have endured oppression for a long time but does that mean I should hate all protestants? Or all British folk? No, it doesn’t. Many Asian countries have committed atrocities in the past as well but we have to make use of history to make sure that it isn’t repeated. The fact that people still verbally and textually assault others based on their race/religion/etc. means we’re not learning, at all.
Do you know why I like Asians? (and I don’t limit my self to asian women) It’s because; 1)They have respect. 2) They make good use of education and they’re intelligent. (for the most part) 3) They’re mature (mostly). I don’t care for submissive women but I do enjoy loyalty, which many Asians have. Everyone has their preferences. Every man/woman has a different personality so don’t make blanket statements about a group. Everyone’s different.
Okay..Lets face it.
More often than not, Asian women are just more attractive than White/Black/Latina American women. This isn’t to say I haven’t met attractive women who weren’t but most of the time, Asian women are slimmer, more feminine and have a cute quality about them. They EMBRACE all those things. If I were a White male in America I’d probably want to date Asian women too!! I’m an Asian born American and have dated mostly Asian women. Why?
Back in HS, I used to get some attention from White girls. One of the cutest ones even asked me to the prom! A lot of guys were jealous of me back then but then something happened when I got to college. Almost every time I tried to befriend or just talk to a white girl, they’d get creeped out so why even f-ing bother?? I didn’t have this issue with black or latina women though. Let me also say that its not like I don’t have game either. All of my previous gfs have been very attractive breaking necks of many guys, especially my current Korean gf.
I’d question why to see what the deal was. Here’s my conclusion,
– White men are all about promoting their race in America. This possessive investment in Whiteness manifested since the founding of America. Recall slavery, Jim crow laws and then national highways which served as a catalyst to segregate Blacks and Whites. And now its Asian men. Of course White men can f**k all the Asian women they want, put them in porn to fulfill their fetishes but the moment it becomes the other way around Hell to the No in taking “their property”.
– Thus, Asian men are almost always typified as dorky, geeky, effeminate, kung-fu fighting, poor English speaking Asian men in entertainment. They can never be the lead role who gets the girl. So White America glorifies Asian guys like William Hung (who looks like he has down syndrome) making headlines across the U.S. as opposed to glorifying men like Rain or Daniel Henney internalizing many women into think that White is just better.
– That’s not also to say though that Asian men are in the right. We were known not to be all that affectionate toward women and lacked Game. But times are changing. Asian men are getting the jobs, they money and indeed are stepping up their Game which is why you see a SLIGHT increase in Asian Male/Non-Asian female relationships. Still its disproportionate which constitutes all the bitching from Asian men.
– Finally, instead of this bullshit feminism that America started teaching to women (think of the “We Can Do It” poster) why not emphasize accentuating your womanhood since that’s what makes you YOU. A woman! In Asia and Europe, women embrace their femininity. They take care of their bodies and will accept that they’re FAT and do something about it instead of calling men an asshole. I’ve also noticed that White American women are a lot more picky. Hence them not wanting to date outside their race.
Regardless how you try to justify your attraction to Asian women, what you have is a fetish. You can give all the excuses and reasons you want but it is what it is. Hey, I EVEN tell people that. “I love Asian women. So much so, you’d think I was White!”
Okay..Lets face it.
More often than not, Asian women are just more attractive than White/Black/Latina American women. This isn’t to say I haven’t met attractive women who weren’t but most of the time, Asian women are slimmer, more feminine and have a cute quality about them. They EMBRACE all those things. If I were a White male in America I’d probably want to date Asian women too!! I’m an Asian born American and have dated mostly Asian women. Why?
Back in HS, I used to get some attention from White girls. One of the cutest ones even asked me to the prom! A lot of guys were jealous of me back then but then something happened when I got to college. Almost every time I tried to befriend or just talk to a white girl, they’d get creeped out so why even f-ing bother?? I didn’t have this issue with black or latina women though. Let me also say that its not like I don’t have game either. All of my previous gfs have been very attractive breaking necks of many guys, especially my current Korean gf.
I’d question why to see what the deal was. Here’s my conclusion,
– White men are all about promoting their race in America. This possessive investment in Whiteness manifested since the founding of America. Recall slavery, Jim crow laws and then national highways which served as a catalyst to segregate Blacks and Whites. And now its Asian men. Of course White men can f**k all the Asian women they want, put them in porn to fulfill their fetishes but the moment it becomes the other way around Hell to the No in taking “their property”.
– Thus, Asian men are almost always typified as dorky, geeky, effeminate, kung-fu fighting, poor English speaking Asian men in entertainment. They can never be the lead role who gets the girl. So White America glorifies Asian guys like William Hung (who looks like he has down syndrome) making headlines across the U.S. as opposed to glorifying men like Rain or Daniel Henney internalizing many women into think that White is just better.
– That’s not also to say though that Asian men are in the right. We were known not to be all that affectionate toward women and lacked Game. But times are changing. Asian men are getting the jobs, they money and indeed are stepping up their Game which is why you see a SLIGHT increase in Asian Male/Non-Asian female relationships. Still its disproportionate which constitutes all the bitching from Asian men.
– Finally, instead of this bullshit feminism that America started teaching to women (think of the “We Can Do It” poster) why not emphasize accentuating your womanhood since that’s what makes you YOU. A woman! In Asia and Europe, women embrace their femininity. They take care of their bodies and will accept that they’re FAT and do something about it instead of calling men an asshole. I’ve also noticed that White American women are a lot more picky. Hence them not wanting to date outside their race.
Regardless how you try to justify your attraction to Asian women, what you have is a fetish. You can give all the excuses and reasons you want but it is what it is. Hey, I EVEN tell people that. “I love Asian women. So much so, you’d think I was White!”
Beside ur ignorance I’m sure ur a nice person.
I couldn’t help not to respond to ur post.
You r not an open person
I am a 20y.o. White boy who love to date asian woman
And guess what . .
They Really love to date me.
Not only cuz I got money either . . ; )
For those who have a preference for men/women of a certain race, you have the right to make your own choice and nobody else can tell you otherwise. However, you should have respect for all races, and realise that your preference is your own. It is okay to find certain physical traits more appealing than others… it is not racist at all, it is just personal preference. However, when it goes beyond the physical, we seem to go into racist stereotypes. The most common ones I have come across are: Asian woman are submissive, respectful and smart; white women are too loud, lazy, mentally slower, and disrespectful; black women are too harsh, demanding and less educated. Everyone has a unique, individual personality that should not be classified according to race. To group Asian woman as more respectful, submissive, etc. is no different than classifying blondes as ditzy. These are stereotypes fed to us by the media, and we should know better by now than to actually believe them. Speaking for myself, I am a white woman and I consider myself very intelligent, and respectful towards those respectful to me. I am shy and can guarantee that I am more submissive than the Asian stereotype. I know some very ditzy, immature Chinese women, and many Asian women who are extremely loud… definitely not shy or submissive in character. I lived with an Asian girl who can home late every night and had no respect for my roommate’s or my quality of sleep. I also know many black women who are very kind and intelligent. I am not being biased by these experiences – they are just examples of how stereotypes are not always true. I have learned from living in a very diverse city that race has no boundaries to someone’s personality; every individual is going to be different regardless of race.
dude, youre an idiot. obviously you didnt get his article because here you are doing exactly what he explained idiots do…which is misunderstand someone’s natural attraction. and where the hell do you get pyschopathic pedophile? youre the only crazy person here for you immature unintelligible comment. grow up and get some substance to who you are.
that is just what you think. there are plenty of asian women who prefer to marry within their own race, just go to asia. if you see a lot of asian and white pairings, its only because you live in america. there are lots of strong asian women with strong white men. and strong asian women with strong asian men. not everyone finds blonde hair and blue eyes attractive. thats why they like asians because they dont have blonde hair or blue eyes. people stay together in the end because the relationship works. you need to grow up. if you just want to trash talk, i could easily say white men date asian women because white women are usually selfish, shallow, spoiled and dumb, which is the going stereotype. you are just a racist if you believe some people hate their own race. asians have a lot of pride, they just dont need to go around throwing it in peoples faces. its a cultural thing that is different than the way whites handle it, stuck up. deep down youre just afraid of asians.
youre the reason white women have stereotypes as being dumb, ignorant and selfish. no wonder men prefer asian women. you make white women look like trash. i bet a lot of white women dont agree with you and would vomit at what youve said. my mom is married to a white man and she is now best friends with his ex wife. you havent done yourself or white women any justice with your comment. you just validated the negative stereotype against white women.
i agree some asian women dont like white men. when i was in high school, my best friend trisha her mom was japanese and her dad was black. i have another friend who’s mom is japanese and dad is indian.
you sound like an idiot.
asian women are scared of yall because yall act ghetto all the time and are proud to be ghetto with your thug mentality. its perpertuated with all your rap music. why dont you ask yourselves why? maybe blacks and whites are making progress because of white guilt. asians dont have that guilt because they didnt enslave blacks, but they just see objectively the way different people in america have turned out.
because hes black and cant get an asian woman so he resents them.
a lot of european countries have sex tourism too, especially eastern european. in europe prostution is legal and they have red light districts where women get up in windows as men walk by on the street like they are a product on display.
thats because black men will take whatever they can get, even the ugliest women of all races. black men dont really care about looks, they just care about sex.
i agree. chinese will dominate the future now that they have their shit together.
i don’t really care about the social aspect of dating an Asian woman. i respect every culture no matter where you are from. i think that Asian women are the most beautiful in the world. i have never dated an Asian woman. but i have always ( since i was 13 ) been attracted to Asian women. i know it sounds silly but Ive never had a chance to meet an Asian girl. but i would feel a little weird if i started going out only to meet Asian females. would anyone have a non creepy way to meet Asian women without coming right out with the creepy agenda of only wanting to meet women of a certain race?
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I’m an Asian male and let speak my piece. I’ve spoken with many of my asian female collegues about the prospect of they dating a white male. some were in favor, but most prefer an asian male from within their own ethnicity. understandable since cross cultural relations can be quite complicated. Many who married a white guy will only last for about 1 or 2 years. To many of asian females, there’s a perception that white male will only use them for fun and then leave them when the guy going back home. thus white male are great as friend, but not really the type that you bring home to see your parents. one more thing that you should know is that, most of those asian women who date white guy are either going after their money, or they simply can’t get a relation within their own race. when i look at the women that usually date white guy, they were usually unattractive to asian eye but to the white guy, they were an angel worthy of worship. i don’t say that there are no exception to this but they’re just that, an exception rather then a rule.
note: All above are applicable within an Asian countries. I can’t say about the Asian women who live in the white majority countries. i believe the racial perspective of a person depend not on their ethnicity, but on the place where they grow up.
Wow. This is the first time I have ever seen someone really hit the nail on the head. I am a white man and am married to a Chinese woman. I have always found asian women attractive. Agree 100% with everything said, especially the preconceptions which are all false. I also had a serious 5 year relationship with a white woman, we were engaged to be married.
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Gotta reply to Hussin’s comments since he offers up some false stereotypes and fallacies. First, WM-AF relationship endure very well. As an example, studies have shown that Japanese women who married American soldiers had very stable marriages after they settled in the United States. Saying that these relationships won’t last is low tactic and you are essentially trying to throw dirt on white men. Secondly, the majority of Asian women don’t need white men for their money; they simply want to find a good person. A lot of East Asian women will date either Western or an Asian man; it just depends on the best available opportunity. Also, some of the brightest and most highly educated women in East Asia appreciate Western men (or Asian men who grew up in the West) because they don’t feel intimidated by the women’s high educational status. Finally, Asian men and white men have pretty similar standards when it comes to female beauty (except for the white skin requirement that is prevalent in East Asia). I’ve known enough Asian guys to confirm this fact. White guys may not always date a supermodel Asian woman but that doesn’t mean that they wouldn’t date one if they had the chance. I get tired of Asian people telling me what kind of Asian women that I’m supposed to like.
All dating has its issues. There is no set rulebook or 10 commandments of dating that can be held up as the primary example of “doing it right”. sure, lots of people who read every bumper sticker they see will say, “follow your heart” or “as long as you love each other, that’s what really matters” etc. I have dated white american women, white american redneck women, black women, asian women, native american women, hispanic women, russian women, Indian women, professional women, hard working women, dangerous women, amazing women, tender women, and an variety of different european ethnicities. The whole time I was dating these women I was forever keenly aware of one thing. The woman I was with was an individual who deserved respect, consideration, and courtesy. To prop up one race of the world and proclaim, this ethnicity of female gets most of my attention, is simply a prefference of features, skin tone, mannerisms, etc. within every culture there are what are considered attractive and unattractive attributes. some may prefer redheads, some may prefer goth girls, some may prefer surfer chics, whatever!!!!! it is simply someones prefferrence regarding what they find attractive!!!! not specifically a racial prefference.
example; I have a peruvian co-worker who’s wife is Japanese. they have been married for over 40 years. does this mean that peruvian men and japanese women are a perfect match??? No!!! it just means that for these two people, in their relationship, they were just the right match for each other. just as things have always been and will forever be in every relationship!
There is an “asian” in every caucasian (word, that is). 🙂
Caucasian means “white asian.” That’s why the two races get along so well. (haha)
I am from central asia…and back there it is just as common to see AM WF (russian) there are a lot of russians there….but the russians are a minority there……..the media will undestandably portray the majority interests……however the most important thing in my opinion is not to view yourself through the eyes of someone else……because when viewed through the eyes of someone else you will always be “less than”……also minorities will always have to comply with the majority norms, ideas, beliefs, and culture…….when a person conforms and accepts and…when you come to a different country you often have to adapt to fit in….and it is understandable that you might wana make some adjustments…….it is crucial however…to find a healthy balance….because once you give up too much of you own identity due to external pressures….you might just lose your self identity….self respect……and self esteem……. I am not against interracial dating…..and i myself married outside of my race…. …..however…i have encountered some people….who deliberately attempt to shun away from their culture and their people , and even purposely put down their own people……..people with this kind of mentality…realy dont like who they are and have a weak sense of self……..its really not healthyyy…
I am an asian man, needless to say I know a lot of asian woman. From what I’ve noticed, most asian females always tend to prefer an asian man. I’ve have seem dozens of girls i’ve known for years chase after my buddies, however, for some reason these girls never tend to have luck with them. After the years have passed, these were the girls that I noticed who end up with white men. On the other hand, there is a particular “type” of asian girl that asian guys go ga-ga over. These girls I always with an asian man.
All of the “lets love whoever and let love be love” need to pull the wool from over your eyes. White men go to asia because they are in demand there. To say dating almost implies that the guy came up with some kind of crafty come on line, or romanced these girls. Mostly its a guy who is looking for what guys look for meeting a girl looking for what she sees on TV. There rarely is any character assessment. How can there be if you go from stranger to girlfriend in 2 dates,or if you dont share fluency in a common language. The best question to ask the WM-AF members is this, “How long did you date/know each other before you shagged each other?” Not saying that love doesnt occur, but western culture suggests that love takes time to occur. Most of what ive seen of these WM-AF relationships isnt consistent with that.
hey
I am an Asian girl who has been in a serious relationship with a white guy for 2 years now. When reading this article, I thought you sounded exactly like my boyfriend.
I met my boyfriend through an aquaintence and we both fell in love with each other pretty quickly. Over time, I began to learn that his past 3 relationships were all with Asian girls and the girls he went on casual dates with in between his serious relationships were all Asian as well. His very first girlfriend in High School was white though. Anyway, I’ve confronted him about possibly having an Asian fetish and he’s explained to me that he doesn’t have a fetish but is simply attracted to the Non-American look. He says he typically finds Asians, Latinas, and Italian girls more attractive, and through circumstances and chance, he has ended up with Asian girls more often than not.
I thought to myself, ok, I guess that’s somewhat of a reasonable explanation but I’m not sure if I’m 100% convinced because his most recent ex-girlfriend wasn’t pretty at all (and I’m not being jealous or hypercritical here). She had that typical trashy “A-Z-N gangsta” look (heavy makeup, super tan skin, blonde hair), whereas I have a much more natural look. Because of that, it is difficult for me to not have the preconceived notion that he is attracted to ANY Asian girl. I can’t seem to stop worrying that all Asians look the same to him… I mean, shouldn’t he at least have some standards with the Asian girls he chooses to be in relationships with? It’s completely insulting to me that he could have been attracted to her and then me.
For those of you who can relate, it’s like going from Tila Tequila to Gong Li. Not saying I am as pretty as Gong Li or anything… just trying to make a point that we do not all look alike.
what a bunch of hypochrits. china is full of ugly abc’s and taiwanese using their status to pull hot chicks. Moreover, chinese men are going to vietnam to pull hotter women from there. to suggest it’s any different than white guys doing the same — if, in fact, that’s what’s happening — is to assume asian men have some right or ownership over asian women. is that what you’re suggesting? I want to be in the nba. life’s not fair. sulk. sulk.
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“All of the “lets love whoever and let love be love” need to pull the wool from over your eyes. White men go to asia because they are in demand there. To say dating almost implies that the guy came up with some kind of crafty come on line, or romanced these girls. Mostly its a guy who is looking for what guys look for meeting a girl looking for what she sees on TV. There rarely is any character assessment. How can there be if you go from stranger to girlfriend in 2 dates,or if you dont share fluency in a common language. The best question to ask the WM-AF members is this, “How long did you date/know each other before you shagged each other?” Not saying that love doesnt occur, but western culture suggests that love takes time to occur. Most of what ive seen of these WM-AF relationships isnt consistent with that.”
Wow, you are an idiot. You must have be pretty jaded and bitter to have opinions like this. How is an asian girl and a white guy having sex quickly different than say, a white guy and a black girl or *GASP* two asians? Or how about two white people? Get over yourself
I like both Tila and Gong Li, sure one is trashy blonde (oh I do like the blonde look on Asian girls, though its too common and boring in Japan)and the other arguably isnt, but do not let that bother you.
Men like different kinds of women at different times. Perhaps he has chosen you BECAUSE you do not look like Tila Tequila and his ex did. He wants a fresh start. Try to be positive.
Worst thing is when someone tries to “replace” their ex with a clone. I ve done it, you get the same problems. Chick I knew liked black guys in the military in Japan, she divorced one, complained about him non stop, and a few months later has got a new black guy from the military in Japan. She went looking at the base, it was intentional.
I mean, come on! Try Vanilla once in a while.
As Will Ferrell said menacingly in “Semi Pro”:
“Everybody love everybody!! And shut up!”
I am an Asian guy and I’m in favor of Asians of both sexes dating all sort of other races, with the exception of WM-AF. The reason is that WM dominate the world and give other races bad names in order to increase their own attractiveness – and many AF bought it. So AM gets trashed and AF-WM couple predominates. I will be always be against such a pairing, and they will always suffer the banishment of others, until there’s equality. Meaning, AM and men of other non-white races are portrayed in the white media as attractive as white males AND the ration of AF-WM and AM-WF is about the same. Then I will no longer care. Before that, I will want to see ever single AF-WM ended up splitting and more AM-WF pairings exist (although seeing too many ugly WF with AM still bugs me). It’s time that white male gives up their hold on the world and the truth about their primitive, hairy body, receding hairline, ape-like forehead and disgusting body odors (I don’t know how you AF ladies put up with those putrid white body odor) shall be exposed to all.
I’m personally married to a great Asian chick so this doesn’t personally affect me. But for my Asian friends, I will always encourage the ladies to stay away from WM; any race but white, and I will always help the Asian guys score the white chick. Yes WM, F*uck every one of you.
You are just saying that cause you are mad all the black mean are taking all the white women and giving them aids and you want a woman who would sleep with filth as such as the black man!
You are just saying that cause you are mad all the black mean are taking all the white women and giving them aids and you want a woman who would sleep with filth as such as the black man!
black men have aids. Black men will destroy the world with their aids.
Yes I am mad that all the black men with black aids are taking white women.
Yes This will be end of the white race. The white women are getting aids from the black men and the white men are serving every want and desire of the beautiful asian woman.
But dont get me wrong the black race will not survive and the white women who date the black men thus becoming black will also not survive. That being said the white race will not survive. Soon the white men will blend with the asian beauties thus becoming asian themselves and the asians will destroy the blacks as the white man have failed to do. It is all because the white guy has a soft heart.
Why dont you just be honest with yourself and become a ladybody already. You know you want white penis in your mouth and in your bum. Talk about repressed passion. geesh.
White guys are dating Asian women because of the disrespectful attitude of white women twards men in general. Im all for womens rights. In fact Im all for the rights of everybody. Women, men, children, animals, rainforests… you get the idea. Giving one of these things more rights (domination) over the others creats an imbalance that can ultimatly lead to the descruction of all.
For instance: If the government were to offer women cash and prizes if they will only divorse their husbands and the women cant resist such a lucritive offer, then every child then comes from a broken home and eventually the family structure of the whole socity will break down.
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im an asian girl….and i realllllllly find the af/wm pairing annoying especially the BULLSHIT asian females give as excuses for hooking up with white…
im an asian girl and i would go for asian over white guys…
asian guys (in my experience) have better style + can sing + i have yet to see a white guy sound decent at karaoke and can dance decently…u have asian guys with swagger and u also have the corporate smart asian guys too. im sick of this anti-asian men stereotypes……
i dont know where this whole “white guys are more masculine” bullshit came from….if masculinity was the standard for preference, I would assume it would be in this order
(based on stereotypes):
black guys….middle eastern guys…whites…asians (note: asians are masculine too, if only the media represented reality)
white guys arnt in the top in terms of masculinity so its kinda bad logic to say that one prefers whites cause theyre “masculine”…..theyre dorky…even the so-called “masculine” ones are dorky…
asian girls these days are so full of bullshit…u go for white guys cuz your W-E-A-K and u wanna fit in – period –
Stop the excuses…if u were so “liberal” and “open” and “tolerant” why dont u equally go for Blacks? or other Brown ppl??……
anyway…white guys – please get over yourselves…stop bringing down asian guys to disguise your own insecurities over being rejected by white women……white guys are the most over-rated beings on the planet..
– annoyed asian girl –
I hear ya. but your white boyfriend has said. He is attracted to the Non-American look? what the fuck is the american look? you mean white women look? cuz the american look is the looks of all races because this country USA is a melting pot of all kinds of looks. The american look can be the asian look, latina look, african look. The italian look is still the white look which I think he is saying he is not attracted to white women. there goes another white man going again saying that only whites can only be american and everyone else is foreign. this country will have a a new awakening…thanks goodness we have a black president now, it starts here..
I am so sick and tired of this topic. You asian women prefer white guys because you think us asian guys are short, ugly, losers. Yeah… we f**kin’ get it!
white dudes are insecure, they have to run these studies. and then they have a audacity to mockup results so they can feel good about themselves.an asian will tell you that we have a small cock then go home to 5 children and a pregnant wife. a white guy will tell you he has a big cock and show you some bullshit stats and go home to his asian wife whos wondering why she doesnt have any kids. I wonder who really has a bigger cock. dont believe the hype you’all.
in any case the asian women and white men couple thing is so yesterday, on top of all that those who got into these relationship never realized how hideous they look together. you are no barack obama and michelle are you? these asian women for one have no taste, and as a couple you look sick, i dont care how beautiful you thing you are and your kids arent gonna be too crash hot either. miss universe are people of mostly a pure race, both parents are either indian, japanese etc….cant see the benefits sorry whities. would not touch you with a ten foot stick, but im not racist, im just a realist who prefers his/her own kind.
You are a He and a She? Doesn’t sound very real to me.
I dont understand how interacial cultures look hideous or who says that miss universe is the standard of universal beauty. Why are you looking into the media to define beauty and why do you care what other people think. Also what makes you think that a white guy/ asian girl couple care about what you think? Well at first we did but once we see your ugly nature and and all the hate you harbour we must simply write you off.
And why is everybody assuming that the white guy thinks he is superior to asian guys? White guys are some of the most kind and caring people on earth. You will be surprised what they would do for you when your life depended on it. Again this prejudice is what drives the sweet asian girl to the arms of the loving white man.
I am really wondering how many of you asian people despise my relationship with a beautiful, sweet, smart asian woman and why you intend on spreading the hate?
You are a He and a She? Doesn’t sound very real to me. I dont understand how interacial cultures look hideous or who says that miss universe is the standard of universal beauty. Why are you looking into the media to define beauty and why do you care what other people think. Also what makes you think that a white guy/ asian girl couple care about what you think? Well at first we did but once we see your ugly nature and and all the hate you harbour we must simply write you off. And why is everybody assuming that the white guy thinks he is superior to asian guys? White guys are some of the most kind and caring people on earth. You will be surprised what they would do for you when your life depended on it. Again this prejudice is what drives the sweet asian girl to the arms of the loving white man. I am really wondering how many of you asian people despise my relationship with a beautiful, sweet, smart asian woman and why you intend on spreading the hate?
YOU CANNOT CHANGE WHO YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO. IT HAS NOTHING DO WITH A FETISH OR WHATEVER. I AM ASIAN WOMAN THAT IS ATTRACTED TO WHITE MEN. I GO WITH MY PERFERENCE. WHY IS IT A FETISH IF A WHITE MAN WANTS TO DATE AN ASIAN WOMEN. ASIAN WOMEN ARE BEAUTIFUL. I DO NOT THINK WHITE IS ALL THAT BEAUTIFUL EITHER. THE MEDIA ALWAYS PICK THE UGLIEST ASIAN NEXT TO A GOREGOUS WHITE WOMAN TO DOWNPLAY HOW BEAUTIFUL NATURAL ASIAN WOMEN ARE. I DO NOT FIT THE NEGATIVE UNATTRACTIVE STEREOTYPE OF WHAT ASIANS LOOK LIKE. I AM BUSTY AND CURVY , SEXY AND HAVE NICE ASIAN BROWN EYES THAT AREN’T SLANTY. MANY WHITE AND BLACK PEOPLE ARE SHOCKED TO SEE THAT I AM ATTRACTIVE AND I DO NOT FIT THE SLANTED, WIDENOSED, FLAT FACED ASIAN STEREOTYPE. THEY THINK I AM MIXED WITH WHITE. THERE ARE JUST AS MANY UGLY WHITE AND BLACK WOMEN AS ASIANS. I HAVE SEEN MANY UNATTRACTIVE WHITE WOMEN. PLEASE WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE THINK OF US ASIANS AS OBJECTS. WELL WE FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THEM. WHITE WOMEN ARE JEALOUS OF ASIAN WOMEN. THEY WANT OUR HAIR, OUR SLENDER FIGURES, OUR NOSE ETC,.. IT SEEMS LIKE WHITE WOMEN ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. IF YOU WANT TO BE RACIST I WILL THROW IT BACK TO YOU!! I AM PROUD TO BE BEAUTIFUL KOREAN WOMAN. I AM NOT EXOTIC AND DIFFERENT. I THINK WHITE PEOPLE LOOK DIFFERENT. IT DEPENDS THE LENSES YOU LOOK THROUGH. IF YOU WANT TO STEREO TYPE ASIAN WOMAN THEN I WILL STEREOTYPE WHITE. WHY DO WHITE PEOPLE HAVE BIG CROOKED NOSES THAT DO NOT FIT THEIR FACE. THEIR EYES ARE SO BIG THAT ITS SCARY. THEIR SKIN IS SO MILKY WHITE THAT THEY LOOK LIKE A GHOST. THE BLONDE GIRLS LOOK ARE FAIRIES AND LITTLE HEIDI DOLLS. IS THEIR HAIR REALLY REAL OR FAKE?WHY DO WHITE GIRLS GET FAKE BOOBS,MOST WOMAN HAVE FLAT ASSES, USE BLACK EYELINER TO DIMINISH EYES TO LOOK ASIAN. WHY DO THEY ALL WANT TO BE FAKE BLONDES? WHITE WOMEN ARE FAKE. EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM ARE MADE UP TO BE FAKE. GERMAN WOMEN LOOK LIKE GUYS.MAYBE THEY ARE! ONLY WHITE WOMEN THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL ARE EITHER MIXED WITH BLACK, SPANISH, ASIAN OR ARAB. STRAIGHTUP WHITE IS UNATTRACTIVE. THEY HAVE TO BE MIXED WITH OTHER RACES IN ORDER TO ATTRACTIVE. I AM SO DISGUSTED HOW MAGAZINES PROTRAYS OTHER RACES. I HAVE LOOK IN ASIAN MAGAZINE TO LOOK AT BEAUTIFUL ASIAN WOMEN AS EXAMPLES WHAT MIGHT LOOK GOOD ON ME. IN A WHITE MAGAZINE ASIAN MODELS ARE SO UGLY AND SO NOT WHAT THE MAJORITY OF PRETTY ASIAN WOMEN LOOK LIKE. IN ASIA, THESE WOMEN IN THESE WHITE MAGAZINES ARE CONSIDER UNATTRACTIVE UNDER ASIAN STANDARD. THE WHITE GIRLS FOLLOW THE UNIVERSAL STANDARD OF BEAUTY BUT NOT ASIAN NOR BLACK. REALLY, WHO REALLY THINK FLAT FACE, WIDE NOSED, NO EYES BEAUTIFUL.NOBODY THINKS THAT. DO THINK FAT, BIG HOOKED NOSED, WHITE CHICK ATTRACTIVE? NOBODY? WELL WE ASIAN FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT FLAT FACE,NO EYE ASIAN PEOPLE. WE LIKE BALANCE TOO. WE DO NOT WANT TO LOOK WHITE. THERE ARE UGLY ASIAN WOMEN AS WELL A BEAUTIFUL ASIAN WOMEN. THERE ARE UGLY WHITE WOMEN AS WELL AS BEAUTIFUL. WHAT I NOTICE IS BEAUTIFUL WOMEN OF ALL DIFFERENT RACES LOOK PRETTY MUCH LOOK THE SAME. THEY ALL HAVE SLENDER FIGURES, SYSTEMICAL AND BALANCED FACES WITH SMALL NOSES THAT FIT THE FACE. THEY HAVE STRONG CHIN, HIGH CHEEK BONES, ALMOND SHAPED TO WIDE SET EYES THAT FIT THE FACE.
Sounds like another white woman or hater of white men crawling out from under a rock. Give it up I am an asian woman married to a white man and he definitely keeps me happy in the bedroom, I guess our 4 beautiful children can prove your theory is false.
Some white men do not agree with this topic writers viewpoint. It is a sad period as China confronts it’s population issue, however.
Sadly, I have heard of instances where Asian women that go out with white guys are called whores and the like.
Wow! Everyone’s bugging out over this! Really, I don’t think it’s a problem at all. I am a young white woman, weird to say that :), that has never been on or seen this site before, but I grew up with East Asian culture in my life. I believe that this may have influenced my feelings of attraction to East Asian guys. Like you, this makes me slightly insecure. I know there are stigmas attached to Asian men, most of them bad. I’m not saying every Asian, or ethnicly Asian, man is an awful person, but there are obvious problems with gambling, loyalty, etc. thoughout history.
Part of the reason why I am attracted to East Asian men is because they are generally quite friendly. If you ever learned anything about how people view their need of personal space, you would know that American men hate being close to people, the same goes for women. To me, this seems very isolating.
This all being said, I am not only attracted to these particular men. For me it is mostly personality that gets my attention. It just seems like, on the outside, this personality is more common in East Asian men.
So! Don’t feel bad or worry about other people, the same goes for any Asian women who like white men!
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If you are too (1)arrogant, (2)conceited, or (3)ignorant to even understand what is being said here – then I’m afraid you’re beyond hope. Just keep living life believing in how wonderful, unique, and special you are. Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
The KEY thing to note is this: that as a segment of society that white men can leverage their social and political power to seduce with social acceptance (After all, being Asian in America is a lonely and alienating business: what better way to escape that than in the arms of a loving white man, right?), many of you are unknowingly – or worse yet KNOWINGLY – complicit in a system of global white (male) privilege, racism, and auto-genocide.
A lot of Asian females seem to *conveniently* forget two of the most significant and synergistic forces that even gave them the CHANCE to romantically connect with Asian women in the first place: the Asian woman’s predisposed mental image of the white male as heroic, sexy, interesting, and smart, and also the white man’s predisposed ‘image’ of the Asian woman as exotic and sexual beings that are less prone to shoot them down viciously, as those evil, bad, BAAAD white American women would.
But remember that you were the ones that signed up for it when you decided to cross that line and decided to exploit this socio-political loophole (whether consciously or not) to date white men, and it makes no difference whether you like it or not, or if its ‘wrong’ for you to have to bear that scrutiny – it’s there, and there is nothing you or even Asians or whites themselves can do about it – even if they objected to it. So if you’re “faaaabulous” enough to complicitly benefit from white male privilege in an oblique manner (i.e. through the white man), then you’d better be prepared to called out for it. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, and you know that.
But you know what?
On a practical level it’s obviously inevitable that people of different races will fall in love (or into lust) when put in proximity to each other, the historical and political context be damned. That’s probably why some of you are dating white guys, or have married one, IN SPITE of all this unsavory historical, cultural, and racial baggage.
First you are ignoring the decades, centuries-long effects of colonialism. You had European men enslaving and raping the women of Asian nations, either as colonizers or as an occupying military force. And as anyone knows, an enslaved race eventually develops a strain of Stockholm Syndrome where they start to empathize and even identify with their captors. Ask a colonial Chinese mistress of a British magistrate of pre-Handover Hong Kong or a Japanese war-bride of an American G.I., and they will all tell you the SAME TWO THINGS: just how *awesome* white men are, and just how lame and pathetic Asian men are.
But now that those colonial times are over, the American media machine (we shall call it “Hollywood” for the sake of discussion) has filled in the ‘white supremacist ideology’ niche quite nicely. Gone are the days of direct and brutal control, and in are the days of indirect, psychological indoctrination into white male-worship.
The KEY thing to note is this: that as a segment of society that white men can leverage their social and political power to seduce with social acceptance (After all, being Asian in America is a lonely and alienating business: what better way to escape that than in the arms of a loving white man, right?), many of you are unknowingly – or worse yet KNOWINGLY – complicit in a system of global white (male) privilege, racism, and auto-genocide.
So in other words, shit happens. I don’t speak for all Asian-Americans or Asian men or anyone else for that matter, but I can accept the fact that people are people. White men will continue to marry Asian women and have a beautiful happy family and that’s cool, but the important distinction here is the moral obligation (or if you care f*ck-all about morality – call it simple linear logic) for those Asian women to understand their complicity and cooperation in what is an inherently unequal, and thus racist system of global proportions.
Now, without further ado, my post.
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I can’t believe the mental midget who posted the message title “A PERFERENCE IS A PERFERENCE” on Sep 29, 2009 @ 01:12 am. LOL!!!
I can forgive you for your typo – it seems you were either in a rush or having an aneurysm.
But one thing I cannot forgive is obnoxiousness – don’t type in all-caps. Drop the ‘Jerry Springer Show guest’ act, cos we can hear you just fine.
Second: you better check your jumbo-sized ignorance at the door. To call a type of interracial relationship with a clear colonial gender/race dynamic a “PREFERENCE” is the most blatantly pathetic RED HERRING argument I have ever seen. Are you for real, or are you just naturally that vapid?
You fail to understand that the concept of RACE *DOES NOT OCCUR IN A VACUUM*, completely independent from historical context.
So understand that when some people question the motivation behind WM/AF couples, it is not because they are raging Nazis or Asian racists. They do this because of the historical context behind such relationships.
They choose to sweep all this under the rug with the all-too-convenient generalization: LOVE IS COLORBLIND. Wrong, you ignoramuses. Your love represents PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE: a ‘colored’ love that is based on racialized preconceptions based on social and cultural indoctrination.
But if you KNEW of these dynamics all along and *still* decided to pursue such a ‘racialized’ direction in your personal and love life – all while presenting yourself to the public and to other Asian-Americans as a conscientious, “colorblind” beacon of tolerance – then I definitely have a problem with you. WHY? Because you are a post-colonial parasite in a symbiotic relationship with your master-race host – made all the more worse by the fact that you are masquerading as something more respectable than that.
Ok, I tried to post my message in separate sections in order to avoid the hideous and unreadable BLOCK of text you end up with… and while I eventually got it right, I made some errors and posted sections of my message in the wrong place in the thread – my apologies. ASIANCE EDITORS: this is a MAJOR GLITCH in your posting system that you need to fix if you want any of your readers to give a shit what others have to say in the comments section. The quality of your site suffers IMMENSELY as a result of your oversight.
Now, without further ado, my post.
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I can’t believe the (Asian female) mental midget who posted the message title “A PERFERENCE IS A PERFERENCE” on Sep 29, 2009 @ 01:12 am. LOL!!!
I can forgive you for your typo – it seems you were either in a rush or having an aneurysm.
But first of all: don’t type in all-caps. Drop the ‘Jerry Springer Show guest’ act, cos we can hear you just fine.
Second: you better check your jumbo-sized ignorance at the door. To call a type of interracial relationship with a clear colonial gender/race dynamic a “PREFERENCE” is the most blatantly pathetic RED HERRING argument I have ever seen. Are you for real, or are you just naturally that vapid?
You are right that you cannot change (or at least, its very difficult to) change who you like – or in this case, what race of men or women you are into. But you would be wrong to imply that any of this stuff is biological. In fact, it’s almost entirely a result of social indoctrination. This has been clinically and scientifically proven.
You fail to understand that the concept of RACE *DOES NOT OCCUR IN A VACUUM*, completely independent from historical context.
So understand that when some people question the motivation behind WM/AF couples, it is not because they are raging Nazis or Asian racists. They do this because of the historical context behind such relationships.
First you are ignoring the decades, centuries-long effects of colonialism. You had European men enslaving and raping the women of Asian nations, either as colonizers or as an occupying military force. And as anyone knows, an enslaved race eventually develops a strain of Stockholm Syndrome where they start to empathize and even identify with their captors. Ask a colonial Chinese mistress of a British magistrate of pre-Handover Hong Kong or a Japanese war-bride of an American G.I., and they will all tell you the SAME TWO THINGS: just how *awesome* white men are, and just how lame and pathetic Asian men are.
But now that those colonial times are over, the American media machine (we shall call it “Hollywood” for the sake of discussion) has filled in the ‘white supremacist ideology’ niche quite nicely. Gone are the days of direct and brutal control, and in are the days of indirect, psychological indoctrination into white male-worship.
Hollywood prefers to deify white men and strategically place Asian female characters around them – usually as a romantic or sexual accessory to embellish their white male desirability. The will also feature Asian men as a comic or sexless foil against this “white male-Asian female” combo, or leave them out altogether. Now imagine this “Hollywood” media machine churning out a decades-long DELUGE of this racailzed propaganda: it’s really a no-brainer why girls like you can’t stop drooling whenever a white boy shakes his little bon-bons in his tighty-whiteys on TV.
I *know* that some of you will argue that after dating your white man (and vice-versa), you’ve come to see the ‘real you’ in each other and are truly in love. Good for you.
I don’t doubt that – even racists can fall in love, and even those people who AREN’T racists, but make a choice to silently benefit from invisible system of global white privilege, can fall in love. Basically, you have to get it into your denial-filled heads that it just ain’t that deep (on a sociological level) for you to demonstrate a capacity for self-serving love or lust.
A lot of Asian females seem to *conveniently* forget two of the most significant and synergistic forces that even gave them the CHANCE to romantically connect with Asian women in the first place: the Asian woman’s predisposed mental image of the white male as heroic, sexy, interesting, and smart, and also the white man’s predisposed ‘image’ of the Asian woman as exotic and sexual beings that are less prone to shoot them down viciously, as those evil, bad, BAAAD white American women would.
They choose to sweep all this under the rug with the all-too-convenient generalization: LOVE IS COLORBLIND. Wrong, you ignoramuses. Your love represents PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE: a ‘colored’ love that is based on racialized preconceptions based on social and cultural indoctrination.
The KEY thing to note is this: that as a segment of society that white men can leverage their social and political power to seduce with social acceptance (After all, being Asian in America is a lonely and alienating business: what better way to escape that than in the arms of a loving white man, right?), many of you are unknowingly – or worse yet KNOWINGLY – complicit in a system of global white (male) privilege, racism, and auto-genocide.
If you honestly didn’t know that these dynamics are going through almost all white men and Asian women’s heads on a SUB-CONSCIOUS level, then you might be forgiven for your naivety and I don’t have a major issue with you (although, I might caution you to re-educate yourself and stop spewing your BS about your “colorblind” love with your white man to anyone that will listen).
But if you KNEW of these dynamics all along and *still* decided to pursue such a ‘racialized’ direction in your personal and love life – all while presenting yourself to the public and to other Asian-Americans as a conscientious, “colorblind” beacon of tolerance – then I definitely have a problem with you. WHY? Because you are a post-colonial parasite in a symbiotic relationship with your master-race host – made all the more worse by the fact that you are masquerading as something more respectable than that.
But you know what?
On a practical level it’s obviously inevitable that people of different races will fall in love (or into lust) when put in proximity to each other, the historical and political context be damned. That’s probably why some of you are dating white guys, or have married one, IN SPITE of all this unsavory historical, cultural, and racial baggage.
But remember that you were the ones that signed up for it when you decided to cross that line and decided to exploit this socio-political loophole (whether consciously or not) to date white men, and it makes no difference whether you like it or not, or if its ‘wrong’ for you to have to bear that scrutiny – it’s there, and there is nothing you or even Asians or whites themselves can do about it – even if they objected to it. So if you’re “faaaabulous” enough to complicitly benefit from white male privilege in an oblique manner (i.e. through the white man), then you’d better be prepared to called out for it. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, and you know that.
So in other words, shit happens. I don’t speak for all Asian-Americans or Asian men or anyone else for that matter, but I can accept the fact that people are people. White men will continue to marry Asian women and have a beautiful happy family and that’s cool, but the important distinction here is the moral obligation (or if you care f*ck-all about morality – call it simple linear logic) for those Asian women to understand their complicity and cooperation in what is an inherently unequal, and thus racist system of global proportions.
They ought to educate themselves, their husbands/boyfriends, and their children, about all this. All this is obviously compulsory for any “interracial” party that truly claims to be ‘enlightened’ and ‘not racist’.
Ok, I’m sorry posting in so many seperate sections, but I had to figure out the order in which to post the separate parts of my message, b/c the way you end up with a MASSIVE block of text is just horrible! ASIANCE EDITORS: this is a SNAFU you need to fix if you want any of your readers to give a shit what others have to say in the comments section.
Now, without further ado, my post.
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I can’t believe the mental midget who posted the message title “A PERFERENCE IS A PERFERENCE” on Sep 29, 2009 @ 01:12 am. LOL!!!
I can forgive you for your typo – it seems you were either in a rush or having an aneurysm.
But first of all: don’t type in all-caps. Drop the ‘Jerry Springer Show guest’ act, cos we can hear you just fine.
Second: you better check your jumbo-sized ignorance at the door. To call a type of interracial relationship with a clear colonial gender/race dynamic a “PREFERENCE” is the most blatantly pathetic RED HERRING argument I have ever seen. Are you for real, or are you just naturally that vapid?
You fail to understand that the concept of RACE *DOES NOT OCCUR IN A VACUUM*, completely independent from historical context.
So understand that when some people question the motivation behind WM/AF couples, it is not because they are raging Nazis or Asian racists. They do this because of the historical context behind such relationships.
First you are ignoring the decades, centuries-long effects of colonialism. You had European men enslaving and raping the women of Asian nations, either as colonizers or as an occupying military force. And as anyone knows, an enslaved race eventually develops a strain of Stockholm Syndrome where they start to empathize and even identify with their captors. Ask a colonial Chinese mistress of a British magistrate of pre-Handover Hong Kong or a Japanese war-bride of an American G.I., and they will all tell you the SAME TWO THINGS: just how *awesome* white men are, and just how lame and pathetic Asian men are.
But now that those colonial times are over, the American media machine (we shall call it “Hollywood” for the sake of discussion) has filled in the ‘white supremacist ideology’ niche quite nicely. Gone are the days of direct and brutal control, and in are the days of indirect, psychological indoctrination into white male-worship.
Hollywood prefers to deify white men and strategically place Asian female characters around them – usually as a romantic or sexual accessory to embellish their white male desirability. The will also feature Asian men as a comic or sexless foil against this “white male-Asian female” combo, or leave them out altogether. Now imagine this “Hollywood” media machine churning out a decades-long DELUGE of this racailzed propaganda: it’s really a no-brainer why girls like you can’t stop drooling whenever a white boy shakes his little bon-bons in his tighty-whiteys on TV.
I *know* that some of you will argue that after dating your white man (and vice-versa), you’ve come to see the ‘real you’ in each other and are truly in love. Good for you.
I don’t doubt that – even racists can fall in love, and even those people who AREN’T racists, but make a choice to silently benefit from invisible system of global white privilege, can fall in love. Basically, you have to get it into your denial-filled heads that it just ain’t that deep (on a sociological level) for you to demonstrate a capacity for self-serving love or lust.
A lot of Asian females seem to *conveniently* forget two of the most significant and synergistic forces that even gave them the CHANCE to romantically connect with Asian women in the first place: the Asian woman’s predisposed mental image of the white male as heroic, sexy, interesting, and smart, and also the white man’s predisposed ‘image’ of the Asian woman as exotic and sexual beings that are less prone to shoot them down viciously, as those evil, bad, BAAAD white American women would.
Hollywood prefers to deify white men and strategically place Asian female characters around them – usually as a romantic or sexual accessory to embellish their white male desirability. The will also feature Asian men as a comic or sexless foil against this “white male-Asian female” combo, or leave them out altogether. Now imagine this “Hollywood” media machine churning out a decades-long DELUGE of this racailzed propaganda: it’s really a no-brainer why girls like you can’t stop drooling whenever a white boy shakes his little bon-bons in his tighty-whiteys on TV.
But remember that you were the ones that signed up for it when you decided to cross that line and decided to exploit this socio-political loophole (whether consciously or not) to date white men, and it makes no difference whether you like it or not, or if its ‘wrong’ for you to have to bear that scrutiny – it’s there, and there is nothing you or even Asians or whites themselves can do about it – even if they objected to it. So if you’re “faaaabulous” enough to complicitly benefit from white male privilege in an oblique manner (i.e. through the white man), then you’d better be prepared to called out for it. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, and you know that.
If you honestly didn’t know that these dynamics are going through almost all white men and Asian women’s heads on a SUB-CONSCIOUS level, then you might be forgiven for your naivety and I don’t have a major issue with you (although, I might caution you to re-educate yourself and stop spewing your BS about your “colorblind” love with your white man to anyone that will listen).
They choose to sweep all this under the rug with the all-too-convenient generalization: LOVE IS COLORBLIND. Wrong, you ignoramuses. Your love represents PRECISELY THE OPPOSITE: a ‘colored’ love that is based on racialized preconceptions based on social and cultural indoctrination.
But you know what?
On a practical level it’s obviously inevitable that people of different races will fall in love (or into lust) when put in proximity to each other, the historical and political context be damned. That’s probably why some of you are dating white guys, or have married one, IN SPITE of all this unsavory historical, cultural, and racial baggage.
I *know* that some of you will argue that after dating your white man (and vice-versa), you’ve come to see the ‘real you’ in each other and are truly in love. Good for you.
I don’t doubt that – even racists can fall in love, and even those people who AREN’T racists, but make a choice to silently benefit from invisible system of global white privilege, can fall in love. Basically, you have to get it into your denial-filled heads that it just ain’t that deep (on a sociological level) for you to demonstrate a capacity for self-serving love or lust.
Ok, I’m sorry for posting in so many separate sections (and in reverse order, so that it is easier for the person reading it – they just have to read the right way, i.e. DOWN), but the way you end up with a MASSIVE block of text if you post all at once is just… horrible! ASIANCE EDITORS: this is a snafu you need to fix if you want any of your readers to give a shit what others have to say in the comments section.
They ought to educate themselves, their husbands/boyfriends, and their children, about all this. All this is obviously compulsory for any “interracial” party that truly claims to be ‘enlightened’ and ‘not racist’.
But if you KNEW of these dynamics all along and *still* decided to pursue such a ‘racialized’ direction in your personal and love life – all while presenting yourself to the public and to other Asian-Americans as a conscientious, “colorblind” beacon of tolerance – then I definitely have a problem with you. WHY? Because you are a post-colonial parasite in a symbiotic relationship with your master-race host – made all the more worse by the fact that you are masquerading as something more respectable than that.
If you honestly didn’t know that these dynamics are going through almost all white men and Asian women’s heads on a SUB-CONSCIOUS level, then you might be forgiven for your naivety and I don’t have a major issue with you (although, I might caution you to re-educate yourself and stop spewing your BS about your “colorblind” love with your white man to anyone that will listen).
So in other words, shit happens. I don’t speak for all Asian-Americans or Asian men or anyone else for that matter, but I can accept the fact that people are people. White men will continue to marry Asian women and have a beautiful happy family and that’s cool, but the important distinction here is the moral obligation (or if you care f*ck-all about morality – call it simple linear logic) for those Asian women to understand their complicity and cooperation in what is an inherently unequal, and thus racist system of global proportions.
Quit yo hollering tool time boy!
Honestly, it has nothing to do with respect, but I just want to bag an Asian woman so I can tell if they really do have vaginas that go sideways. You might think Im putting this down to just stir shit, but actually Im very serious. I hear that line in the movie “me rove you rong time” and it makes me harder than a diamond in an ice storm. Is that so wrong? Ive been used by women most of the time, whats so wrong about wanting a sideways vajajay? All that really puts me back is coming home from my job and unlocking the house where I would keep her, and my dog being cooked in the oven. Has this ever happened to anyone?
Im not a bad guy, I just love me some pohk fwied wice. Not with dog, oh, and hot asian womerns.
They fantasize that a White man will give them a beautiful White baby. They desperately hide from the fact that these gorgeous White children can only come from 2 White parents. We have lots of talk about White women hating Asian women, but the truth is the Asian women very much resent White women, because only you can give a White man that gorgeous White baby. In terms of truly assisting a White man in continuing his genetic lineage the White woman trumps the Asian every time, be it in looks, creativity or intelligence of the potential offspring. Asian women are furious about this and can act very cold to White women as they ogle your man. In their pathetic jealousy they willfully refuse to understand that Asian women give white men Asian babies, that white men don’t give Asian women white babies. When I was a translator I used to see far too many lost white boys in Asia who had knocked up an Asian, often by accident. They had gotten caught up in some Asian girl’s “I’m having a white baby” fantasy, which is exactly that, only a dream. The foolish guy was stuck with the awful consequences–a very Asian-looking baby, his genes barely if at all apparent. He had terminated his own genetic legacy to spawn a Mongoloid. Just as with wf/bm mixing, there are no winners in af/wm procreation, only losers, especially the poor mixed kids. Asian women need to give up these delusions that they can give birth to nordic babies by hooking up with a White man. By pushing their Asian genes into our White gene pool they only destroy the very features they so covet. They need to get some pride already and find their own men in Asia once again.
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Good article.
THe city where I live (in US) doesn’t suffer as badly from the social low mindset (and intellect) of other places in the US (as some disturbing comments indicate).
Suggestions:
You’ve used yourself as the example in this article, but it is not necessary. What you should instead focus on
focus on “Generalization” fallacy.
“People often ascribe negative motivations to behavior they don’t understand.”
This statement is a general opinion that is supported only by the relevant claim. The statement should either be specific or should be backed by more evidence. I personally do not think that statement is correct in the general sense, and should be rewrote as:
People may often tend to ascribe to false beliefs rather than try to understand the matter at hand. This can be mired in Appeal to Popularity.
Evidence of such fallacious arguments:
1) Creation of the world is not completely known. The bible says God created the Earth. Therefore, the Bible is the only complete answer, and must be correct.
THere are probably more, such as those and likely muddied with more generalizations, misconceptions, false statistics, and statistical misinterpretation.
We should all have a interracial orgy party and call it a day.
I was searching the web to find out more about my Caucasian husband’s strong preference for Asian women. I was surprised to find the amount of material covering this topic. As an americanized Asian woman whose early childhood was in Vietnam, I am familiar with both eastern and western culture. I can say that there are plenty of variety in both cultures, good and bad. Thus, I read most of the stereotypical and ignorant comments with laughter. Another thing that baffles me is the possessiveness over other people’s preference in a mate, as if they have a right to be critical of other people’s choices in life mate or sexual preferences. Can we say misplaced control? Are they having sex or in a relationship with that person? What is it of anybody’s business? As in Jay Spark’s case, Asian women turn my husband’s motor on much faster than other racial groups. He’s not a racist. It’s an automatic preference. I prefer white men myself, maybe because my stepfather was white. I also prefer tall, huggable men with kind, expressive faces. A lot of the white men I run into fit into that mold. With my husband’s strong sexual preference, I don’t have to do much to have him see me as a sex goddess. Hurray for me. I say if you prefer oranges over apples, why force yourself to eat apples to avoid the fruitist label? Why not enjoy life and fill your mouth full of oranges? Let others eat the apples. Plenty of people like apples.
I stumbled onto this website and topic by accident (the wonders of Google, eh?) and found the topic and its replies fascinating.
I consider myself one of the luckiest persons in the world: I am a wealthy, succesful, white-male living in Hong Kong. I’ve been here about 1.5 years now, and have learned of, and experienced to my continuing delite, this WM/AF phenomenon.
A quick qualifier – I’m going to try to be brutually honest here and expect I’ll get beaten badly for my charachter flaws. Fair enough.
First Confession: I have always been a “womanizer”. I am mostly a moral, honest and decent man in most respects, so this is not my best quality, but it is relevant to my discussion on this topic. I apologize in advance to you women for my evil ways: I am great in bed.., but horrible as a faithful boyfriend.
Anyway:
I have lived in the US, Europe, and now Asia. Up until I moved to Hong Kong I had no particular preferance for Asian women. I have always been extremely attracted to women in general, but usually stayed with white women simply for the fact that in the US/Europe they are more plentiful and indeed I figured we would have more in common (IE: meaning I figured I would have a better chance of scoring with the white girl). (What a mistaken thought that was!!).
Barely a couple years here I am now definately far more attracted to Asian women than any other race. The initial reason for this is the most “real” one, and nothing to be ashamed of – I simply think Asian women are incredibly beautiful. Typically fit, slim, and healthy looking. The weathier ones dress great and show off their wonderful figures, legs and skin in fashions that range from extremely elegant to down-right stripper-girl sexy. All fun to watch as I wander home from work each day. But even the poorer ones still can’t help but look great in my eyes. The very white (and quite tall) northern Chinese, the browner/curvier women from Thailand or the Phillipines. I find the physical features of Asian women very striking. Simply Gorgeous.
The second reason is less pure-animal-attraction, and is directly related to this topic. It requires another admission:
Second Confession: I am taking direct advantage (yes, exploiting is the right word, actually) of the preferance Asian women have of white males. I have now dated around 40 or 50 (or so) different Asian women (some were just one-night-stands: as I said, I am very much the womanizer, and I usually have 1 or 2 dates a week).
At least 90% of them said they would only date “western men” (their term for white men – sounds less racist and more cultural, I suppose). If I was a modern Asian man I would be pissed off too… seems they aren’t even given the chance to show what kind of man they are. Clearly they would have to work much harder than I to try to impress these women enough to get a date.
When pressed for reasons why they like western men (I began asking this about a year ago to try to figure out what is going on) almost all these woman say the same few things… Asian men are too “traditional”.., which means they do not treat them well, will allow them no room to live an interesting life, will abuse or neglect them. Western men are nicer, more handsome, weathier, more respectful, etc., etc.
Wow.., I was shocked by what I saw as a reverse-racism. Naive, perhaps, but I did not expect it. Yes, I completely get the attraction to a successful man (wealth and security are key criterias that white women have aswell – so nothing new there), but all this other stuff?
I am tall and fit.., but I am just an averge-looking guy overall. I have been told I am extremly handsome by some women, and absolutely-not-their-type by others: so I figure I fall in the middle somewhere. I did okay in the US/Europe with white women, was even married for a number of years (to a very good women too – she certainly deserved a more faithful man than me). But I received nowhere near the attention from women that I receive daily in Asia. Not even close. In the west, I am just another man.., a successful one and this helps.., but nothing special. Here though..,
Here, if I walk into a night-club or bar, the pool, the supermarket, the subway.., (you get the point) I can be chatting up a beautiful women within 15 minutes. I can have her phone number in 30. And a date following a quick sms shortly thereafter. 80% of these flings reach what I will call a “successful” stage: That is, I either 1) slept with her more than once, or 2) we didn’t sleep together but she told me she really wanted to keep seeing me in a manner that I felt was truthful (at which point I often break it off in the gentlest way possible). (Nasty, eh? Sorry.) That is, we reached a next level that was either intimate or mutually understood it was becoming initmate or “important” to them.
This incredible success rate in Asia compared to my very average success rate in Europe or the US is clearly due the WM/AF bias. I am seen as a lottery-ticket to a new life by some, as the great-white-hero to others, or even as the superior-being to some. These women have said as much.
Initially, I was terribly flatered by the attention. Only when I understood this WM/AF things did I realize I am merely exploiting a racist bias that has nothing to do with me. For it is not “me” they are attracted to: it is the Wealthy White Man and all the dreams that those 3 words conjure.
Should Asian Men hate me? Yes. It is not a level playing field – I have all the white man advantages, and am using them to sleep with your women.
Should Asian women hate me? Yes. Unless it is just fun and romance you are after I will cause you loss of self-respect at best, and possibly deep emotional pain at worst. Only depends on how far I allow it to go…
Should white women hate me? Yes. I have abandoned you because you are too much effort. Beautiful Asian women chase me! I don’t need to try to impress you any longer. Bye Bye.
So: that is an observation from someone who is living this issue from one particular, wolf-like manner.
Why the hell do asian men get so upset at white dudes dating asian women? Asian women are the most racist group of people, they hate being asian, they have no ass or boobs, they are emotionless robots, and they lack any creativity or tact. Asian men should move on since there are plenty of women out there who will treat them well.
I find this post fascinating. Whereas Jay’s article was honest, it’s also ignorantly naive.
Asian women do see white males as superior to Asian men. They see white males as gods. Look at the Philippines, where they all claim to be part Spanish, when in reality they have less than 3% Spanish blood on average.
Whether people accept it or not, colonialism declared whites as superior and Hollywood and media images have perpetuated this stereotype.
It’s psychological for many people. Having a white person by their side, particularly, a white male, is a symbol of power. It makes them feel accomplished.
You are right, these Asian women are dumb as fuck. Asian genes are dominant over white genes.
Oh, i get it! You can’t handle Asian women…! Stupid blondes with fake boobies! Still can’t keep your men for urselves, huh? U might as well increase the size of ur brains instead of paying too much attention to ur boobies. Watch out…they’ll sag so badly when u start to get fat and old! LMAO! Start working out instead of hating us too much that u’d already not notice u’r losing ur men!
Don’t generalize it. Not ALL asian women see white males as superior to asian men nor see them as “gods.” Sure, there are some ignorant ones who do, but not all. And not all thinks that whites are superior! Excuse me?! LMAO!
Awww…it’s clear that you are such an ignorant racist! LMAO! You do sound very jealous of Asian women with the way you gave your comments. I bet you are so pissed with the idea that a lot of white men prefer Asians. If you open your eyes as widely as possible, you will see that babies of wm/af are one of the most attractive ones in the whole world! Wf/wm combination produces very ordinary products–one that you can see anywhere in your streets. Trust me on that. I am one of those gifted with an extraordinary beauty and oozing sex appeal that white males are dying to have! Sorry about that, gurl! I know it could be very depressing trying so hard to reduce those fats and get a toned body, to give a beautiful glow to your very pale and freckled skin, and to possess a very strong sex appeal. Just learn to live with it and stop being a racist. Stop bitching coz there are better bitches! Hahaha!
Absolutely right!
haha i agree lets all just get naked.
Pity the crates of lonely,angry abandoned oranges.Damn those apples i am going to TANGO them!
In the world,FLUFF TALK
Shame on you asian men.You rant and cry foul when you can’t level the playing field,and aggressively put down the asian female who date outside their race or white man.When the asian women chose men from other race,you thought you could put off the same trick(dating other races)to bring them back to you or show that you are desirable.It back fired .You were not prefered by women from both races.You can’t dislike interracial relationship because you can’t.Not all interracial relationship is a sellout or an act of self hate.C’MON asian men wake up.You don’t own asian women.They know what is right for themselves and their lives.
Your probably a arrogant white guy, well if your not who cares.
But cut the bullshit your writing cuz most of it doesn’t make any sense and it seems that you tend to think all asian guys are the same? You need to meet more people instead of searching the internet, and getting opinions from what other people write.
Chao outside muda fucka.
I find this website to be very absurd of how a white guy can act f–king cocky and make excuses as to why he likes Asian women. this guy clearly is a creepy asiaphile. You see a lot of these asiaphiles, mainly white guys, going to Asia (i.e. Japan, S Korea, Taiwan, China, Philippines, etc) to not only teach “engrish” but to also get laid with women. Some of them travel to Asia mainly to do this while other engrish teachers from amerikkka have this kind of perverted mentality in their minds. And to the most recent poster, shame on us Asian males for being angry? Well excuse me shithead, but going against mainstream media, hollywitz and garbage magazine that teenage girls read highly portray blacks nad white males to be adorable, date-able material. On the other hand, Asian males are mainly portrayed as gay, nerds, villains, weirdos, murderers, sex offenders, kung-fu warriors etc. However, Asian males are not shown as normal good-loving human beings. What irks me a lot are the Asian women, mainly the material ho’s living in L.A. and NYC/Jersey area. Those are the typical “I don’t date Asian male” kind of SOW (sell out whores). To hell with amerikkka. After I finish my graduate program, I hope to move to Shanghai and start my business and marry a fellow Asian chick. No need to think about “hope” for amerikkka’s future, because I don’t see one with all this racial antagonism and shit.
IT TAKES TWO TO FUCK.
YOU TALK MUCH FOR A GUY WHO DOESN’T CARE.HA HA
BYE BYE.SEND POSTCARDS FROM SHANGHAI,LOVE YA.
the ones that see white man attractive is always the ignorant one.Please don’t preach when you generalise.
i think you prefer to be ignorant.You know its true.Anyway i know the bitterness and anger is eating you inside.Choose LOVE not HATE. do you need sleeping pills?
NICE.Keep on assuming that its always a white guy who writes but not feedback from an asian girl,you dumb DIMSUM.
I’ve dated Asian girls in Thailand, Japan and the US and contrary to what you may think, Asian women in ASIA are not in love with white guys. Sure, a lot girls who are either poor or would be considered unattractive by the locals go for white guys and peace with that.
I don’t see why you would want to go to Asia for an Asian girl anyway. Their culture is very different from western culture and you have to struggle with language and negative stereotypes among higher class women.
No, find an Asian girl in the US. I mean, their parents showed some intelligence and courage in leaving their countries to pursue their dreams and they raised their children well. Americanized Asian women are great, Asian women in Asia. Too much of a headcase.
Great one. I echo with you.
Usually us white girls dont want to talk behind your back usually we will just say it to your face. we are not jealous of your olive skin and features because you dont have anything unique.White girls are very unique and should be the ones that are considered exotic because mind you, we have different hair colors, eye colors, body sizes and heights.Also the thing you said about us being hoochie mama’s just because we want a ring on our finger? How does that even make sense?If a girl wants to be married obviously she wants only that one guy and she is not interested in screwing other guys. My comment to you is atleast we dont sell ourselves out and we are not guys door mats. you all are. Your own mothers even sell you out to rich white guys its pretty sad but its true. Get a life Laila
Wow…I didn’t know that Caucasian men have such high regard for Asian women ;p
Well, I have always been attracted to Caucasian men, not because I think that they’re better than Asian guys, but because if i were to ever ever ever have kids, I’d like them to be good looking.
Having grown up alongside Hollywood films & western media representations, it is quite natural for me to develop a liking for the Caucasian looks.
However, I find that not many Caucasian men have the family-loving qualities that Asian men have – ie, it is extremely easy for me to get a Caucasian date, but not so easy to find someone who wants a soul mate.
I wish someday this world change… all of us have the same skin color, same culture so there will be no stereotype anymore in a sense that people always have negative judgment toward each other merely just because one person or one group of people looks bad/behaves badly… understanding is all we need.
peace
Charmaine Chen ,you have the right to choose who you want to marry or have kids with.Its your life ,your choice.But i would warn you ,you are about to be crucified in this forum.RUUUUUNNNNN!!!!!
I am Chinese myself and find it offensive to see a white guy and an Asian woman together. I feel like the bitch is a sell-out who leaches off the white dude for status reasons. Most Asian women are boring and conformists. I truly look down on people who date outside their race.
its funny how these asian women want to get with a white man cuz they think they’ll get “cute hapa babies.” then when they finally do have one it turns out to look like rob schneider, who by the way is hapa.
Hi Mr. Spark,
Thank you so much for writing this article. Even though you were writing for male audience. I found it quite something of a learning experience and new insights that overthrew the old ones. Previously in life, I have dated an Italian American guy for a year. One thing that I loved about this relationship was how astounding this relationship changed me as a person, not because of my Asian ethnicity or my American-influenced Asian upbringing. Growing up, I haven’t had any clue about my own ethnicity or other ethnicities because I was the only asian girl growing up in a fully White environment and white elementary school. Or I didn’t exactly have any physical attraction to guys until much, much later. Before I realized it, I liked a white guy. Then, it was, I realized something else, which left me confused: A white guy only dates a white girl. I felt somewhat lost, but it didn’t get me too deeply as I was enjoying my life. Then came this guy who talked to me all of a suddenly about how he loves pokemon. He made me smile so much because all my life, my whole life, I was always hearing white people saying that pokemon was stupid and they hated it and I nodded and agreed with them while secretly I was conflicted because I love pokemon so much that I have a pikachu doll to sleep with every night.
I can’t imagine dating an Asian guy. Long story short, my father passed away when i was very young, just about entering elementary school. So, I never had that Asian male role to grow up with. And my mother was quite liberal that she tried to raise me as an American, by celebrating birthday, valentine, halloween, july 4th, more than Asian, New Moon or the animal years. I must admit, growing up I thought the whole time I was white. Then eventually many years later around high school, I realized that I was not white and had grown inwardly since because I had this emptiness that crawled at me. It took me a long time to relearn everything about myself and arrive to that point where I am happy with who I am, with what I am. I am Asian and I am simply proud.
I am half-Taiwanese and half-Japanese. I have dated both. I really appreciate the experiences and all the romantic times with them, but I’ve struggled in my relationships with them because I don’t entirely embrace the Asian women’s belief. One good example about my struggle with asian culture and belief, a friend of mine, who is Asian and really beautiful and strong, has a degree from Princeton Uni. She said, “This [asian guy] has an MBA from UC berkeley. The moment he heard me say Princeton, he was ready to leave me on the spot.” Asian belief: men don’t want to date a woman who is, in any way, better than them. Successful women is admirable, but men want women to admire them than the other way around. So that’s why I was just struggling in my relationships with Asian guys.
Then came this Italian American guy who swept me off my feet. I wouldn’t say it’s because of him I changed. It’s more that he’s my first door to my rightful place. I couldn’t imagine a White guy dating an Asian girl until I met him. He helped me find my place and where I stand in all honesty and where I can be true to myself. I have always liked white, but I need someone to appreciate my mixed Asian culture, family, blood, and where I come from.
OK, that’s quite a long comment here. Again, thank you for the article. It was a pleasant read.
Warm Regards,
Kimberly
WHAT R YOU AN ASIAN HITLER?!Why don’t you gas yourself now and save the world of another world war?!LOSER
After reading this topic, I want to tell a little bit of how i initially feel about white people.
I’m mostly admired them, they all look beautiful in the eyes and being raised as a South Vietnamese in Australia, I am taught to portrait White people as peace loving heroes. As a guy I’ve always dreamed of being with a White girl and be assimilated into the Western society and to contribute to that beautiful world they have created.
As a Vietnamese boy being raised in Melbourne I don’t have much things to do but to dream on everyday and all days and thought one of those dream would come true one day. But as i grow up, I’ve realized that most White people are extremely racist people who once tormented my aunties who came to Australia during the fall of Vietnam.
White people have lied so much to me in school as they always trying to prevent Asian from learning. I’ve witnessed our women being taken away from us in front of us while we are being the racial target at the same time. I’ve witnessed so many rape stories towards White girls and couldn’t tackle the reason why White girls still prefer those men that has always been raping them.
It is true that we’re short ugly men. I’m 174 and I’ve rarely seen any White man who is shorter than me and at least 60% of them are more beautiful and masculine than me. But i do not feel inferior to White people because of any of these features they have but it came from my deep respects that my parents have embedded within me during my childhoods.
I know it’s rough life over here, I’m already 24 and pursuing my dream of helping my poor people in Vietnam and Uniting us East Asian people. As heart broken as I am being rejected within the Western societies I feel abundant and independent with nothing but a dream left to fulfill.
I don’t know much about love as I’ve never had a girl friend before but I feel stronger when I’m more isolated. I feel happy for those Asian women who found their dream partner that are tall Western men.
But you see, I’ve borrowed 250 000aud 2 years ago to purchase a retail business(risky but I’m willing to throw my life away to experiences new things). It turned out very profitable and now I’m planning to establish a company in Vietnam to further generate more income and soon to open an orphanage to help out the young yet unfortunate children of Vietnam. But one day, i will raise those kids into brain washed people who hate this world the same way as I do.
I am an asian woman who was born and raised in asian culture, but i am so crazy of white culture. (If i could be born to be white, I would choose to be one of them) I only want to date and marry white man, and I only like white people. I have dated some asian men before and I totally regret it. Mainly because I think white culture are simple. White men tend to be more responsible, gentlemen, romantic, manly and so on…. Sure, there are white men who are jerks and asshole ,but look at asian men again. Many of them are also the same. Many mrried asian men have mistresses, they go to “massage plus plus” and many other crazy places where you can get laid by prostitutes. Many asian girls are desperate to be rich that they have to sell themselves or to be business men’s mistresses. I seldom hear white women are desperate to have money just to buy them clothes and make up or to be pretty. I only hear this among asian women. It would take me hundred of pages to describe how good white people are and how not good (specially asian men) asian are. I know alot of my asian girlfriends who prefer white men than asian men because of the same reasons with me.
I am trully sorry if you feel offended, but it’s just my opinion and how I look about things. Asian people are too much with culture and weird beliefs. I am myself born and raised in asian culture find how complicated it is to be asian. WHite people are just simple and don’t believe weird things. The most important is : compared to asian women, White women are less desperate to be rich and pretty as themselves are already naturally beautiful. and oh, white women without makeup are gorgeous, while asian women have to put tons of makeup to be pretty…..
Moreover, asian women tend to be too skinny, flat chest and ass. No curve at all, not sexy ! White women have curves, breasts and ass, tall, long legged, nice firmed skin. (yea… yea..I know there are some who are overweight, fat , and have sagging breast, so are asians !!)
Ahhh, how i wish to be one of them…
Why do you find it offensive to see white man with asian woman ??
I have been to China and heard it myself from a white man that he knows that chinese men hate white men because they steal “their” women. I thought it was quite funny !!
I am an asian woman who was born and raised in asian culture, but i am so crazy of white culture.
(If i could be born to be white, I would choose to be one of them)
I only want to date and marry white man, and I only like white people. I have dated some asian men before and I totally regret it. Mainly because I think white culture are simple. White men tend to be more responsible, gentlemen, romantic, manly and so on…. Sure, there are white men who are jerks and asshole ,but look at asian men again. Many of them are also the same. Many mrried asian men have mistresses, they go to “massage plus plus” and many other crazy places where you can get laid by prostitutes. Many asian girls are desperate to be rich that they have to sell themselves or to be business men’s mistresses. I seldom hear white women are desperate to have money just to buy them clothes and make up or to be pretty. I only hear this among asian women.
It would take me hundred of pages to describe how good white people are and how not good (specially asian men) asian are.
I know alot of my asian girlfriends who prefer white men than asian men because of the same reasons with me.
I am trully sorry if you feel offended, but it’s just my opinion and how I look about things.
Asian people are too much with culture and weird beliefs.
I am myself born and raised in asian culture find how complicated it is to be asian.
WHite people are just simple and don’t believe weird things. The most important is : compared to asian women, White women are less desperate to be rich and pretty as themselves are already naturally beautiful.
and oh, white women without makeup are gorgeous, while asian women have to put tons of makeup to be pretty…..
Forget Asian bitches. White girls are better looking anyways.
My mom is Asian and my dad is white. I believe that White people think they know everything when they dont. I laugh when Asian women say white guys are faithful. White guys with asian fetishes are the least faithful of all men. you are fools for thinking they are faithful. My dad had many affairs in the past. My dad would leave us for months because of his affairs. My mom is a crazy self-hating bitch. My sister hates white men so shes knows the truth about white men. White men do not treat women better they basically lie to them and cheat on them and pretend everything is fine. Fuck white people fuck asian people. I personally dont find White girls or Asian girls attractive. I like Latin girls best. with white girls i do like italian and spanish girls and sometimes eastern european.
For Asian women they are overrated for the beauty and are the most guilble and most selfish of all the ladies.
asian girls are not really that attractive. I dont like white girls much either they think they are princess and so do Asian girls. I like Latin women they are way more exotic than boring and plain Asian girls.
WTF. Your kids will always be asian not matter who the father is. Your a prime example of a confused self-hating bitch. Im a white/asian guy and i refuse to date asian girls not because i think their unattractive but because they are shallow self-hating bitches.
lol im not offended say the least cause everything and everyone around me is the same. im Asian male, born and raised in Australia and have been through both Asian and WHite culture. I have friends of both backgrounds and dont mind either culture. But from what ive been through and seen, its all the same bs. Everyone is a cheating, lying faggot. You can embrace the white culture but shouldn’t be so envious. Don’t worship them. They are people. Just like me and you.
I’m a white guy who’s been dating an asian girl for 2 years now. I’m 22 and 5′ 10″. She is 5′ 7″. I’ve dated white and spanish girls in the past and can really say race doesn’t make a difference. My girlfriend told me about this “asian fetish” crap she’s heard in class and was reading in a cosmo magazine. Personally I think its all made up by white girls jealous us white guys can date outside our race. It really shouldn’t stir people’s emotions as much if they weren’t jealous. Also, all this talk about white guys “settling” for non-whites is the same jealous people talking. The race hasn’t mattered for me, its been the personality and of course beauty that has mattered. Seriously people shouldn’t look up to America as much as they do for beauty. Everyone is getting fat in this country. 65% are obese or overweight. My gf and myself are the only power couple we’ve seen that works out and has abs! Wake up guys.
Oh really? WOW. Forget White bitches they are FAT ASS!!! asian girls are better looking haha lol
Oh really? WOW. Forget White bitches they are FAT ASS!!! asian girls are better looking haha lol
Oh really? WOW. Forget White bitches they are FAT ASS!!! asian girls are better looking haha lol
Everyone likes different things, whatever floats their boat is what i say. You like pizza I like burgers, some guys like tall and skinny, some like them thick, some women like jacked up weight lifters and some like them tall dark and handsome.
Everyone has different tastes, different views. Let them like what they like. I prefer asian women. I don’t know why, I just know that I’m attracted to them. and as far as them being submissive, my filipina wife is definitely not submissive, so its not all of them, don’t generalize.
Hi Jay,
Thanks for the article.
I myself couldn’t have expressed the feelings /attraction towards asian ladies any better than you did. I fully subscribe to all you wrote down in the article. Especially the many misconceptions about white men dating asians. For years I have asked myself the question, why this attraction (luckily often mutual) for which I did not choose. I always thought it must be purely fysical. E.g. I (apparantly) don’t like females with hair on the wrong places or I (apparantely) don’t like the extreme skincolors, like pale or black. I (apparently) like tight bodies and dislike sagging etc. etc. I felt it was much, much more than this. More than just skindeep !
Thanks again for helping me getting a slighly better insight in myself.
Joseph (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)
@umm,
I find your reply harsh, but very true (for the most part)
First it is a problem when one starts to date strictly on color to start with. I know many believe that’s not a crime they are guilty of the truth is usually plain to see. Beauty is beauty be you Black, white Asian etc.
Every black man with a bald head is not a Tyson Bedford ford model, every white boy with blond hair is not Brad pit” every Asian girl with straight black hair is not a Lucy Lou…
In the seventies and early eighties they had a joke about white women and black men
Black men (most not all) would take the lowest class whit woman he least attractive
And pick her over a Black woman who was ten times more attractive and ten times more successful. A white woman who could not get a date with a decent white man could walk in a club and get the best black man in the club.
Next as time went on you had white women with Back fetish they did no care what he looked like they just wanted to screw anything black in many cases they could no tell one black from another.
As time has past you don’t see that as much the playing field seems to have even out between the two. Also these two races have a deeper richer history with each other especially in the west.
I See Asian girls these days going through the same thing now.
I have seen white Guys that no Latin, white or Black girl would give the time of a minute on his best day” I seen that same white guy have the most beautiful successful Asian women at will. I have see Asian parents proud of the half white son in-law and grandchild
Walking with head held high even though the white guy is a jobless slob who mistreats the daughter.
I have seen many of my Asian sisters talk a good game (make some great excuses)
“The parents accept it because they know the grand children and daughters will have a better chance for success. “Not true because I have see countless number of Asian women carrying the load and marrying bums. This myth about the white professional marring the Asian girl is rare” unless he is to old to catch the woman of his dreams
So he settles for the Asian who will love him with or with out his money.
My best friend fell in love with a young man from Brazil “very handsome, very good to her and very hard working. Her family hated him cause he was Dark she claimed
It was a cultural choice o leaves him.
Four months later she married his white guy that her cherish white friend described as gross and looser” she strutted in the club with this guy on her arm as if he was Johnny Depp” The truth is “ I Know”””” many Asian girls who date and look strictly for white men and the accept things from White men Personalities, looks, disrespect, ambitions and a whole list of other things they would not dream of accepting from another race
Even from within ”
The truth is Asian view Whites as the superior race and they cant tell the difference
They are blinded by Western lights” They are one of the few races ashamed of their tanned skin Indian being the second “ They spend ton’s in skin bleachers etc.
Korean actresses routinely get plastic surgery on their eyes and nose to look Caucasian. (I know not every one applies to this rule) So if you don’t I am talking about you! But in general this is the case if we only look deeper.
I hear allot of racial undertones about other races coming from Asians that are straight out of the Westerners play book that Asians don’t realized is played on them as well.
I recall an Asian comedian implying that Asian girls who date Black guys are sluts are desperate. Wake up call” White view Asian girls who date white Guys are mail order brides me love you long time easy targets” and I am sure you would not like it”
Maybe we should all look at people as an independent not race
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I don’t find Asian women attractive at all.
Interesting article and I applaude your candidness. I agree that it’s hard to talk about anything remotely “racist” in the U.S., particularly when it involves beauty and aesthetic preference. It might be interesting to point out that Asia is a huge continent with many people of different colors, facial featues, etc.. I’ve always had a problem with hearing some men say they are mostly attracted to “Asian women”, when a woman from Pakistan or India looks dramatically different from a woman from Korea or Japan. So, this raises the question of how thin the line really is between aesthetic preference and racial fetishism. I consider myself Asian, because my grandmother was born in China, but, the only thing “Asian-looking” about me would be my black hair…does that make me any less attractive to a man who particularly favors east-Asian features? How “Asian” does an Asian woman have to be for you to feel attracted to her? Then there’s also the fact that women from other cultures might look just as “Asian” as an Asian woman…I’ve seen women of Mexican, Native American and Icelandic decent who I could have sworn were descended from some east Asian country; perhaps, it would be more appropriate to say you are attracted to “Almond eyes”, “Lily-white skin” and “flaxen-black hair” rather than generalize a continent with a population much bigger than North America? Think about it… This is a legitimate, productively, critical reply to the article of Asian-Caucasian interracial romance.
The Asian Boy Speaks On Dating White Women:
As an asian guy myself, back in the day, I used to feel like all of the white dudes were invading our gene pool. Yea, and I used to call the asian women dating them “sellouts”…but I’m a little older and wiser now and realized that asian men can hook up with white girls…if they choose. Asian guys need to hang out with the few true “asian players” out there who are taking all of the glory..>>>>http://www.asianpimpstatus.com
I usually don’t reply to these sorts of blogs but after reading your commentary I have to say thank you for being insightful, honest, and most importantly, keeping unnecessary racist diatribes out of the opinion.
I am an ansian girl. I think your friends go too far. white girls are not superior to us ansian girls. in fact, our ansian people don’t think white girls are more beautiful or elegant than us ansian girls. in our eyes, white girls are too big and strong, which makes them less attractive. we don’t have a name for ansian girls who like white guys. everyong has his own preference. ingore your friends unfriendly words, if you really like ansian girls. but keep in mind that don’t hurt them. please love them deeply.
I’m a Asian woman, and I personally find white men MORE attractive than Asian men. Majority of the time I find Asian men to be cute, not handsome. Well you may say “I find or know plenty of Asian men who are handsome”. Remember, we’re speaking of different taste here. It is hard for Asian men to get my attention because I turn them down all the time. There was ONCE that I said yes to this Asian guy. There may be times where I would say “Oh he’s handsome.” Guess what? He turns out to be an Asian celebrity. For example, Daniel Henney. He is HANDSOME. I would LOVE to date this guy. I don’t know why White men gets my attention more than Asian guy. I don’t know. My mother do not want me to marry or even date anyone out of my own race. The problem is I don’t like my own ethnicity. One of my issue with the Asian men is confidence. Majority of the guys I’ve encounter with will ask one of their buddies to make the move for him. I have plenty of Asian male friends, and we are close like brothers and sisters. I just do not find myself dating them.
I have come across many instances of Asian girls not liking Asian guys , and only liking Caucasians. I think this is the worst sort of racism that exists. That which is related to one’s own race. I think caucasian men who have a fetish for Asian girls is creepy. For an Asian guy, it makes my blood boil everytime I see an Asian girl with a white boyfriend. I think you should stick to your own race.
bitch den why you read dish ish??
you are not settling. the asian women are though. asian parents are seriously failing their children by not thoroughly warning them about the white guys/predators.
People like you are part of the problem. Or are trolling.
Wow, Asian guys… so much hate, so much “ONLY DATE YOUR OWN RACE!” The reason you have a hard time attracting white girls (or maybe even Asian girls?) is because you probably have no style. There are plenty of white guys who are just like you, and think all women who date “jocks” or “football players” are whores or sluts.
Admit you’re being selfish and are in denial. Then, go get some decent clothes, shower daily, and DO SOME EXERCISE. I used to be one of you (although I hated girls who dated black guys), but when I got in shape and got some social skills, things were a lot better.
By the way, I’ve dated Asian girls before and this was a great article. I happen to be attracted to mocha skin in general, though… so I love me some Latin and Indian girls too. : )
You Ever Wonder Why Some Asian Guys Have No Problems Dating White Girls?
Most of the Asian guys complaining here are AFRAID to flirt with women. Why? You might get rejected and get your feelings hurt? Boo Hoo, buddy…
Women can sniff out a wimp in a few seconds…so how are you smelling?
Swallow your pride, unlearn your bad habits and start surrounding yourself with Asian men who have skills..
===>http://www.AsianPimpStatus.com
I noticed they don’t say that black men have a fetish for white girls? I’m Half-Asian half white and people accuse ME of having an Asian fetish too lol wtf??
A lot of the ones accusing people of having Asian fetish are Asian guys. They feel in competition, so they spread garbage.
Are you kidding me? This long essay was written by a black guy who wants to play up Black male relationships with White and Asian women and rip on the others. I’m surprised that you can’t tell.
and people like you should be disected and used for scientific experiments. then and only then will you be worth anything.
Quit lying. We know you are an insecure Asian guy, not a hapa.
My Parents are asian and white and you know what, they are very much alike. They are both shy, quiet people who like to cook and garden. The only difference is that my Dad was a football player when he was younger and my Mom was into music.
I’m an Asian female happily married to a Caucasian male. All my exes had been Caucasian. I’ve had my share of crushes on Asian males but nothing ever worked out.
My take on this subject is that part of the the attraction includes cultural attitude. I find that many of the Asian males are raised a certain way, dress differently, etc. – in ways I find unattractive, like over-reliance on their parents, lack of a backbone or lack of independence. Many can do no wrong in their parents’ eyes.
Note to the writer – I’m not Korean and pretty well everyone Korean woman I’ve come across are psychotic or have mental issues. Both professionally and personally I’ve come across Korean women who are anorexic, suicidal, cut off their family for no apparent reason, over dramatic, etc. I’ve been noticing this more and more which prompted me Google this topic and led me to this article.
One honest person out of a whole bunch. This resonates as absolutely true. Society prefers lies though.
I am an Asian girl and I have liked and dated both asian and white guys.
ON AVERAGE–and this is a fact, this is not my personal preference or bias–Caucasian men are taller, stronger, and more masculine (body hair, more prominent features, stronger jawline) than Asian men. And women are attracted to masculinity and masculine features (just like men are attracted to feminine features)… it’s a process that largely operates on a subconscious level. So, ON AVERAGE, I find myself being more attracted more to white men, not because of race (there are many many Caucasian men who are my friends and whom I am NOT attracted to, and there are asian men who do possess the physical features and the kind of personality I like and whom I AM attracted to)
My current boyfriend is a Caucasian man. He is the kindest, funniest, and most understanding person that I have ever met, and we’re in love. He is six feet tall with blonde hair and blue eyes and EXTREMELY attractive, and I have had many Caucasian girls and Asian guys comment about us. Most days, I hear that he has an “Asian fetish” or something along those lines. But I don’t take their comments to heart, because ppl who say those things to be hurtful and mean obviously have their own insecurities and their own baggage, and that’s their problem. They don’t know him, and they don’t know me, so it astounds me that ppl can make those kinds of simplifying judgments from a million miles away. I have dated asian boys in the past, and the vast majority of the girls my boyfriend has dated in the past have been Caucasian.
I definitely agree that we should be able to discuss issues of race openly and without judgment. I have to admit that it really irritates me when people resort to stereotypes and absolutes… There are so many different people out there who can be perfect for you, whatever race/ethnicity they are. It’s sad that people close themselves off from those chances.
I agree that fetishes are creepy. But I have to ask, when a Caucasian male likes an Asian female, does it necessarily mean it’s a fetish? When an Asian male likes a Caucasian female, does it also mean it’s a fetish? And if the answer is no, then why does it make you angry whenever you see an Asian girl with a white boyfriend? How does their relationship affect you?
Hypocrite below said: [I definitely agree that we should be able to discuss issues of race openly and without judgment. I have to admit that it really irritates me when people resort to stereotypes and absolutes]
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…Then, the hypocrite proceeded to make all sorts of generalizations and stereotypes about White and Asian men.
You want honesty? Let’s get honest. Right now, yes, White males statistically on average are slightly taller, weigh more, and live in a consumer/entertainment society that is clearly more male-dominated/masculine. However, why not be honest and also admit that White women statistically on average have larger chests, more curves, more attractive butts, basically all the characteristics that Westerners define to be feminine or attractive for women?
Fact is, Asians in Asia and in America are indoctrinated into a Caucasian-centric standard of beauty, which is plastered all over TV, film, commercials, and malls (and this includes even in Asia).
re Asians Only Into Whites
This entire phenomenon is very simple: (1) White worship and self-loathing, and (2) Various Asian cultures are still ingrained with Confucian values which obsess over prestige, status, hierarchy, and brands. Look at how many Asians are obsessed with what college their kids get into, what car and clothing brands they buy, or starving themselves for months to save up for ridiculously overpriced hand bags. It’s no surprise why the best and most avid consumers of Euro fashion products are actually Asians, not Europeans. Same goes for diamonds or gold, shiny symbols of status and prestige, the biggest consumers of overpriced jewelry are Asians.
This directly plays into dating too, Asian people in Asia and America are brainwashed by media which globally is very Western/Caucasian-centric. In Asia the commercials, malls, ads, and movie theaters glorify Caucasian faces the vast majority of the time. It’s no surprise why eyelid surgery and nose ridge surgery, to emulate Caucasian looks, are the #1 surgery in Asia.
Think about how lucrative (and effective) the multi-billion dollar advertising industry is. Then think about how effective product placement is in TV shows and in movies. Entertainment is just as effective in ‘branding’ various males, just like product placement. Western media repeatedly ‘brands’ White males as the best, while simultaneously marginalizing Asian males or giving them outright racist or demeaning roles. Asian women (and other women) internalize this about White and Asian men. Many prestige-obsessed Asian women thus see dating White males (even extremely low quality ones) as a weird status trophy. Some (like Michelle Malkin) go so far as to say self-racist things, or denigrate their own people, for approval from certain supremacist White males. The Uncle Tom behavior is despicable.
White worship, self-loathing, obsession for status/prestige, and media-brainwashing help explain why you see so many Asian women in Asia, and in America, with low quality White males who anyone can see on any city sidewalk represent the bottom of the barrel, a combination of fat, old, ugly, bald, or extremely weird/awkward White males who oftentimes simultaneously harbor closet racist views toward Asian cultures and Asian males, while also harboring extremely negative, bitter (and sexist) views toward White women.
All I have to say is that…I’m Glad I’m not white or asian. Although I get hit on by white guys all the time, I like to stick to my own. I wouldn’t mind dating a filipino dude tho 😉
lol @ all the Asian men with low self-confidence and White guys with a jackass/douchebag complex trying to turn this into a racial issue
I think asian dating outside there race is fine and a norm in american society. The fact is there are various reason why people date outside there race and to be honest nothing is wrong with it. I myself am dating a viet girl for 3 1/2 years and i’m not asian, all though i have friends and family who are to which she says you resemble a mix of different ethnic personalities. Anyhow i think if you love someone or are interested in someone it shouldn’t matter what race you are. The only thing i can say i dislike about interracial couples is the misunderstanding parents who are not willing to open their eyes and see that there child is happy and that they should be happy for them no matter the ethnic background of their partner.
I’m an Asian female happily married to a Caucasian male. All my exes had been Caucasian. I’ve had my share of crushes on Asian males but nothing ever worked out.
I’m half white and half Filipina. Growing up, my mother tried to teach me these outdated colonial stereotypes, but it’s all just cr@p. She wanted me to believe that the whiter I was the better. I eventually learned to accept myself for what I am. My mother was very cruel and abusive and I often wondered as a child if that is how all filipino children are treated or if my mom was just a nutjob.
My father died a year after I was born. Had he lived and saw how my mother treated me I’m sure he would’ve regretted getting mixed up with a foreign woman. I often asked my father’s family what he was thinking when he married my mother and they are as baffled as I am. We’ll never know.
I am so screwed up now. I have a phobia of asian women. When I see them in public I just want to run away screaming. I’m seeing a psychologist about it.
Please guys, if you’re into asian ladies, get to know them before you make babies with them. I don’t think my father spent much time getting to know my mom before they married and as a result I suffered a lot.
re Sexist Stereotype
The sexist stereotype and White Knight media is so false. Asian cultures aren’t hindered by Christian/Jewish religions like White males are, which state that women were to blame in Genesis, that they are 2nd class and should serve/obey men, and that women belong only in the kitchen. In 1950?s America men controlled the money and only gave wives small allowances and limited opportunities. This is completely different from “traditional” Asian philosophies. In Confucian cultures women run the families, which includes control of all the money. This is why all across East Asia the commercials, TV, and movies are so cutesy, pink, and feminine – women are the dominant consumers in Asia, as opposed to America which is male-dominated and has media that caters to men with constant violence, sex, and casual relationships. In major East Asian cities (like in China), it’s actually the husbands who do most of the cooking, house cleaning, and child rearing (think about dating supply and demand). East Asian women never change their maiden names in Asia after marriage, in America women need to change their names (and also identities) after marriage. Kids in America generally need their father’s approval for who they marry, in Asia it’s the opposite. China has a higher % of women in politics, compared to the % of female US Congresswomen or US Senators. China has 7 female billionaires, which already make up half of all the entire world’s female billionaires, even though China is still poor and their economy is only 1/5 that of America.
You can only hide the truth for so long – people are beginning to realize that Western media, especially as it pertains to Asian men, is extremely racist/distorted and is designed to help White males who are extremely insecure and extremely supremacist/territorial.
mixed mutt beauty myth is exactly that. a myth and false. ask any mix. they dont wanna be mutt.
why do they call caucasians white? they are more pink or beige or hairy freckled.
look at a milky white asian. now that’s white!!!!
Decent article. Being an Asian male who grew up in California then New York city for my final high school and college years I saw first hand the phenomenon that is Yellow Fever. Not only amongst white males, but also amongst black males. It seems Asian girls/women were like yellow skinned angels from heaven. Their hyper-femininity, their perceived subservient submissive nature that played into their ego and fetishes oh so perfectly. Coupled with said Asian females abhorrence of her own culture, history and language, her most obvious self loathing of her parents generation and values, and add to that the non-stop bombardment and subconscious messages from TV and movies (joy luck club , suzy wong, lucy liu etc) that for an Asian-American female to be truly American, she has to date white American. I can see that the next generation of kids in America will be largely mixed race and that in time the majority of Asian women will marry non-Asian males. So it will no longer be some cute little demographic , it will be the said norm.
So as an Asian male what can I do? Absolutely nothing. Do I care? Not anymore. It took me a long time since finishing college and recently my masters, but I just don’t care about it. There is nothing one can do to reverse those long years of cultural self-harm and erosion. Those deep seated psychological problems with so called “emotionally empty fathers and manipulative mothers”, that inherent identity crisis that seems to inflict so many young Asian women. For me growing up it was completely different for my sister. My grandfather instilled me a deep respect, tradition and reverence for my Chinese culture and heritage. My grandfather who came to the US in the 50s always told me in my teens “No matter what happens, no matter how much you may not like it – you will always be Chinese, it is your mother tongue and you will always have Chinese blood in you”. Looking back i guess he saw in me the desire to be more American (from the accent, to the baseball and basketball obsession, to my first blonde blue eyed gf). That semester I spent at Peking University was an amazing experience. Imagine saying that to a Chinese girl.
End of that day, I found you can’t change much by jumping up and down and whining. If white guys (who seem to ignore the empirical fact that in America white girls are hotter anyway) want to go for Asian girls and have some sort of yellow fever (or as the author tries to justify it , just some lovely crush on Asian women and culture) , then so be it. Go for it. Heck, why not move to Hong Kong and then you can well and truly immerse yourself into Asian culture and women. As for Asian guys, talk to that cute blonde blue eyed girl in the campus cafe or in your Business ethics class. You’d never know what may happen. I did, and I don’t regret those two years I had with my college gf. Looking at myself now, I’ve actually dated more non-Asian girls, than Asian girls. I’ve even dated a Russian girl, a Brazilian, a Swedish girl and a French one. I’ll be a little honest, I’m actually a little proud of that fact.
why would an asian chick want a hairy smelly fat bald or skinny lanky dorky white dude is beyond me. do they have no shame?
maybe they are desperate or have low intelligence or standards or morals. maybe they are social rejects perfect for each other. rejects of their own race. they are perfect together and should jump off a cliff together.
ONLY A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF ASIAN MEN HAVE NO PROBLEMS DATING OUTSIDE OF THEIR RACE..YOU KNOW WHY??
They’re not whining babies like a lot of the “men” on this post.
Asian guys need to surround themselves and learn from other Asian men who “get it”
Where can you find these guys?
==> http://www.AsianPimpStatus.com
I think you still sound pretty bitter. You say you don’t care when white men date Asian women, but you make passive aggressive and insulting generalizations about Asian women who choose to date White men and the white men who choose to date Asian women.
I’m very against ethnic fetishism, but why would you conclude that white men with Asian women have fetishized them?
Date whomever you wish and quit worrying about what others think.
i hope your joking. What you are saying is so preposterous and
old-fashioned that i am thinking… this MUST be sarcasm… right!?
no race is superior.
The above was to address you “blackaids” .
below is to address the rest of the board.)
No one person is necessarily better than another(not even talking about race here), we
as humans need to get rid of “wow, that person is a loser, or less than us” mentality.
just because a caucasian person wants an Asian person
doesn’t mean he is a loser (even if he is old- okay?)
and at the same time- sometimes maybe it is easier for a Caucasian guy to get an Asian girl,
just because an asian girl is with a Caucasian person doesn’t
mean she just wants him for his status or money.
-sometimes this rings true
THE POINT IS, there is no white and black.
a lot of discussion wants to find a “reason” for something.
it can be easier or more satisfying to find that one thing that dominates the reason why asian goes for whites or white goes for asians. blah blah blah blah. it’s interesting, but don’t take it too far that you think in absolutes.
oh, and this is to address my pet-peeve:
i honestly think “Asian” is way too broad. I said asian in the above paragraph, because this is mainly the way the board is addressing it that way- replying in the same context that the board is discussing.
but let me clarify, asian and american-asians are two different categories.
They act different.
And Chinese girls, Vietnamese girls, Thai Girls, Malaysian girls, Japanese girls, Korean girls,Taiwanese girls, other South Asian girls, and American born-asian (not too be general, just don’t want to be repetitive) act differently also. If you have a lot of friends from these places, you will realize they can not be categorize under a simple “Asian” (and fuck, obviously everybody can be different even under their race-right? but here i’m talking more of how they respond to things and how they act due to influence of culture ).
I hope it just gets pounded into your head that yes, there is an overall characteristic for each race, often stemming from their culture. So maybe a person of another race likes that trait- or characteristic and that’s fine.
but obviously, nothing is black and white, so don’t go freaking assuming.
A lot of what people are assuming, a lot of it is true about certain groups of people within a race, or within a group of people, but not the whole freakin’ race. And Asian is not a race.
to quote from a blogger “”Asian” is just a geographical term…..”
you are certainly disgusting.I’m an “asian” woman, and you speak of you being truly one with your culture, but you have so much internalized oppression you don’t even know it. Don’t try to justify it just because you have all of those degrees. if you were truly an educated asian you would know the context of the word. From the middle east to east asia that has been categorized as “asian”. it’s all a generalization. how can you put people who are so different into one category!? i’m outraged, but you, you’re not because you don’t understand. and when you refer to “american” you should know they aren’t refering to you, but to white people.
Yeah right, reading a lot of the comments I really think a lot of them are written by bitter people, like the anonymous “asian female” writing repeatedly how she prefers white males. Very doubtful she is asian, as if I would say this it would definitely feel degrading. Asian is a very broad term, here in the UK asian it means Indian and Pakistani. Most of the wm/af relationships here involves a lot of Filipinas and Thais, and I suspect it’s more about getting a UK lifestyle than anything else. I don’t know a lot of Chinese friends who would marry a white guy and most of my friends are with Chinese guys, although I do know a few dating whites. Everyone to their own, why should people over-analyze this or turn it into something of who is more superior? People who do this are very insecure themselves and it shows by spending so much time behind the computer. Why not move to sites like stormfront, where the daily rants of white blokes screaming how all “their” white females are being taken over by blacks are very common and just plain pathetic. It’s obvious the world is shifting from white euro-centric to a more non-white one, and this trend is only going to speed up in the future. What will happen if whites are going to be a tiny minority and have to do more of the least qualified jobs in the future? Tbh, I won’t feel any pity and whites who are bitter about it should look at themselves. They had a good time enjoying themselves on the backs of abusing others, so having a more mixed world as a result is only a logical consequence. I know some will comment on this endlessly, but I’m not going to waste time replying back. I’m now off enjoying going out:))
You are a racist idiot.
lol the funny thing about asian girls they believe everything LMAO im a 21 yo guy from australia i have alot of relationships with girls but i never seen cheaper then an asian girl no offence but thats what happening in here.i see alot at clubs wearing that hot clothes that doesnt suit them and act like how a sexy none-asian girl would act anyways in 25 minutes they give me there number and address after an hour i will be at there bed fucking them how easy and cheap and i know alot of my mates they uses them for there money and house and sex so most comments i have heard about a why would a white guy date an asian girl
1.easy to hook up with
2.they give you anything
3.they do whatever we want
4.if they find out that we cheating on them they will keep there mouth shut scared that we will leave them
lol no way my wife gonna be an asian or my actuall girlfriend the girl i wanna go out with have to be sexy and to be proud walking with her.
lol yellow bitchs are the cheapest and the ugliest NO OFFNECE!!!! LMAO XD and if u dnt believe me ask any guy and they will say the same……oh look at those sexy girls at the beach with tanned and white skin big boobs and big asses yummmm not yellow skin with flat chest and flat ass i cant fuck an asian girl probley and the time fuckin move so slow while im fucking her i just want time 2 finish so i can go vomit haha
Listen, chief. I’m what you would call a “white” guy and I’m 6’2″, pretty athletic, and my junk is of rather large proportions by any race’s standards. I’ve been in the game for a long time. As an equal opportunity ass-tapper, I’ve banged lots of white girls, a black girl, an Indian girl, a Persian girl, a couple Hispanic girls, and even a f-ing Eskimo girl. Pretty much hit for the cycle. About 5 years ago, I met an girl who was of Chinese descent but grew up in the US (call her “Susie”) and at first I considered her another slam piece and took her straight to Pound Town. After a couple turns in the sack (and she was very good in bed) I went back to scoring other tail, mostly white girls.
Fast forward a year or two and I randomly ran into “Susie” again and she was looking pretty hot. Needless to say, a few drinks later she was back in my bed. Thinking this seemed too strange to be coincidence, I decided to give dating her a shot. She ended up having the most amazing personality of any girl I had ever met and we were pretty much a perfect match. Now I am engaged to her, and while I never thought I’d end up with “Jon and Kate” kids, I’m fine with it now.
Of course over the years we’ve been dating, there have been other girls that have shown interest in me, and if I weren’t with “Susie,” I would have thrown them some D in a New York minute. Most of them were white, some were black, some were Hispanic, some were Asian. Like I said, equal opportunity, but if I were single again, there’s no doubt I’d be tapping mostly white girls.
Now I know some guys like you, Jay, who mostly into Asian girls. I think it’s a little weird, but I’m fine with it. My fiance is a little creeped out by guys like that, which I find ironic considering she has only dated white (and a couple black) guys. I actually take offense when someone mistakes me for an Asian fetishist, or whatever you want to be called. People have on several occasions made comments like, “So you’re attracted to that kind of girls, are you?” Usually this causes my fist to be attracted to that person’s face. No, a-hole, just because I’ve dated ONE Asian girl and happened to get engaged to her doesn’t mean I’m “into that kind of girl.”
Anyway, my point is: don’t be racist, people. Bang whoever the hell you want and let others bang who they want. Out.
Why do you bang girls you find unattractive? Also, learn to spell, idiot. You’re an embarrassment to the human race.
Oh, I forgot to address the bitter Asian guys who have posted in this article. My general response to you is:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! We’re banging your girls and there’s ABSOLUTELY NOTHING you can do about it!
Listen, morons, the reason you can’t score tail is not because white guys are taking your girls. It’s because you, not Asian guys in general but YOU SPECIFICALLY, are unattractive to women, not Asian women but ALL WOMEN. Stop making excuses. I cracked up at the guy who said pretty much, “Waaah waaaah I’m moving back to Shanghai because no girls like me in the US. Waaah waahh!” I haven’t seen such a pathetic “taking my ball and going home” loser since I played T-ball.
Wake the F up. Not all Asian guys have this problem.
Exhibit A: In college one year I lived in a house where a lot of guys in the Asian frat lived. Some nights when I’d come back from parties they’d be there hanging out with some extremely hot Asian girls who they were definitely banging. I would do some shots with them and hang out for a little bit before crashing. Good guys. They had no problem getting girls.
Exhibit B: A buddy of mine is of Chinese descent. He is currently dating an incredibly hot blonde chick (seriously, she’s about a 9) and he has dated other very hot white and Asian girls in the past. The difference between him and you was that he is not a wimp and has confidence.
I’ve seen the dorkiest, most unattractive Asian guys walking around with SMOKING HOT Asian slam pieces. I don’t know how, maybe they’re rich or something. Even the little turd who sits next to me in my office is dating an Asian woman (to be fair, she’s ugly). He’s white, but he’s also 45 years old, fat, bald, 5’6″, dorky, annoying, and strikingly ugly. He basically has no redeeming qualities at all. If you can’t outplay guys like that, you have a serious problem.
Anyway, when I’m doing unspeakable things in bed to my hot Asian fiance tonight, I’m going to think of all you whiny little babies crying about not getting ass. That’s going to be great.
In short though, my advice to you is to stop crying or work on your game. If that doesn’t work, maybe you should head to San Francisco and look for c0ck instead. Oh yeah and stop being racist. It makes you look like an ignorant idiot on top of already being a whiny little wimp.
sure but they still look weird. look at the picture for this article. perfect example. pretty much a 3 or 4 out of 10 to anyone.
Wow, what a catch you are. So modest and charming, and with such high respect for women. “Susie” (aka your left hand) is so lucky.
I’m Asian and I also believe that Asian guys are a bunch of whining pussies.
The guys who blame the media or racism on their pathetic dating situations have NO GAME. Simple as that.
I would suggest for you to find and hang out with Asian guys who just “get it”.
Where is a good place to start? ==>Asian Pimp Status
I just wanted to say something to the Asian guys because I think there’s a misconception going on. Many posters here have placed the blame on Asian men for not being successful with white women. This puts unecessary guilt and blame on Asian men, when it may not be their fault. In my instance, as a white woman, I only date white men to preserve my genetic and cultural heritage. (People may think that’s a pathetic excuse, and they’re entitled to their opinion, but it’s a reason nonetheless).
So. Anyway, I just wanted to say that I don’t find Asian men unattractive or somehow lacking in their ‘game’. I think they’re cute, have great personalities and are very smart, not to mention honest, sincere, trustworthy and responsible. A great match, BUT – whites are a minority and heritage is important to white women especially. So Asian guys, don’t beat yourselves up over this, many white females have a positive opinion of you, but we don’t mix for personal reasons. If it makes you frustrated, please don’t obsess over it but instead try to date other non-asian races.
My Asian brothers need to start screwing white chicks.
Where is a good place to get their start?
==> 5 Asian Alpha Traits
Well I am a Russian man and I am offended that you have dated a Russian woman. Do you have Russian Fever, Comrade?
Now…think for a long minute…
Doesn’t that sound just ridiculously stupid? Well, you just said the same thing in your post.
People: date who you want and enjoy life. I am personally a caucasian American. Heinz 57 if you prefer. I have a multi-cultural background that is rooted in Europe. My wife is of multi-asian ethnicity. I respect her as I would any other woman. I see her as a highly intelligent, educated, well spoken WOMAN. First and foremost, she is my soulmate. This is the US…it is not perfect, but it is a melting pot and will continue to be for generations to come.
You are an embarrassment to you grandfather.
interesting how you blast people for being insecure and racist and then you go on to make insecure racist comments yourself. Not the brightest kid in class r ya!?
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I’m a mixed black n white 20 yr old man. I date a Asian girl and I could care less of what people think. At first i felt out of place when we would go out in public. We catch a lot of eyes, from all races. But it doesn’t even bother us anymore. We are happy together and regardless of what other people think, we are expecting a baby. So as far as I’m concerned people that are so worried about race are stuck in the past. This is 2010 and everybody is dating everybody. If you ask me nobody will be dating their own race in about 20 years. The world is changing and a lot of things Americans would consider taboo is really not.
Hey,
When you mean date, was sex involved? Be honest! Also, why could you not keep them? How did they perceive your male race, b4 and after their exp w/ you! Again be Honest!
Some who cares here 🙂
Right on man, to hell with the racists. Let’s get past this bullshit already.
Sure, the girl in the picture is ugly, but if you look like that guy you have to take what you can get. Asian girls can be 9s or 10s just like any race, you racist. Give me a hot girl of any ethnicity and I’ll bang her.
Blah blah blah shut up you racist. Me (white guy) banging Asian girls is not about white supremacy, it’s about scoring tail. Go back to your Asian KKK meetings.
I’ve dated mostly white and asian girls. Yep guys get the bad rap, but who fuckin’ cares what they think? Do you live your life for you, or for other people?
I wasn’t into Asian girls until I was 25 and had a 1/2 Japanese, 1/2 polish american girlfriend. Our sexual chemistry was amazing, and her light brown eyes are still to be matched by any woman of any ethnicity. It was not the “look” of her, but the entire experience of her, especially her Japanese cultural side that turned me on to Asian women more. And I have to say, I’ve dated more Japanese women after her than other types of Asian.
Here in North America – it all comes down to this “girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice, and boys are made of worms and shit and etc.” Or however that old fairly tale goes. Guess what? It’s wrong. Girls are the ones who learn the love game early on, manipulate men with sex to get what they want – whether white, Asian or otherwise.
It’s a double standard, Asian girls that only date white guys aren’t ostracized, but guys who date more than one Asian girl but still a variety of women are? Look at the ratios it makes no sense. It’s all conjured up by judgemental women. Cause guess what – guys could give a fuck if another guy’s into Asian women, it’s all the women playing petty games and jealous.
Though I will say that country girls are much nicer than city girls with this. I grew up in Colorado and now live in NYC, and women are pretty tough here, especially if they’ve lived here for awhile and move here from other places. Guess what, it’s all bullshit and all how you create it.
I won’t stop dating Asian
White women are too boring and not attracted to them for years. I am attracted to chinese women because I want a lady who have morals and modesty but not slutty or crazy bitch. Every race have slutty types of women but I am not being sexist but its common sense. If I see the white girls always talking about sex stories instead of marrieges but thats just them. I don’t like girls who talk about sex too much in the public thats lame. I have seen a lot of asian women I am attracted to whom have respect for themselves. An arab guy lough at me for liking asian girls but he found out his white wife cheat on him by sleeping with the african gardener but she run away to europe, hahaha!.Too much white is too boring for me, give me a break blonde girl your not too attractive but your skinny bony girl but no offensive. You don’t need to be too slutty to get respect but thats the other way.
well as a woman, and asian, and recently married to a white guy, i find this shit nonsense. it’s not a big deal if people care what race your dating. all races are beautiful in their own sense, i never looked at my husband and said wow you have amazing white features i think i’ll marry you. lol, i’m adopted into a white family and my sis is half white so i’m def white on the inside, but i love my heritage. no one gives him crap or makes a deal about it. well, mabie his extended mormon family, but who the fuck cares. i get you guys are trying to talk about your hardships with having others get why date certain people, but don’t talk about this to your gf’s if you can try. walk tall, and be proud you’ve got nothing explain yourself for.
I am a white male, been married to a Chinese Woman 25 years. I don’t know when it happened, but I stopped thinking of her as Asian or Chinese woman years ago, she is just my wife. If something happened to my wife and I was looking for some one special again, I think being a native speaker would be more important than the race. Often people that use a secondary language don’t really communicate properly with the native speakers — the heart to heart communication is often missing, too many things must be explained twice, three times, too many misunderstandings… so that’s my experience, an Asian woman is OK, but English needs to be their number one language, or I would worry about the communication. I don’t think I would risk marrying someone with a limited vocabulary again — chances are it will never expand to an acceptable level, and their are a lot of nuiances in language that can’t be translated.
i feel sorry for ugly asian guys. i’m a good looking asian and even i can run into challenges within and out of my race. good thing i’m tall and handsome. what does tick me off is an asian slut would rather choose some skinny pale lanky that does not compliment her at all. it just looks weird and screams attention whore.
I am a white 23 year old female. I have now been with my boyfriend for 4 years but there is something i just dont get. Before me he went out with a japanese girl who was 3 years older then him. From what he has told me she was his world (he was 17 when they started going out), he would anything and everything for her as he was that worryed she would leave him. As in always made sure he had money (because she liked it), give her massages, certin sexual things, complenint her(he has told several times how she was soooo hot bla bla bla), take her out to dinners, got ingaged to her, took her places, buy her birthday gifts, do the annaversary thing. He told me that the only reason he went for a white chick after her is that he didnt want to feel like he was trying to replace her but if we broke up he would go for another japanese girl. He treated her like an angel and said its because asian girls have more/higher expectations and needs then white girls. He dosnt do any of this for me and still says its because of his ex and because he isnt affrad of loosing me. But the thing is i am a female too i have feeling and feel i should be treated as if he dosnt want too lose me if he loves me as much as he says he does. I feel inadiquit compared to his ex. If he continues to act like he dont care if i leave it will take its toll on me even more then it is now. Why would i guy do this to someone he says he loves so much expecually 6 years after his ex. Why dont white males treat white and asian girls the same or is he just not over her. It makes me feel like i hate asians but i know i dont, my best mates are asians.
http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2010/01/fetishize-asian-women.html
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Yeah! That’s what I always wondered!! I came back home for summer after studying in the States, and God, Korean girls are WHITE. People stare at me everywhere I go because I’m too tan – I don’t look Korean lol.
Thank you for the reply. Yes it is most certinly unfair and has/is doing alot of damage to me as a female who is now hugly insucure and down on myself. 1 Thing i forgot to say is that i found out 3 weeks ago im 4 months pregenant to my boyfriend. I dont know what to do i love him and justwant him to treat me like im his world.
Leave him. Period.
It’s not just about his thing for Asian women. Anyone who always compares his/her current lover SHOULD be told NOT TO, bash in the head a bit, and then be left permanently. It’s not polite. It’s improper, unfair and cruel.
Oh, by the way, I’m an Indonesian.
You should treat all girls in a good way and not hurt any of them its not just asian girls that shouldnt be hurt or loved deeply. And us white girls dont need to be reminded that we are bigger and stronger you think we like this fact? We are women too we may not have your figure but we have feeling. Just remember this!!!!!
From my expereance white men who have an asian girl treat them better then they treat there white girlfriends and i think this is part of the reason for the hate towards it. I dont hate it but i wish my boyfriend would be as kind to me as he was for his asian ex. I mean she even cheated on him a heap and he still treated her like a queen yet i have never and would never do such a thing and yet she got treated better. I dont get why?
what an agagent male ass hole. SO we maybe bigger but we have feelings and a personality 2. But you wouldnt care as your a jerk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most white people work hard to get money no not to be rich but just to get by, me myself i dont even have enough money to buy new clothing or make up etc. I dont think that i am pretty but i am a white person, i dont think it is fair to make such a clam when i know alot of white men think that asian women are more attractive then white women. I think that there are pretty women in all cultures and the natural look is not appreceated as much these days because of all the make up which you all most expect a women to be wearing.
Well I’ve always wanted to date a white guy but I can’t get one. I’m registered on all top dating sites I found and it’s not working….
Very well thought out and written. I’m a 49 year old white male. I’m considered very attractive to women. I’ve known for a long time that asian women in particular found me attractive. I dated a Korean women for a short time some years back but never fully realized how attracted I was to asian women. I think it was either a lack of confidence with them or just plain hiding from myself. Recently I dated a Phillipino woman for nearly 2 years. While we didn’t have enough in common (I completely agree with the poster who talked about the language barrior) out of that I finally accepted my preference for asian women. It extends to Indian, hispanic, middle eastern, Italian and black women. What it boils down to for me are dark hair, dark eyes, brown skin. Asian women are the most attractive to me for reasons I can’t fully articulate. In this I find common ground with the author. None of this means I couldn’t or wouldn’t date then marry a white woman. It’s the individual that matters. Having preferences isn’t bad. It just means you know yourself better. As the author stated, having a preference for asian women isn’t allot different than having a preference for women. I’d take it a step further and say that I like boobs. If asked why (and believe me I’ve asked myself that) I could not explain it. Boobs, or mammary glands, can easily be described clinically. Why we heterosexual men are so enamored with them can only be speculated on…regardless from what field of study the question is pondered.
Be open to whatever comes, whether a potential mate or other. There is no shame in understanding that you have preferences, and knowing what those are.
im 25 yr old white guy i have dated middle eastern womens indians but i will never date an asian women that come from china,korea,japan,tiwain,thai,singapore,and the other countries asian womens r disgusting they fukn ugly with there wierd eyes and nose and body they dont look like a lady with flat chest and falt ass i only date arabic aldies cuz they so sexy and indians sometimes not always tho…..
good job. carry on…
I think Jackson Rathbone from the last airbender is asian and same with Nicola pelts because they really look asian to me, plus they played native american character. Also, Justin Chatwin is asian I believe.
I second that 🙁
The sad thing is that well…. it is.
Regardless of ones game, In Western society, white is the best
dude you are the man!!!
Lol
Dr. Cracker-Whiteboy will soon present his ground-breaking research on how certain Asian-Americans target and belittle certain white American males who appear to appreciate Asian females.
Also, if you only dated Asian women, and then married an Asian woman, I would take that as a sign of KNOWING WHAT YOU WANT, rather than just f*cking whatever you saw at the bar in an evening. Sure, some persons are attracted to Asian women for creepy reasons, but still, others are attracted to them for very good/aesthetic reasons/characteristics, such as: Intelligence, kind/caring/understanding attitude, sincerity, integrity, cleanliness/care about how they present themselves, and so on … American society/culture/media is still highly confused and all-around un-accepting regarding the race thing, as many of the attitudes towards different-race relationships reveal.
Rico Suave:”I’ve f*cked every race on earth, so believe me, I’m not racist.”
It’s no wonder that Americans are considered sluts-of-the-world. I suppose if you just slept with “Susie-Asian” and then got married, you’d be considered someone who couldnt “do any better”? Such is the wonderful logic of modern American media/society.
I think he is an immature a* hole!
First thing of, one doesn’t talk about X’s and in particular brag how DAMN HOT he/she was!
Regards from a 37yr guy
I read the whole thing and i grasped a pretty clear understanding of where you’re coming from and what you’re trying to present about your views on dating asians. I don’t know if responding to this is too late or not. I’m a Chinese girl and I live with a white stepdad and my mom and a half sister, this forces me to speak english as pretty much the only language. Also, I’m the only asian girl in my whole school(From elementary to High) and I’ve only been with white guys. Opposite to the stereotypes, I truly am simply more attracted to a white man’s physical features. And after all, the physical attraction is the initial attraction in any relationship. Don’t you agree? And that’s what you focused on in you entire article. You emphasized its the looks that start it off with you and then the personality of a specific asian is what gets you hooked. Same here. I’ve never had experience with asian guys and therefore it’d be odd to be with an asian guy.
Hey idiot. I’m a hot Asian chick with a size 36C – all natural, babe. Not all Asian are flat chested nor cheap. You’re a looser for using women in general, jerk. Go f**k a gay guy or yourself for that matter. Show some respect, immature, illiterate jerk.
You are hilarious!! I loved your well-written comment. So typical of a guy. You’re great. Love your wit. …I’m a hot Asian girl BTW.
I can tell you are very educated by your spelling, grammar and racial stereotypes 🙂
As a mixed asian girl (filipino/white) I find nothing wrong with interracial relationships. After all I wouldn’t exist without them. However, I do think its stupid when people only date a person because they’re asian, latina, etc. People should not limit their dating options to race, but should focus on the individual.
I can honestly say I am open to dating guys of all ethnicities. There are attractive men in each of them. Personally, I have found myself to be more drawn to asian and black men, but if a white or latino man came along that I found attractive I’d totally date them. My current boyfriend is filipino, and I’m with him because I felt a connection with him, not because he’s asian.
Although I understand people have preferences, I still think people should be open when it comes to dating because you never know who might draw you in. You never know…
I am white, 29, and in love with a beautiful, caring girl from Taiwan. To her family ,I may be the “white guy”. To my family, she may be the “Asian girl”. But to each other, we are “Baobei”. I have never been happier in my whole life, and plan on marrying this wonderful person.
All these discussions are meaningless. Find a person you like, regardless of race, and follow your heart. Let the haters hate. They probably sleep alone at night, or with a different person every weekend. Those who are really in love will understand what I am saying. Peace y’all.
I would like to read more of your blogs and to share my thoughts with you
you are a sexist/racist moron.
I’m a White male in his mid. 20’s and I’m not into Asian women simply because they do not look like me. That may sound racist, but I’m not a racist since I got friends of all backgrounds and colors. What it boils down to for me is her facial looks – the more she looks like me (well roughly at least) in terms of e.g. eye-shape and nose (high bridge and tall) and also perhaps hair color, the more attracted to her I am. Now there are beautiful women in all races, but I’m really only physically attracted to Caucasian and to a certain extent some Hispanic women. Facial characteristics are important in order for me to be attracted to a woman.
I wish you all best of luck in finding your special one out there!
I recently came across your blog and have been reading along.
I want to express my admiration of your writing skill and ability to make reader to read the while thing to the end
I am a Chinese male of 18 years. I am generally interested in women of most cultures but I do not believe in mixed marriage. I am very proud of being Chinese and I would like my descendants to be of the same blood and race as their ancestors. Whenever I see a mixed couple I feel both angry and sad. I believe if any one individual truly loves or respects his/her ethnicity he/her would only marry a person of his/her ethnicity. Marriage is a contract of love and blood. I know that many people would criticize my beliefs, but this is how I believe the world should be.
I’m 24 years old Chinese, of all the women i dated and slept with and had a relationship with, i tried to motivate her and encourage her about the superiority of the Chinese, that’s right, even white and black girls. I know in their mind, they don’t like the Chinese and see their economic boom. HOwever, I’m too proud of the fact that I’m Chinese and would not assimilate myself to bow down to White folks and i hate the fact that Italians and Jewish say they are not White, bullshit, they are White. So yeah, of all the white girls i dated, they think I’m too offensive toward their culture, help me, i’m an asian kid who grew up in the West but I have a lot of Chinese pride, i mean take a look at the Italians, they are some of the tough motherfuckers outthere especially the Italian-Americans/Canadians. For me, my pride gets me to places, it’s called confidence and yeah I found some Asians and Asian-Canadians/Chinese lack confidence
I am an Asian girl and I was pursued like mad by a white guy. Once we started going out, he was turned off by how UN-submissive I was. He had told me about his exes before, and I got the idea that they were all submissive and frigid. I’m not. He didn’t like it, and quickly moved on. So.
Honey – That was not a real man. A real man does not need a submissive woman who caters to his every whim. A real man does not need to be the be all, end all to a woman. This guy is a total pussy as our most of the men today. The men today do not pursue, they do not want to pursue.They just want to sit back and watch women fight over them. They think they are the ultimate prize, which they are not. Women have ultimately ruined and spoiled men into this behaviour. It is our own fault. This is why you have men who date 10 women at a time and laugh at it.
People this is just how life works plain and simple. Yes there are many different cultures and races out there but your missing the main point. We are all human!!! When it comes down to the basics we’re all pretty much the same, sure there’s thin, fat, tall, short, black, white, etc.. but that’s just variety, things would be rather boring if we were all the same. You are attracted to whom you’re attracted to because that’s how you’re programmed, it’s the human condition. We’re designed to pair off, I mean come on we evolved from pack animals. Sure you might be a white guy attracted to Asian women or you might only be attracted to people of the same ethnicity as you, the truth is it dosn’t matter. If people have pre-conceptions of you based purely on who you are and not what you’re like as a person then that’s their problem and they shouldn’t be worth bothering about. Isn’t life about being happy, isn’t the main purpose to enjoy oneself as best we can and love your fellow man regardless of colour, creed or sex. After all we’re only here once. So just take care of yourself make the most of what you’ve got and if you’re lucky enough to find a partner you adore then take care of them too. Keep smiling world. 😉
People, since I’ve posted on this piece of writing 3 months ago I see you are all getting very petulant, hyper-aggressive and somewhat offensive to one another. Where is the love?
I’ve lived in Hong Kong for the last 3 months starting my new job (same American firm) , and honestly its been amazing. I spent 2 years in Singapore during my teens and 3 months on exchange in Beijing but this is easily the most eye opening experience. There is so much happening in this city, its very dynamic and changing every day.
And as for women, I’ve found myself a lovely Hong Kong girl who went to high school and university in Australia and did her masters in the US (Stanford). She is amazing, she is incredibly pretty, tall, beautiful porcelain fair skin and very very fun to be with. She is everything any man could ask for. I don’t want to compare her with my college ex (tall brunette cheerleader), or my other exes (American-Cambodian, Russian, Brazillian, Cuban/Venezuelan) as they are all different, but I think this girl is the one.
So I say to Asian-American men, don’t lose hope. There are Asian girls who aren’t whitewashed, who don’t have the white knight syndrome. The only fallback? They don’t live in AMERICA! They haven’t had the mainstream American media and culture jammed down their throats. They don’t hate their own culture and history – but in fact embrace it! (i guess if you are Korean you could try Seoul, i hear from my classmates that great things are happening there) Of course, if you still live stateside, then all I can say is keep trying, and like i said last time, don’t confine yourself to other Asian-American girls. Give other girls a try for god’s sake. Because honestly, i’m a little over Asian-American women. Good luck all.
Ha-ha-ha!!! Some of the comments posted in reply to this article are rediculous. Firstly WOW, pretty much most of the world is racist then, apparently we all hate each other for looking different, it’s pathetic. Some of you try to pretend to YOURSELFS that you’re not by coining phrases like “preserving cultural heritage.” People please, surely you understand the world is smaller now and culture adapts to this so why can’t you?
I applaude anyone who is willing to date someone of a different colour or culture at least it shows they wont let something as trivial as race step in the way of love.
it’s all just about love, never let language be a barrier for us to find true love, world!
What nonsense. As a Chinese American woman of the HK variety who has plenty of mainland China female friends, I know plenty of Chinese ladies who lack morals and modesty that you so desire. In case you don’t know, having mistresses (er-lai “second wife”) is a huge phenomenon in mainland China. A Chinese woman is just as capable of running off with perceived better somebody and dump you just as any woman would. Lots of Asians in western countries have the tendency to be better educated (which allow them to immigrate here in the first place) and more financially secured so that they don’t need to whore themselves out. But really, as a whole, Asians aren’t more faithful than any other races.
As an Asian guy, I find white girls hideous. They’re fat, ugly, loud and generally stupid. I was once with one and close-up she was hairy like a monkey
white people are dirty monkeys
Really… do you need some knee pads Ron.. because I thought it was the other way around. Seriously, you guys always say the same s#*t when it comes to rebuttals or replying to ASIAN websites or boards. “before you can establish that the feeling is mutual and the mix of personality, shared interests, goals, ambitions and all the other commonalities are enough to create any kind of chemistry” blah, blah, blah
I mean, if the roles were reversed I guess I would do the same thing.. well maybe… I think I would be more original. Yep.. I would. Still you guys make me laugh and the worst part about this is that some of my Asian sister obsorb this bullcrap like sponges. Then the next thing you hear is that the white stuffs the Asian girl in to the Wall locker after he chokes her to death.
And to you my Asian brothers. Stop whining or posting negative shit to these articles. You are the one’s who are creating a barrier amongst our fellow sisters.
Yes, my Asian sisters… you are the most beautiful women in the world. I would die in battle for anyone of you. And there is nothing wrong with interracial marriages, BUT there is nothing wrong marrying your own kind either.
so is your mum.
It’s okay my friend don’t be so angry you’ll lose your virginity at some point. YOUR ASS VIRGINITY!!!!
OK I AM A WHITE MALE, I MODEL AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I LOOOOOVVVVE MY WHITE WOMAN!!! I AM OVER THIS WHOLE ASAIN WOMAN ONLY DATING WHITE MALE’S , AND I HAVE NOTICED ALOT OF THEM TRY AND DYE THEIR HAIR BLOND AND GET SURGERY ON THEIR EYE’S TO TRY AND LOOK WHITE, ITS JUST SAD AND PATHETIC!!! ALL MY WHITE MODEL GUY FRIENDS ONLY LIKE WHITE WOMAN, WE LIVE IN ORANGECOUNTY AND WHENEVER WE GO OUT TO BARS EVEN WHEN I BRING MY WHITE GIRLFRIEND, ASAIN GIRLS ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO HIT ON US, ALREADY EXPECTING US TO LIKE THEM CAUSE THEY ARE ASAIN, I AM SORRY TO BREAK THIS TO THE ASAIN WOMAN OUT THERE, BUT NOT ALL WHITE MALE’S LIKE ASAIN WOMAN!!!!! ASAIN WOMAN HAVE EVEN COME UP TO ME WHILE I AM SITTING WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND HIT ON ME, ITS JUST PATHETIC, WHEN I DONT SHOW INTEREST AT ALL, THEY GO AFTER MY FRIENDS, AND MY FRIENDS DONT LIKE ASAIN GIRLS EITHER!!! SO I CREATED THIS ACCOUNT CAUSE I WANT TO MAKE IT KNOWN THAT NOT ALL WHITE GUYS LIKE ASAIN WOMAN, ALOT, ALOT OF US WHITE MEN STILL LOVE OUR BEAUTIFUL WHITE WOMAN!!! I WILL NEVER BE ATTRACTED TO ONE, I THINK THEY ARE UGLY AND SMELL AND ALL MY GUY FRIENDS FEEL THE SAMEWAY!!! SO ALL YOU ASAIN GIRLS OUT THERE, LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE, CAUSE NOT ALL WHITE GUYS LIKE YOU!!!!
JUSTIN
Oh mi goodness…Settle down. I AM AN ASIAN-AMERICAN FEMALE. I am pretty offended. People are just to dam full of themselves. Now I wont judge you the way you judge the Asian community. Its childish and wont get you far in life. Although I will say this, lets not pretend like your sh** don’t stink. FYI, I am not coming at you and your race, seeing that you are obviously Caucasian, (because you only initiate that several times on our blog) I am considering you as a person.
The fact that you model does not make you any better then everyone else let alone an entire race. So get over yourself.
Besides how disrespectful do you think we are. Maybe you are too vain for your own good sweetheart, I bet you must think I am hitting n you now too don’t you? lol
I breath eat and feel the same as you. The only difference is that I am a female and can bear Children. I definitely do not fall into the category that you people automatically place me in. I was born here. I have proper grammar, so much I can say for the racist Douche, Oh you misspelled Asian on several occasions as well.
I follow many of the American traditions. I am far from dainty or submissive, I love playing baseball, Sunday night football and shooting ranges. So lets not start categorizing every Asian girl out there. I am married to a very attractive Caucasian US Army Ranger. gave birth to my first child who is half Vietnamese and Irish, Ill be damned if my son grows up believing that this type of behavior is normal. My Brother is also in the service and has been for 15 years and In Iraq as we speak fighting a god dam war to protect assholes like you and you have the nerve to talk your sh** about a race you don’t now anything about.
FIRST OFF HOW DID I KNOW YOU WOULD BE MARRIED TO A CAUCASION MAN, AND ONE IN THE ARMY AT THAT, IF THATS NOT SOOO STERIOTYPICAL I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. AN ASAIN WOMAN WITH A WHITE GUY IN THE ARMY. YOU ASAIN WOMAN DO MAKE ALL CAUCASION WOMAN FEEL LIKE THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH. I HAVE SEEN ASAIN WOMAN ON SHOWS AND ON THE INTERNET TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ARE BETTER THEN WHITE WOMAN AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE WHITE MEN OUT THERE. NOW HOW STUPID IS THAT?? AND HOW CONCEITED IS THAT???!!!! I AM PROUD TO LOVE MY CAUCASION GIRLFRIEND AND DONT NEED TO BE PICKED UP ON BY UGLY ASS ASAIN WOMAN WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEMSELVE’S. ALSO I WAS WATCHING TYRA THE OTHER DAY WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND THEY HAD ASAIN WOMAN ON THERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ‘ROLE PLAY’ WITH THEIR CAUCASION BOYFRIENDS ACTING ALL SUBMISSIVE AND SUCH CAUSE THEY KNOW WHITE MEN LIKE THAT. THAT IS THE NASTIEST, AND DEMEANING THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!! I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE ASAIN WOMAN DOWNING THEIR OWN RACE AND THE MEN IN THEIR RACE. ASAIN WOMAN ARE ALWAYS DOWNING THE ASAIN MEN. ASAIN WOMAN ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO DYE THEIR HAIR BLOND AND GETTING SURGERY ON THEIR EYES TO LOOK WHITE!! ITS SICK AND PATHETIC!! AND IF YOU EVER TRIED TO HIT ON ME, I WOULD VOMIT!!!! THE ASAIN WOMAN I DO TURN DOWN, THEY GET ALL UPSET AND MY GIRLFRIEND, LIKE HOW DARE SHE BE WITH A WHITE MAN!! THAT IS UBSURD!!!! SO PLEASE YOU ARE ANOTHER STERYOTYPE BEING MARRIED TO A CAUCASION ARMY GUY, SO OBVIOUS!!! IT USED TO BE LATINA WOMAN A FEW YEARS BACK, NOW ITS ASAINS, IT ALL A FAD !!! WHITE WOMAN ARE BY FAR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN OUT THERE!!! YOU ARE DENYING YOUR RACE BY DATING ONLY WHITE GUYS!! YOU ARE PATHETIC AND PROBABLY PLAY SUBMISSIVE SEX GAMES WITH HIM AND THATS SICK AND PATHETIC!!! SO PLEASE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TONS OF WHITE GUYS OUT THERE, INCLUDING ALL MY FRIENDS WHICH ARE ABOUT 30 OF MY WHITE FRIENDS WHO LOVE THEIR WHITE GIRLFRIENDS AND WHITE WOMAN!!!! SO GO BACK TO CHINA AND SHUT UP!! CHING CHONG!
FIRST OFF HOW DID I KNOW YOU WOULD BE MARRIED TO A CAUCASION MAN, AND ONE IN THE ARMY AT THAT, IF THATS NOT SOOO STERIOTYPICAL I DONT KNOW WHAT IS. AN ASAIN WOMAN WITH A WHITE GUY IN THE ARMY. YOU ASAIN WOMAN DO MAKE ALL CAUCASION WOMAN FEEL LIKE THEY ARENT GOOD ENOUGH. I HAVE SEEN ASAIN WOMAN ON SHOWS AND ON THE INTERNET TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ARE BETTER THEN WHITE WOMAN AND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL THE WHITE MEN OUT THERE. NOW HOW STUPID IS THAT?? AND HOW CONCEITED IS THAT???!!!! I AM PROUD TO LOVE MY CAUCASION GIRLFRIEND AND DONT NEED TO BE PICKED UP ON BY UGLY ASS ASAIN WOMAN WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THEMSELVE’S. ALSO I WAS WATCHING TYRA THE OTHER DAY WITH MY GIRLFRIEND AND THEY HAD ASAIN WOMAN ON THERE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ‘ROLE PLAY’ WITH THEIR CAUCASION BOYFRIENDS ACTING ALL SUBMISSIVE AND SUCH CAUSE THEY KNOW WHITE MEN LIKE THAT. THAT IS THE NASTIEST, AND DEMEANING THING I HAVE EVER HEARD!!!! I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THE ASAIN WOMAN DOWNING THEIR OWN RACE AND THE MEN IN THEIR RACE. ASAIN WOMAN ARE ALWAYS DOWNING THE ASAIN MEN. ASAIN WOMAN ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO DYE THEIR HAIR BLOND AND GETTING SURGERY ON THEIR EYES TO LOOK WHITE!! ITS SICK AND PATHETIC!! AND IF YOU EVER TRIED TO HIT ON ME, I WOULD VOMIT!!!! THE ASAIN WOMAN I DO TURN DOWN, THEY GET ALL UPSET AND MY GIRLFRIEND, LIKE HOW DARE SHE BE WITH A WHITE MAN!! THAT IS UBSURD!!!! SO PLEASE YOU ARE ANOTHER STERYOTYPE BEING MARRIED TO A CAUCASION ARMY GUY, SO OBVIOUS!!! IT USED TO BE LATINA WOMAN A FEW YEARS BACK, NOW ITS ASAINS, IT ALL A FAD !!! WHITE WOMAN ARE BY FAR THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMAN OUT THERE!!! YOU ARE DENYING YOUR RACE BY DATING ONLY WHITE GUYS!! YOU ARE PATHETIC AND PROBABLY PLAY SUBMISSIVE SEX GAMES WITH HIM AND THATS SICK AND PATHETIC!!! SO PLEASE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TONS OF WHITE GUYS OUT THERE, INCLUDING ALL MY FRIENDS WHICH ARE ABOUT 30 OF MY WHITE FRIENDS WHO LOVE THEIR WHITE GIRLFRIENDS AND WHITE WOMAN!!!! SO GO BACK TO CHINA AND SHUT UP!! CHING CHONG!
As an Asian man, We already know this Son! Still a beautiful womam is a beautiful woman.. does not matter color or race… Just that I am an Asian man and I love my Asian sisters. Simple as that!
I’m sorry to tell you this but based on your comments you are so annoying, stupid and pathetic racist. You don’t realize that you make a fool out of yourself by “trash-talking” and asserting on something that you don’t know anything about. Talking about respect, it seems that you are the one who don’t have any respect for yourself . You also don’t have any respect for others.
I suggest that you go back to school and try to learn correct grammar and spelling.
As an intelligent, non-hairy white woman, I find this very offensive. Just because you are a hairless rat of a human does not mean that you can judge all white woman by a few drunken encounters at a bar. My boyfriend is asian, and he wouldn’t have me any other way. Maybe the “white girl” you were with WAS a monkey. There are plenty of those in Asia.
Does your girlfriend also happen to be your sister, or your fathers wife?
Everyone’s entitle to their own opinion and everyone has a different perference on who they find attractive. Which means just because you are not attracted to a white/asian girl, it doesn’t mean that she is ugly. She is simply not your cup of tea. Every women is beautiful, regardless their race. Stop filling the world with racism and hatred! Spread the love!
As an Asian-American female, who grew up in a small town in the Southeast and primarily dates Asian-American males (and by primarily I mean 100% of the people I’ve dated since graduating high school), I am completely offended. Let’s be honest, dating is a numbers game and, unfortunately, unless you live in a major metropolitan area with high concentrations of Asian-Americans, the numbers just aren’t in your favor the way they are in Hong Kong or Seoul.
I love my Asian-American men AND I have had American media and culture jammed down my throat. Creepy, isn’t it? Glad to hear you found someone you like in Hong Kong, but please don’t tell my sexy Asian brothers to stop looking here in the states.
Let’s be honest. You sound a tad bit bitter. Maybe you’re just not cute. Or maybe you never found “the one” like you happened to find in HK. Either way, back off my men, man. 😉
It makes sense. As a white/Hispanic woman, I’ve noticed that I am most definitely (physically) attracted to certain types of men. My preferences are Middle Eastern, Indian, Latino/Hispanic, Brazilian, and any other man who has typical features along these lines. Every ethnicity has beautiful and hideous people.
All white people all look the same.
So white people should breed with other races, so we can all look the same
in 100 years.
Fettishism is annoying for one big reason: it is not just about being attracted to something. It is about the fact that in the dating world there is some sort of racist hierarchy of beauty that has devolved into the following:
For women:
MOst beautiful
1-asian women
2-blonde women
3-light skinned women
4-dark skinned women
For men:
most beautiful
1-white men with dark hair
2-white men with blonde hair
3-black men
4-asian men
Now, I am not saying there is anything wrong with being attracted to an asian woman. What I am saying is, that rather than just going into the world and seeing who they meet/who they might be attracted to, people have this idiotic dating hierarchy that is largeley about status and not so much about who they are attracted to.
Personally, this annoys the &()* out of me and I find it to be incredibly racist. Now, in your case, your first long term girlfriend was korean. It seems logical that people’s attractions are shaped by their first relationship, and I understand that. However, if you are now single, you should still go out there and try something new. Not everyone has to look like your first girlfriend–in fact you should be greatful that there are other women out there. However, the longer you date asian women, the less you’ll be attracted to/ be able to imagine dating someone that isn’t. It’s sort of a vicious circle.
I’m an Asian man who never had problems dating outside of my ethnicity.
Most Asian guys are not confident with their flirting skills.
And they try to blame it on the media? What they need to do is learn from other Asian men who don’t have any problems.
Where can you find these guys? ==> http://AsianPimpStatus.com
wow….I will tell you this. Discussing this with an individual as dumb as a door knob as you are is very exhausting. I can feel you sucking the brain cells out of my head….you can’t spell either. Man, no wonder why your a model, because you can’t get a real job. I come from a family of military that’s why I am a military brat retard….Thank you for the compliment, I m glad you think Im ugly..At least Im not ignorant. I also never once said anything bad about white women or white male just simply about you….I have too many friends who are white to even judge…..lolllllolololol…sounds like your pissed….aw…..thats too bad……btw—shhhhh dont tell anyone, i use to model too but its too embarrassing to mention for the most part they see you as a piece of meat ….but guess what i figured I would make alot more money in real estate….If you don’t know what that is let me explain it to you in kindergarden terms, I buy and Sell Foreclosed homes, Fix them up and sell it for double the price. so keep talking smack….because its no longer annoying, its pretty fun….
No, it isn’t about just blaming the media, it’s systematic prejudices from society whether you live in western or eastern cultures. Caucasian men and women are viewed the most desirable in English speaking world, which makes sense considering more Americans are of European descendants than any other races. Unless the population for asians gets bigger in the U.S. Asian men will not be in the same radar as whites, latinos/hispanics, or black men when dating. There was a time Asian population could’ve grown in the U.S. look up The Chinese exclusion act of 1882.
About this article, I’m an Asian American and I’ve always been attracted to white women the most. Like this author’s experience with Asian women, I had my first encounter with a beautiful blonde girl from camp when I was little, and ever since then, I was very much into white women. Growing up, I didn’t ask any girl out for fear of racist attacks (yes I grew up in a predominately white neighborhood).
You are by far the worst representation of white men or the white race for that matter. You shouldv’e just undid that caps lock and not posted any comment, because I think you single handedly just made matters worse. Your very uneducated, illiterate, racist post may have just caused me to go find an Asian woman. Way to go.
“you can’t spell either. Man, no wonder why your a model”
Hmmm. Interesting because “your” is possesive. I believe you were TRYING to spell you’re. That means you are. As in you are an idiot who cannot spell either.
I am a white male model as well. I have a Japanese/Chinese girlfriend and soon to be fiance, she is the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. Your comment is ignorant and offensive. It is also embarassing to REAL models such as myself who has walked down the runway at actual fashion shows in France (oh and I also have a B.A. in Psychology so maybe I can help you with your issues). I do love white women, as my mother and two sisters are both white. To display such racism towards another race is disgusting. My fiance is next to me laughing at your sad sad comment right now.
What an idiot. If the woman is married to a white man, does that not speak volumes about her acceptance and respect of the white race? It does. Just like your comment speaks volumes about your racism and ignorance. Based on that alone, you shouldn’t have to worry about a respectable Asian woman trying to hit on u. I think she would most gladly pass. Asswipe
Asian women are hot.
Any cool Asian girls looking for a cool, professional photographer (white guy) in NYC? Hit me up. We’ll get a drink.
With all seriousness this article touched home. Although I am of mixed race I am predominately latino. Some of my best (and worst) relationships have come from asian girls but its a preference that I am happy with. All the things that is spoken in this article I have gone through with most of my friends not understanding why I am attracted to asians.
I’m just glad someone took the time to right an article not necessarily on a racist view but something even a non white who loves asians can relate to.
nancylee. do you pee standing up in the morning? scratch your nuts ? get a prostate check? no? then what the fuck do you know about ”being a man”?
I probably posted here a couple years ago, but I am so angry and offend by racist and ignorant comments about Asian women. To say that white women are “more” beautiful than Asian women comes from the Media. Media brainwash our definition of beauty. Beauty is not exterior. It is SKIN DEEP. Damn it. I’m sick and tired of all this damn crap and remarks against how Asian people are ugly. Media does put white women on the pedestal and that’s a fact. Blonde hair, blue eyes, and white skin MEANS beautiful. Damn it.
Also. I forgot to say that sometimes I find myself starting at a young and blonde teenager. I’m not a teenager, btw. I’m thinking to myself. Is she more beautiful than me because she has blue eyes and blonde hair? I honestly felt for a moment that she was more beautiful than I am because I wasn’t white. What the hell went through my head at that moment? I walk pass by white girls in my school every single day, sometimes thinking to myself, am I less desirable because I’m Asian? Let me guess. Perhaps so. In the same way, majority of these White men has probably never seen Asian women before.
I know what it’s like to date one. Do you?
hahaha LMAO bro i defo agree with ya asian womens are cheap sluts and they h8 their own race wtf? they beg a white guy 2 marry them so their generation wont be asian woaaaah but 2 bad not all white guys like those ugly nerdy rats/cheapo sluts
xx
C,mon man,tsup do you really care what others think ? They think of you like one second and than change their thoughts.Let me tell you this.It is more than ok to date asian woman.Myself i like korean womans,not only by their apearence,but i like for example the way they behave and the way they talk.i get a lot of Contra-feedback when i was 21 and dated a 30 year woman.Yea men date aliens womans if you can find any.Is perfecty ok.Rasism is dead for crying sake,the slave age end.Who don,t say that dating asian woman is perfecty ok is a ,idiot and sincerly not a very smart person.Head up man.gays are ok to people,but sucking anothers man penis,i puke god damit.Fucking growse.here is some mental problemes.
So this article is about a white guy trying to explain his yellow fever.
If your Caucasian woman plays submissive sex game with you. Would this be the nastiest and demeaning? Would you be sicked and tired of the Caucasian woman downing their feminist and the rest of the women population?
I love white bitches
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This whole topic of Asian Girls and White Guys is complicated by factors not present in other interracial relationships. It’s pretty common knowledge that many black guys prefer white women (or more specifically blonde women of nordic heritage) but you rarely see the same level of discussion and debate about this. Most people will say , yeah Tiger’s wife (now ex) is hot so they understand his attraction to her.
But with Asian girls and White guys the discussion is more complicated because of factors like:
1. The so called “dating disparity” – the idea that Asian guys do not date non-Asian women with the same frequency.
2. The fact that some Asian women also have a preference for white men – these women are sometimes labeled race traitors, white guy groupies and other disparaging remarks.
As a final thought, I often wonder why some people get so worked up over this whole issue and inevitably the reasons come down to “protecting” Asian women from predatory males who are only interested in them because they are Asian and only want to have sex with them and nothing else. Asian women today are fully aware of the so called “Asian fetish” so I don’t think they need “protecting” from it.
You missed the most obvious difference between black-white and white-asian relationships. In the U.S., blacks and whites have both been assimilated into the same mainstream culture for over 200 years. So your theory might hold true in 150 years. Let’s wait and see if it does.
Interesting topic. What is not discussed is the Asian women’s fascination with White men. There’s a definite “White Fever” out there. I’m a little older than most of your just out of college readers, in my early 40’s. I’m an accomplished White male, former Army officer, two technical degrees, investments, properties with time largely my own and a host of interesting hobbies and toys. NOTHING attracts ’em like confidence, success and the smell of it. No matter the race. That said:
I’ve been gifted with many lovers over the years from many races. Curiously to me since high school and college Filipina women predominantly (among other Asians) found themselves driven, attracted to me. Over the years I occasionally took them up on the offers. They repeatedly told me I can look studious on occasion or like the commanding executive depending on the situation. I get out and do things, rarely watching TV or sitting at home without purpose and they found that interesting. Most of their Filipina friends’ men did not, no matter their income or station in life. I’m told by the women I kept for some time there was considerable envy among their friends for the way we lived and a perception my girl was with the more masculine man…and any man of any experience knows women enjoy being envied. Boredom and complacency repelled these women and pushed them to me unsolicited.
I did not develop an “Asian Fetish” per se but after dating several White women I settled down with a lovely, educated, decent Cambodian-American woman of integrity who became a loving, loyal, wonderful mother and a family oriented person. She’s no submissive. I honestly cannot say I would be so successful with the White/other women I dated. I don’t think the family focus is there anymore in our society, sadly. Is this not the ultimate goal of all our trials and travails in the dating world?
If you are a jealous Asian man, step up your game…that’s all. These girls are just looking for the best deal, as are you. Be the right man, and the right woman will appear. As for the fools who speak of racial purity – I don’t give a ripped rats’ a** for that logic. Don’t annoy me with it if you see my half breed child. This is America…the pinnacle of achievement of all our races precisely because of people and ideals mixing. Those who espouse racial purity have no idea what they are talking about. DNA evidence proved ALL humans are descendants of a handful of ancestors. These ancestors moved from Africa to the corners of the globe. That means you may share more DNA with that dreaded White guy than your best Asian friend.
It doesn’t matter who you date as long as you are right for each other and doing right socially. Do what you want and ignore the noise.
what a crap article
As an Asian guy, I can tell you that most Asian men aren’t against interracial relationships between Asian women and White men. We just hate the fact that a majority of Asian girls who date White guys tend to act extremely snobby toward other Asians as if they’re somehow better than us just because they’re with a white guy.
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So you don’t mind whites and Asians?
What about other races?
like Latinas..or Hawaiians..or blacks?
but how many people of other colours…do you think is beautiful?
You are a troll!
and nobody feeeds the trolls.
Racist propaganda..sad.
I am an Asian woman and I found this really refreshing to hear guy that likes an Asian girl for who she is not basic on those stereotypes.
There are many men who have an Asian Fetish and this is totally different from someone who finds you attractive because your personality.
I’ll explain the difference. Men who have an Asian fetish only like Asian women basic on stereotypes, myths, rumors that they heard about Asian women. They never like the person for who they are, they like them because of these stereotypes and they expect Asian women to be act certain way and to behave a certain way. They never really see us humans.
These type of men have hatred on the own women of their race and they believe someone from different national will act differently, but when they forget that women no matter their race are women. These men believe what they hear.
Such as:
Asian women make better wives than western women
Asian women are pure
Asian women don’t get pimples
Asian women don’t get fat
Asian women have nice black long hair
Asian women are short
Asian women like white men
Asian women are submissive
Asian women are loyal
Asian women are not ugly
Forget about your white woman and date an Asian because they are better.
And this list goes on and on. These men group all Asian women to be like this. This type of people will never see Asian women as humans. They only like them because of these stereotype. And when an Asian woman do not act the way they think they should, they get offended, they get upset, they say we are not Asian enough, because these men do not view us as women like any other woman, they convince themselves that Asian women are better, special, and what not when it reality they are none of these things.
Then there men who attractive to the look of an Asian women and know she is like everyone else, and know she isn’t going to act in the way of the stereotypes and she going to act the way she acts. These people see you as human and know not all Asian women are beautiful. That’s the difference right there.
Your ex sounds like jerk. I hate those kind of men that expect us to act certain way because we are Asian. Your better off without him. You want to find a guy that like you, because of you and not solely because your Asian and he expects you to act in certain way. Be careful of men with an Asian fetish, they creeps.
@ Anony
I’m not Asian, but people who make those kind of comments where women can hear them (like, in a public space) bother me too because it feels a bit like a put down and it’s not fair that other people have to move away or put up with listening to them.
I feel as though those kind of comments are racist. They make you feel objectified and they make me feel insulted and hurt, as though someone has said my mum is a bad wife and I’m ugly 🙁
I don’t understand why some people have a preference for/against particular races- to me it seems kinda strange ^_^`
I mean, how is it decided to not be attracted to an entire race or be attracted to an entire race of people?
To me every single person looks completely different \(O.o)/
My last boyfriend was Japanese <3
But, we didn't date because he was Japanese and because I think he was beautiful doesn't mean that I have a preference for all Asian men either. It would make the relationship seem less special and make him sound replaceable by millions of other people.
Not all ‘white women’ have blonde hair and blue eyes. In fact, I have brown hair and brown eyes ^_^
I guess you could say that in the same way ‘Asian women’ might get less air time on a tv in America? that a ‘white women’ might get less air time in Asia. It doesn’t mean that either race is prettier, it just means that the brand behind the company is trying to reach out to whoever will but the product, so please don’t feel insecure ^_^
Also, it’s more respectful if you write White women like this, because you wrote Asian women like this, not this: asian women.
I never found asian women attractive at all, though I have fantasized about some quiet a bit and have seen very attractive ones. Physically though many share the same traits, skinny, small breasts, no ass, and yes Asian women can be ugly I have seen plenty.
Im a white man, I only find white women attractive, physically there beauty is much more diverse then every other race. Ranging from pale-tan skin, different eye colors and hair colors while the rest of the world has brown-dark brown eyes and black hair. I will probably never have sexual contact with an Asian women or black women in my life, I only like white women, My 8.5 inch cock should do them fine 🙂
Hispanic/Mixed peoples of Latin America are very attractive to, so are Arabs.
Anyway FUCK THIS SHIT!
I had no idea that preferring asian women meant you had an ‘asian fetish’…
Sounds to me that someone who thinks that way is just a miserable loser and racist…lol.
“asian fetish” what a stupid, ignorant, phrase.
I think a lot of the idiots that spew the ‘asian fetish’ hate term are just racist losers who despise white men who date asians women that they couldnt get themselves.
Race is just a mitigating factor, men are men, women are women…we are attracted to eachother because of that, not because of race…at least not anymore because of race than because of body odor.
its just a stupid, ignorant, hateful, racist cop-out perpetrated by miserable, little, weak, whiny, losers who cant get a date.
Everybody knows Asian women date white men in record breaking numbers so I don’t see why everyone is on here trying to pretend like Asian women don’t have a white bread fetish. Asian women see white men as a symbol of power, they adopted all of their policies and values suitable to white people only because they interact with them so much. Some Asians even believe that THEY are white. It should go as no surprise that Asian women love white men more than life itself and will literally do anything to please them. If you are black or Latino or in some cases a Asian male you can just forget it a Asian woman will never treat you the same way let alone give you the time of day to even talk to her!
Ok, there are ignorant people of all races and those people suck, bottomline. As a former member of the military, I’ve done my share of traveling. In my experience, there are beautiful people of all races and there are ugly people of all races. By ugly people, I don’t mean those who are physically unattractive to me but rather those people who are ugly on the inside, filled with hatred and racism. Anyway, every person has their own tastes, whether it be for very specific qualities they see in a person or whether it’s just something within them. To call it a fetish is demeaning and insensitive, if you find a person that you have fun with and enjoy being around, don’t worry about what anyone else has to say, they aren’t living your life and you only need to please yourself and the one you’re with.
That’s not true for all Asian women…I actually prefer Asian men because they share more of the same values as me. What racist comments…geez -_-
Wow…someone is conceited/ moronic. I don’t see why you even read this article in the first place if all you wanted to do was advertise your 8.5″ cock…So you’re not attracted to Asian women and you’re attracted to white women, so what? It’s all fine, but you don’t have to say it in such a rude, low-class manner. And adding your cock size is just makes you sound barbaric & idiotic.
You are racist and full of yourself.
I am an Asian woman and I can tell you some Asian women seem to date only white men because they are not attractive to Asian men. It is well known (at least to the Asians) that white people have a different taste on Asian woman. And good to those girls that Asian people found unattractive, white men seemed to be drawn to them!
Four of my least attractive classmates married white men. Good for them. The pretty ones, like me, married Chinese. 🙂
If any Asian women threw themselves to you, most likely she is too ugly that no Asian men will ask them for a date.
Agree, even though I am also Asian woman. This kind of behavior bothers me too. My husband, who is Asian, complained about the same thing about his Asian classmate too.
The joke is this Asian chick who acts like she wants nothing to do with other Asians is not even remotely attractive to my husband or any of my Asian guy friends as she is big fat and ugly.
i think oriental woment look like aliens that landed in roswell. 😉
i really enjoyed my oriental prostitute last night.
i no like white guy who make fun of me look like alien. i independent woemnn who think act for me. i do everyting me. yea???
First of all, where did you get those “record breaking numbers”? Or it is just reflection of your self-esteem?
Second, what makes you think that “white men” is “a symbol of power” by Asian women? Is your conclusion based on fact or your biased interpretation?
Third, your comment is subjective and defamatory.
I am an Asian American woman and I find this article really interesting. I’m going to disregard all the snide remarks and dirty ignorant side comments and try to actually talk about the issue at hand.
I have dated several guys, mostly not Asian, but not all white either. I think focusing too much on race in any case, either by preferring too strongly or avoiding entirely, can make the issue seem more ‘racist’. I understand having innate preferences in taste, and I really liked that he brought up comparing stories with gay friends. While its not exactly the same, its true that you cant help who you are attracted to, but also that whatever your tastes are, personal traits still matter in making a relationship work. For every white guy who fetishizes Asian women, there are men of every race who want the bombshell blond with huge breasts, and thats not really fair either. In either case its dehumanizing, and disregarding the individual, and limiting yourself, really, by looking only to a physical type.
One reason I think some Asian women (and I say SOME) are attracted to white men, besides growing up in America and seeing them as the ‘norm’, is that they are different from their fathers. At least in Korean society I know there has been a generational disconnect in the way men and women are expected to treat each other, and some girls grow up wanting something better, or at least different, from what they grew up seeing.
My own parents say that Chinese men make better husbands than Koreans because they treat women better. Whether or not this is true it still comes off negatively. This is not to say that Asian men don’t make good boyfriends or husbands, or that they are not as successful or masculine, only that some Asian American women might be looking outside their ethnicity for a personal reason. I’m all for multiracial relationships, and I also understand that some people are most comfortable with people who share their culture and history. Either way I think if you’re really looking for a person to share yourself with, you should be open to the people that come your way, because you could be surprised.
Wow, this article is three years old and it’s still being read and commented on to this day! What an interesting topic which will never cease to exist. There should be a book written about this phenomenan. And where is author JaySpark nowadays? Did he ever marry an Asian woman? If so, he should write about that too. It would be interesting to know what it’s like being married to an Asian woman as well. Enquiring minds want to know…haha
Asian women are exotic looking, they are lean and feminine.
They are mild mannered and extremely sexy minded.
Every man wants a china doll to play with. Those that have understand. White women, you have no idea. Go east young (or old) man. You can give to them, they will give much back to you.
There’s more asian women (and other backgrounds) spread throughout the world now. You see more so it looks like a big trend, but they would also be dating more of other races as well. If they’ve grown up in this country their traditions about dating within own culture have also be relaxed. Along with any other ethnic group like greek, portugese, italian, etc. It’s just people won’t identify an ‘english’ male dating someone from those groups as also increasing in bumbers, just go for what they have seen visually.
My wife is Asian and I just wanted to point out that Thailand was never colonized by whites, yet the same phenomenon exist there as in the Philippines, so the theory that the OPs friend told him is ridiculous.
@DChang: “Some Asian American women might be looking outside their ethnicity for a personal reason.” You are exactly right, and that applies to white men as well!
@ “WHITE ONLY”
There are Caucasian women with brown hair and eyes. I’ve also seen a Japanese woman with natural gray eyes.
There are Asian women who are curvy. Actually, pretty much all women are curvy, but the size and shape of the curves vary from person to person. I know this from going to an Onsen ^_^`
The hair and eye colour also vary. A piercing black is very different from a warm brown, like a piercing blue is different from a twinkling green ^_^
The world is very diverse <3
Uhhhh…..yeah they did. Many south asian folks have blonde hair and green eyes from the French. I met many blonde Hmong people. They also have green/blue eyes. AND No! they didnt wear contacts b/c they want to look white! they have natural blue/green eyes(they’re farmers).
signed:
White Woman who married an Asian Man
No, Hmong people didn’t get their light hair and eye color from the French. Stories of Hmong with blond hair and light eyes dates back to China, before the Hmong migrated to south east Asia.
How is it possible? Nobody knows, but yes, many Hmong do have natural Blond hair.
Asians are ‘white washed.’ Plain and simple…
Never judge or jump to conclusions while you never really learn about Asian women!
Well, I didnot want to say this, because i dont want to be rude and hurt white men, but based on your comment, I have to tell the truth which i knew, lots of my asian female friends dont want to marry with white man, mainly because of they think white men are hairy,that’s scary, secondly, because of most white person have body odor,last but not least, your have weak concept of family, and pretty mess up on sexy issues and no responsibility as a man. Plus, their parents against their daughter to marry with white men casue the high rate of divorce.
I have a very bad impression to white men now all because of your comment!
HongKong keep this kind of old tradition–i mean man have lots of wives longer than maninland, cause they under the uk’s control for years, and the ruler didnot want to remove it.
shame on you!
Gimme a break. Your family doesn’t like it? Who cares? They don’t need to be with her..Have some confidence and be with who you want to be with. You have good taste!
im a white guy yes lol im reading this and i need advice on something i love japanese women and i always have since iw as young and my family does not understand or my freinds are like Change yourself can any asian women help me out here? that would be Great! and im really happy i can read articles about people Just like me 🙂 i feel like im not Isolated because of my prefrences!
thomas
thank you 🙂 for the encouragement 🙂
And do the Asian girls who like white guys look like this?
http://www.japansugoi.com/wordpress/japanese-bikini-gravure-idols/
Cuts both ways! It’ simple, people want to be with attractive people, no matter what race.
It doesn’t sound like a preference if you are after only one, wonderful woman in particular, not an entire race of women ^_^`.
You sound like a really decent guy who really cares about this lady in your life. It’s good to make this obvious to her parents. You care about her and aren’t going to leave her 🙂
I’ve watched a similar to what you’re experiencig happen between my host family and host sister’s fiance ^_^`
Basically, what my host parents hoped to see was that:
1) the fiance was serious about forming a relationship with them and their daughter (learning the language as fluently as possible and communicating in it with everyone)
2) wouldn’t cheat on the daughter (no glancing at other girls)
3) is a harmonoious person who wants the daughter to be happy (no arguments or negativity, agrees with what the daughter says)
4) won’t keep them from seeing their daughter and future grandchildren (give her space with her parents and be extremely positive about Japanese culture- eat everything given, no negative comments and talk about the great things you experience in Japan).
Of course, all parents are different, but I hope my comment will help to improve the situation ^_^
A*****s. You simply need to understand it’s best that we all stick to our own kind. No white should date an Asian, no Asian should date a black, and no black should date a white. That’s how it’s supposed to be.
okay seriously your Bashing on my comment then WHY are you here on this site? of COurse i love jpanaese women but i cant STAND people WHO think that there race is the best when really i believe every person is equal
Your opinion is just that: opinion. Don’t try to shove your opinion down our throats as if they are facts.
Besides, if races weren’t meant to mix, then how is it that they can have children together?
Additionally: considering the amount of mixed blood/heritage that is in YOUR body right now, you are actually downing races that make up a part of who you are.
You are ignorant, hateful, and racist.
You are merely a sick f*** who is struggling to justify his inner-objectification of Asian women. You are the true bigot, not me.
So I am an Asian female and I don’t particularly have a strong preference. But I find asian men to be fine, having said that, where I live, caucasians are the dominant race. So the chances of me liking a white guy is WAY higher. But that isn’t to say I wouldn’t date asian guys either. It’s the locatioin.
Makes sense to me, Anon. I’ll date any attractive and smart gal where I happen to live, regardless of ethnicity. If I’m in Korea (which I will be next year), chances are much higher I’ll be dating a nice Korean gal. However, if I meet a Caucasian gal who also seems nice, I will just as gladly go out with her as well.
A great gal is a great gal!
I am the “bigot?”
Bigot: “a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; ESPECIALLY : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance” Considering the message and choice of words you have used to attack people on this site, it is clear who the bigot is.
There is also another term for you:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moron?show=0&t=1286881948
Writer, I agree with much of what you mentioned (being in a very similar situation). I too found myself having a preference for Korean women physically from an early age (That’s not to say I don’t find other types of women attractive) and have encountered much of the same ignorant comments, especially from Chinese males lol.
Many of the people who judged you even took the time to comment on this article. The only reason I am doing this is because I’m very fed up with ignorance regarding this topic.
First of all, too many people keep mentioning this crap about “Asian fetishes lalala stereotypes about Asian women” and how “In your case writer, it’s okay because you didn’t exhibit any stereotypical preferences.” or ******”I am an Asian woman and I found this really refreshing to hear guy that likes an Asian girl for who she is not basic on those stereotypes.”****** as if it usually is about stereotypes or something? To all these people all I have to say is ‘shut the fuck up already’. *No body likes Asian women because of these stereotypes.*
Where have you people been? Obviously people who make these claims are out of touch with society. No one actually thinks this way; 95% of white men don’t think this way. At least not in America.
I myself am a white male of prime European stock growing up as lower middle class. I am dating a Korean woman for nearly a decade and while be married soon. I never fell in love with her for these stereotypes; we obviously required some sort of personality compatibility to still be together after so long. In fact, she doesn’t exhibit any of these stereotypical notions. Those notions are quite pathetic as a matter of fact. And she obviously isn’t with me because of my family’s income, since her family is wealthier. In fact, I’m proud of our diversity as a couple, and the diversity of culture our children will inherit.
HOWEVER, throughout our teens and even in our twenties there have been people every now and then who’ve made stupid comments towards me about us such “HAhahAhaha ASian FEveR/Fetish.” And I dare say, none have ever been from any hispanic, black, or white friend/acquaintance I’ve ever had. These comments haven’t even been from Korean males I’ve encountered and befriended.
Fuck, they only seem to come from Chinese males. So I ask you commentators, why do Chinese males tend to gravitate towards this ignorance? Are 50% of them that out of touch with reality? Or are they that insecure and pathetic LOL? Hell, many Chinese males I have met have absolutely no game at all when it comes to picking up women (But not all!). Shit, Chinese women also say these things (especially the ugly ones, as if they have any sort of clue about dating or dating outside their race)
So, I’m under the impression that people who talk all this shit, are people who themselves can’t act. We all know a good portion of Chinese seem to envy Koreans to the point of pathetic. Kind of like how some Americans envy Japanese to the same level of disgust.
Maybe it’s just that, that these douches envy me for actually dating a very attractive Korean woman. Or on a macro scale, these douches just envy us handsome white males who date attractive Asian women in general because they themselves cannot.
I came across a forum on “why do so many girls hate asian women” (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t490269-2/) and i was really shocked to read the contents.I wonder which century these women are living in.All the hateful and racist remarks about asian women were so untrue and ignorant.They didn’t see the world enough to find out that there are many intelligent,highly educated,sophisticated,assertive and independent asian women out there.Instead,they prefer to stick to their own stigma,prejudice and hatred.Or perhaps,they just can’t accept the fact that they failed to attract men themselves and put the blame on asian girls for stealing their men.
Totally cool.I second that.
If we all came from Adam and Eve, technically, we are all the same race, the human one. Any race should be allowed to date any other race. Personally, as a Christian, I wouldn’t date a non-Christian in terms of religion. But I feel I am a free to date any race I want….
I find that when I’m a with a white guy a lot of asian women look at me and try to compete. I’m east Indian and these girls are fuckin bitches!
i find it funny how you say you’re attracted, specifically, to “Korean” women. I agree that Korean women are beautiful (so are Chinese, Phillipino, and Lao women to name a few), but it’s hard to distinguish East Asian features from one another. I know this is a bold statement, but trying to determine if a woman is “Korean” or “Japanese” based on the way she looks is no different from Hitler separating races and ethnicities based on the way they look.
I get that you’re attracted to Asian women because of their features, and I am glad that you have pointed out the importance of personality in relationships.
I’m an Asian woman myself, and I can’t separate other Asian ethnicities. In my personal experience, it’s true I’ve turned down Caucasian men that have asked me out in the past, because the fact was, their ideas about Asian culture was largely fueled by beliefs about Asians in popular culture. Even though they were trying to be careful, they thought they could appeal to me with conversations about noodles, rice, and kung-fu. So how can I, as an WOMAN knowledgeable about my own culture (as I am sure they are about theirs), not think that there might be some kind of Asian fetish going on? As an ASIAN (AM) woman, how can I not help but see that the way others interact with me is through the stereotypes of my race? So how can a person, tainted with the stereotypes of my culture, be attracted to me without the obvious fact that I’m Asian?
I’m not representing all Asian women here, I’m just throwing in wrenches into your analysis about Yellow Fever from my perspective.
On another note, I was more attracted to White guys when I was younger, like in Junior High, but eventually I realized that if you’re good looking, you’re just good looking, no matter what race you are. That still holds true for me today. As for you, I’m glad you’ve come to accept who you are and your personal preferences without shame, and it’s cool that you’ve shed some light onto stereotypes about Asian women that still seem predominant in today’s time.
east indians are ASIANS. please get your facts straight.
I’m not a hater. I’m f***** tired of white guys posting how great asian women are, these women kiss ass and are catty just like any other women to women like me. I see asian women chase after my white male friends and don’t feel like asian women are superior to me in any way, this is all nonsense!
im a high school guy and i have dated girls from all races but i have never and never will date an asian chick no offence but thats my taste and everyone else got their own taste 🙂
ok im lost what do u mean by dating and asian girl? there are many different types of asian eg: “middle east asia in other wordz ARABS” or indianz or paki or whatever asian is not only “china,japan,korea,thai,viet,tiwian,phillipenese ETC. so can u plz make it clear 4 us by saying which part of asia are u talkn about thnxx
btw im arabic and at the moment im with european guy we met at uni anywayz i kno itz impossible 4 us 2 get married cuz of my religion , my background and my PARENTS :'( anywayz srry 4 writing alot but i just wanna point out that dont follow otherz and dont listen 2 haters and alwayz follow ur heartz and ur brainz 🙂 cuz thtz ur life and u the 1 tht gone live it no1 else so pplz “FIGHT 4 UR LOVE” XXX all the best *rima*
most women are competitive in nature.it sounds like u had bad experiences with some Asian women,but not all of them share the personality.by saying that Asian women are competitive bitches,it does sound like u have an issue there.i came across many Asian women who are not interested in getting a White boyfriend.
You obviously don’t understand the meaning of what you just googled and then copy/pasted.
Uh, not sure what you’re talking about because I’m Chinese and I can easily tell the difference between different types of Asians. I mean honestly, you really can’t see the difference between a filipino and a chinese woman? Or a lao woman and a korean? Are you blind? The only two races that are somewhat hard to distinguish are chinese and japanese, and even still, it’s not that hard.
Maybe it’s different between an Americanized Asian and a non-Americanized asian since Americanized Asians see other Asians through American eyes. I am definitely a non-Americanized asian and I can totally tell the difference between different groups of Asians. One of my pet peeves is just people saying “all asian look the same,” which is ignorant and so untrue.
so many white men i know dates asian women because they think they’re hotter but i don’t really agree on that. I prefer them mixed race and i meet loads of them on match.com
Wow this isn’t an advertisement post at all.
Additionally, there is no such thing as a “hotter” race – all women are beautiful to someone, and while I may not find all women attractive, I happen to find some women from all races beautiful.
I agree with your comments here. While I have not lived in Asia, I have watched much film and have many Asian friends from many diverse countries. There are large, noticeable differences amongst most of the regions, and you’re right – sometimes it’s bit more difficult in some areas (like China/Japan), but overall, I agree with you, Anon – it’s not “that” hard.
“My wife is Asian and I just wanted to point out that Thailand was never colonized by whites, yet the same phenomenon exist there as in the Philippines, so the theory that the OPs friend told him is ridiculous.”
This is correct. They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. That is scientifically false. Wrong. You are completely and utterly ignorant. Symmetry is beauty, and a newborn baby can tell the difference between a hot asian girl and a 4 foot tall mexican girl.
Symmetry is measurable. No, what’s different is your perception. You are different. Just you. There’s a theory about that. You know how some people are hideous to 95% of the population, but they meet their true love at Walmart.
Well, I think people can see what the mixture of races/genes will look like in their head. I think it’s part of our biology. When you see a “potential mate”, as the freaks used to say on wild kingdom, you merge their looks with yours and either like or don’t like the outcome.
This may be why alot of white guys mostly date asian girls. You mix with another white girl, and you end up with you. Exactly.. you. No progress. Nothing gained.
But if you find a asian girl with a personality and features that you can stand to have kids with, then it’s perfect. You both advance with something completely new. And, genetically, your offspring are literally healthier. All of you biologists out there know why this is. Why mutts are smart and faster, but not always prettier than pure breeds.
So that’s where the asian pickiness comes in. I don’t like every asian girl I see either. But you find one that physically is your equal and balance and BAM! It’s like somebody punches you in the stomach. I also have a preference for Koreans or Chinese/Vietnamese(some).
I’m exactly like the author. I did not choose this. Imagine somebody turning the lights off and then a white girl coming up to you saying, “Hey! Isn’t this great. Can you see that?”
No, I can’t. I can’t see a damn thing.
It’s like looking at my sister when I care enough to look. And while she is nice and sweet, I don’t want to have children with her.
I like asian women because the combination of them and me will make something better than both. You don’t get that from all mutt’s. But asian/white mixes usually end in success- some are now the actor’s on your screen. Kristin Kreuk is one. And one from an older time is Bruce Lee. Asian’s want pale skin, thin faces, and to be tall. I want a healthier and more beautiful child that 30 generations of white girls can’t give me. We both win. And winning is good.
That’s it. It’s biology. And biology is half of the issue. You have to be right in the head for each other, of course. And that’s the hardest part to figure out, isn’t it.
white guy asian women she just after your money unless you’re some saviour of hers. its just the heat of the moment u just see something you fancy. typical white guy asking about asians jeez women are women. u have gold diggers and the non gold diggers.
Being half asian I have been with 2 guys that I later learned had yellow fever. It was their porn collection and history lists that gave them away. Also I learned that all of their girlfriends prior to me were Asian. I felt betrayed and creeped out because I realized these two were not looking for a complete human being to be with, only someone who fulfilled a list physical requirements.
I love my race because it is mine, I grew up with it and endured many challenges because of it. When say a white American man expresses his sole preference of asianess and Asian girls and would put them at the top of his list purely due to their race, there is a sickness there. This man has does not truly understand what being Asian is. He has never contended with issues of being Asian so how can he limit his sexual preference in such a way unless he himself were lacking an emotional identity?
To liken his Asian preference with homosexuality is absurd and insulting to both Asians and homosexuals. Homosexuality is broad term. A homosexual could be any color and any gender for that matter. The term Asian pins a race and to a degree, a culture. Though he states he is not attracted to all Asians, he readily admits that he would bump them up on his list of dating possibilities because they were Asian. He writes “people condemn what they don’t know.” Well, I personally know this situation inside and out and still think this behavior calls for criticism.
When he states that people distance themselves from him when they find out he has an Asian-preference, it probably has less to do with the actual preference and more to do with his lacking personality.
People want to be seen as an entire human being not as an emotionally-titillating object. I have found that men who display this kind of behavior were tremendously fearful and sad human beings whose sole desire is to be emotionally protected by another instead of taking that responsibility upon themselves. He tells HOW he came to his Asian preference but never answers WHY?
Was this comment written via text message? LOL
I agree with your belief that the guy you were seeing was lacking in many ways. The mention of pornography shows that he is definitely trying to fulfill some type of fantasy of which has not been able to live out otherwise. It must be mentioned that, Asian or otherwise, pornography isn’t healthy in any way, shape, or form.
I myself do not have a “preference,” so to speak, unless “beautiful, smart, funny, faithful women” are a preference. As far as race is concerned, I have no preference, apart from said attributes above (and even those are my own personal opinions, not to be pressed upon others). I do acknowledge that with some races, my attraction varies, so that in one race there may be a higher percentage of attractive women to me, while in another race I may have to see many women before the same feelings of attraction can be awakened. I can say with all honesty, that I am not simply attracted to Asians (which is in and of itself a silly designation considering the fact that there is a big difference to me between the women of the countries there); no, it is more accurate to say, “I am attracted to some Asian women, if they are attractive to me.” Just as I am attracted to a Caucasian woman – IF she is attractive to me.
I like your statement about being an “entire human being” not an “emotionally titillating object.” A person who just says “I am attracted to Asians” is just looking for an idea, or a fantasy – an object. Would I love to have a Chinese bride? A Japanese bride? Korean? Indonesian? Sure, why not? Just as preferred as to have a Caucasian one (as long as she’s not indoctrinated with the same radical cultural issues my ex was! lol). Of course I want an attractive woman for my wife, but she has to be more than that, Asian or otherwise. I hope these guys you’ve mentioned find themselves.
-B.
Wow sad how some of these ppl who comment are so ignorant and racist, whether they know it or not. If you prejudge and stereotype any group of people as a whole without even getting to know the individual as a person, then u r being ignorant and racist. Don’t kid yourself. I’m sure you wouldn’t want to be judge from other peoples actions (I.e. if a “white girl” killed someone, would you agree or like it if someone called “all white girls are killers”? I’m sure not. And only someone ignorant would generalize and stereotype groups as a whole like that.)
I have been dating a Chinese girl (1st generation) for over a year now. She is the jewel of my life and I would do anything for her. Being White, i’ve dated many races but, like the author, have always been attracted to Asian women. Physical appearance is important, i won’t sugar coat it, but i truly love and respect Asian culture and history. I’m not a self hating White guy, but the time spent with my GF’s parents, relatives, and so on really gave me a unique perspective on the world.
After reading pages upon pages of comments made by people here, so many of you should be ashamed of yourself. Honestly, how can you judge someone for their preferences? Anyone who is racist towards a white man who is dating/married to an Asian women is simply insecure about themselves.
@ Author. Your post touched me. Your words communicated a confusion about (why people are the way they are) which i could relate to completely. This world is too small to hold naive opinions on the way things should be. What makes an Asian and White different? Looks? Intelligence? Culture? The answer is we are all born without any hate and prejudices. We are born in the most pure form we will even attain. As we grow older, those around us influence what we become. We grew up in the United States, hence seeing white/white couples is common and white/asian isn’t. Does that mean what is uncommon is wrong?
I’ll let you decide.
You have an Asian fetish. Stop trying to cover your ass!
The fact that we live in a world where it’s very easy to find white male/Asian female couples, but not Asian male/white female couples, or Asian male/Black female couples says something about the world we live in.
It’s called prejudice, racism, bigotry, and generally unfair. You yourself might not be a racist person, but your actions are contributing to the problem.
If you ever have kids with a an Asian woman at least teach them about what’s wrong with the world and how they can make it a better place.
Your comment is very confusion. You’ve made points that show you’re against and for the authors points.
If you are with the author, then i applaud you. I also apologize in advanced if i misread your statement and would ask for clarification.
If you are not with the author, i have this to say…
fet·ish
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–noun
2.
any object, idea, etc., eliciting unquestioning reverence, respect, or devotion: to make a fetish of high grades.
3.
Psychology . any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation.
Did you even read what you said? You are saying that if a white male is in a relationship with an asian female (“The Action”), that that couple is contributing to prejudice, racism, and bigotry (“Contributing to the problem”).
By the definition of racism, you have hate towards one or more races. If i was racist, would i be dating an asian girl? Sure i could still hate Black people, but the simple fact is; most people who are racist are equal opportunity racists and hate everyone that isn’t their own race.
By the above definition of FETISH, i’m assuming you mean that whenever i look at my Chinese GF, it causes habitual erotic responses or fixations. I love my GF for who she is, not what she looks like. If you truly view the world the way you do, i pity you. Life is too short to care what color our skin is.
There are some white/Black guys who seriously do have an Asian fetish, usually because of Asian porn and hentai. (Don’t even try to contradict me everyone reading this knows this to be true.) And by sleeping with an Asian girl they ARE contributing to the problem. The problematic idea of “OH I just saw a pornstar of Asian decent get butt fucked and then cummed on! I wanna do that to a girl too! And if Asian girls are easy like that I’ll just stick to them.”
But then again there are some sincerely GOOD people who can see past race, and then fall in love. I salute those people, but these days it’s hard to detect a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I’m so horny right now….
I wouldn’t disagree with your statement. I would say however to be more prudent in reading into someones words first before making bold statements. Those statements are known as logical fallacies. They are wrong.
i read what the guy wrote dummy. He’s basically a typical white guy with an Asian fetish and he’s either in denial or covering his ass to attract more Asian girls. For all I know you are too.
“if Asian girls are easy like that I’ll just stick to them.”
I can’t imagine that a guy who watches Asian porn makes a connection between what he sees and the “easiness” of the Asian women populace. If this were the case, why wouldn’t he draw the same conclusions after watching Caucasian porn?
“There are some white/Black guys who seriously do have an Asian fetish, usually because of Asian porn and hentai. (Don’t even try to contradict me everyone reading this knows this to be true.)”
First, I will contradict you, and secondly, you are wrong to say that “everyone” knows this to be true (after all, if all of us already know this, then why bother telling us to not contradict you? Silly!). I can agree that in some cases, the love/addiction that some guys have for hentai and/or anime can cause a stronger desire than normal for an Asian girl. However, it is ridiculous to say that it is “usually the case.” My main issue with your firm statement is this: where is your proof? Where is your documented research to back up your claim? You say that “everyone reading this knows this to be true,” yet you provide no facts backed up by any reputable source – just your own “hot air,” if you will. Facts! Domo arigato!
Lastly, about these “hentai/Asian porn-minded” guys you are talking about, just because they sleep with an Asian girl doesn’t mean they are contributing to “this problem.” You don’t even state what “this problem” is! Secondly, how can you say that a guy is doing something wrong by sleeping with an Asian girl while failing to mention the girl who is sleeping with him? If she had a problem with it, she can always say no…..you know??
-B.
What?? LOL
That’s a bit random!
The problem is not the fact that he happens to have an asian girlfriend, it’s the fact that he stated he preferred this race before any other and would actively seek it. If he has a preference for this race the author had better explain why, or all he will receive are creeped out responses and ridicule. Seriously, his article would be far more interesting if he would simply delved more than 1 inch deep into the subject of WHY he has this preference. What is it about the asian face or body or hair or eyes that elicits such a strong response?? I’m serious.. I really want to know. The problem is not with the interracial relationship, it is the fact that he would actively seek out asian girls before any other. When I meet a man like this, my first instinct is to run the other way, and with good reason. If you give a creep like this the time of day you will find a very sad fragment of a being. The asian preference is basically being more interested in WHAT someone is as opposed to WHO someone is.
That;s me. Random. Just call me Russian Roulette!
I know this Jay Spark guy and he Can not get white girls. He uses this ploy aka game on unsuspecting asian women. He is really just a desperado!
I’m a white guy, and have never thought of myself as having an Asian fetish, and still don’t, but that’s what numerous people around me judged to be the case many years ago when I was in a relationship with one of the ultimate steretypes – not just an Asian woman but a real, non-Americanized Asian woman – an exchange student from Vietnam.
To put things in perspective, she was the one and only Asian I was ever in a relationship with (every other relationship was with a white girl, including my wife). I don’t have any real preference race-wise; depends on the girl. But during the time I was in relationship with this Vietnamese exchange student, I started immediately getting negative reactions from others who were questioning my motives. Her Vietnamese schoolmates were also questioning her why she wanted to be in relationship with a white guy, and my Asian guy friends (and others) had similar concerns about me and what her motives might be, completly buying into steretypes and not clearly thinking that maybe, just maybe, we might love each other for other, normal reasons that had nothing to do with our particular race and a lot to do with things like common interest. I didn’t go out of my way to land a foreign student GF; it just happened – we had a few classes together and were both involved in the same campus club.
Looking back, I still think it’s unfortunate that others around me didn’t want to give us much of a chance and were too quick to judge. It was one of the best relationship I ever had. Sure, there were a few cultural differences, but we both appreciated each other and our differences, so it was no big deal. Women are women (and men are men) and there will always be differences and similarities that transcend race. We were similar in so many ways relative to the fact we grew up on opposite sides of the globe in two different cultures and religions.
My point is: Don’t judge if you know nothing of the situation at hand. Eyes can deceive, perception is not necessarily reality, and gossip can be the worst. I am comfortable with who I am and what’s important to me. I doubt that anyone reading this post would judge me as having a big Asian fetish or anything like that, but all it takes is one relationship, one situation that presents itself and people start jumping on the misinformation bandwagon and have to put some qualifier, or a big *asterix on the relationship. “He must be into her because she’s Asian….” blah blah blah.
Grow up people.
Thanks, that’s all
What you say might be true, but there are people who have worse lives than you. So do not complain! White MEN still dominate this country, you have it good. Sit down.
Do you have any idea how hard it is for an Asian guy growing up in the deep south, with an original Southern belle as a girlfriend? In the 60’s they would have linched me!
In a bad neighborhood in Washington DC, or The Bronx/Brooklyn New York… If you’re an Asian guy living with a Black/Hispanic girl the local hoods will try to cut off your balls and rape you up the ass… After they shoot at you!
There was a time in this nation’s history when something called the “Chinese Exclusion Act” existed. And just as how segregation and Jim Crow laws separated Blacks and Whites, The Chinese Exclusion Act prevented Asian men from bringing their wives to America & prevented them from settling down with American women.
Live, learn, and then just realize you have it better then some. (Especially since most Americans approve of White guys with Asian girls.)
There aren’t any studies to provide you with proof! Most people don’t care about Asian culture getting destroyed and it’s women getting taken advantage of by American men because WE ARE IN AMERICA! And even in Asia families will tell their daughters, “Oh marry white man. He give you money!” Because it’s true, and at the end of the day those parents just want their daughter to be provided for, even if she has to sellout a little.
Family Guy makes fun of this truth in the form of satyr all the time. And if you really need proof just type in “Asian porn” into Google. Nothing but Asian women getting fucked by white and black guys. But you hardly see it the other way around. Gee, I wonder why?!
It has to do with institutionalized racism. And no I can’t email you documented proof because it’s subtle, that’s why it’s called “institutionalized.”
Look. I’m not racist against white people. I’m an Asian guy. The first girl I ever had a crush on was white, my first girlfriend was Black. Most of my best guy friends have been either white, black, or brown… You get the picture. Sometimes, I’ve even played matchmaker between my friends and an Asian girl I knew because I knew they weren’t racist or sexist. I knew they respected my culture, I knew they were okay.
And then on a separate occasion, I had two friends named Sam and Robbin. They both had a thing for Asian girls, but somewhere in our friendship it got sour and every other word coming out of their mouths was “Ching chong ding dong.”
I just came home a few minutes ago. Right before I stepped upstairs I saw a white guy pressuring an Asian girl to work for him in his strip club on the corner on the street… He said, “I know what I like and I want you to work for me.” She said, Mm… I don’t know.” Do I really have to say more?
Amen!
White men still dominate this country? Only the rich ones, my friend. If you don’t have the cash, then you are completely ruled by women, as this country has be railroaded by ultra-feminism. The sad part is, the ones pushing the feminist agenda are tricking all of the women that this movement is the best thing for them, while the opposite is actually true: the extreme way things are being run now are actually causing more grief and trouble, not only for the men, but for the women and children as well.
It’s a messed up society and culture that has emerged in the United States of America. I, quite frankly, am sick of it, and am looking forward to the large amounts of time I will soon be spending in Asia.
“There aren’t any studies to provide you with proof!”
Oh? Honestly, what a silly thing to say. I asked you to show “proof” since you stated your opinion as if it was God’s own Truth, and you reply with “there is no proof?” Then why make the claim “Don’t even try to contradict me everyone reading this knows this to be true.” Well, with all due respect, how the heck does “everyone reading this” then know this to be “true,” if there is no proof? Don’t you think, at least just for a moment, that if this really were true that there would be something – maybe even just a little something – written about this, or a study of some sort? Do you honestly think that you could present your opinions likewise in a court of law and expect the judge and jury to set aside the fact that you yourself have no facts to back up your claims? Again, “silly” I say!
What I noticed in your second post, which was evident from your first post, is that you throw out statements that make no sense and expect us to just believe them. Example, you say? How about your very first sentence:
“Most people don’t care about Asian culture getting destroyed….”
What?? Are you being serious? Who are these people of which you speak? Are you even reflecting before you speak or are you just typing as fast as you can, allowing some pent-up emotions to be your guide? Do you truly believe that “most people don’t care about Asian culture getting destroyed?” I’m sorry if this sounds offensive, but it has to be said: that statement is nuts. I would venture to say that MOST people love the Asian culture and its heritage, or are on some level interested in the Asian culture and its history. The idea that MOST people don’t care about it being rendered asunder by some imaginary scheme (of which no believable case has yet been presented) is nothing short of crazy talk.
You also say “it’s women getting taken advantage of by American men because WE ARE IN AMERICA!” First of all, IF an Asian woman in America is being taken advantage of, what are the chances going to be it’s by an AMERICAN man? Think about the absurdity of your comment. The chances are very, very high that if she gets involved with a turd for a man, he’s going to be an American man, therefore this logic of yours makes no sense. Second, why do you continue to make Asian or Asian-American women look so fragile, vulnerable, gullible and stupid? Are they somehow unable to utilize their God-given brains and avoid these men who are so apt to “take advantage?” Are the American women here who are used FAR more in the pornography business not being “taken advantage of?” You need to remember something: every single one of us, Asian women included, have certain freedoms, and one of those is whether or not to allow any person to take advantage of us. Stop debasing Asian women – many of them are very smart from my experience (sometimes even a bit intimidating), and they tend to know what they want and what they’re looking for – especially the ones who were not born and raised here, but overseas (they haven’t been corrupted by the feminist propaganda in this country). Your last comment, “I saw a white guy pressuring an Asian girl to work for him in his strip club on the corner on the street… He said, “I know what I like and I want you to work for me.” She said, Mm… I don’t know.” Do I really have to say more?” – No sir, you have already said enough for me. Any man pressuring any girl to work at his strip club – Asian or otherwise – is a loser in my opinion. However, you have to remember: that Asian girl has a brain, and she has the power to say “Get lost, pervert, or I’m calling the cops.” Also, here’s a question for you: did you walk over there and tell the guy to buzz off? Yeah, I didn’t think so. Good job, there.
Another thing I’ll point out is the lewd, nasty and horrible content of your posts. Look back over what you wrote, why don’t you (chances are you don’t even remember what you wrote); what you’ll see is frequent, and specific references to pornography, in more detail than I care to investigate. Your “Googling” of Asian porn and the results of the contents of those videos is supposed to convince me that YOUR opinion is correct? The only things you’ve proven to us is that not only do you look at pornography yourself, you have looked at it for quite a long time – long enough to formulate many hardcore beliefs about the content. And, did you ever consider the following? Are you searching in English on the English Google? Don’t you think that, oh, I don’t know, perhaps when people search in English for “Asian porn,” they’re going to get English-type guys having sex with Asian women? Just a theory. See? I just did you a favor! Now you don’t have to say any longer, “Gee, I wonder why?” Now you know! (You’re welcome)
These Asian parents that you are talking about, telling their daughters to marry an American – where the heck are they? Where did they come from? Are they poor Americans, or poor Asians living in another country who are trying to get their daughters married off to Americans? I honestly don’t know any Asian families living here in the USA who are so poor that they’re trying to get their daughters married off to American men “just for the money.” That’s nonsense! Secondly, how in the heck is marrying an American guy “selling out?” Is marrying an American a “sin?” That’s a very racist remark you made there, and to be very blunt and truthful, you have revealed through your posts that not only are you angry, bitter and jealous against American men, you are also angry, bitter and jealous against Asian women. Why? I have no idea. Perhaps the Asian women that you have dated (or tried to) did not like who you were, and by seeing them with men who are not Asian, you have become angry. Whatever the reason, it is obvious that you have taken a very hateful stance toward American men as well as women from your own ethnicity group. Such a pity.
I, however, did take the time to check out some research that has been done pertaining to this topic of white man/Asian woman, even though I have yet to receive the same type of courtesy from you:
(The following taken from a Wikipedia quoted article)
Columbia University Study on Racial Preferences in Dating
In 2007 economist Ray Fisman, in a two-year study he co-authored on dating preferences among Columbia University students, did not find evidence of a general preference among white men for Asian women. Furthermore, the study found that there is a significantly higher pairing of white men with East Asian women simply because East Asian women discriminate racially against black and hispanic men. As quoted on Slate.com, and also reported in the Washington Post and The Review of Economic Studies (a publication of the London School of Economics and Political Science)
We found no evidence of the stereotype of a white male preference for East Asian women. However, we also found that East Asian women did not discriminate against white men (only against black and
Hispanic men). As a result, the white man-Asian woman pairing was the most common form of interracial dating—but because of the women’s neutrality, not the men’s pronounced preference. Men don’t seem to discriminate based on race when it comes to dating. A woman’s race had no effect on the men’s choices.
The study was carried out over two years and was conducted by economists Ray Fisman (lead researcher from Columbia University) and Emir Kamenica (University of Chicago), as well as psychologists Sheena Iyengar (Columbia University) and Itamar Simonson (Stanford). They took data from “thousands of decisions made by more than 400 daters from Columbia University’s various graduate and professional schools.”
Hmm….interesting, isn’t it?
-Brandon
I don’t think their is a need to be “creeped out” about someones dating preference. The world is getting so small now, and many cultures that previously had not access to each other now do. I know of women who won’t date Latino men for their supposed macho instincts. British women are famous for going “mad” while on holiday in the Mediterranean, because they find the men their much more interesting the men in the UK.
People are people, and sometimes they do get turned on by certain cultural or ethnic preferences. There are worse things in life.
I am a SWM who lives in Vancouver BC which has a significant Asian population. I confess that I have two prejudices towards Asian women which if I may, I’ll briefly share…
1) I find that Asian women are much more accepting of chivalry. I take transit everyday to work. I sit all day at a desk, so if I am sitting down on the train or bus, and a women get’s on (and it’s obvious that she is looking for a free seat), I’ll offer up my seat to her. Now when I offer up my seat to a caucasian woman, 50% of the time, she will refuse. Often bluntly too. However I have yet to have an Asian women decline my offer. They most often will initially say they are okay, but then I politely offer my seat again, and they will then accept my offer and say thanks. Asian women seem to not struggle with trying to be politically correct.
2) In my experience, asian women that I have worked with have a far better work ethic than their white counterparts. They are more detailed oriented, are more punctual, and do not have an entitlement attitude that I have unfortunately experienced with caucasian women. This is especially true for younger employees for some reason.
Those are my two cents..
This Asian Boy speaks on Dating White Women
How about Asian men who have a fetish for white girls?
If Asian guys were going out with white girls more this forum wouldn’t be so crazy. The problem is that Asian guys are wussies (yea, I said it)
They need to learn the art of the flirting again..from Asian guys who just “get it”
Where Can You Find These Guys? ==>Asian Pimp Status
“Asian Pimp Status?” LOL
-Whatever.
Hi. I’ve been searching for information about why I am more attracted to Asian women than other races. It is very hard to find anything that is scientific. I have many theories myself and I change my mind a lot of times on there validity.
One thing I find a lot when searching is hate and racism. Amoungst people who think it’s wrong or creepy and amoungst people who think it’s ok. I am sure that there are hundreds of different reasons and motivations for people who prefer asians. Some good and some bad.
I’d like to get more understanding of my own reasons. I hope I don’t find out that it’s only because I’m creepy.
I feel I respect all women for who they are but I couldn’t stop myself from asking my now wife to dance the first time I saw her.
My 23 year old, half asian, half caucasian son tells me it’s hard for him to find caucasian girls who will date him because of his race. He brought up the point that he sees lots of caucasian men with asian women but not the other way around. I told him that although that is true,I have seen many asian men with caucasian women here. I live in Denver, CO and he lives in Wisconsin. I said even if there are lots of girls that won’t date him because of race there are lots who don’t care about race. Just look for a nice girl who you like, who likes you. I hope he doesn’t care about her race either.
I agree this is often the case. From my experience, asian women tend to prefer asian men. it tends to be the asian women who cannot get decent looking asian men who date more white guys. of course this isn’t a hard rule that always apply, but just a general observation based on what I’ve seen.
its ok if you have your own preferences…. so go for what you like… 🙂
You shouldn’t have to explain who you like, it’s you and your partner is the most important. Lots women wish that they could find someone like you. Who ever you meet, the lady will be lucky one.
Wow..I didn’t know there are a lot of white guys prefer the asian girl. basically I’m a chinese indonesian girl and I prefer white guys rather than the asians n I don’t really know why. And I heard a lot of rumors that asian women are dying to get white men because of the social status..well I’m totally DISAGREE with this.. You know it’s just about what’s your type and preference..I’m sure every body has their own dream women / men..
FINALLY, a mature, well-written article showing the viewpoint of someone who likes to date certain women due to PREFERENCE (there are some really awful, degrading comments out there about Asian fever and all). I get Spark’s drift: it doesn’t matter if the preference is race, hair colour, or even if the person has to wear glasses. I understand what he’s saying, because as much as I try, I cannot understand WHY I am attracted to Caucasian men (I am a Chinese female). I agree, that some people cannot explain their preference. Just look at the issue of sexual orientation. Some people just know that they are heterosexual once they are aware of their sexuality and start exploring with relationships & dating, while some others know that they are homosexual since they were young (I say some because others later in life might be more experimental and go the other way, or both).
I do not think, by all means, that Caucasian men are the “best” and the “dominant race”. I would not go for just any Caucasian man. There are ALL types of people in ANY race, which people tend to forget, or not even think about. So, put it this way, I would not date a Caucasian man who is shy and does not like to try new things. Personality does count.
Why do some men like women with blond hair? Big breasts? It might be because of the media, but not all men like that. In the case with women, not all women might be attracted to men with six packs. So, we should not make generalizations about women, men, and race (in the context of dating). For example, not all Asian men are shy! This is an absolutely ridiculous thought. Personality is shaped by environment and experiences. As hard as I try, even if I come across a confident Asian man (as I am attracted by confident men), I cannot see myself dating him, because I am not attracted to the Asian look. I have always thought this way, ever since I knew I was attracted to the opposite sex.
Some people might think that I am shallow, and that love & attraction runs deeper than looks. I am completely aware of that. I always look for someone whom I am both attracted to on the inside (their personality) and out. But can you really force someone to date a person who was not attractive to you (on the outside)? Let’s not forget that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder”.
Good for you, Sparks, for trying to enlighten the rest of the idiots who seem to think that there is something wrong with you if you date a certain kind of person. Not all people have some kind of fetish. I think that it is just a small percentage, as you see way more same-race couples then mixed-race. Again, it is preference, and sometimes, it cannot be explained.
I completely agree. Although I am a Chinese female, I too am so tired of reading of how white guys think Asian (I am assuming Oriental, such as Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Thai) women are the hottest. There are attractive women in every race. Same goes for men!
Keep in mind, that those Asian women that you say chase all your white male friends is not representative of the whole Oriental women sector. I am not like that and I have friends not like that, so it’s safe to say that again, it depends on the woman, NOT women as a whole. No race is superior than any other race.
Just to add on, I am not racist; I have friends from all races. I also believe that everyone is equal. I am just merely trying to support what Spark may be feeling, and that he is not be the only one. Even if he was lying, and using this article as some kind of ploy, there are genuinely some people out there, like myself, who may just be attracted to certain types of looks, in addition to having a personality that is attractive. I am trying to show my view on this particular issue.
Again, I would not go for just any white man just because he is white. It is so much more than that, but for some people, having a nice appearance counts as well (keeping in mind, whatever your preference is). People may have harsh perspectives on dating a certain race, but I know what I like and I know I would not be attracted to another type of race. People shouldn’t be ashamed by this, because honestly, how can you justify in liking a certain trait (fat, tall, skinny, big lips, etc.) or a certain gender?
Anony, you are right. There are all types of female body types. I am Chinese and I tend to attract attention from other races, because I do not have the typical small frame of an Oriental (I am curvy, blessed with full lips and a round bottom). Some men like the curvy look, some men might not. Though I think more men prefer women with curves, because it’s got to do with biology. When seeking mates, men prefer curvy women because it signals fertility and good health.
I’ve thought about this from time to time, although not nearly as deeply as Jay.
Growing up, I never met or knew anyone of any Asian ancestry. The Marine Corps sent me to Japan, and I remember thinking how strange it all looked, including the people. I taught an English conversation class in a small town far from the base, and got to know the people in the class well. (This was voluntary and a good way to get out of the bars and build some good will in the community.) There were some single girls, some cute, in the class but no mutual attraction. The people in the class took me into their homes, and around Western Japan, and showed me Japan that tourists will never see. I took Japanese classes as well, and even a basic knowledge of the language made being there much more enjoyable.
Years later, a co-worker needed someone to teach his class in a different city. Walking into the classroom, I saw three cute girls sitting together. Since this class was a different night, I kept coming back. We always went out for coffee with some of the students after class before catching the train. I always sat next to the same girl, somehow, and we always walked back to the train station together, and we started dating, and several months later we decided to get married, and we did. I was scared about how it would work out, but there was no way I was leaving without this girl. Her parents were truly amazing people, survivors of the Hiroshima bombing, but more concerned about the happiness of their daughter than any animosity toward America. Going to meet them for the first time was harder than the worst day of boot camp.
Thirty five years and three adult children later, she’s still the best thing that ever happened in my life. Not because she’s Japanese, although that adds something different, but because she’s still cute, funny, and wonderful. Yes, we’ve had language and cultural differences that some people never had to deal with, but I’d do it over again. Like the song goes, “she likes me for me.”
I find a subset of Asian girls very attractive. I suspect it’s just due to the years I spent in Japan. I don’t think all, or even most Asian women are attracive, but among the women I find attractive, most are Asian. I guess it’s what I became accustomed to. I don’t see it as a fetish or anything I could change (and why would I want to?) It’s just me.
I don’t find being attracted to a type unusual at all. Have you seen the pictures of Rod Stewart’s wives? Can you tell them apart? He knows what he likes.
I have never been solely attracted to a race other than my own.As a white male,I find Oriental Asian girls Exotic and alluring,but I find the idea of only dating Asian girls ridiculous and completely racist.If someone interests you and you find them interesting and you share common values,than great,but to seek out another race to date exclusively shows a self loathing that needs to be addressed.
You have an asian fetish. =)
Um i agree with the author. Im chinese but for some reason im only attracted to white guys and i have noticed a pattern. they all seem to have blonde hair, blue eyes and tall (whether the guy is goodlooking or not they tend to share similar characteristics). its just a personal preference it has nothing to do with being racist. I have friends of every race and i have gone on dates with other race but i am not sexually attracted to them…its not like i can force myself to date a chinese guy…and i most definitely do not have a fetish i simply get alone with white guys better and im not attracted to white guys who have really dark features or hair…i mean i can’t explain why but its an initial attraction, its not planned or anything…seriously some people need to quit being haters.
let’s get something straight. The MAJORITY of white guys who like hooking up and dating Asian girls have an ASIAN FETISH. EVERYONE KNOWS IT. That’s why 99% of the people that go to those nasty ASIAN massage parlors are WHITE. I know because I hear it from you douchebags ALL THE TIME. These so called white friends I have also LOVE to ask me questions about Asian girls and how they are in bed and think I’m going to high five their dumbass when they tell me that they went to these dirty places or to southeast Asia to hook up with prostitutes out there.
BTW, ASIAN GUYS do go out with white girls. Most Asian guys just find Asian girls more attractive and can relate with them better.
I’m sorry, but I have to say that you sound like virtually every single Asian guy I’ve ever met or known… Why are you so bitter about Asian women dating Caucasian men? Why is it that Asian men’s preference for Asian women can be characterized as “we find them more attractive and can relate to them better”, whereas white men’s preference for Asian women is, “in 99% of all cases,” the desire to screw around with an Asian piece of meat, only to be found in places like dingy massage parlors?
I have dated many Asian and white guys, and I don’t have a strong preference either way. However, I do get insulted at the insinuation that 99% of all my white ex-boyfriends are nothing but horny, asian-girl predators. Almost all of them were my friends long before we got into a relationship, and all of them have remained my friends since. I’m sorry, I realize that this is only your point of view, but I also wanted to get my perspective across.
Thank you for putting together a coherent and logical argument about interracial dating. Finally, someone who can initiate a conversation without resorting to demeaning stereotypes and curse words! Good for you =]
Okay. This is utter bullshit and you know it. Mutts are RARELY healthier than their pure bred counterparts. First of all, regarding continuous traits such as intelligence, athleticism, etc. and mixed children having better traits than their pure bred colleagues is flat out wrong.
What actually happens is that the mixed-raced child will fall in between the averages of the two races. For example, the IQ and GPA of mulatto children are between that of whites and blacks. Same could be said for other traits.
As far as subjectivity goes, please dont give links to celebrities, as that is a biased sample base to choose from (as to be a celebrity in the first place, you must be attractive). I can easily link more pictures of beautiful pure breeds.
Now, the reason why stagnancy occurs is that there’s no evolutionary reason for it to change. So what if it remains stagnant? If the combo of traits back in the day still are advantageous now, then there shouldn’t be changes. Outbreeding can also get rid of recessive traits that would be advantageous to have (such as sickle cell in a malaria filled region) just for the pure fact that these recessive alleles were naturally selected for that specific environment. And yes, the notion that some genes just dont mix well together and causes the offspring to be less fit is a valid one, because we see it in the animal kingdom all the time (Ligers and Mules). One thing you dont mention about hybrid vigour is that hybrid vigour only applies to the F1 generation. After F1, out breeding depression kicks in and suddenly, the descendants of a mixed race union is actually less fit than their pure breed ones. I’ll give you an example. It’s possible for mixed children to inherit the recessive alleles of BOTH races. It will not be expressed of course. However, they are now carriers of it. You know what that means? F2 generation can now get BOTH of the race’s deleterious recessive alleles expressed. This is precisely why farmers sterilize hybrids and never let them reproduce and this is only if the farmers even decide something like that. Most of the time, the risk of outbreeding depression DOES NOT outweigh the benefits from hybrid vigour. In fact, offsprings of hybrids (F2 and beyond) tend to be less stable than pure breeds.
I am so happy for you! I do not believe in the Asian Fetish thing at all. Please ignore the jealous and cruel comment left by Anonymous.
At the same time, I have to say that it is ridiculous to say that Caucasian women are cruel. However, I do think that they cannot ignore the fact that more and more Caucasian men are opting to be with non-caucasian women. Perhaps, there is a lesson to learn from this. There are certain trends in society. That is one trend. Another trend that is impossible to ignore is men of the baby boomer generation leaving their original partners for women 10-20 years younger in droves. The obvious lessons to be learned here is that you can never let yourself go just bc you are married, sex is always important to men and being a die-hard feminist is a major turn-off to men.
Your “Japanese Princess” probably makes you feel like you are ten feet tall! I notice that alot of Asian women compliment their men and act adoringly in public with them, including myself. What man doesn’t want a woman who admires and adores him? Just like the saying goes, “nothing is more attractive to a man than a woman who is in love with him.”
Want to know what white guys really think of Asian women? Read the comments on here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ8xDSEqzto
one dolla. Fuckee long time. Me friend you.
I have been married to my Japanese wife for 22 years, prior to her I never dated or had relations with Asian women. As a matter of fact at the time I met her I broke up with a Caucasian female, proving to me as all the others had in the past, that they cannot be depended upon or trusted.
I am so happy that by the grace of God, that he opened my eyes to see that race has little to do with anything and steered my course right into the arms of my Japanese Princess whom I love more today than yesterday.
Now to all the finger-pointing Fetish accusers, how does this story hit you?
To all the males out their in a relationship with an Asian female, I can only tell you this with confidence and proof by a marriage that has lasted almost 23 years and is still going strong, do not listen to the haters, you too can find love and happiness with your Asian princess and take it from an older experienced man, Asian woman have no equal. – Happy, married Caucasian guy.
There seem to be some very jealous non-asian women on this site who make very crude comments.
Your comment is completely inappropriate. This site is for beautiful, intelligent and accomplished Asian Women!
It amazes me how people can be so narrow minded and stereotypical. These people making rude comments about this interesting article just sound so bitter to me… as least some people go out of their way to be cultured, to find someone they are in love with (no matter what race or cultural background as it’s their personal preference).
I’m the daughter of a Filipino mother and English father and I’ve witnessed a lot of racial comments insulting my mother, telling her she is a gold digger and that my father ordered her through the mail (sigh). But these ignorant people don’t know anything about my background and how my mum and dad got together, and what goes on behind closed doors. They have nothing else better to do with their lives than show hate when it has nothing to do with them.
What are the bitter people going to do about it? Force someone to love another in which they are not personally attracted to? People do have free will…
Maz,
I am so sorry that you had to be subjected to such awful criticism. I have been subjected to similar type bitterness. I believe the point of this article was to defend a caucasian man’s preference of Asian Women. For some crazy reason, that seems to offend many women who are caucasian.
The new millenium is one where the old stereotypes no longer hold any value. I will only share my life with a person who makes me feel better when I am with them than when I am alone and who brings out the best in me. Just like people have free will to love anyone they choose, unfortunately, there are people who have the free will to express ignorant opinions.
Written by another asian women with white fetishes. Well, I ain’t gonna love you long time here.
wtf i hate cheese……..
and yellow staff…
nahhh not my type…
and i hate that face too “>.<" asian girls make me vomit.... why should i stick my dick up an asian yellow ass?? dude i can get MUCH better 😉
ha what a an ugly mix…
Well, I thought by now most people (men in particular) would pretty much go with “if she’s beautiful, it doesn’t much matter what race she is”. I am in a long term relationship with a wonderful Thai girl, but I didn’t specifically go out and “hook me an Asian”. It just happens to be that I am open enough to see the opportunity there. Culturally, we are very different. But I’m open enough to appreciate those differences, and accept them the way they are. In the end, regardless of what race we are, we are far more alike than we are different and it takes a certain mindset to keep that in perspective each and every day.
Racist pinheads will comment stupidly; pay no mind.
I think the article was a fine attempt to describe your feelings, but bigots who are incapable of seeing past their very small world will not benefit from your attempts. Don’t worry about them…their retarded comments pretty much speak volumes about their own situation…frustrated, alone, and wondering if they are gay or not.
Bravo, well said.
>>> There seem to be some very jealous non-asian women on this site who make very crude comments. <<< It's soo true! lol White women always freak out about Asian women!!
For those of you who are white women that are complaining, you should at least try to date men of other races even asian men (even though they have smaller egg roles)…”What’s cooking hot stuff?”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq5Si3oSdkg
Check out the trailer for this award winning documentary. Its about White women who go to Asia to hook up with Asian men. Also, read the comments of white guys on youtube. Pretty damn racist.
I’ve dated guys from different backgrounds and i find each one of them got something about them that no other guy got so really to me when it comes to dating someone the last thing i would think or worry about is hes looks,race,money etc….
im a white girl and at the moment im dating an asian guy hes cool cute and caring and makes me laugh…. WHAT ELSE DO I WANT!
my friends and people that are close to me thinks im weird or got a bad taste for dating an asian guy wft?? but thats not a problem i wouldnt care about what others say or think cause i know whats the best for me.
And not cause im dating an asian guy at the moment that doesnt mean im gona end up with an asian and even if i did i wouldnt mind atleast hes gona be the right guy for me that understands me and treats me well..
xx~
PS: i have seen alot of white girls with asian guys and asian girls with white guys nothing is wrong with that… 😉
wow this is cool!
You mean the old stereotype for whites and Asians. But the stereotypes that Asian women have against black and Latino men will still stand. That girl’s mother got her father as a trophy white husband to show to all her Asian friends and to move uP in society.
I am typing this with several cute blonde’s and a few cute black girls in mind. Right now, I have my alarm set for an early time, as I have a meeting in the morning and hope to meet a few light haired girls.
I was not always this way. Only a few months ago, I moved to an urban area, to ensure diversity (meaning in my mind, at the time, plenty of asian women)
Well one say I was crossing a major road and the next thing I know, I am in the hospital. Apparently, I flew 24 feet, inhaled my own vomit, and survived. I also survived several mistakes the doctors made while trying to ensure my survival.
Now, having been out of the hospital for several months, I look back and am amazed at my survival. I also have a strange thought in my mind. Want to know what that is?
Getting hit by a van was divine intervention. Yes, I believe in the Lord, but do not paint me a close minded idiot.
The fact that I survived so much, and the fact that less than 1% of the people who obtain TBI (Traumatic Brain Injury) survive their accident without broken bones or lost memories, makes me think that God, or an angel at least, must have been involved. While I had the asian fetish, I tried very hard to relieve it from my subconscious. Alas my efforts were in vain, and so I begged God.
This is why I think God was behind the accident.
I will post more at another time, but as of now I am tired.
huh…im lost lol
And now to continue where I left off:
Listen, to all non-asian men that like asian girls, I will speak only the truth, drawn from my experience as an asiaphile:
First off, you will likely never get the asian girl you want. She may be what you are looking for personality wise, but she will be uglier than sin. She might be sexy, like the asian version of Megan Fox, but she will likely be a total bitch. The chances of you getting a beautiful asian girl, who does not nag you on a constant basis, are slim to none.
Second off, many people will think you are abnormal if you will only date asian girls. One time I was in my chemistry class, and someone pointed to a girl and said “wouldnt you fuck that girl if given the chance”. Once I said no, and explained that she was not my type, they asked “then what IS your type”? I responded “Im more into asian girls” From that point onward, I never heard the end of it from that class.
Lastly, going after asian girls narrows your chances so much, you may never find absolute happiness. What I mean is, you can have your dream career, a nice house, an awesome group of friends, and a seemingly never ending supply of cash, but you will still feel incomplete, if you have never met that perfect girl.
To all you asiaphiles, do all you can do to fix yourselves. I remember being asiaphiliac, and it was pure misery. I am not proposing you jump in front of a van, I am only saying that you should try your best to overcome being an asiaphile. Otherwise, you will only find yourself laughed at, spat upon, and alone.
racist!!!
grow up and show some respect!
hmm.. I think white men are handsome.
But I usually prefer asian men more than white men
They have charm that white men don’t have and we share same traditional values.
It’s important to me 🙂
I’m racist? IM RACIST!?
Well excuse me for encouraging men to fuck their own race and discouraging interracial fucking due to stereotypes.
hunny life is not only about fucking o.o
i<3 my korean bf!
I find white dudes that are into only asian women creepy. It’s a sexual fetish for them, just like guys who are into big boobs or legs or something. They probabaly have a sizable collection asian related porn. Yet a lot of asian women don’t seem to mind this.This probably says something about their character and morals. Being an asian male I feel betrayed and personally insulted by this situation. It shows that asian women generally don’t care about their culture. If they go in a relationship with a white male, then they should start hanging around white people all the time. They should stop seeing their families as well, seeing as their own father is not good enough for them. I don’t care that white women are racist and are not attracted to us, hell I don’t find them attractive either, but the situation where a person rejects their own race is the ultimate betrayal. They are the worst kind of racist, ie discriminating against their own people. My message to them- SHOW SOME FRIGGIN PRIDE IN YOUR OWN RACE! We’ve got much to be proud of!
Mate, if the situation was reversed, and lots of white women were into asian guys , and no asian women into white guys , all you whitey fellers would kick up a HUGE stink, guaranteed. Imagine all the white skin-heads who would be out crying about it. It’s only that asian guys are overly -passive that you don’t hear more on the topic.
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I’m sorry, but you are a racist, by definition. The worst kind IMO.
why don’t you show some pride in your own race?!!!
It’s also a fact that most of the men who travel to Thailand preying on the underage kids there are white Australians, and not from other industrialised countries such as China, Japan or Korea (even though they are closer geographically). This tells you that they also have a fetish for children as well.
So u look at other guys’ penises a lot do you?
Yeah, that’s what gets me. Why is it , on this earth, that having a white person as a partner , is considered more prestigious than an asian partner (or black or indian, for that matter)? God has really made this world for whiteys eh? I’ve grown up in Australia, and I can tell you from experience that caucasians are the most racist thugs on this earth. It’s well documented how racist they are. Indian migrants are targeted for beatings (one person died as a result of being insulted). Here are some words- Ku Klux Clan, Hitler, The White Australia Policy (which was enforced until only a few decades ago), apartheid, The Stolen Generations,black slave trading….how much time do you have to read?…I can go on. It’s also a fact that most of the men who take advantage of the underage sex trade in Thailand are from Australia.Not from other industrialised neighbours in asia. In my time growing up in Sydney , I heard several stories from my mates of how their dad would arrive home drunk from a bar, and beat his wife. This will tell you something of the character of your average white male. Asian girls think about what I’ve written.
There seem to be a lot of asian girls here who say they are more attracted to white men than asian men, and say they are not racist. The fact is they ARE racist. Look up the definition in the dictionary. The interesting thing is you’d NEVER EVER find a white woman who would say they’re not attracted to white guys.
Whatever, I never said all two people have to do with each other is fuck. I was saying that, basically, that people should like their own race as well as, if not more than, any other.
The accident happened to show that you should not love or like for a fetish. If you like asian women, it is a fetish, even if you are not obsessed with the culture. If you like the eyes, its a fetish for asian eyes. If you like black hair, then black hair comes with every race. If you like them for their “slanted vagina” which they apparently have, according to drunk college frat boys’ then you have a fetish AND you’re a dumbass.
I have been where you are, asiaphiles, and If I could tell you all what the cure was, I would. For me? I got hit by a van, and like a lot of TV shows say “Do not attempt to reenact any of the stunts performed by Van-Struck, serious injury or death may occur.” It was only because of luck that I survived and am living still today. I heard from one guy who had jungle fever that dating white girls helps, but I have not tested this.
But cure yourself by any means necessary, or wind up alone (or with some fatass, insecure, ugly bitch). You may think that your attraction has nothing to do with stereotypes now, but after being cured you will realize your mistake.
Anyways, if anyone has any other questions about asiaphiles, I will answer them.
beautiful asian girls don’t date white losers.
only ugly ass do date white :/
I won’t even date an asian guy. White guys just look better and have better personalities.
You don’t see white girls with asian guys for the same reasons.
Simple really.
Stop this nonsense! I don’t care anymore.
I’m Asian girl, most white guys don’t date Asian girls because us Asian girls looks stupid in a relationship. It’s okay to be alone because this right here had nothing to do with racist!
Now Stop it!
Us Asian girls would be hurt like any other girls with a broken heart.
Just let any guys have fun loving with white haspanic girls, black girls, white girls, and others. Let these couples abused Asian girls for being single out. I have seen this before because it’s so stupid.
dont be too sure i know couple of white females that date asian guys and im one of those females…
not really.
I only see in New York.
Wow. You have a good understanding of this “issue.” I like your opinion. I feel that I could learn something from your experience, because most of the girls I know are Asian. 😉
sure… you do.
I think that because of global immigration, men and women have more chances of meeting and interacting with other people of different cultural backgrounds.
Back in the 1900s, for example, everyone basically lived in their home countries, but once transportation improved eg. planes were invented etc. people started to move to other countries .
Also, as cultural barriers break down, eg. language, prejudices, etc. more people are willing to date others as we are more educated than our ancestors who had negative experiences with foreigners.
seeing a mixed race couple will no longer appear anything unusual in 20 years (or less)from now.
I just think that since caucasian men have more choices , they pick the women who they like, and there is a higher chance it will be someone who is not caucasian.
asian women will also have more choices, too.
Your a dumbass…..
So what your saying is that you find inter-racial couples disgusting, therefore noone should be allowed to date someone not their race, and that if they do, that we’re just giving god a big middle finger, and he saved your life by trying to kill you?
Alright, well when you’re dictator of the world, ill make sure to have a revolver bedside so I dont have to live in your mono-tone world.
By the way, what do you think of Nazis?
Stupid racist.
I know ALOT of white girls who like white guys, and the definition of racism is “discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race”. This is NOT racist; it’s a personal preference of asian females over non-asian females. You can’t control that any more than being gay. You can cover it up, you can pretend, you can hide, but it’s what you want and like. It goes back to the days of natural selection and finding traits that you think are positive, so that your children can survive, as well as personal preference (a human-specific emotion in the SUBCONSCIOUS BRAIN.)
Not you, the close minded guy. Lol.
Alright, so I have finally built up the courage and liquid courage to express to you guys MY theory of asiaphilia.
So basically, my name is van-struck because I was supposedly hit by a van. I do not remember getting hit by a van. The report says that I walked in front of the van, which I dont believe I would ever do.
Much earlier on, about 5 months before the incident, my friend Joe told me one day that he had an odd dream where aliens had abducted him. He was an asiaphile to, at the time. He told me he remembered them drilling into his head in the dream, and he had a headache in the came exact spot they were drilling. Then, somehow, miraculously, he no longer likes asian girls within a week from when he told me.
Now everyone, I want you all to imagine this:
Back in the 40’s an alien race observes the earth from afar, hoping it will some day be possible to harvest life from our planet. Then one day, likely predicted by at least a few of the aliens, an asian country is devastated by a large explosion, and the radiation. The aliens, having witnessed this, decide that if too many A-bombs are used, there will be no life to harvest from our planet. So they begin working on a certain drug, using their super-intelligence. With it they attempt to create peace between Asia and America.
Soldiers of the U.S. then start coming home with women from Japan.
My theory makes it so obvious to me: It is not the media of the united states that causes everyone to think asian girls are hot, ALIENS DID IT!
You want me to prove my theory? Well first I would like you to DIS-prove it.
lmao your cool 😉
bro i use those asian bitchs for money and sex cheap fugly sluts xD
No its true! And the aliens are now trying to cure everyone with yellow fever, seeing as it caused only trouble between whites and asians. This explains the accident and Joes strange dream.
That’s totally faults!
White guys and Asian girls together never date each other becuase white guys hate Asian girls.
White guys goes for only white girls.
I never seen white girls date Asian guys. I just don’t know why.
lmao asians all look the same…i cant tell between them they all got fucked up nose with fucked up eyes and stinks like hell….. o.o
I agree with everyone who HATES your guts right now.
Hope you know that you sound like an absolute idiot… what you are saying makes no sense so stop trying to preach to people about your stupid stories.
too bad you cant do that with pretty bitches cuz you are probably so ugly to have to sleep with ugly asian bitches.
lol
But the reverse is getting more popular; there is a trend rising where lot more white girls are dating Asian men. I base it on: http://www.AsianCaucasianTurf.com
People that are willing to have good grades detect a professional buy paper to buy their free term papers at. These actions I do as well.
Alot of girls or boys do commit suicides for many reasons. People talk shits and then someone gets hurt. What a shame person you are. Beside, I really felt bad for a girl or a boy. She/he stay back far behind because peoples like you mistreated them like nothing? You’re one of a bullies, I ever known.
R.I.P for peoples who had commit suicides. Who been abuse and mistreated by bullies in this real world. Bullies needed to go to HELL! It can happen in jobs, schools, colleges, relationships, peoples, animals, and the world.
“What just happened to these peoples?”
“Why?”
Jay,
You aren’t ready for a relationship with an Asian woman, or one of any race.
If you have to rattle on trying to justify to everyone your attraction to Asian women, you are seriously in need of long-term counseling. Before you can have a meaningful relationship, even with your pet gerbil, you need to sort out your many issues, your issues with insecurity and a lack of an identity.
My friends, or anyone else, don’t choose who I want to be with; moreover, I wouldn’t have such friends who don’t have a life of their own and a sense of security.
“I can’t recall hearing a positive reaction to a white guy preferring Asian women. People often say negative or neutral things, but rarely positive.”
So, to make such a statement, who are you around? You sound as though you go to a lot of Tea Bag Party rallies, and that you go to a lot of monster truck shows, professional wrestling, NASCAR races. I bet you love to bowl and to go to gun shows, that you go to blue collar bars and play grab-ass with your buddies. If you were ever around educated people, you would never hear such talk. Truly educated people aren’t concerned with such things…or what the Kardashians are doing!
I am married to a young woman from Taiwan who is beautiful inside and outside. Both of us are very highly educated (she has a Ph.D. in mathematics from Princeton, and I have a Ph.D. in medical physics from MIT. We are both high in our professions as researchers, that require that we travel frequently worldwide.
We live in Seattle, WA, which is a beautiful, liberal, multi-cultured, international city. The people on the west coast are much more open-minded and unconcerned about inter-racial dating and marriage.
Obviously, many who have responded to Jay’s confessions of great inner-turmoil are uneducated, inbred white trash who can’t even get their own hand into bed (or in the back seat of their old junkers) with them, even for money!
So, Jay and gang, Asian women should have nothing whatsoever to do with any of you. They certainly don’t need for you to spread your little filthy lies about getting them into bed with the likes of you!
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I’m the product of an interracial Asian/white relationship like you and Esther’s. My white father always lets me know how disappointed and disgusted he is in the fact that I pretty much look 100% white
(by “white” I mean that I look Mediterranean or Hispanic, not necessarily what most would think of as “white” but not stereotypically “Asian looking” either) at the same time he seems to simultaneously despise the fact that I don’t “look like” him.He often brought it up when he was angry with me as a child….how I must not be “his” because I don’t resemble him nor my mother.
Are you going to make your future mixed race kids feel like crap (unintentionally of course) for not fitting into Asian standards of beauty since you put Asian beauty on such a pedestal and give it such an “exotic mystery”?….( holy run on sentence )
I wish more than anything that I could look like my Asian mother. but I never will.Many people tell me that I am beautiful, but I will never believe it because I don’t look Asian enough. Hopefully you’ll never make your kids feel like me….but since you uphold Asian beauty so much you probably will make your future daughters feel like a disgusting undesirable nothing piece of crap for having double eyelids and brown , not exotic black hair.
I’m wary of any man who shows a strong preference towards x or y race. I’ve met men who’d get a gleam in their eye as soon as they found out my racial background or say something or rather about “exotic” and it disgusted me. People of any race can have the set of features that cater to someone’s preference. There are Caucasians with mono-lids and dark hair….Asians with brown hair and double eyelids. It’s very bleeding heart of me to say this but race shouldn’t matter since it’s not as concrete as we’d all like to think and any race can have “out of the box” features.
What about native American women….many have similar features to Asian women and my Japanese mother has been mistaken for Inuit on several occasions. Do you find Native American (specifically tribes with little admixture and rather Asian features ex Inuit attractive? Or are you not attracted to them because they are not Asian, even though they look it. I’m not going to say the author is a “creep” or that he doesn’t posses the ability to see past a woman’s race or specifically being Asian….but I will say that he tends to put far too much emphasis on “Asian features” and “Asian beauty”…..
OH STFU! He wasn’t bullying jay he was setting him straight. iF YOU HAD AN OUNCE ON INTELLIGENCE YOU’D SEE THAT
Jay,looking for what you had with Esther is alright but you will NEVER have a serious relationship if you just look for Asian women because you don’t like them you like their appearance love them for them , You think about such insignificant things.You NEED therapy get HELP cause that’s some shallow stuff there
I agree 100%! Asian/Irish is a very unique and beautiful mix, to name but one.
Hey, I’m 100% asian with double eyelid and brown hair… so pretty much it depends on the genes… I still think mix kids are unique 🙂
Wow, that’s super cool. Your posts are as good as anything..Thank you.
Bag Malaysia
I wonder what Jay Spark thinks about half Asians? Are they hot or does he prefer 100% Asian? Take half Japanese model Jessica Michibata. http://www.japansugoi.com/wordpress/?s=jessica+michibata She is dating F1 champion Jenson Button. Does Jenson have an Asian fetish (coz he could have any model in the world) or does she have white boy fetish? People are attracted to people. People who are attracted to only one particular race are sadly missing out.
Nice article – people love to come up with some nefarious reason for everything.
I think you did a good job of dispelling them 🙂
Love is where one finds it, and whether others like it or not, people DO have preferences as to the type of person they’re attracted to.
There is even a website out there that specializes in Asian Women and White Men getting together. It too dispels the stereotypical “Yellow Fever” myths people love to drag out:
http://www.asiangirlsandwhiteguys.com
Jay, I totally understand you. I am half black and half white and am not attracted to black men. People want to think that it has something to do with unresolved issues or self-hate, but I can’t think of any. And if I preferred black guys over white guys no one would think THAT was self hate even though I’m part white. While I consider black men brothers, I just am not attracted to them. White, biracial, Asian, Indian… but not black. It’s also not a choice and not something I can change, and people have a hard time understanding it.
Sorry you are getting such flack on here.
First off you sound like a self hating Asian.
Second your race authenticity comes to mind.
If your are Asian ditch the hateful attitude.
If you are not. Go whack-off to Benny Hills reruns.
If it’s one thing that is really sad is how consequentially non-whites use the r-r-r-r-racist term at every turn. Yet make completely racist and hateful remarks themselves. Not to say unfounded. If I’d go on about how blue eyed babies are superior to asian looking babies there’d be tons of women saying I’m so “ignorant” and “racist”.
For myself and others I know that many males do get sucked into the idea of a submissive and sex hungry asian girl who fancy and feel that white boys are exotic. I’m grateful that I haven’t slept with an asian girl, since that is not a view you should have of any woman. As a sex adventure and quick in-and-out. Not to say that there aren’t men who genuinly love an asian girl but for many it remains as what I’ve explained.
And to the anonymous white girl here who trolled and faked being white-asian to make bi-racial people look bad… Try harder. People mostly stick to their own when it comes to marriage but may be open for some in-out with women of different races.
I’m a white woman who is pretty much only attracted to Korean and Chinese guys. Is that weird? IDK, and I don’t really care either. I can’t help it. Just like being gay is not necessarily a choice – you can’t help if you’re attracted to the same sex, and it’s pointless trying to give reasons as to why you’re attracted to a certain thing. Just let it be.
I don’t blame white men for being attracted to Asian women. They are more likely to be thin, petite, with a certain feminine air about them that white women seem to have kinda lost. And when they are pretty, GOD DAMMIT they are pretty. But it does piss me off when they ONLY find Asian women attractive, and ignore every other race of women. That is a little creepy to me.
OHMYGOD THIS.
Marisa, I appreciate your insight on my post. Culture may have been a poor choice of words. I try to be aware that people in different cultures think and act in ways I may not expect. I’m not attempting to be derogatory. These were just people I met in the course of life. I thought the occurrences were bizarre, my thoughts were: “I do not even know you. I do not understand why you would say that to me now.”
I had no long term relations with either of them.
I haven’t dated for years (got married to a white person in the 90’s). Before this happened, I had two instances where I dated Asian women. One was Chinese and one was Thai. In both cases, they used the phrase “I love you” within hours of the first date or second date. These were normal eat dinner, go to the movie dates.
Is it common among Asian culture to say “I love you” before any mutual feeling like that has really been established?
That is not normal for any “culture” before any mutual feeling like that has really been established. Except for mail order brides or hookers who get paid to say that and other things to men like “you are god”, “I am your sex slave” and “you are my master”.
That is very common amongst Russian Mail Order brides as well! 23 year olds are telling fossils with at least one foot in the grave that they are “in love” with them after one meeting. Translation: “I want to marry you and your wallet.” Translation: “I am a golddigger, please pick me to live large at your expense!”
It reeks of D E S P E R A T I O N! You have to get to know someone for at least a few months first.
I have dated three Asian women. Two were Korean and the woman I have been with for two years now is Chinese. I don’t know why, but I am more drawn to Asian women than other races. Of course, all races attract me and beauty knows no specific race. Still, something about Asian women just grabs me. Now, I do have issues with the fact that many Asian women don’t AT LEAST trim their pubic hairs. I think a big hairy bush is just bad hygiene whether you’re a man or a woman. I’ve heard that it is associated with prostitutes in Asia. Ok, fine….this isn’t Asia. This is America. I don’t want a mouthful of hair and without getting into details, a mouthful of anything else that gets caught in the hair.
Who cares the white men liked raping black women for a long time.Europeans and blacks have been fucking for a long time. That is why southern european look so different any mixed race black and white looks like them and I am saying that because my son looks like a southern european person. I have you notice miss universe comes from latin countries like Domican Republic,Columbia, Brazil and Puerto Rico all those countries have huge amount of negro blood line and european.
im a chinese dude, and i grew up in toronto.
for all the white dudes:
1. Never marry a chinese girl who grew up in china, these women are pure evil,
2. if you must marry an asian, marry a westernized asian who understands north american culture,
hi, you like asian dudes, i am one
come holla at me, fcuking_z@hotmail.com
add me on msn lol
Wow…opposite of my advice for an asian guy looking for white girls.
Yeah…so if you want a white girl, marry a European girl, but not from Britain. Very few British girls are hot.
I personally like hussy…it might be a fetish…
Shut the hell up with your stereotypical nonsense, bitch. You put Chinese people to shame.
Asshole, stop putting chinese people to shame and STFU. Not even a cockroach would want to be laid with the likes of you.
the truth over how White women VS Asian women and how they treat a man.
It comes down to how compilable the both of you are and why Asian make for better relatinships and better wives then White woman..
I am a White male who has been fed up with White woman for being so snobbish and selfish type A personality as if there pump up on steroids and wana-be high maintence and the white woman think they can take control of the relationship and be abusive to their man and to degrade him to emasculate him to nothing I got sick and tired of white woman treating like that and there over selling them selves out to be a princess with out giving any regard to a mans needs at all. and never letting a man be a man that he his the Asian do let there man be the man he is to be. not cause him to less of a man.
well let me burst you’re bubble some more My Asian Chinese wife is better woman then I have ever come across and i felt needed and loved and belong to one woman why make me feel like a KING! in her able capable hands.
you know I am newly married feb & 2010 to a Chinese Woman from Mainland China directly she is ther most caring loving woman I’ve met.. Chinese woman are most good women but three are some that are like that there are good white woman too and bad white woman also I have seen there many faces. Now as for my wife my lovely bride we both full fill the god given rolls as to what marriage really is and my wife is really submissive to and very sub-servant to me in ways i never new a man such as my self could feel such wonderful pleasure and be and feel content and true love and harmony unconstitutionally.. Why you must ask your self am I saying all this well forist to set most ther who do not understand the Asian women my Wife she know how to treat man and take care of a man better then any white woman ever could that I’ve had the displeasure to ever be with.. My wife puts all the white woman to shame because her upbringing and how to keep a marriage together as in ZERO distance between me and her A really good Asian woman is very Loyal to you in every way and will she protect you and take pride in taking such great care of you in every you never new exited and she will never cheat on you why because she can give you the best cooked foods and very good fucks and sucks you above and beyond any wite woman becaue she really want you to get first and as many time as you want or can handle or till you pass out from way to much pleasure because she can give that much i never met any white woman who could do that.
no , it’s not common.. maybe they don’t speak english very well(isn’t easy for you to pick them up?) so it is a bit difficult for them to express feelings in foregin language.
im an asian boy i love white women theyre hot to me.love their hair.they got curves.when they smile its beautiful.
I am a white guy. Been living in China 13 years now. Chinese wife. Before that several Chinese and Japanese girlfriends. Previously white wife for 6 years.
Why do I prefer Asians? Well I don’t, What I mean is it is not an Asian thing, as in I am NOT attracted to Filippinas, Thais, Vietnamese, Malays, Indians. But I do like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Mongolians. Why, well stupid question really. Why do some guys prefer Blondes or Red Heads. Why do some only date girls with big boobs? Or some women only attracted to guys with fat wallets. Come on, we are attracted to what we are and that is that.
Other than looks which is what gives us the initial attraction there are many other things I prefer about the group of women I like.
They are more feminine than their American counterparts. They do not always seem to think they have to compete with men for everything like American women seem to. They act like women and revel in their femininity. Mind you I make this comparison specifically to American women but I would include British and Australian there too.
European women have not seemed to me at least to have gone down that road. My last trip to Europe showed me that yes I could still be attracted to western women. I guess I just prefer feminine charms.
Also, they are more careful about their looks, especially their weight. My last trip home I guess I saw all six of the American women who were not grossly obese…
Even in the business world women can excel without having to try to be like men. My wife is a Sr. VP with a large multinational corp operating in China and she still dresses and acts like a woman. No foul language no overdone act to show who is the boss. She gets the job done wearing dresses and heels and does not need to resort to wearing a suit.
We like what we like and that is that. My wife is certainly not going to live up to the stereotypes many people would say are the reason guys like me want Asians. She is not subservient, not in the least. She is not docile. You don’t get to the top of a big company being shy and quiet.
Looks cause the initial attraction, blonde, brunette or almond shaped eyes. After that personality is what matters. I know for sure that if I were to move back to the States as a single guy I might initially be attracted to Chinese or Japanese-American women but if their personalities matched the rest of American womens, I would be on the first plane back to China!
If you happen to find true love and domestic bliss with a woman that just happens to be Asian, you’ll always get haters pointing the fetish or white loser finger at you. That’s a fact. Why? Cause it’s easy for someone who is insecure to say that. Nobody ever kicks a dead dog. You’ve got something that haters are jealous of. Haters hate cause they hate themselves.
It’s interesting you mentioning Australia. My bf brought up the topic of it being one of the most racist Anglo-Saxon countries. I grew up in Australia as a Chinese and I experienced many instances of racism, mainly from white working class men and boys, and Lebanese. I’ve lived in the UK for many years now and there was only one incident to mind, of a boy calling me ‘Chinese’ when he thought I snubbed him, but hey that was lightweight compared to the treatment I received in Oz, such as having a large rock thrown at my head when I was only a 9 year old girl. I’m so glad I got out of that hole. Australia would be a much better place to live if not for the unbearable heat and the bigotry/ignorance.
As a teen i’ve never attracted much attention from white males,(despite being complimented on my looks from females from all races, and Asian males) except for British tourists and American students. White American males either made fun of the way I looked or warmed towards me. Tis a strange world. British men are generally more mellow and forward thinking when it comes to ethnic mixing and multiculturalism.
…O_o are you serious? If you are then you’ve got some issues bro.
So if an Asian girl prefers a white guy due to one or various reasons, she must sacrifice herself and give herself to an Asian (to save the ego of some internet loser)whereas everybody else in the world gets to be with whoever they love? Dumbass.
– An Asian girl living in Britain
Steve You are one of the few white guys I can respect who just happen to fall in love with an Asian woman. Except your wife seems to embrace the white American culture as you say. Maybe you got to watch out if she lust after some other hot white guy. I respect that you said you were attracted to all beauties of all racess as I am too. At least you acknowlege the the fetishers or loser men who can’t get women of their own race or ethnicity and just subliminally seek out Asian women for sexual reasons.
Double post. I have a girlfriend I hope to marry soon too.
I’m a white guy, and I don’t try to justify or rationalize my love of Asian women by writing lengthy articles such as this one. I just love Asian women, they’re damn hot to me. Asian is sexy, I’ll admit it. Come on, buck up, author, you pussy.
Man you fetishists make the rest of us look bad. I’m an Italian-American guy – 6’2″, fit and athletic, with an Ivy League education and great job – who recently married a Chinese-American girl. I do NOT have an Asian fetish in any way – I’m just not a racist and am open to girls of any color and appearance (other than fat and butt-ugly). My wife actually has a white fetish. She has never dated an Asian guy and says she has found very few of them attractive. I’m not sure why this isn’t considered just as weird as a white guy having an Asian fetish, but I think it’s AT LEAST as common.
Let me address a few common racist and ignorant things I’ve heard people say:
1. Asian guys: “White guys usually date the ugly Asian girls. We date the hot ones.” A little (5’4″, 120lb) Asian guy told me this. He went on to marry a woman who was not attractive by any means. Talk about pot meet kettle. Now, I have been told MANY times that I am more attractive to the opposite sex than my wife, and that I could do better. Even if I had extremely attractive women fawning over me constantly, I wouldn’t take any of them over my wife (we’re still talking an honest 7 out of 10 here), because I love my wife’s personality, and that’s what drew me to her. That has NOTHING to do with her being Asian or not Asian – she’s very whitewashed and Americanized anyway. She’s an excellent personality match and she loves me more than any guy could ever hope to be loved by anyone. Why not take that if you have it?
2. Various people: “White guys date Asian girls because they can’t get anything else. Usually it’s the nerdy/fat/bald white guys.” Now maybe this is true sometimes. For example, my coworker, who is 45 and white, mostly bald, fat, short, nerdy, and strikingly ugly and toad-like, is in a long-term relationship with an older-looking, ugly Asian woman who resembles the Cryptkeeper. Neither of them could probably get ANYONE else so that’s a great match. For me, a younger and much more attractive guy (not being vain here, a 3 out of 10 is light years above this guy) living in LA where there are lots of Asian girls, I have lots of hot ones show interest in me as well as many hot white and Latina girls, and a few black. If I were single, I’d be all over all of those, but I’m not. Just goes to show though that this stereotype, while sometimes true, is often dead wrong. I COULD (and have in the past) get many other attractive girls. I’m just not a racist and I found a great fit with a girl that just so happens to be Asian. Oh yeah, and for the guys saying most Asian girls won’t date white, you’re living in a fantasy world. Most of them, particularly the ones who aren’t disgustingly racist, are open to dating white guys. Deal with it.
3. Asian guys: “You’re stealing our girls.” No, I’m just not a racist. I certainly don’t think white girls are “mine” and don’t give a flying shit when they date outside the race. Asian girls who aren’t even related to you certainly aren’t yours in any way. This once again boils down to: STOP BEING SO DAMNED RACIST. I wonder why you guys aren’t getting girls…I always thought women found ignorance, racism, and whininess really attractive. Hmm…
A few months ago, I was hanging out with some guys watching some movie and the discussion came up about a certain girl being hot. She was a redhead and I mentioned that I was a big fan of redheads in general. One of the guys seemed taken aback and said, “Whoa, really? I always assumed you had an Asian fetish.” The other two guys agreed. This was all based on the fact that I was married to an Asian girl. Little did they know that I had NEVER dated an Asian girl before that, so if anything I had an ANTI-Asian fetish. Of course I let these guys have it for their KKK-level racism, and the first guy I’m not on good terms with anymore. Seriously, screw people like that. Racist f**ks aren’t worth your time.
In conclusion, I’m not sure what’s wrong with you “Asian fetish” guys, but it’s weird. Equally weird is the “white fetish” that many Asian girls have (although I forgive my wife for this). DO NOT assume that just because you see a WM/AF couple that there is a fetish issue going on. Usually that’s not the case. It’s usually just this crazy thing called NOT BEING A RACIST.
Right on. As a guy who does NOT have an Asian fetish whatsoever, but is married to an Asian girl, I get racist losers saying this kind of crap to me all the time. It’s really f**king annoying, but seriously, screw them. Their KKK-esque ideas are outdated and won’t get them far in life.
Dude….I’m a asian guy….firstly where are you getting your info from that all asians guy think you are stealing our girls….secondly congratulations on your marriage to an asian girl and of cause your not racists…..you neeed to relax a bit and take a chill pill….and yeah do I like you give a crap about dating outside your race….NOOO…as you can see we are equal and we pick who we date…..don’t come along on this page and deliver a load of crap on asian guys….that we are this and that…why am I wasting my time with you…I have dated girls from different backgrounds….and do I care about you and what your white race thinks of it …NOOOO….girls from different background can date who they want…who cares….Noo need to point out that asian guys live in a fantasy world…you think your the only one awake to this….ehahh your a joke and shut the fuck up if you want to make up things
hi,
I came across your comment and thought I could help those asia girls you have dated and who have said “i love you” to you right after the date within few hours.
There could be many reasons as to why they blurred out the 3 words. first, you could be very hard to resist. secondly, the girls u have dated could be desperate for relationship, third, that’s the only word they know.
(I’m chinese asian, hmmm oriental btw)I really have no idea. 🙂
Good luck to you
Whoa man, settle down. First of all, you should work on your writing style and grammar. Stream-of-consciousness writing can be tough to follow, and it’s not very clear exactly what you’re trying to say. Second, I didn’t say ALL Asian guys say those things, just that I have heard it from a few Asian guys (we’re talking small percentage here) who are particularly insecure and spiteful. I have a good friend who’s Asian and dates exclusively white girls. He’s not a big guy, and he’s pretty soft-spoken, yet he does very well in the dating world. I never once thought, “WTF, he’s stealing my girls!” because that would be a racist and ignorant point of view. It’s best to refrain from blanket statements whenever possible. I’m certainly not making any here.
The Asian fetish argument is so old. No one mentions the Asian females with ‘white fetish’ though.
Just because someone is attracted to an Asian girl hardly means he has a fetish. Here is another good article on the subject: http://chinesedatingsecrets.com/chinesegirls/2011/03/do-you-have-an-asian-fetish/
I am a white male who finds himself attracted to Asian women and have been since I first started to find myself attracted to the opposite sex. When I first realized I had this so-called fetish, I too thought it was weird and tried to keep it a secret. I did this to the point that I would avoid being in relationships with Asian girls because I thought that it would be wrong. That it would be racist and that it would be cruel to date one of these girls because if she fell in love with me I would never truly be able to love her back, that I would only have seen the fantasy and not the person that she truly was.
I started to realize that I was not attracted to every Asian girl and not because they were ugly, in fact, some of my friends would ogle at these women, I could see they were pretty but did not find myself attracted to them. I started to wonder why I was attracted to some Asians and not others (remember, I seen this as a fetish only at this point) but could not figure it out. It was not a particular personality trait as some women where confident and outgoing and others shy and reserved. Nether was it a particular look as they would range from petite, pale skinned, round faced, dark haired girls to tall, tanned, long faced, light haired girls and everything in between. There was punk rockers, plain girls, the bookish type, the fashionista and a whole plethora of girls and even if you got girls that shared similar traits I would be attracted to some and not others, but why?
The reason is simple! Attraction is not all black and white it is caused by uncontrollable chemical reactions in the brain and is triggered not by any particular look or trait but by the right mixture. These reactions cannot be turned off and are responsible for all your preferences, whether you are gay or straight, are attracted to blondes or brunettes, even what your favourite pizza toppings are. Fetishes themselves are caused by these reactions but I have come to realize this is not a fetish, nor is it racist as I am not attracted to these women because they are Asian, the women I am attracted to just happen to be Asian. I also realize that even when there is an initial attraction it will not maintain if I do not click with there personality, dissolving my fear that I could not truly love an Asian women.
Just to rid any stereotypes, I am not into anime, I do not want to adopt a new culture, as I am Scottish and proud of it and have a thing for Norse culture with no desire to be Asian. I am not looking for a submissive girl to boss around, as this is not in my nature. This is not a last resort as I have always liked Asian women and it is not just a sexual thing as I always ask myself If I can see there being a relationship with the women I am dating and will not stay with them otherwise. So to some up I see nothing wrong with being attracted to Asian women, unless you fall into one of the above stereotypes.
I’m a Chinese girl and always hear white AND Asian guys claiming that Korean and Japanese girls are the hottest. Why? Is it because of the Korean dramas that are so popular nowadays? Is it the extensive amount of Japanese porn? I find it degrading when Koreans and Japanese are placed higher in status because of their pale skin. While the Chinese who have darker skin and Asians nearer to the equator are considered cheap and less attractive not only to Asian men, but to white men. This is another topic that should be talked about, why are Korean and Japanese girls preferred over other types of Asians? When a Filipino, Chinese, or Thai girls are seen with a white man, people assume that they are gold diggers or mail-order brides. But if a Korean or Japanese girl is with a white man, it seems less sleezy. Why?
People need to stop re-defining racism. The defintion of racism includes having preference or bias based on race. It’s not always about hate, it does not specify the race of the perpetrator and having friend of different races does not absove you of being racist.
So all those girls posting above are racist. Let me tell you why you find caucasian features more attractive, because you obviously do not have the insight to think critically. The collection of experiences, media, society (which includes the racial hiearchy where white is at the top) have all influenced you. Physical attraction at it’s most basic is a function of pro-creation and health. Nothing in biology dictates that having white skin, blond hair, a pointy nose etc is healthier than any other combination of facial features unless you are a nazi. It’s ridiculous to think you came out of the womb as asian women destined to be attracted to white guys. In fact, most people are instinctively attracted to those that look similar, everything else is taught.
Go out with who ever you want but don’t try to convince yourselves that you’re not racist.
I have been attracted to asian women since I was wow – younger then dirt. However, I find most asian families her in Florida wont accept me into their family. Probably because I only have been trying to hard. Its not a fetish its just an admoration to their culture and closeness of their families. I had traveled the world and I realized we all put our pants on the same way; one leg at a time. I cant explain why I adore asians and why when I see an asian woman my heart stops. what I can say is Im an honest hardworking person hoping some day I will find my asian queen. I dont have money but I have a heart of gold. I just pray someday before the earth covers my soul I will find an asian wife to love me for me. this is my thrdchance in the hotmail world – let me know if I catch your interest.
being an asian guy myself too, yea i would say, i admit there are selfish and insecure mindset among some asian man. asian girls should do whatever they want and nobody should give a damn and mind their own business if they arent related to you, though the way you worded it before does sound like a typical egoistic white dude. sure as much as there are those few asian guys who have that complexity about asian woman dating outside the race, there is as much white guys like that, in fact statistically 30% of white american population is against interacial marriage to an extreme degree especially for white girls… which inda of contradicts wat youre saying. even i met white dudes that looks like hes about to stab someone seeing a white girl with a black dude or hispanic dude or something. but then again its that small proportion as much as any other cases.
and what? “i wonder why you guys aren’t getting girls” you say? thats just another typical stereotyping ignorance i hear everyday from a white guy. surely asian men are the least population that is in a interracial relationship, mostly cause asian men prefer their own women or their families are excessively traditional and of course admittedly there is also the reason from being heavily stereotyped and being shunned. there are as much good looking asian guys as there are good looking non-asian guys and plenty that can pick up girls from parties, you act like you never seen an asian guy with a non-asian woman, or maybe youll just probably state in an undermining way like “i only seen it once in my lifetime”.
growing up i never had big problems with asian girls interracial dating, but the only problem asian guys had was that they were being belittled, shunned, stereotyped, and misrepresented on the media, social lifes, and even in the educational environment. like they would be displayed as desexualized transgender freaks that are like obsessed. we just think that its abit of an underhanded means to eliminate asian men to have healthy romantic relationships, and cause them to feel awkward.
“I get asked how many of my girlfriends have been Asian. Do you ask Asian guys the same question?”
Yes….if the Asian guy prefers to date Caucasian women. No…if the Asian guy only dates Asian women.
“What’s the difference if the guy dating Asians is himself white, Asian, or whatever?”
The difference is obviously that of culture. Of course if you’re dating an Asian girl who’s been white washed and/or have an inferiority complex to white supremacy e.g. lost her own culture and openly embrace being dominated by Caucasian men then you’ve acquired an Asian women who is a disgrace to Asian society.
“Would it be better if I were attracted only to white women or only blond women?”
That depends on what YOU perceive as “better”.
“What’s the difference? Because I’m white?”
Again the difference is culture or lack thereof
“Say I really am interested in a woman because of what I’ve gotten to know about her, that I think she’s a good person I want to get to know better. What should I say? How should I approach her? Is it fair to believe we could be happy together?”
That obviously depends on the girl and how open she is to dating out of her how race.
“Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t.”
*White Washed* ….but that term is used for ALL races who like the “white” race as a result of brainwashing.
“Do Asian women who date mostly white guys take flak for it??”
Some obviously do, but I think the important to remember is this….
When you have to resort to blaming or putting down a group or race of people to justify your own choice for a certain race of men or women, you lose all respect and credibility and voluntarily made yourself the village idiot…
Jay Spark, thank you for your compassionate, understanding post.
It’s unfortunate that we live in a world where a visually oriented preference for a certain set of physical features (Asian) is automatically assumed to stem from a supremacist mindset while other sets of preferences in regards to physical attraction are allowed to be accepted as just that. This underservedly automatic judgment ostracizes people who simply have just another preference, while letting others with different physical preferences off the hook on grounds that are clearly incoherent.
If people prefer to date blonds, women under 50 years of age, women in general, or women over 200 lbs; this does not in any way mean they are blond supremacists, youth supremacists, sexists, etc… Nor, on the flip side, does this mean that they consider people outside of this criteria inferior; such as believing that women under 200 pounds are inferior to women over 200 pounds.
Yet, somehow, if someone prefers the asian visual template to the caucasian one (or vice versa), it’s automatically assumed some form of cultural, ethnic, racial supremacism is at play. Why? It’s important to acknowledge that if someone consistently prefers dating one race over another, racism, bigotry, prejudice, etc… are potential factors. But this fact does not justify the automatic assumption of said factors being the case. (e.g. if a poor man courts a rich older widow, it could be because he avariciously wants the money but that does not automatically, necessarily mean that it is the case; he could genuinely be in love with her.)
Here is the crux argument.
1. Physical appearance, by definition, matters in regards to physical attraction.
2. Certain ethnicities have a certain identifiable physical appearance.
3. Experiencing physical attraction towards people of a certain physical appearance does not necessarily entail evaluating those people as better people but simply as subjectively more attractive (eg. having a preference for red heads does not necessarily mean thinking red heads are superior people overall to non red heads).
4. Simply because a malignant idea (such as racism) could be (as opposed to must be) at play does not warrant the automatic assumption that it is.
THEN people with a physical/romantic predilection towards a specific ethnicity could be based purely on physical preferences independent of any personal supremacist politics. This is the logical conclusion given the preceding arguments.
There are people who date asians because of notions of racial superiority or fantasies based on cultural stereotypes, but it isn’t necessarily the case. There are also those who, for defended above, simply prefer the asian visual template without evaluating asian culture or the people as superior. It’s theoretically possible for someone raised in isolation to be attracted to a group of asian women without having any conception of Asian culture. More nuance and appreciation for the individualistic and multifaceted nature of asiaphilic relationships would be a better evaluative tool.
Now for some rejoinders against unjustified accusations of racism.
KING PHISHER
JAY SPARKS “What’s the difference if the guy dating Asians is himself white, Asian, or whatever?”
KING PHISHER The difference is obviously that of culture. Of course if you’re dating an Asian girl who’s been white washed and/or have an inferiority complex to white supremacy e.g. lost her own culture and openly embrace being dominated by Caucasian men then you’ve acquired an Asian women who is a disgrace to Asian society.
REBUTTAL: Unjustified assumption. As argued above, if the asian female consistently dates white men it could simply be out of a visually oriented preference (white men, like blonde men, tan men, etc… do have a certain look; they can be identified on sight). Consistently dating women under 200 lbs does not necessarily mean evaluating people over 200 as inferior; just as subjectively less attractive. Likewise, consistently dating asians does not mean evaluating non-asians as inherently inferior; just as subjectively less attractive. Racism could be a possibility behind such a pattern of behavior, but could be does not imply must be; when there is another possibility (acting out of a purely visually oriented preference), racism can only be accepted as the inevitable conclusion when all other possibile motivations have been excluded as plausible motivational stimuli. Someone can enjoy the blond look without engaging in blond supremacist politics; someone can enjoy the asian look without engaging in asian supremacist politics (and asian, seen from one angle, is a look; its possible to recognize asians by sight alone versus checking drivers license or medical records).
JAY (AUTHOR) “Would it be better if I were attracted only to white women or only blond women?”
KING PHISHER That depends on what YOU perceive as “better”.
REBUTTAL: Strawman argument. One can be preferentially attracted to blonds or caucasians without evaluating them as being inherently better people versus simply being more subjectively attractive ones. One can subjectively experience blonds as more attractive without any regard to larger contextual dimensions such as the contribution of blonds to history, science, politics, etc… One can subjectively experience asians as more attractive without any regard to larger contextual dimensions (such as the contribution of asians to history, science, politics, etc, etc…) Its therefore unfair to imply the author is evaluating asians as “better” human beings when all that can be comfortably stated is that his brain simply experiences them as more attractive given the available data.
JAY: “Say I really am interested in a woman because of what I’ve gotten to know about her, that I think she’s a good person I want to get to know better. What should I say? How should I approach her? Is it fair to believe we could be happy together?”
KING PHISHER That obviously depends on the girl and how open she is to dating out of her how race.
REBUTTAL: Not dating people over 300 lbs or under 4 ft does not make one a bigot against these groups. Not dating non-asians does not necessarily make one a bigot against non-asians. It could be bigotry but this is not justified as an automatic assumption. Attraction can take a purely visual life of its own independent of holistic evaluations of superiority or inferiority. For instance, its possible to be attracted to someone that one does not respect (a prostitute used for a fling for instance) or to be unattracted to one that one respects intensely (an elderly mentor).
KING PHISHER When you have to resort to blaming or putting down a group or race of people to justify your own choice for a certain race of men or women, you lose all respect and credibility and voluntarily made yourself the village idiot…
REBUTTAL: Preferences on asians based on purely visual terms is no more a personal policy than preference for red heads over blondes or members of the opposite sex over those of the same. Any notion of choice is illusory.
STEVE: Man you fetishists make the rest of us look bad.
REBUTTAL: This statment betrays, as will be demonstrated below, an unwillingness to judge the author’s assertions on any sufficiently logical terms.
STEVE: I do NOT have an Asian fetish in any way – I’m just not a racist and am open to girls of any color and appearance.
REBUTTAL: Why is it so difficult to grasp that one consistently dates asians because one enjoys the way they look (and they do have a look, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to recognized on sight) and not because they are seen as an inherently better people. One can consistently date blonds without viewing blonds as superior to non blonds. “open to girls of any color and appearance”. Really? You would have no problem dating someone under 4 ft in height or over 300 lbs or with dyed orange and purple hair? Ethnicities do have a certain look to them; for attraction purposes, asian is as much a look as other physical dimensions such as height, body weight or hair color. Its possible to have a preference for a certain racial look without being a supremacist for people with that look, just as it is possible with people of a certian height, body weight, hair color, etc… People of certain “races” have common physical appearances, people have attraction preferences for certain appearances (you mention being a fan of red heads), so is it really that difficult to conceive of people being attracted to asian girls because they happen to share visual features that are particularly stimulating and that those features are stimulating regardless of the consideration that these asian girls happen to be from the same culture. Some people are attracted to blonds because of the way they look; some people are attracted to asians because of the way they look, the fact that asians come from the same continent and culture is incidental to them. As an example, if one finds red heads more attractive than any other type of person because the red hair on its own terms is uniquely stimulating then the fact that red heads only come from a certain region of the world is incidental. In similar form, if one finds asians more attractive, the fact that asians come from a certain region is incidental. Its possible that one is (and many in the world, unfortunately are) attracted to asians for reasons of racism/popular stereotype; but its erroneous to assume that such is necessarily the case. Its unfair to exclude the very realistic possibility that one simply likes the asian look (which is, from one angle, a look. sians can be identified on sight alone even by one who has never seen asians before or heard of asian culture. That is, the asian look has a life of its own independent of larger contextual dimensions; a person who grew up in isolation and never saw asians would be able to pick out 15 asians from a group of 100 white people). This look just happens to be tied to a race and thus can be, but not necessarily is, a racism based preference.
STEVE: Even if I had extremely attractive women fawning over me constantly, I wouldn’t take any of them over my wife (we’re still talking an honest 7 out of 10 here), because I love my wife’s personality, and that’s what drew me to her. That has NOTHING to do with her being Asian or not Asian
REBUTTAL: Looks matter to you. Would you marry a seventy year old bald woman with an eyepatch if she had an identical personality to your wife? What if your wife turned out to be an man? Looks matter and for some people its the asian look. You even mentioned being a fan of red heads.
jajajajajji yeah dating asian women is hottttt!!
This article resonates with me. It brings up feelings I’d rather leave buried, primarily those of shame. I’m one of those hated creeps as well — a white guy who primarily dates Asian women.
I understand that a warning alarm goes off in the minds of many people when they hear ‘white guy who dates Asian women’. It’s totally understandable. The same alarm goes off in my head, too. It makes me think of those douchebag “ESL teachers” who fly to Asia to become full-time sexual predators, or old rich men who order mail-order brides from impoverished countries, or the ‘old-fashioned guys’, the misogynists who date women who can’t speak English because they’d rather bark commands at a woman than communicate with her.
I’ve seen all of this and I’ve met these people. It all bothers me on a deep level and makes me ashamed to be A) white, B) male, C) a sexual creature regardless of preference and D) an oxygen-breathing mammal in general.
There is a commonality between these people that I don’t share. They exploit a power balance between themselves and the women they pursue. I don’t. I never wanted to. I like women too much to do that. To be lumped in with those guys is enough to make me wish I could erase this preference (I imagine the process is similar to that scene at the end of ‘Pi’)… however, that seems unlikely. So I’ve got to deal. You don’t choose your ‘preferences’ or fetishes any more than you choose your favourite food or favourite style of music. You just take what you’re given and hope it doesn’t become a problem.
To me, Asian women are beautiful. I realize that in itself is a crude generalization that reflects badly on me, but it’s as simply as I can put it without writing pages of qualifying footnotes. Of course, I’m more likely to want to approach women I find beautiful, so I approach Asian women. I like second-generation women; all of the great loves of my life have been Asian-Canadian. I hope the next one will be, too. I don’t think that makes me a bad person, because I’ve tried to not become a bad person, or to associate with them. But all the same, some guilt remains — because is ‘trying’ enough?
Thank you for sharing, and yes it’s unfortunate that the bad guys give the good guys a bad name.
hmm..
so asian girls that are not ridiculously racist are open to white guys, is what you just said right? meaning that asian girls that werent influenced and pressured by their own asian counterpart or their culture automatically and naturally are just obsessed with white guys?
wouldnt it be more accurate to say that asian girls that arent brainwashed by their own asian media and society, but whitewashed by the american media and society usually exclusively goes for white guys? so woman naturely have that tendency to have this sexual desires towards western men, if they arent pressured by their own men?
its like bs that ive been hearing everyday from whiteguys (not accusing all) , that like they rant about stories of how they been rejected by asian girls was cause their families are traditional and they are completely brainwashed by their country, the only excuse ive been hearing everytime.
what of the white girls that arent brainwashed by their own media, and arent ridiculously racist. what of the white woman living in asia, ive seen more AMWW couples there in my native country then vice versa in my country, see the pattern?
point is that, woman just have tendency to be attracted to the environment they grew up in, and what has influenced them. i mean i could see how people with huge egos like to claim supremacy over others
that is incorrect, every woman interracially dating takes flak from their respective men and is accused of all sort of things whether you are white, black, hispanic, or asian.
you yourself is displaying cultural inferiority by displaying a complex towards other asian woman.
i remember chinese woman were big during the 90s, and the media was all about chinese woman, and i remember no chinese girls were complaining about chinese people taking the spotlight role, in all these action movies and romance movies, they were all proud of it, and why wouldnt u be? back then japanese woman and korean woman viewed more objectively, i even remember it. but now as you said that the popularity shifted , towards japanese, korean, and seems to be india also, so you rant about how people are placed higher status for whatsoever reason, but thats just life. this happens to everyone eventually, one point you’re popular and one point youre popularity passes. and i thought darker skin is attractive in alot of areas, like girls get tans, hispanic woman are desired by alot of woman.
even white men/woman arent as big as they were back in the 80s and 90s as well, now black, hispanic, and asian men are equally are given the oppurtunity to represent themselves be it the media, society, or whatever little by little, though still white is the majority still and is the one with money so there would be still biased structure
“It’s unfortunate that we live in a world where a visually oriented preference for a certain set of physical features (Asian) is automatically assumed to stem from a supremacist mindset while other sets of preferences in regards to physical attraction are allowed to be accepted as just that.”
Strawman. Nobody is claiming every case of WMAF is the result of white superiority/inferiority mindset.
“This underservedly automatic judgment ostracizes people who simply have just another preference, while letting others with different physical preferences off the hook on grounds that are clearly incoherent.”
Se above.
“If people prefer to date blonds, women under 50 years of age, women in general, or women over 200 lbs; this does not in any way mean they are blond supremacists, youth supremacists, sexists, etc… Nor, on the flip side, does this mean that they consider people outside of this criteria inferior; such as believing that women under 200 pounds are inferior to women over 200 pounds.
See above.
“Yet, somehow, if someone prefers the asian visual template to the caucasian one (or vice versa), it’s automatically assumed some form of cultural, ethnic, racial supremacism is at play. Why?
See above.
“It’s important to acknowledge that if someone consistently prefers dating one race over another, racism, bigotry, prejudice, etc… are potential factors.”
Agreed.
“But this fact does not justify the automatic assumption of said factors being the case. (e.g. if a poor man courts a rich older widow, it could be because he avariciously wants the money but that does not automatically, necessarily mean that it is the case; he could genuinely be in love with her.)”
Again nobody is claiming it is the sole reason in every single case, however if one naively believes it isn’t a signficant factor in many of these cases then one is living in an alternate reality where pigs fly.
“1. Physical appearance, by definition, matters in regards to physical attraction.
2. Certain ethnicities have a certain identifiable physical appearance.
3. Experiencing physical attraction towards people of a certain physical appearance does not necessarily entail evaluating those people as better people but simply as subjectively more attractive (eg. having a preference for red heads does not necessarily mean thinking red heads are superior people overall to non red heads).
4. Simply because a malignant idea (such as racism) could be (as opposed to must be) at play does not warrant the automatic assumption that it is.
THEN people with a physical/romantic predilection towards a specific ethnicity could be based purely on physical preferences independent of any personal supremacist politics. This is the logical conclusion given the preceding arguments.”
See above.
“There are people who date asians because of notions of racial superiority or fantasies based on cultural stereotypes, but it isn’t necessarily the case.”
Huh?
“There are also those who, for defended above, simply prefer the asian visual template without evaluating asian culture or the people as superior.”
See above.
“It’s theoretically possible for someone raised in isolation to be attracted to a group of asian women without having any conception of Asian culture.”
It’s theoretically possible for someone raised in a completey dark prison to be attracted to sunlight and freedom….sure….tell us something we don’t already know.
“More nuance and appreciation for the individualistic and multifaceted nature of asiaphilic relationships would be a better evaluative tool.”
Agreed.
“REBUTTAL: Unjustified assumption. As argued above, if the asian female consistently dates white men it could simply be out of a visually oriented preference (white men, like blonde men, tan men, etc… do have a certain look; they can be identified on sight).”
Sure, but that’s pretty obvious. My answer was intended to address the differences BEYOND the visual/superficial between different races of men who date asian women and that is culture.
“Consistently dating women under 200 lbs does not necessarily mean evaluating people over 200 as inferior; just as subjectively less attractive. Likewise, consistently dating asians does not mean evaluating non-asians as inherently inferior; just as subjectively less attractive.”
See above.
“Racism could be a possibility behind such a pattern of behavior, but could be does not imply must be; when there is another possibility (acting out of a purely visually oriented preference), racism can only be accepted as the inevitable conclusion when all other possibile motivations have been excluded as plausible motivational stimuli.”
More superfluous repetition of same strawman data points.
“Someone can enjoy the blond look without engaging in blond supremacist politics; someone can enjoy the asian look without engaging in asian supremacist politics (and asian, seen from one angle, is a look; its possible to recognize asians by sight alone versus checking drivers license or medical records).”
Sure just as someone can enjoy a pizza without mentally masturbating about how Italians are superior at making pizzas…lol….booooring.
“REBUTTAL: Strawman argument. One can be preferentially attracted to blonds or caucasians without evaluating them as being inherently better people versus simply being more subjectively attractive ones. One can subjectively experience blonds as more attractive without any regard to larger contextual dimensions such as the contribution of blonds to history, science, politics, etc… One can subjectively experience asians as more attractive without any regard to larger contextual dimensions (such as the contribution of asians to history, science, politics, etc, etc…) Its therefore unfair to imply the author is evaluating asians as “better” human beings when all that can be comfortably stated is that his brain simply experiences them as more attractive given the available data.”
Huh? You yourself should be quite familiar with strawmen claims…lol…see above.
My answer directly addressed the question. The guy asked which is better and the simple answer is whichever HE HIMSELF perceives/considers to be better. If one cannot grasp this simple concept then one needs to lower one’s own dosage of hallucinogens.
“REBUTTAL: Not dating people over 300 lbs or under 4 ft does not make one a bigot against these groups. Not dating non-asians does not necessarily make one a bigot against non-asians. It could be bigotry but this is not justified as an automatic assumption.”
Same strawman data points being regurgitated again.
“Attraction can take a purely visual life of its own independent of holistic evaluations of superiority or inferiority.”
Really? Wow!!!
“For instance, its possible to be attracted to someone that one does not respect (a prostitute used for a fling for instance) or to be unattracted to one that one respects intensely (an elderly mentor).”
It’s possible to drive a car forwards or backwards….again tell us something we don’t know.
“REBUTTAL: Preferences on asians based on purely visual terms is no more a personal policy than preference for red heads over blondes or members of the opposite sex over those of the same. Any notion of choice is illusory.”
Same strawman datapoints.
“REBUTTAL: Why is it so difficult to grasp that one consistently dates asians because one enjoys the way they look (and they do have a look, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to recognized on sight) and not because they are seen as an inherently better people. One can consistently date blonds without viewing blonds as superior to non blonds. “open to girls of any color and appearance”. Really? You would have no problem dating someone under 4 ft in height or over 300 lbs or with dyed orange and purple hair? Ethnicities do have a certain look to them; for attraction purposes, asian is as much a look as other physical dimensions such as height, body weight or hair color. Its possible to have a preference for a certain racial look without being a supremacist for people with that look, just as it is possible with people of a certian height, body weight, hair color, etc… People of certain “races” have common physical appearances, people have attraction preferences for certain appearances (you mention being a fan of red heads), so is it really that difficult to conceive of people being attracted to asian girls because they happen to share visual features that are particularly stimulating and that those features are stimulating regardless of the consideration that these asian girls happen to be from the same culture. Some people are attracted to blonds because of the way they look; some people are attracted to asians because of the way they look, the fact that asians come from the same continent and culture is incidental to them. As an example, if one finds red heads more attractive than any other type of person because the red hair on its own terms is uniquely stimulating then the fact that red heads only come from a certain region of the world is incidental. In similar form, if one finds asians more attractive, the fact that asians come from a certain region is incidental. Its possible that one is (and many in the world, unfortunately are) attracted to asians for reasons of racism/popular stereotype; but its erroneous to assume that such is necessarily the case. Its unfair to exclude the very realistic possibility that one simply likes the asian look (which is, from one angle, a look. sians can be identified on sight alone even by one who has never seen asians before or heard of asian culture. That is, the asian look has a life of its own independent of larger contextual dimensions; a person who grew up in isolation and never saw asians would be able to pick out 15 asians from a group of 100 white people). This look just happens to be tied to a race and thus can be, but not necessarily is, a racism based preference.”
Superfluous rebuttal that should have been summarized into two sentences..
Some Caucasians prefer Asians and vice versa purely from an asthetic point of view. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s because they view Caucasians or Asians as being superior or inferior..
Once again, jumping to conclusions here. I’m not egotistical and I don’t think I’m hot shit at all. I know there are people of all races that are against interracial dating. I say f**k ’em. It’s the 2010s and we should all be over such antiquated beliefs. I can’t speak for all white people and I will not be held accountable for others’ beliefs. It’s funny BTW how we all get grouped under one big “white” umbrella. I’m of Italian and Spanish origin and I sure as hell don’t look like a Swede or an Irishman. The racist old guard of white people is mainly composed of WASPs of British descent. That ain’t me.
When I say “i wonder why you guys aren’t getting girls” I’m talking about the small subset of Asian guys that spends its time whining about “their” girls looking elsewhere. What I’m saying is that no woman of any race is going to find that whining attractive. You need to be proactive and take matters into your own hands. Don’t worry if you see white, black, or whatever guys dating Asian women. You can just as easily turn the tables on them. As I posted below, my good friend is Asian (100% Vietnamese) and has always dated only white girls. I don’t go around thinking, “That bastard is stealing MY girls!” I think, “Good for him.” He gets his and I get mine and we are happy for each other for scoring quality ass.
If you want to limit yourself to only your own race, go ahead. Just know that it lowers your chances. Personally, I’m not going to limit myself. If your family disapproves, f**k ’em and tell ’em to stop being such racists. For awhile, my family thought I had a thing for ethnic girls because I had a run where I went black, Israeli, Mexican, then Chinese. They didn’t like it much, but you know what? All four of those girls were hot, and I was getting laid, so I didn’t give a damn. I suggest you adopt that mindset. You will come out the winner no matter what they think.
As for the media, hey, make it your goal to prove them wrong.
No man, I’m not saying that non-racist Asian girls PREFER white guys, I’m saying they are OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY of dating white guys. Big difference. It’s like me. I am open to dating Asian girls, but that doesn’t been I exclusively date Asian girls or have a fetish like the asshat who wrote this article. Maybe you have a minor point with the whole media argument, but girls that fall victim to that mindset probably aren’t worth your time anyway (although to be fair, some of those dumb sluts are pretty fun in the sack).
“its like bs that ive been hearing everyday from whiteguys (not accusing all) , that like they rant about stories of how they been rejected by asian girls was cause their families are traditional and they are completely brainwashed by their country, the only excuse ive been hearing everytime.”
I have never heard this excuse from anyone, but whatever.
Hey, I don’t think the media has drawn me to any one type, other than maybe hot girls. I like a girl on the skinnier side with a nice face, well-shaped tits and ass. Who doesn’t? Ethnicity is not a big factor. And like I said before, I have several Asian guy friends who have no problem getting Asian, white, etc girls. Some of them do better than I do. Anecdotal evidence I know, but that might suggest to you that if you’re not garnering female interest, it probably has a lot more to do with YOU PERSONALLY than some media influence bullshit. Whining and making excuses is also not an attractive trait to women, believe me.
It’s crazy how the comment section of this article has become almost a forum of sorts. I’m a guy who likes women of all races, but I prefer east Asian women physically. That’s not to say I’ve a fetish or w/e, but I like their softer facial features than women from Anglo-Saxon decent for example. A large amount of my friends (males) happen to be Asian themselves, not by preference, but by coincidence and circumstance. What is odd is that they’re perfectly forgiving of me and my fiance and like us as a couple due to our long history, yet at the same time *hate* other white and asian couples.
So, what does this indicate? that you shouldn’t judge people without knowing them in the first place, because not all asian women have fetishes for white men, or white men for asian women.
OMG, great comment, I agree with your thoughts 100% and love how you broke down the stereotypes.
I am half Asian (Chinese mother, “white” father) and even myself, get comments…like the last serious boyfriend I had…he was Irish/Italian…and at the time when I told my co-workers about him, their response was something like, “Oh wow, he must have yellow fever.” Umm, what?! Maybe he actually LIKES ME FOR ME (the way you love your wife who you love for her personality and etc, it just turns out she’s Asian) and finds me attractive…not just because I’m Asian. And mind you, I’m half Asian…so to me that makes it even more racist in a way. People are so narrow minded and stupid lol.
Aww, I enjoyed reading your detailed comment! I’m actually half Asian (my mother is Chinese and my father is “white”…German, Irish, Maltese, to be exact) and I know for my parents, it was a really difficult time for them getting married at the time that they did as it was not as socially acceptable.
I’m sorry to hear your feelings regarding how people stereotype you based on your natural preference/attraction towards Asians, but it’s good to know we are definitely moving more forward and now it’s even more prevalent seeing Asian/white couples. It’s very common today I think.
Aww, your Asian queen is out there I’m sure! 🙂 She’ll turn up with you least expect it! It’s nice to hear you have a heart of gold, that’s exactly what I say is the quality in someone I’m looking for most! It’s so important and it’s nice to hear you recognize that!
Interesting, I have never heard this before. (I am half Chinese btw, and half “white”)
What an excellent read. I was tired of feeling like I’m doing something wrong. Being judged sucks…but it’s whatever. This has helped me a lot. thank you
I am a white male that has dated around the racial and cultural spectrums, though not in any habitual fashion. I don’t recall ever have been type-cast into any particular preferences, until a dated an asian woman. More surprising still, I was confronted about my “yellow fever” by other asians. Making a long story short; when I married her, it had nothing to do with the color of her skin, the shape of her eyes or the history of her people. I just insticntively know she was the right answer. Like everything else, the wrapper is a distraction from what’s inside. Choose carefully and it’s the biggest reward of your life. Choose poorly…. well don’t do that. What anyone else has to say is really immaterial.
Being a brolic white man, I must say its fun going after these exotic breeds of women. Its a bit taboo and the satisfaction of tapping one is greater than tapping a white woman. That said, I still am debating whether its safe to settle down with an asian woman as I worry about how the children will turn out. I dont want to father mutant offspring with bad peripheral vision.
sources: being white, tapping asian bishes
I;m sick of seeing all these white boys dating azn girls. Why can’t they stick to there own kind instead of inventing a new type of frankenstein race like hispanics only more yellow and less brown (excluding jungle asians which no one even likes). It’s destroying our racial purity and the traditions our ancestors were sacrificed for. These white guys are like predator aliens stalking asian women because they are smaller and thereby it makes the white men feel more dominant and likely to snare them.
Agreed
@Kingfisher
(OP – Original Poster)”It’s unfortunate that we live in a world where a visually oriented preference for a certain set of physical features (Asian) is automatically assumed to stem from a supremacist mindset while other sets of preferences in regards to physical attraction are allowed to be accepted as just that.”
Kingfisher: Strawman. Nobody is claiming every case of WMAF is the result of white superiority/inferiority mindset.
-This is untrue. Why would the author even write this article, if he didn’t feel that people, himself included, who prefer to date a specific racist are unfairly stigmatized as being racist or fetishists? There are a number of people in the comments section and the internet who believe there are racist motivations for exclusively or almost exclusively dating one race. One commenter, Steve (can be found in the last 3 pages as of this post), accused the article’s author of being a racist, for defending his proclivity towards dating asians as simply a preference (KINGPHISHER point now rebutted). In my own personal experience, I have been in conversations where having a preference for one race had been flatly, explicitly, unambiguously called out as racism. I have seen, on occasions, this preference for asians born of stereotypes of submissiveness or some belief that asians are superior, hard working group of people and many other variations of the racism theme. I have read sociologists who try to explain the “yellow fever” phenomenon as relating to psychological dynamics of power and colonization through the eyes of the white man. Countless, I mean countless, threads on websites many of them not even about interracial dating have posts making sweeping categorical statements about WMAF relationships stating to the effect that EVERY such relationship is based on racist pretenses. There are people who hold categorical views on groups encompassing millions of people. There are white men who have proclaimed every single black men as inferior and white women who feel that every asian person is, without exception, inferior. Unsurprisingly, there are people who make categorical judgments on interracial relationships WMAF being no exception. This is the world we live in. If you had not had these experiences, you are either very young, very sheltered, or grew up on a different planet. There are people who process the world through the lens just described above, my original posts were for them. If you or your friends do not see the world this way…good for you, my post is not for you then. But there are people who it is for. To say that “Nobody” thinks in this way is as irrationally categorical as the one size fits all thinking commented on above.
See above to all of your “see above”.
OP”Attraction can take a purely visual life of its own independent of holistic evaluations of superiority or inferiority.”
KINGPHISHER: Really? Wow!!!
OP”For instance, its possible to be attracted to someone that one does not respect (a prostitute used for a fling for instance) or to be unattracted to one that one respects intensely (an elderly mentor).”
KINGPHISHER: It’s possible to drive a car forwards or backwards….again tell us something we don’t know.
-If you know that preferences for a race can be purely aesthetically based. GOOD FOR YOU!!! The thing is … not everyone does. When you say “tell us something we don’t know”, who do you mean by “we”? Do you mean like minded people or are you speaking for everyone? For the former case, my post is not needed for you, don’t read it. For the latter, you are flat out wrong. Not everyone believes race preference can be just that. I have had multiple personal cases where the listener just does not seem to be able to get that people can get consistently attracted to a certain race because of the visual aspect. This seems like an obvious point but to them it must always be racism. Such people don’t fit into your definition of “we” and you cannot speak for them. So when you state “tell us something we don’t know” you are only speaking for yourself not my intended audience.
KINGPHISHER: Superfluous rebuttal that should have been summarized into two sentences..
-some of us prefer to accompany a point with specific examples, thought experiments and logical points because it’s hard enough convincing people without them.
-Hmmm…perhaps your sarcasm can help make the internet a better place somewhere else; it’s not constructive here.
@KING PHISHER
KING PHISHER: Starwman. Nobody is claiming every case of WMAF is the result of white superiority/inferiority mindset.
I felt something off when I began reading your response, but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it since it had been a while since I had posted here. Then I realized, there is a considerable deal of irony in how you state more or less that my points are either so obvious or strawman in nature yet you seem to possess precisely the type of thinking that instigated my writing of the post in the first place. (Btw, I make another reply to your reply of my post)
Let’s examine your post
KING PHISHER APRIL 13, 2011 @4:14 (for people who want to find his post)
“Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t.”
KINGPHISHER*White Washed* ….but that term is used for ALL races who like the “white” race as a result of brainwashing.
OP (ORIGINAL POSTER-ME)
-Okay before proceeding further, a necessary little preliminary step is required. Although I would defend the claim that there are people who think every single WMAF is based on a superiority/inferiority mindset, for the purposes of this specific post it is worth noting that that is not the specific claim made in my original post. In my original claim, I stated that prejudiced views on interracial dating in which at least one partner focuses on a specific race do occur and these views can negatively and unfairly inform that relationship. Here’s a variant claim, people can consistently choose to date one race as a preference and not as a product of a supremacist mindset. So, King Phisher, while you might not defend the claim that every WMAF relationship is based on notions of inferiority/superiority, you do feel comfortable automatically conferring negative judgments on a tendency to consistently or exclusively date one race in a manner that is unfairly premature and inexplicable if you agree with points made in an earlier post of yours.
Now, back to the post. Note how you feel comfortable labeling any asian female with a consistent preference for white men as “white washed”. In your world, it doesn’t seem possible that an asian girl can consistently or exclusively date white men without it being a racist affair. There are many asian girls out in the world who do not, possibly as a preference, like dating asian men and do like dating caucasian men, yet rather than feeling a need to gather more data and deal with the vast body of circumstances which add enough nuance to distinguish one case example from another, to define them all as “white-washed” is simply enough. If an Asian woman does not prefer dating men over 300 lbs, she is not a skinny supremacist. If she does not prefer bald men, she is not a hair supremacist?
Yet, to you, if she does not prefer dating Asian men, then she is a white-washed “disgrace to Asian society” due to her “inferiority complex” to “white supremacy”; no further data or context based examination required.
Why? Defend this claim.
All you were told of these hypothetical Asian women is that they prefer white men; how is this enough data to decide they are racist and not acting out of a preference? You acknowledged that certain races have a distinct look and attraction to certain looks is a part of romance and that further, this dynamic can occur independently of any supremacist politics. Why should it come as a surprise that as a matter of preference some people don’t prefer their own race and prefer another. Does a blond man who does not prefer blond women self-hating? On what grounds can an asian woman who does not prefer asian men be automatically labeled as “brain washed” and acting according to an “inferiority complex”?
You might, at this point state that some asian women who consistently date caucasian men and avoid dating asian men do so out of preference while others do so out of culturally ingrained prejudice (a possibility). But it is unlikely you will, given your above quote and most of the rest of the post from which it was extracted. Also given your quote, an Asian women having a preference white guys is enough data to assume a supremacist mindset (“inferiority complex…white washed”), so you do not seem to think this pattern of behavior can subject to exceptions.
Further, note how all of your post is framed as a series of rebuttals to the author’s article. You are implicitly stating that the author’s quote “Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t.” is not a valid defense for consistently dating a race as a matter of preference by setting it up as a quote to be refuted. Which is to say, for you, racism must be central to any Asian woman with a preference for white men and not an isolated, independently occurring phenomenon. If it was, it would make no sense to use your quote as a rebuttal since isolated cases can not be, by definition, used as representative.
OP: “Attraction can take a purely visual life of its own independent of holistic evaluations of superiority or inferiority.”
KING PHISHER: Really? Wow!!!
-OP If you agree with me. Why do you make this quote below?
JAY”What’s the difference if the guy dating Asians is himself white, Asian, or whatever?”
KING PHISHER The difference is obviously that of culture.
-OP Obviously? Didn’t you in the above quote, just state that attraction can be purely visually based and exist independent of any other criteria? You must agree then that whether a man is asian, white, black, or whatever and has preference towards asian women it could be because of a solely visual attraction independent of non-visual concerns such as culture. So why is the difference “obviously” that of culture? If an asian woman exclusively dates white men, and attraction based on looks has a life of its own, then it could be because she simply prefers the white look regardless of other criteria. So why is culture “obviously” the default explanatory mechanism for an asian woman consistently preferring white males. For someone who supposedly agrees with my visual-attraction argument, it doesn’t show in your original post to the author.
OP”For instance, its possible to be attracted to someone that one does not respect (a prostitute used for a fling for instance) or to be unattracted to one that one respects intensely (an elderly mentor).”
KINGPHISHER It’s possible to drive a car forwards or backwards….again tell us something we don’t know.
-OP Okay. Just because an Asian woman dates white men only does not mean she respects or views white people as inherently superior. If you can realize that, you will stop making some of the arguments that you do.
JAY”Would it be better if I were attracted only to white women or only blond women?”
KINGPHISHER That depends on what YOU perceive as “better”.
-OP This statment is unfair. You treat his potentially being attracted only to white women or only to blond women as a matter of perceiving them as “better” versus more/less/uniquely attractive. As explained in earlier posts, in this one, and in remarks where you claim to agree with this sentiment, its possible to be uniquely solely attracted to an ethnic group based on looks.
As far as “directly” answering the question goes, no you didn’t. Jay wasn’t asking whether he would date asian women if he found asian women more preferential or white women if he found white women more preferential. That’s a silly question, of course he would date whichever he perceived as best. And in the context of the article, this line of questioning makes no sense. If he trying to validate his preferential dating of asian, he would be pondering over whether this preference is acceptable not over whether he would date asian women if he found them more attractive. Rather, what he was getting at is that if he found white women more attractive and preferentially dated them, would this pattern of behavior be a better pattern. To use an analogy, he’s asking if there are apples and oranges and he prefers oranges would it be better if he prefers apples. Not, “if I see oranges as better would I choose oranges” (silly question and thus a strawman to accuse the author of asking)? Just think about it logically, how does your reply give a coherent answer to his question? He asked if it would be better if he prefers white women. Your “better” perception response only tells him that he would date white women if he preferred them (obviously), it does not tell him how he should feel THAT he experiences white women as more attractive and thus dates them more. Think about this way, the fact that an asian woman feels caucasian men are more attractive and dates them exclusively is (OBVIOUSLY) a matter of her perception of them as more attractive. You acknowledge this simple logic. Yet people such as yourself, feel THAT she exclusively dates caucasian man is not a matter of her subjective evaluation. You feel you can judge that sort of dating trend as an inferiority complex based form of brainwashing that produces a living “disgrace to asian society”. Note the two different concepts and your different reactions. You reacted to the author as if he was pontificating on the former concept when he was focusing on the latter. If you were, in fact, commenting on the acceptability of preferentially dating one race and not on the logical implications of finding one race, in general, more attractive then by your remarks you find it a subjective affair whether it is a good thing that one exclusively dates outside of one’s race. Why all the judgmental language then? You feel confident enough declaring white preferring asian women, matter of factly, as trash, a “disgrace”.
OP”There are people who date asians because of notions of racial superiority or fantasies based on cultural stereotypes, but it isn’t necessarily the case.”
KINGPHISHER Huh?
-OP Asian women are stereotypically considered hypersexual or submissive in american culture.
KINGPHISHER Also, you can make a point without accusing someone of drug use. That is possible, just saying.
When you have to resort to blaming or putting down a group or race of people to justify your own choice for a certain race of men or women, you lose all respect and credibility and voluntarily made yourself the village idiot…
-OP For reasons outlined above, I hope you were making this statement incidentally. For some cases, asian women do chase caucasian men out of an internalized inferiority complex. But not for others, so you must realize that your arguments are not representative of the groups and cases you discuss and thus cannot be used against the author’s claim that he is not racist for preferring to date asians or that asians who exclusively date white men do so inherently on racist grounds if that was your intent. That approach is no more defensible than to refute the claim that my boat will cross the river without sinking because 34% of boats of my model sink. Phrased differently, if I say “my boat can cross the river without sinking”; it’s untenable to say “no you can’t because 34% of your models sink”. It’s possible but unfair to assume such is automatically the case, just as its unfair to automatically label an asian women brain-washed simply because she prefers white men when no further data is given, which you have done.
Ta Ta.
@KING PHISHER
KING PHISHER: Starwman. Nobody is claiming every case of WMAF is the result of white superiority/inferiority mindset.
I felt something off when I began reading your response, but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it since it had been a while since I had posted here. Then I realized, there is a considerable deal of irony in how you state more or less that my points are either so obvious or strawman in nature yet you seem to possess precisely the type of thinking that instigated my writing of the post in the first place. (Btw, I make another reply to your reply of my post)
Let’s examine your post
KING PHISHER APRIL 13, 2011 @4:14 (for people who want to find his post)
“Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t.”
KINGPHISHER*White Washed* ….but that term is used for ALL races who like the “white” race as a result of brainwashing.
OP (ORIGINAL POSTER-ME)
-Okay before proceeding further, a necessary little preliminary step is required. Although I would defend the claim that there are people who think every single WMAF is based on a superiority/inferiority mindset, for the purposes of this specific post it is worth noting that that is not the specific claim made in my original post. In my original claim, I stated that prejudiced views on interracial dating in which at least one partner focuses on a specific race do occur and these views can negatively and unfairly inform that relationship. Here’s a variant claim, people can consistently choose to date one race as a preference and not as a product of a supremacist mindset. So, King Phisher, while you might not defend the claim that every WMAF relationship is based on notions of inferiority/superiority, you do feel comfortable automatically conferring negative judgments on a tendency to consistently or exclusively date one race in a manner that is unfairly premature and inexplicable if you agree with points made in an earlier post of yours.
Now, back to the post. Note how you feel comfortable labeling any asian female with a consistent preference for white men as “white washed”. In your world, it doesn’t seem possible that an asian girl can consistently or exclusively date white men without it being a racist affair. There are many asian girls out in the world who do not, possibly as a preference, like dating asian men and do like dating caucasian men, yet rather than feeling a need to gather more data and deal with the vast body of circumstances which add enough nuance to distinguish one case example from another, to define them all as “white-washed” is simply enough. If an Asian woman does not prefer dating men over 300 lbs, she is not a skinny supremacist. If she does not prefer bald men, she is not a hair supremacist?
Yet, to you, if she does not prefer dating Asian men, then she is a white-washed “disgrace to Asian society” due to her “inferiority complex” to “white supremacy”; no further data or context based examination required.
Why? Defend this claim.
All you were told of these hypothetical Asian women is that they prefer white men; how is this enough data to decide they are racist and not acting out of a preference? You acknowledged that certain races have a distinct look and attraction to certain looks is a part of romance and that further, this dynamic can occur independently of any supremacist politics. Why should it come as a surprise that as a matter of preference some people don’t prefer their own race and prefer another. Does a blond man who does not prefer blond women self-hating? On what grounds can an asian woman who does not prefer asian men be automatically labeled as “brain washed” and acting according to an “inferiority complex”?
You might, at this point state that some asian women who consistently date caucasian men and avoid dating asian men do so out of preference while others do so out of culturally ingrained prejudice (a possibility). But it is unlikely you will, given your above quote and most of the rest of the post from which it was extracted. Also given your quote, an Asian women having a preference white guys is enough data to assume a supremacist mindset (“inferiority complex…white washed”), so you do not seem to think this pattern of behavior can subject to exceptions.
Further, note how all of your post is framed as a series of rebuttals to the author’s article. You are implicitly stating that the author’s quote “Is there a name for Asian women who like white guys? I feel like I should know, but I don’t.” is not a valid defense for consistently dating a race as a matter of preference by setting it up as a quote to be refuted. Which is to say, for you, racism must be central to any Asian woman with a preference for white men and not an isolated, independently occurring phenomenon. If it was, it would make no sense to use your quote as a rebuttal since isolated cases can not be, by definition, used as representative.
OP: “Attraction can take a purely visual life of its own independent of holistic evaluations of superiority or inferiority.”
KING PHISHER: Really? Wow!!!
-OP If you agree with me. Why do you make this quote below?
JAY”What’s the difference if the guy dating Asians is himself white, Asian, or whatever?”
KING PHISHER The difference is obviously that of culture.
-OP Obviously? Didn’t you in the above quote, just state that attraction can be purely visually based and exist independent of any other criteria? You must agree then that whether a man is asian, white, black, or whatever and has preference towards asian women it could be because of a solely visual attraction independent of non-visual concerns such as culture. So why is the difference “obviously” that of culture? If an asian woman exclusively dates white men, and attraction based on looks has a life of its own, then it could be because she simply prefers the white look regardless of other criteria. So why is culture “obviously” the default explanatory mechanism for an asian woman consistently preferring white males. For someone who supposedly agrees with my visual-attraction argument, it doesn’t show in your original post to the author.
OP”For instance, its possible to be attracted to someone that one does not respect (a prostitute used for a fling for instance) or to be unattracted to one that one respects intensely (an elderly mentor).”
KINGPHISHER It’s possible to drive a car forwards or backwards….again tell us something we don’t know.
-OP Okay. Just because an Asian woman dates white men only does not mean she respects or views white people as inherently superior. If you can realize that, you will stop making some of the arguments that you do.
JAY”Would it be better if I were attracted only to white women or only blond women?”
KINGPHISHER That depends on what YOU perceive as “better”.
-OP This statment is unfair. You treat his potentially being attracted only to white women or only to blond women as a matter of perceiving them as “better” versus more/less/uniquely attractive. As explained in earlier posts, in this one, and in remarks where you claim to agree with this sentiment, its possible to be uniquely solely attracted to an ethnic group based on looks.
As far as “directly” answering the question goes, no you didn’t. Jay wasn’t asking whether he would date asian women if he found asian women more preferential or white women if he found white women more preferential. That’s a silly question, of course he would date whichever he perceived as best. And in the context of the article, this line of questioning makes no sense. If he trying to validate his preferential dating of asian, he would be pondering over whether this preference is acceptable not over whether he would date asian women if he found them more attractive. Rather, what he was getting at is that if he found white women more attractive and preferentially dated them, would this pattern of behavior be a better pattern. To use an analogy, he’s asking if there are apples and oranges and he prefers oranges would it be better if he prefers apples. Not, “if I see oranges as better would I choose oranges” (silly question and thus a strawman to accuse the author of asking)? Just think about it logically, how does your reply give a coherent answer to his question? He asked if it would be better if he prefers white women. Your “better” perception response only tells him that he would date white women if he preferred them (obviously), it does not tell him how he should feel THAT he experiences white women as more attractive and thus dates them more. Think about this way, the fact that an asian woman feels caucasian men are more attractive and dates them exclusively is (OBVIOUSLY) a matter of her perception of them as more attractive. You acknowledge this simple logic. Yet people such as yourself, feel THAT she exclusively dates caucasian man is not a matter of her subjective evaluation. You feel you can judge that sort of dating trend as an inferiority complex based form of brainwashing that produces a living “disgrace to asian society”. Note the two different concepts and your different reactions. You reacted to the author as if he was pontificating on the former concept when he was focusing on the latter. If you were, in fact, commenting on the acceptability of preferentially dating one race and not on the logical implications of finding one race, in general, more attractive then by your remarks you find it a subjective affair whether it is a good thing that one exclusively dates outside of one’s race. Why all the judgmental language then? You feel confident enough declaring white preferring asian women, matter of factly, as trash, a “disgrace”.
OP”There are people who date asians because of notions of racial superiority or fantasies based on cultural stereotypes, but it isn’t necessarily the case.”
KINGPHISHER Huh?
-OP Asian women are stereotypically considered hypersexual or submissive in american culture.
KINGPHISHER Also, you can make a point without accusing someone of drug use. That is possible, just saying.
When you have to resort to blaming or putting down a group or race of people to justify your own choice for a certain race of men or women, you lose all respect and credibility and voluntarily made yourself the village idiot…
-OP For reasons outlined above, I hope you were making this statement incidentally. For some cases, asian women do chase caucasian men out of an internalized inferiority complex. But not for others, so you must realize that your arguments are not representative of the groups and cases you discuss and thus cannot be used against the author’s claim that he is not racist for preferring to date asians or that asians who exclusively date white men do so inherently on racist grounds if that was your intent. That approach is no more defensible than to refute the claim that my boat will cross the river without sinking because 34% of boats of my model sink. Phrased differently, if I say “my boat can cross the river without sinking”; it’s untenable to say “no you can’t because 34% of your models sink”. It’s possible but unfair to assume such is automatically the case, just as its unfair to automatically label an asian women brain-washed simply because she prefers white men when no further data is given, which you have done.
Ta Ta.
@KINGPHISHER
I am not criticizing people who criticize WMAF relationships, I am criticizing people who automatically judge consistently or exclusively dating another race as a racist act. In fact, it will be argued below this is not a claim you can logically impute to me, in regards to this post (hint: think about the person STEVE who I reference in my original post).
Nowhere in my post do I state or imply that my target audience is people who do not find WMAF relationships unacceptable due to the belief that every one of them is the product of racist thinking; my target audience is people such as you, Steve, and countless others I have met in life and across the internet who seem to think that if an asian women dates every race and ends up with a white man it is acceptable but if she exclusively dates white men and marries one, she can automatically be labeled as racist minded, brain-washed, etc… without any further investigation whatsoever.
Let’s take the case of Steve, who posted somewhere in the last few pages of this post page, to set the record straight.
Steve is in a WMAF relationship, is willing to date members of any race, and considers the author racist for primarily dating asian women. Obviously, as I am responding with him in mind, I am not writing to refute people who think all WMAF relationships are born of racism. Why would I reference someone in a WMAF relationship in my posts if that were the case? I am not trying to refute his negative opinion of WMAF relationships which does not have (the opinion) but his negative automatic opinion of anyone who consistently dates another particular race as racist.
So, logically speaking, why would you think I am trying to refute people who negatively judge every WMAF relationship when the poster I respond in comparable volume to you is himself in a WMAF relationship?
I am not, my arguments are geared towards STEVE as the politically correct zealot who judges anyone consistently dating one race as a fetishist. His beliefs, in this regard, are premature, judgmental, and hurtful. If you keep this idea in mind, my post makes considerably more sense. My post and its arguments are geared towards people like him and they do exist (just check the last few pages) so I feel my making a post was warranted and not a vain defense against prejudicial bogeymen.
Lastly, given the arguments above, your first sentence in your reply to my post is itself a strawman. I am not stating that there are people who judge every WMAF negatively (although, for the record, there are); I am saying that consistent raced based dating patterns arise purely based purely on the looks aspect and that there are instances where this pattern is automatically regarded as racist. And yes, there ARE people who seem entitled to dole out these sorts of automatic judgments.
As an asian female,
I find many white men dirty.
I’ve been approached by so many sleazy white men who sexualise us asian females.
On top of that many white man who have a preference for asian talk down on white women.
It’s so sad to see and hear.
I’m fine with interracial dating but if you have an exclusive preference of a race that right there is racist. I have had many negative experiences and that is why I will never date a white guy.
It also goes both ways as many asian girls are also white washed and it’s a true meaning they only crave for white men due to some form of brain washing.
A friend of mine who is an asian female and also quite attractive exclusively dates white men until she realised most of the white men she dated are losers. It took her one really bad relationship to open her eyes and realise white men should not be worshipped.
She is now single but her last relationship was with an asian man whom I thought she would marry but as it turns out the asian man was no longer interested after finding out she had only dated white men. She’s torn apart and I feel so bad for her.
I am one of those ‘douchebag’ ESL teachers here in China and I have to say, in my seven years living and working here, I can count on the fingers of one hand people who have flown here to become ‘full time sexual predators’ out of the hundreds of teachers I know.
I have had one Chinese girlfriend in all my time here who eventually became my wife and the mother of my children. I never would have predicted marrying a Chinese woman but fate took a hand – and if we discount fate and just look at the numbers – 750 million Chinese women are in this country – then it is not that big a surprise that a lot of ESL teachers in China date and marry Chinese women.
I have never had an attraction for Asian women previous to living here and if I am being honest, now I am here, I still find a good 80% of the women here unattractive – a bit like back home where I find 80% of the women there unattractive – and back home they come in all colours and nationalities, so I don’t personally have ‘yellow fever’ where an Asian woman makes an appearance and I come in my pants – something you can’t claim I bet.
Going back to the ‘white male sexual predator in China’ It is urban myth, do you think for one minute if a ‘laowai’ is over here bedding girls and breaking hearts then he is going to get away with it for any length of time? In the big cities like Beijing and Shanghai – white men are not fawned over by young Chinese girls anymore, in the smaller cities – everyone knows your business and word would get around super quick. These girls have brothers, fathers, friends and it is not like back home where the law will save your arse – especially if you are a foreigner and you have ‘been asking for it’.
I know my marriage will be viewed unfavorably by racists who think I am some kind of sexual fetish freak who wants to ravage all delicate yellow skinned women and that she is a green card hustler who can’t wait to get out of China but neither case is anywhere near the truth. I am very lucky to have married a warm, loving woman who is a great mother to our children and I am very happy but if I had stayed at home, I would have never ever married an Asian woman.
So who is the fetishist who your typical Asian girl around town should look out for – you or me? And remember, I am the ESL teacher!
I think it is well known that asian women don’t discriminate against white men, hence you find these relationships. Relationships are formed under the invitation of the woman. White men don’t play a deciding role here.
I have this, but t is hard to accept mostly because everyone will say it is creepy or I only like them for their eyes or something stupid and ignoran like that. I am in 7th grade, so people won’t understand, and again will probably say something that is completely obscured. Another problem is that one of my best friends is an Asian female, and she might think that now I want to be with her because of my preference. She is very pretty, beautiful even. I just don’t really want to lose that friendship with her, so I am going to keep it to myself for now. There aren’t many Asian woman where I live, which sucks for me. There is this one absolutely beautiful and gorgeous Thai girl. She is in 8h grade though, and we usually don’t up grades dating in Utah. I tried telling one of my good friends that I had the preference, then she thought that I was attracted to all Asian woman. It really bugs me, and so now I don’t talk to her. The fact the I have the preference is spreading around my school. I grew up with a moderately hard life so I am emotionally numb, so I don’t usually care what people think of me or the choices that I make. This does though, I am sick of people trying to set me up with every Asian chick that passes by. They’re not all attractive, it gets very annoying. I might switch schools.
it could be true, but I think asian women (especially asian american women) prefer white guys over asian men, I’m not white and I don’t know why people says “he has asian fetish” when asian girls are more interested on white guys
The reason why white men are stereotyped in this way have their roots in reality. Hate to burst your bubble. But white men travel abroad and support sex tourism in developing Asian countries. I don’t know how many times I have heard a white friend of mine say that he wanted a “cute, submissive, Asian girl” Old expats live in these Asian countries and sincerely, it is paradise for them because most of these women need the money. A prostitute in Thailand can earn the average monthly salary of someone with a college education in Thailand in just one evening. Money talks. And then the older, fat divorcees ship their 19 year old Asian wives back home. So… a few perverts are ruining it for everyone.
I would tend to think the “creepy” bit comes in simply because Asians look so young. It is not uncommon for a 25 year old to look like they are in their mid teens, men and women. Therefore, western people percieve “yellow fever” as creepy because the average age difference is 3 years in a marriage and western men and women always look their age.
I personally think Asian women are pushy, bossy and rude. I am an attractive white woman but I find Asian women to be impatient, fiery and gossipy. God forbid you cross an Asian female friend. All hell breaks loose. I think there is a unique beauty about them sure, but there is a unique beauty to individual women from all over the world. Almost universally, men tend to prefer white women above any other race. Just ask my friend who has lived all over Asia and throughout Africa.
I find some of these comments utterly ridiculous. Obviously, clicking onto any article about interracial dating is bound to have the standard racist comments – that’s only to be expected and easily ignored – but ignorance from people who really should know better? Like the May 14th Anonymous below me (way to ignore “Preconceived Notion #2”) and Lina, who posted on May 1st; your attitude is just disturbing and it sounds like you need to ditch about half a dozen stereotypes about white men.
This article sums up everything one needs to know about white men who have an interest in Asian women. Personally, my preference for Asian women is just that; a preference. In much the same way other people can prefer a certain hair colour, eye colour or breast size, I have a racial preference. That certainly doesn’t (and shouldn’t) brand me a racist or other derogatory term. How it became so readily acceptable to brand every white male with a preference for Asians as having “Yellow Fever” or an Asian Fetish is beyond me. I find both terms rather insulting. Not just for the men but the women too.
Preconceived Notion #2 above is what really made this article great, in my opinion, because of all the stereotypes I’ve heard associated with this preference, that’s the most bothersome one. It seems to based entirely on guesswork rather than rational thought, as if someone just sat down and said “what? He prefers ASIANS!? Ugh, I knew it, he’s just anti-feminist! Yeah, he wants someone submissive, at his beck and call to do whatever he says!” And we know that’s nonsense.
As JaySpark wrote above “I am more attracted to Asian women than any other women. I don’t know why”. That’s just it. I feel the same way. That’s not to say I don’t find women of other races attractive or every Asian woman attractive. It’s just a preference. How on Earth so many people can make such a big deal out of something so simple is beyond me.
It’s 2011 but stupidity is still alive and well but with a different name. It’s now called “the internet”.
You “personally” think billions of strange women are rude. Really?
Well, I “personally” feel that as “an attractive white woman” you evidently not rude or gossipy at all.
What An Example!
There is definitely an unique beauty in you for sure.
BTW,God forbid you cross any Asian female.
As a white male I don’t see what the problem is with interracial dating between whites and asians. For the past 3 years I’ve been dating a beautiful asian woman and she is the love of my life. There is no superiority/inferiority issue going on. We are equals in every way. I’m going to ask her to marry me as soon as they get the ring fitted. I’m sorely dissapointed in all of the racists in the comment section who claim that they would never date a white male or asian female. There are alot of horrible stereotypes and generalizations going on and I thought we, as a country, moved passed that.
I feel bad for the asian women that only date white boys, because they delude themselves into believing race has nothing to do with the relationship. You can tell yourself whatever you want, but you know everytime you guys are out as a couple and you pass another asian girl, you feel threatened and want to know if your boyfriend’s checking her out.
It’s sad when those girls swear he’s blind to her race. Let me tell you, his friends, who probably know every sexual detail about them, would disagree. When it’s just the boys, the truth comes out and guys talk completely different. Then again, a lot of these same women hate their own race and will only date white boys, so maybe they deserve each other.
If this post hurt your feelings then it probably applies to you
I don’t feel society will ever rid of discrimination, but someday maybe racism. There’s always going to be some kind of inferiority or superiority conflicts with human beings, that’s human nature. The only way to see each other as a human being is to accept the differences and to try to understand them. There are far too many ignorances, stereotypes that could be viewed as being racist even though the intentions may have been just for entertainment (like the media). On the other hand, the media could start becoming more diverse and allow more minorities as the star instead of being represented as mostly marginalized characters. And asian men seem to be the least attractive while white men seem to be the most attractive who usually gets the girl and Asian men usually does not. This is one reason white male/asian female tend to look racist (there’s more of this pairing).
I’m going to say it and if people are offended that is not my intention. Most white men who are with Asian women are those who could not get a white woman. So, for whatever reason, they pick an Asian woman who will accept them because in comparison they are a better deal for the Asian woman than an Asian man. I am an Asian woman and reject all the white men who approach me because I know they are relating to me based on a stereotype/concept instead of me as a person. If I were a white woman then in this Western society then most white guys who would approach me would relate to me as an individual. I would also guess that blue-eyed Malibu blondes probably get approached by alot of darker men for the same reasons that white men go after Asian women. Based on stereotype and media fantasy. And don’t forget the whole trophy thing.
I simply find some particular asian women more atractive then their white american counterparts. I completely agree with the author, except for the fact that I don’t frequently date many women. I think we should find 1 and stay with them, not enjoy everything we can get our hands on.
my 2 cents, lol.
~ A beautiful girl, is a beautiful girl ^_^
~ To those of you who think asian women are always submissive, innocent, and cute, I suggest you watch the movie ” Audition ”
Funny how no one mentions horrible comments about mail order Russian brides or western European ladies. All the same rules apply there as well. Old men from usa go there in hopes to claim a piece of paradise.
And to all the women who can’t even imagine why in the world a guy would fly to another country to have relations with a beautiful young girl ~ you must be too busy choking on some wood during one of your bachelorette parties with the chip and dale boys! haha
If you are interested in WMAF, this link is
the grand collection on this topic:
http://fafast.com/play?white+guys+asian+girls
Let’s get one thing straight:
Asian women are not the “second choice” of white men. Dating-age white men that date Asian women are not doing so because they couldn’t get white women. Asian women might not discriminate against white men as much as they discriminate against other men but quality white women tend to *strongly* prefer to date white men. White women make themselves very available to white men and thus they are in fact much easier for us to date than Asian women.
I am a young white male and I am open to dating Asian women for the following reasons:
1) Though I am blond, I have always liked brunettes. My family says that even as a toddler I stared at brunette women.
2) Asian women tend to have strong family values, as do I.
3) Asian women tend to value education, as do I.
The perhaps 15-25% chunk of the young white male population that likes Asian women tend to be college-educated, marriage/family-oriented white men with careers in the sciences, healthcare, etc. We might have gone to university in a place like California, where we were impressed by the self-discipline that some of our Asian peers displayed there. We probably came from educated, affluent families and we may have even grown up in wealthy suburbs where we saw relatively few non-white Americans before the age of 18.
I’m curious about Asian women and have dated Asian women before but I know that white women are far more approachable. Asian women tend to be under tremendous pressure from their relatives *and* “friends” to not date white guys. The fact that the lion’s share of these caucasian men come from good backgrounds, have great senses of humor, are loving, family-oriented, and insightful matters not because intense peer pressure keeps the eyes of many Asian women away from Caucasian men and fixated on Asian men only. White women, on the other hand, are happy to talk to, laugh with, and enter relationships with white men.
Claims by Asians that Asian women who date white men are “whores”, “race-traitors”, or “sell-outs” can be seen abundantly on the internet and serve as evidence of this peer pressure, as can some of the things posted in the comments section of this very article. A quick glance through the archives of websites like ‘Asia’s Finest’ will reveal numerous calls by Asian men for the *execution* of Asian women who date white men. This shows the sort of disdain many Asians have for the happiness of Asian women. I wouldn’t call Asian women who date white men any of the above pejorative terms, but I will call them “Brave” given the way other Asians love to hold the threat of pariah over their head.
Speaking for myself, as an Asian man, I don’t question why white guys date Asian women. That is not surprising. However, I do question why so damn many Asian women say YES so easily to these advances. (I also question why so damn few Asian guys get the comparable favorable response from white women; but that’s different issue.)
Well, my white friends, the reason that you have a such a very easy time getting Asian women is because they themselves are very easy to get.
http://www.bu.edu/phpbin/news-cms/news/?dept=692&id=52827
It appears that a recent Boston University study has discovered that “Asian American women had a higher prevalence of STDs than White women in both 1995 (10.4% vs. 7.7) and 2001 (13.5% vs. 8.3%).” Apparently Asian women get to YES! VERY easily for you.
But while you white guys and your Asian women are mixing it up, we Asian men are not. “Asian American women were four times more likely to have a STD than their male counterparts. ‘This was shocking,’ said Hahm, ‘It was so much higher than the males.’”
So my white friends, the data speaks for itself. There is something more than Asian “peer pressure” at work here that is driving Asian women to white guys, and contrary to the naysayers, the grievances of Asian men are completely justified.
Some of these comments are so racist and its people like them which need to be removed from the world. Its 2011, get over it, there’s going to be interacial dating whether you like it not. Having a preference in race is not racist. Its just having a type, like tall or short people. I prefer mixed race people, but have dated mainly white guys.’Pure bred’ individuals are more likely to have undesriable defects and diseases. Its scientifically proven becuase there is a smaller gene pool. Sterotyping any race such as ‘white men being dirty’ or ‘asian women being bossy’ is just ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with having tradtional values or preferring to marry someone of the same race, but if you have time to write down racist comments then you need to get a life and face up to reality.
I agree. Everyone has the right to date whoever they want, race specific or not.. There are many mixed races..need to get over it. I’ve received so many requests to keep this site just specific to Asian Americans who only date Asians and I’m sorry, I just can’t do it. You can’t help who you are attracted to..I’m not limiting Asians/Asian Americans to anything!
While I’m not offended by your opinion, and I’m certainly not suggesting it isn’t true at times, it certainly seems close-minded. Is it really that hard to accept that some people have genuine interest in a race other than their own that isn’t driven by societal pressure? I’d certainly like to have at least that type of faith in humanity.
Also, I find it somewhat funny you press this perception on white men but not Asian men. Shouldn’t there be some hesitation that an Asian man is approaching you simply because that’s what society has told him to do and/or he doesn’t feel confident enough to date outside his race? I’m sure that happens from time to time while many Asian men simply prefer an Asian woman as well, yet you don’t categorically judge their intentions as disingenuous do you?
I gotta give it to the guy who wrote this article. He’s basically thinking kinda what I’m thinking. While I’ve been attracted to women of various races I’ve always been attracted to asian women the most. It’s not a “noone else wants me, so I’ll go asian” thing, its a “I think she’s beautiful I’d like to know about her thing.” It’s not a “she’s asian so I automatically like her” thing either.
I totally agree with Preconceived notion #2. This is only true for really traditionally Asian women and mostly either not born in the US or came at a much alter time in their adult lives. I happen to have many Asian women friends and I can tell you that they are smart and not submissive.
THANK YOU. For this article. So much. You are a top guy!
As a 19 year asian female thats mostly dated white guys (though one asian guy and one brown) I get laid into all kinds of dumb stereotypes all the time everyday…!
There are just so many stereotypes for asian girls and the reasons apparently “(all) white guys love them” I wont waste time going there except to just say it just cracks me up because many of them contradict each other- e.g. asian girls dumb/naive/submissive yet smart/dominant/bossy/anal and… super sexual/slutty yet nerdy/innocent….like umm haters- wanna make up your minds there?
Stereotypes about asians wanting to be white? Hating their own race? Only being with white guys that couldnt get white women? How dumb and ignorant and sad can people be- specifically I believe some white women (definitely not all of course) that make these things up to make themselves feel better about ‘white guys prefering asian girls’ Its unfair to everyone really to make these dumb comments. Unfair to white guys- putting them- implying theyre inferior for liking asian girls or something- which of course is a big diss to asian girls as well- everyone can have their own preferences on things… why should people be put down or restrained or questioned about loving a person from another race?
I could rant for ages about all this shiet but I’ll try sum this up a bit now…
I prefer dark skin actually and have celeb crushes like taylor lautner and cristiano ronaldo. My current bf has light skin and is white. deffs not a nerd. has had all white gfs before. I love him for who he is- I dont think about his race really (- ok except the fact he’s irish and has a hot irish accent 😀 )
Seriously why should white guys and asian girls have to put up with these dumbass comments about their relationships? Haters need to learn how to expand themselves, adventure themselves and also question themselves and their own relationships . People that are secure with themselves will not be putting down others nd their relationships but know how to be happy for them not jealous ! Dont get me started on asian guys and black girls though. They will get even more shiet believe me I have 2 friends like that- all the comments about big, black, rough, rowdy, ugly black girls and small, nerdy, non social, small dicked asian boys- yet they manage to go strong! – and are really the opposite of those stereotypical qualities (though i cant speak really for the dick one)
But yes. TO whoever’s reading this if the OP or anyone- its cheesy but seriously its 2011 already- less hating, more appreciating!! 🙂
http://www.silentsaregolden.com/photos/colleenmoore.jpg
This is why I’m attracted to Asian women. I’m looking for my Colleen Moore. She could be white or she could be Asian.
I’m an asian woman and i love white guys but i guess that’s because i grew up in a western society (Australia). You see, i was literally ‘adopted’ into western culture so i’m gussing that’s the basis for me liking white men. Although, sometimes i do wonder if i hadn’t been adopted, would i be into asian guys or white guys? Hmmm who knows? Anyway, it shouldn’t matter where people come from, it’s the fact that two people feel connected is all that matters. Peace out!
Well said.
Oh well, there is not real mystery….it is simple fetishism….people have preferences…for dark skin, light skin, whatever…there are genetic, cultural and social and economic reasons….it is a mix…but if you have the ability to attract all sorts and you choose one…it is a sexual fetishism. A bit like your favourite sex might be anal…why anal? It just floats your boat more than anything else…why? again, all sorts of roots…probably not genetic but cerainly to do with the psych sexual chemistry make up, which is partly genetic too, but not wholly.
The asian woman looks very unwestern, with the eyes especially and a strong genetic drive is to spread genes, to breed out…asian women represent new fertile ground for the psych sexual libido to explore and conquer…thus, other women may be too obtainable, too numerous in your society…there is an analogous white fetishism among some asian men and very much so among black men, met willingly by many white women with their own dark sexual fantasies at work.
Some asian women are very beautiful, but many are downright plain. Why is there no Indian woman fetish? well, one reason is that asian women…or oriental women have been fetishized in porn and white men take their cue from that to some extent…indian women are much harder to find in porn, I know i have looked! 🙂
Also partly the negative sterotype has to do with asian women marrying for reason of a better life….look at all the dating sites where ugly old fat rich white men obtain women out of their league…I see white male asian female couples wander around supermarkets and they often walk separate aisles to avoid the looks he gets because it is a bit like a man getting stares when he comes out of a brothel…knowing looks and smiles…(1)asian women are very distinctive looking, (2)porn fetishism , (3)the mail order bride phenomenon..heavily shapes our perceptions of asian women white male relationship..it is not fair to characterize all such relationships, but it is also not wholly unfair.
Asian men are not seen by asian women as attractive or muscular as white or black men, as attested in surveys of asian women…asian men rate equal to attractiveness to asian girls…wheras most black women prefer black men and white women white men…so asian women are highly open to the possibilty of dating outside her race and when you combine that with divorces in western society and older men obtaining younger asian women and the fetishism in porn of the asian lady we see the contours of the present state.
On dicks, asian men are smaller a bit and blacks bigger but not so much as is thought…being bisexual I seen it from many viewpoints…
a recommendation: if you don’t like how people diss your relationship and many other AF / WM relationships, don’t start the controversy. All those stereotypes or biased opinions about this is has a lot of reasons and one of them is that you (AF / WM dating go to kind a of victimization in this regard, people have prejudices, but you don’t have to justify them your relationship and your choices
Can u be 100% certain its the Asian men that
say all that.
U really Chinese? Or some D bag pretending 2
b one.
Real lame. You senile kumquat.
Really? Well we’re going to pout
about that. Sniff sniff sniff.
I think some men look for women that will keep their beauty as they grow old. Using that as a criteria, I just ruled out most all white and Indian women. Another factor is a girl that doesn’t weigh more than you, now or in the future. That just ruled out most Hispanic and Black women. That leaves just Asian women. Asian women always seems to be able to maintain their weight and beauty. I have an Asian fetish only because I know they won’t weigh more than me and I’m not scared of being crushed to death during sex.
I think Indian girls are the prettiest girls ever, without competition, until they reach the age of 15-16 then it’s downhill from there. White women can have angelic beauty but can’t stand the time-test. Around the age of 50, ALL white women cut their hair short and start dressing like John Denver. Hispanic women could give Asian women some competition, but only if they put the burritos & tacos down once in awhile. Black women get bonus points for personality which actually makes them more beautiful with weight and age. Indians and Eskimos never got out of the gate.
This has been my observation and most people agree except for overweight people and John Denver.
There’s no Indian woman fetish because they are hairy and they stink
That’s why I am attracted by Asian women. I am looking for my partner through live sex chat
What you described by definition is indeed “yellow fever”.
I agree that sometimes it’s just a matter of preference. You just prefer oranges to apples , because you do. No one is supposed to judge you on that. With that said, your argument “I was crazy about Esther because I was attracted to Koreans” doesn’t serve its purpose in this context. You say it’s just about the looks so it would be the same as “I was crazy about her because she’s blond”. To me, be it Korean or blond, analogically, it is a weak argument to defend your position of “I don’t dehumanize”, because you loved the person with such homogeneous reason. Plus, people can relate themselves more to “s/he reminds me of my ex” sentiment, so I don’t think this preconception is that biased. But we all know we can’t recapture any of our past relationships with anyone, don’t we?
john denver won’t agree or disagree since he’s dead. haha
I agree that sometimes it’s just a matter of preference. You just prefer oranges to apples , because you do. No one is supposed to judge you on that. With that said, your argument “I was crazy about Esther because I was attracted to Koreans” doesn’t serve its purpose in this context. You say it’s just about the looks so it would be the same as “I was crazy about her because she’s blond”. To me, be it Korean or blond, analogically, it is a weak argument to defend your position of “I don’t dehumanize”, because you loved the person with such homogeneous reason. Plus, people can relate themselves more to “s/he reminds me of my ex” sentiment, so I don’t think this preconception is that biased. But we all know we can’t recapture any of our past relationships with anyone, don’t we?
Interestingly, in the UK, where a much higher proportion of the population is of Indian/Pakistani ancestry, a lot of white men have a preference for Indian women… and the other way around. I had an Indian female friend at college who used to say that she and her friends found white men “exotic”.
ATTENTION ASIAPHILES!!!
Read below:
I was once like yourself, but I cannot cure you. It takes a person training their own mind in order to change your preference.
Instead, I will help you another way.
Here is a list of tips on how to HIDE your asiaphilia from an asian woman you are attempting to court:
1. Wear sunglasses.
The main way asian women can tell a man is an asiaphile by the look in his eyes, and a person can tell a lot about a person just by looking in the other persons eyes (their mood, their attitude, etc.)
2. Make sure you are hygienic.
This is a given for in any situation with a woman. Asiaphiles as asians call you, and once called me, are identified by a certain disgusting thing about them. A lot of asians have made the observation that a lot of asiaphiles dont shower, and some dont shave, and some dont do either. Make sure you are shaven and showered in the mornings. Make sure to get those hair cuts every now and then.
3. Work on your social skills.
Social awkwardness can come off bad. In fact, it almost always does. Make sure you are not nervous when talking to one. Try not to stutter, or say “um” too much.
4. Talk to her like any woman of your own race.
Not all of them are foreighn, so dont try to talk to them in some random asian language. And dont speak slowly either.
When attempting to make conversation, dont ask her where she is from, or about her culture, and dont talk endlessly about how great you think asian culture is. Talk to her like a woman of your own race.
5. Dont be racist.
This should be a given, but dont talk about asian steotypes, or make fun of asians, or say that asian men are inferior to her face. try to be racially sensitive.If you seem racist, then she may suspect you are an asiaphile.
6. Respect her like any other woman of your own race.
If you have nor respect for women, then I cant help you.
BOYCOTT AMERICAN WOMEN
Why American men should boycott American women
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I am an American man, and I have decided to boycott American women. In a nutshell, American women are the most likely to cheat on you, to divorce you, to get fat, to steal half of your money in the divorce courts, don’t know how to cook or clean, don’t want to have children, etc. Therefore, what intelligent man would want to get involved with American women?
American women are generally immature, selfish, extremely arrogant and self-centered, mentally unstable, irresponsible, and highly unchaste. The behavior of most American women is utterly disgusting, to say the least.
This blog is my attempt to explain why I feel American women are inferior to foreign women (non-American women), and why American men should boycott American women, and date/marry only foreign (non-American) women.
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Hi nozomi, i would have to disagree with u on “wish to look more like asian..”. Fyi, many mixed race women in my country, indonesia, and many asian countries are distinguishly stand out and hot, and many of them are working as models, and many of them don’t look too much towards asian looks as well 🙂 don’t you know mixed race models are in hot demand now? You should love yourself for who you are, and i’m sorry to say this, but i think your dad is wrong, dead wrong…
Ok you must be jocking, are you so angry with american (I suppose white) women, that you have to make a blog to boycott them? you’re the perfect definition of PATHETIC loser and can you be more specific with your definition of “american”? don’t forget that americans can be white, black, ASIAN, hispanic, even arab women too, BTW why do you need more men involved in your “campaing” against them? can’t you be more autonomous?
I agree. Asian women can be incredibly hostile and competitive toward white women, most of the time without just cause. Im guessing this is the result of low self-esteem, carry-over of traditional confucian beliefs that a woman is basically nothing w/o a man, and plain old garden-variety jealousy.
As in any race, some asian women are stunning, some homely, and the vast majority fall somewhere in the middle. Guys, if you are with an asian woman with the expectation that her dewy freshness isn’t going to fade, well, all I can say is you are in for a bit of shock. They don’t fare any better than white women in the aging sweepstakes- they just age in a different way. A lot of Asian women tend to get hard-faced and MEAN looking after about age 35, especially the thin ones.
“Two big questions. Is it hard to believe I can see a woman as an individual and find her attractive for being Asian? Is it hard to believe my preference is something I was born with?”
For one, you answered the question yourself. One one hand you claim to see a woman as an individual, but then you immediately categorize her as an “Asian”. Your preference for Asian women is for the group as a whole. You might meet one and then focus on her as an individual. But that basically breaks down to you focusing on Asians, then getting to know the individual once you’ve gotten their attention. Don’t try to make it anything other than what it really is.
On that note, it is hard to believe that your preference is something that you were born with. That’s simply a flat out lie. As a caucasian male and a behavioral studies expert, I can tell you that the preferences develop based on your environment and things you are exposed to. My personal preference is also Asian women. That was not something that I was born with. But when it looks like a duck, and it walks like a duck . . . .you know the rest. Whether you want to call it yellow fever, asiaphilia, etc. It is what it is. Own up to it. I call it what it is, and I’m not ashamed of it.
The media can largely influence this. When Asian woman are typically ‘sexualized’ in movies and on television as exotic and seductive this influences the people that watch the programming, even if the viewer doesn’t realize it. They’re also portrayed as the significant others for the wealthy, the powerful, and/or the hero types. Again, attributes that men would like to equate to themselves; and because of the media programming, Asian women become attributable to that.
One is not born with it but it is hard to change it, and it is not a choice.
Most asiaphiles have been an asiaphile since they were very young. Thus they feel as though they were born with it. A lot of them are also angry with the asian american organisations, such as Yellowworld.org, who claim to know the asiaphile better than he knows himself.
I know all this because I was an asiaphile once myself. I will tell all the asiaphiles that happen upon tis post that if you work with your mind enough, you can change yourself. You can sure your yellow fever.
As one of the previous posts says you need help before you can have a meaningful relationship with anyone. My observation on number of points.
1. It’s possible that people made fun of you not because you like Asian women, but because of your approach toward it or because of who you are. People use any reason to make fun of other people they don’t like. I suspect if you were the most popular guy in class and you were confident enough about yourself and your preference, you wouldn’t be made fun of or you wouldn’t care what other people think. Don’t use Asian women as an excuse for your personality problem.
2. this post is not helping anyone. What are we supposed to learn from it? the fact that you’re shallow, dangerously insecure, and can’t construct solid arguments? You posted it for yourself and the alike to be vindicated. It doesn’t help Asian women “understand” as you intended. It never makes Asian women feel ok with White men like you. I think Asian women would rather want to hear about their good traits that you get attracted to, if you can see any beyond their looks. You don’t even stand up for Asian women. You stand up for yourself, being a White guy getting made fun of because of Asian women. The stereotypes are not on you but on Asian women. If you like them, justify them, not yourself preferring them because the post implies you admit they are bringing you and your reputation down, which is inherently degrading Asian women and making you a racist.
3. there are obviously psychological, temperament, and behavioral differences among cultures. You are simply not perceptive enough to see them. “being American” means people carry different cultures, values and ideas beyond the system , TV shows, and the passport we have.
4. Who’s telling you all those preconceived notions that affected you so much that you needed to compare yourself to gay people, whose struggles are much much nobler than your preposterous matter? You don’t get discriminated, rejected on a job, harassed or killed because you like Asian women. the only person who’s telling you the preconceived notions is you and I highly suspect it’s because all of them are true in your reality and you just don’t wanna admit it. The women you fantasize about deserve better and they find White men, who don’t worry about dating Asian women and can see them as individuals.
5. You worry too much about what other people think of you. This is dangerous because it makes your relationship unstable. Unless you’re an Alpha male and need a trophy wife, no one wants this kind of man and I think even those Alpha males are much better than you.
6. You need help. not because you like Asian women, but because you have a problem with your identity in a sense that you may not have one. You may end up making Asian women in your life miserable or look miserable to other people because they are with you, not because they are Asians and you’re white. Don’t victimize them.
LOL, you think you are some kind of genius?
Please give some form of evidence that you have a degree on psychology or your post is bullshit.
You are correct, gay people have it a lot worse than asiaphiles, but some bastards will go to great lengths to find out the asiaphiles personal info just so they can slander them. People also call them pedophiles. People purposely go out to make their lives as miserable as possible. Yes, gay people are treated worse but it does not make the actions of slander and such okay.
pussy
So a man is a pussy for stating that, although gay men have things worse, asiaphiles still have a bad thing going for them.
Me? I have cured myself of this psychological illness, and would love to share with you all the cure. The problem is so many asians online claim to have masters degrees in psychology, but fail to prove that they do. Because of this they see me saying im cured to be a lie, and claiming there is a cure to be bullshit. Therefor I am an enemy of Yellowworld.org.
Also, I cannot find the place where I found out about this, but what I said about slander was true. One time, an asian decided to post a fake ad, saying that “she” was looking for a non-asian man, and required a personal pic, the persons address, phone number, work place, name, and email. Then after getting this info from over 300 men, they decided to post it to several asian websites. It was a while ago that this happened, but the fact is that these men were slandered. Someone dropped their DOX and that is wrong morally. Also, this proves there are people out there that will go to great lengths to hurt them, and someone having it worse does not change this obvious fact.
What asiaphiles need to do is hide themselves.
As fascinating as it is to read an argument between two (or more?) “Anonymous” parties, it does get a little confusing. If you want everyone to understand what you’re saying, why not register a username? It takes 1 minute and costs nothing. You can use any weird name you want. You even get to upload your own avatar. So come on, how about it?
Well, it doesn’t take a psychology degree to see what’s going on in the author’s mind. Your argument is if it’s said by a psychologist, you will agree. Inferiority complex right there. If you didn’t like what you went through, sue them for slander or privacy violation if there’s a statute for that one. That’s what I would do. The law should be on your side if you insist on your human rights that much. Unfortunately, in this society, sometimes you have to make a choice between being likable lying to yourself or being honest with yourself , even that means a fight with lash back from other narrow minded people.
You chose to hide your preference because you’d made a choice to give into the lash back from whatever website and “cured” your “psychological illness” so what’s your problem now?
My problem is that no one believes I have changed myself. I hate to see asiaphiles suffer but I can not help because they don’t trust me and asians don’t believe it is possible that an asiaphile knows himself better than they do unless he has a psych degree. I was basing smug bastards that do have psychology degrees that think they can read minds. I was calling psychology bullshit.
I want to make things better between us and them by helping you guys learn how to cure yourselves, but yellowworld is run and used by hackers who will delete any forums that are made to help asiaphiles.
ok, I see your point. I believe it is changeable only if one wants to change it. so I’m not against your position. but at the same time, I don’t think it’s a nice thing to treat this preference like illness but if you mean more like “addiction to one specific thing”, you could categorize as such, I guess.
I get your point , I do. but the original author’s post is not intended for changing the preference and this site is not yellowworld so I think your post is a little bit off the mark?
As I stated earlier, I don’t think the problem with the post itself is not him liking Asian women but the rationale and manifestation behind it. and I’m sure you know what I’m talking about.
and I can say this much : I can only imagine the struggle you went through to approach to your psyche and you must’ve taken a lot of guts to do it and if you’re happier now, that’s what matters most.
Maybe some people choose to be open about it regardless of what other people think, so “cure” may not be the only option for them? either way, it’s very nice of you to try to help at least. I kind of wanna further talk to you about this matter. that would be interesting.
Alright, I will admit that calling it an illness is a bit harsh. But it was the harshness of many that caused me to spend 2 years curing myself.
You will have a very hard time getting an asian girlfriend if you are an asiaphile. This is why I suggest hiding it as much as possible, so nobody thinks you are an asiaphile.
Great tips! haha As an Asian woman, I agree. You can call me an anglophile. 🙂
I like Kaiser soze’s mentality. He hates yellowworld for being a dwelling place for the biggest rat hole on this earth.
Every asiaphile should try and cure himself but fuck asian girls anyways just to spite yellowworld and all the other Hacker groups out there.
LULZ:
http://www.modelminority.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_ccboard&view=forumlist&Itemid=53
As someone who had dated only one Asian woman prior to moving to Japan, I wouldn’t say I had a fetish at all. Even in Japan I’d get asked why I preferred Japanese women. Basically, the answer was there were few “white” women there and the pool was not exactly inviting vs. the ENTIRE Japanese population I could cherrypick from.
OK an exaggeration but you can see what I mean.
But, to put it the way my buddy Barton put it back in 1985: “Japanese women put out and shut up.” In other words there’s none of that Christian guilt or Western neurosis. The flip side is some want the knight in shining armour to “save” them from Japanese society (this would take a PhD thesis for me to explain so you guys do the research on all that as I cannot be bothered as this post is long enough).
I feel sorry for you but you may as well enjoy yourself and stay as you are since any other kind of woman is obviously much better off without you.
You serious? Homeboy likes bangin Asian girls and writes a 3000 word essay in an attempt to justify it. I in fact DO have a degree in psychology but all I really get from this is our man doesn’t feel ok about liking Asian women. Why not? Who cares? everyone has their preferences…how can you compare yourself to someone who is gay? Asiaphiles? is that even a word…what the hell is going on here? Thing I want to know is with the vast cultural differences and language barriers do you really feel you’ve got anything in common with these women? i’ve spent years in Asia and never had an Asian girlfriend…they are pretty but what a hassle. Maybe these dudes just feel guilty they are so shallow? White boy stop even thinking about this crap. Poon who you want and dont give a flying fark what anyone thinks. This is honestly the craziest stuff I’ve ever seen. I’d love to write more but I have to go start a website because I prefer blonds over brunettes. Don’t apologise, don’t justify anything…do what makes you happy. Asian women are woman…high maintenance and materialistic but people all the same. If they make you happy then go for it. The history of prostitution gives youa bad name, guys who can’t get girls but can score in Aisa give you a bad name and people (in my opinion somewhat rightly in many cases) don’t take the relationship seriously because basically the communication, cultural and language difficulties make you look shallow. But who cares. They are just stereotypes
I was once an asiaphile myself, and I will say that asiaphiles lack a sense of self purpose, but have a great sense of nihilism.
It is really pretty sad. An asiaphile cannot really love. Some think what they have with their girl is love, some think there is no such a thing as love, only lust.
I will say right here and right now, love is greater than lust, and is better than anything you could ever feel.Lust is such a temporary thing. Merely having sex with many girls may seem like fun, but love is much greater.
Before I was an asiaphile, which by my standards is a guy that only likes asian girls, is because I saw many shows when I was young that made them seem undesirable, which had the opposite effect. I am one to like everything that I think everyone hates. Whenever I watch the Superbowl, I find out which team everyone is rooting for and root for the opposite team.
I also confused them with goth/emo/scene girls in my youth. I dated a white emo girl for a while once, and felt a sense of affection for I have not felt in a while. I think it may be the feeling of love, as I liked her for not only her looks but her personality also. Eventually I got bored of her, and stopped paying attention to her. She dumped me for this.
It was not because I thought I could not get white girls, or because I thought an asian girl would never dump me, that I became an asiaphile. I thought asian girls were hot initially. I actually became an asiaphile when I figured that if I dated a girl I thought was really hot, I would not neglect her, and I thought asian girls were very hot.
I had not felt the feeling i had when around a girl I truly wanted to be with during the time I was an asiaphile. I did not believe in relationships, but wanted only to have sex. I was devoid of a soul, and did not think love was possible.
Then, by a fortunate event I will not speak of I was cured. Not long after that, I was working with people that were much like me in terms of personality and interest. There was this one cute girl I was into, that had fair skin and brown hair and freckles, my type of white girl, and another girl with red hair that seemed to be into me, and I love red heads. Last but not least there were two black girls that I was not attracted to at first, but shined over time as I knew them, and they seemed to like me. Then I felt the very thing I had not felt in a long time, the feeling I had for my emo ex girlfriend.
I never felt this way for an asian girl. I had boners for them sure, but I now know that I could never love a girl I am with purely over sexual attraction. I will not be able to see them as human beings.
So all you asiaphiles see that you must find a way to change yourselves. It is possible to control what you are attracted to. You just HAVE to try. And when you have accomplished curing yourself of asiaphilia, a world of happiness awaits you.
Asian women are great in bed and usually pay for everything. I dated a Korean woman for two years and she’d give me head whenever I’d ask. She was also down for sex in the wildest places. No, I’m not going to lie I have a fetisr Asian women and for the most part I see them as sex toys. Filipino, Korean, and Japanese women are the types of Asians I usually go for.
As an Asian woman raised in North America, I’ve realized some very negative similarities between my own personal experience and those of my other Asian friends. For some reason, I find that Asian women are sexualized in an alienating manner by this culture; regardless of what we wear, what job we have, whether or not we are citizens, even sometimes what our actual intentions are for talking to a white guy, we are objectified to be the “prostitute,” the “nymphomaniac,” “the other woman,” etc. After awhile, you definitely become wary of dating men outside of your ethnicity. If the culture around you identifies you in this way, what initial impression would you have of a white guy trying to get your attention at the bar?
I am an Australian guy who lives in China. I like Asian women, prefer Chinese and I am not attracted to my own race. I feel there is way too much analysis of this issue. Not all Western men have a “fetish” for Asian women. I like Chinese women, but have met plenty of really good looking ones I didn’t like. Either they were greedy, selfish, uneducated, or had some ulterior motive.
Basically, even though I am a former photographic fashion model, I could not attract any white women after my divorce
(ex-wife from Thailand ) It has been a problem for me all my life. Even though I like Asian women, I have conducted “experiments” to try and attract Western women.
I put my profile on many internet dating sites. There was hardly ever any response from white women. And I also found this in real life. Being good looking, secure, having your own house, having a car, and coming from a good family, none of that was ever good enough for a white Australian girl. I was not looking for a relationship from this excercise, but I was curious about the response.
Now, I am having better days. Recently I have met three great, well educated, very attractive and independant Chinese women in their late thirties…… They are all seriously looking for a Western man to be their life partner. Problem is that now I feel really confused. Maybe I am just a bit fussy and my own standards are too high. Probably why I have been single since moving to Nanning from Wuhan eighteen months ago. Might be time to make a commitment to someone. BTW, any advice her would be appreciated!
I am Asian and have been married for a Caucasian man for over a decade. Although we have a great marriage, I do wish that I had married someone my own race simply because then we would share the same food preference and perhaps a deeper relationship…it’s hard to explain but there’s always some invisible barrier when two people are of different race/background.
Well…its a bar for fucks sake. People go there to hook up, and most men do it to hook up only for a night.
I find it to be bullshit when Asian woman an experiences a one night stand, and then plays the race card on it. All women suffer from one night stands.
I’m asian and I’m currently dating a white man. There’s no language barrier. He’s even learned to speak cantonese and learn about Buddhism. Does that make him asian? Nope! It shows he wants to learn about my culture. I prefer white guys cause they are taller, stronger and that’s what I’m attracted to. I’m his first asian girl. We both love eachother. And the sex is amazing. For the dude who said this type of relationship isn’t ever real love…hasn’t experienced love in his life ever! It doesn’t matter what race a person is. Love comes from deep inside. The author of the original article is a turd. You love who you love if you need to explain it in essay form it’s not love.
Thanks so much for this article! Sweet to read! Its real annoying dealing with all these dumb ignorant stereotypes as an asian girl with a white bf. I especially hate the one about the white guy being one that cant get white girls or ‘settling. It is just so ignorant and unfair and sad and stupid and Id say supported mostly by jealous ugly white chicks who got dumped for an asian or some similar experience. It frustrates me to see couples that support these stereotypes too- because they are out there- reinforcing them! When you see a cute little submissive-looking asian girl hanging off the arm of a very nerdy, loser-looking, socially unept looking white guy- it annoys me. It does happen and exist I guess he probably couldnt get a typical white girl- but then he probably couldnt get a typical asian girl either! So that stereotype still- WRONG.
Though I have to say it is extremely fun to bash these stereotypes- see the look on peoples faces as I walk around with my gorgeous and very socially skilled and lovingly devoted and caring and definitely not settling(!!!!) BF. The look on peoples faces when i dont act a little submissive cute doll-like sex object. Its probably kinda bad for my personality- I feel it pushes me to become really rude, b*tchy, pushy etc. But then again it also pushes me to be more assertive and confident and stand up to this sh*t! And hey- at least stereotypes are getting bashed 🙂
There are some genuine love and relationships in this pairing but from the feedback I get from most of my white guy friends, they look at asian women as easy to control, easy in bed, and a slew of negative stereotypes.
Definitely a thought provoking article. If you are also a white guy looking for tips on dating asian women, check out this site: http://www.datekoreanwomen.net. Some good tips I found on this site.
another stupid brainwashed to think that mixing is better, when it’s the other way around, they can’t find marrow donors, have psychological problems and diseases of both races
what is feminine in them? flat chest? no butt? childlike body? short legs? flat faces?
I agree with you and mixed race people can’t find donors, have psychological problems (hate one of their part) and can get all diseases of every race
the “standard of beauty” was recognized since history and literature so stop makin the excuse of “media brainwashing”
I’m a white guy, yup I said it. I can’t change and the color certainly won’t rub off. The point being I am different from the two asian women I have had long term relationships with in the past. At one time I said it would never happen. The cultures are too different. We were raised in different hemispheres. After the novelty wears off one finds that people are the same and desire much in life that is common to all people. Now I am single once again and I see asian women and their is much to desire. They are usually thinner than most white women. They do not seem to have the need to tattoo their bodies. They have beautiful black hair that looks like silk in the sun light. They are women and understand this. I don’t have to compete with them. All of a sudden reality sets in……..they are different than me. Some things about white men you just can’t change. We are independent. We are sometimes proud men who don’t cope well with not being the head of the household. We like to hold our women at night and speak of our feelings and desires. We feel good about taking care of our women and providing for them but will not stand for being taken for granted or advantage of. To them we are a novelty. To them we are the ones who will provide babies to take of them in their old age (Asia doesn’t have Social Security) and the provider for the household. In addition we are expected to help support their families overseas. Most of this does not bode well with the modern American male. We work hard. We earn our money and do not give it away on a whim. We cherish the things we have earned in our lives and hope to pass it along to the next generation in our families. Materialistic yes. Practical yes. It is the way of our society we are not in Asia. My word of advice is this guys, stick with the home grown women. You will sacrifice the exotic novelty but in the end by staying within your race you will find a much more compatable partner for the long term.
I’m a Asian I’m married to a caucasian western man but even we still married where ever we go together bar or mall still some white guy doesn’t hesitate to ask if I’m a single even my husband with me.I’m not that pretty but I heard a lot that I have a good sex appeal.
Well, the point is, you guys are all scum bags when it comes to this matter. I will be picking on both sides in this post so dont act like im targeting just one side out of racism or douchiness or something.
First off, for the people that hate “asiaphiles”, you guys seem to think that asiaphiles are asiaphiles intentionally, and you could not be further from the truth. I had liked Asian women for a very long time until I finally broke free of the hold “yellow fever” had on me. When I liked asian girls, it was just because I liked them. I was not trying to put the entire asian race beneath me or piss off asian men or anything. Then I found out most asian women didnt like it, so I sought help in figuring out how to change what you are attracted to, but I swear to god if an anti-asiaphile ever saw a sick man on the street, and he had the cure for the illness in one hand, and a metal baseball bat in the other, he would beat the shit out of the sick man. They denied to help me, and what angers me about this is that even the most horrible people, such as rapists and serial killers, (or if you want to go and say “asiaphiles are worse and should be skinned alive lololololololol” then the second most horrible people) get rehabilitation for their vices. See, justice is an equal balance of punishment and rehabilitation, but you guys just want to punish asiaphiles for being what they have become. What do I mean?
I lost the link, but I swear that one time, while searching the google search results for the word “asiaphile”, I saw a couple guys on a message board bragging about doing one of the most scum fuck things you can legally do to a person. Apparently, one person made a fake ad on a dating site, used it to get the photos and personal info of over 300 men, and slandered them with it. Now what good does that do? The purpose of the paragraph above is that non-asian men become asiaphiles unintentionally.
Another thing is the asians that dont like asiaphilia think they know and understand how an asiaphiles mind works just because they are the ones offended by it. They seem to think they know what causes it, and what the asiaphile thinks consciously and subconsciously. When an asiaphile says these myths are not true, the other person always says “fail” or, “not true” or “bullshit”, thinking they know how an asiaphile thinks better than the asiaphile himself. You are just a pure idiot if you think this, and everyone who does think this should post “Major Idiot Reporting for Duty” below.
Now, for the asiaphiles, why not try and cure yourselves? No, not of the “preference” you have for asian women, but of the racist mentality that makes you think you are above an entire race of people? See, you guys go onto asian websites, not to post and argue for the innocence of asiaphile like I am here, but to put down the asian race, which is extremely ironic. You say you love asians, then talk like we are superior to them, on their own forums. this is kind of like going into a random restaurant and ordering something you really hate that you know will make you gag and throw up, just to annoy all the other customers. Sounds pretty stupid, right?
On top of that, I must say a dating pool restricted to asian women only is severely limiting yourself. You must look for the beauty in all races of women. The features of an asian woman, but also the light colored hair and eyes of a white woman, along with their angelic white skin. The plump lips and dark skin of a black woman, and the sexy appearance and accent of a latina. What you must do, most of all, is look for the individual beauty in all women. Look for love over lust, THIS is what will make you happy, not one night stands you have had with random asian women (whether tru or false claims.)
I am not trying to start a flame war, or troll anyone, so please dont delete this thread. I am only trying to enlighten the people who read this.
I saw bad marriage between an Asian woman and white man,and also a very happy marriage between an Asian woman and a white man.they are just like any other marriages.I am an Asian and have married for 8 years with an white man,we love each other very much,we thanks god for bringing us together.and most of all we respect each other.
as an asian male, i can tell you that its not the white man we are mad at, its the asian woman.
for most asian women, going out with a white male is an issue of status, they feel like they “win” at life now that they have a white partner since they are considered much more “superior”.
this is how a typical asian woman sellout would handle this situation:
lets say she is confronted by two men.
-Guy A is an attractive handsome ASIAN male, he has a good job, intelligent, ambitious, secure for life, and is a very kindhearted respectful person. she is attracted to him
-Guy B is a average looking WHITE male, dresses not so well, unemployed, somewhat loud and disrespectful, doesnt have a lot of money, only wants to party get drunk and watch sports, she is attracted to him
you’d think they would pick Guy A right… WRONG…. as an asian male i can tell you right now that probably 50% of asian women would pick Guy B. they dont care about anything else, asian guy has money, good looks, knows where he is going in life, and great personality. they would still pick Guy B simply because he is white and if she goes out with a white guy she will be much better than her other asian women counterparts.
another funny thing is that if you ask those asian women why they only date the white guys… theyll ALMOST ALWAYS start off with something like this first “i dont only date white guys, i date all types of guys” when in the back of their heads they know that theyll only go for white guys. you know who you are
now im not saying its wrong for asian girls to go out with white guys, because its not. what is wrong is when they shun an asian guy simply because he is asian, or when they scrape the bottom of the barrel and settle just to find any white guy even though he has so many negative traits, or when they only EXLUSIVELY date white guys. its stupid because there are so much gorgeous beautiful asian women that sell themselves out to white men just to feel that much more superior to their own race.
watch oprah’s episode of this, then youll see.
I am a white male. I like all women but maybe I have some extra preference for asain girls. I just think they are physically very female looking. I left my friends and family and moved to Seoul for a girl I met in my home country to be with her. Here I see a lot of couples like ours. And I feel the mens hatred everywhere. They spit on the ground, stare, snare and push me. I don’t care. And I understand them. I really wish I could see more Asian men with white women. Every time I see a couple like that it makes me happy. If it was more often going both ways, we could all be happy.
And I hate the stereotyps put on asian men in the west. More american guys should come to Seoul and see all the tall men here. Most american men here look tiny in the street (no joke). But they like to talk about how tall they are still. Ridecelous. Korean men are strong and tall in general. American GI’s here are often muscelar but tiny. When they get here they get so confused to see they are not tall gods like they though that they go into denial.
I too have experienced shame around being attracted to asian women. I’ve noticed myself avoiding the topic of the ethnicity of who I’m dating to friends who know my dating history (and may judge me). But I think you’re right, as long as I’m not exploiting some stereotype or bringing a colonialist mentality to the relationship, there is nothing wrong with preferring asian features in a sexual partner. I usually prefer stronger, edgier women, and I haven’t had trouble finding these features in asian women either. Too much submissiveness can be boring. Also, I have no trouble attracting white women and women from other backgrounds, so I’m not settling…not even close.
Thanks for the article. It’s good to see this perspective in the virtual discourse.
I’m an asian male and I’m cool about white men with asian women, but why isn’t the reverse allowed??
I am a White male who gives a damn and am totally against this White male-Asian female relationship crap and totally against any other form of race mixing with our people. Why should i care? Because this is my people. My race that i am a member of, and a White man and White woman created me, not an Asian female and White male, and i would like to keep our race on this planet. If it werent for White men and White women having babies, this little uglt chink wouldnt have any white man to “fall in love with”. So therefore these Asians need to show some respect for my people, and i will do the same for theirs. And this guy who wrote this shouldnt be calling himself a White man.
Let’s replace Asian with Blonde and see how superficial you sound…. Also sounds like you are a serial dater. Three quarters of the WOMEN (not girls) you have dated are Asian… just how many WOMEN have you dated? Unless you’re in California or a large city, circumstantially running into an Asian women is not that easy to do…… Dig deeper and do not be so selfish and superficial.
One of my earliest memories of feeling attraction to a GUY was in high school. I was on the bus. A BLONDE GUY from the high school across the street got on. He wasn’t the first BLONDE GUY I had seen, but it felt like the whole rest of the world disappeared, like I witnessed beauty for the first time. I had never been so attracted to someone before. I don’t think I ever saw him again. I remember having a vague sense him being BLONDE had something to do with my attraction, but I dismissed that sense at the time, feeling it was SUPERFICIAL.
For many years, I noticed that preference for BLONDES, but kept dismissing it. I fell in love with a BURNETTE, who was for a few years everything to me. He is still a great friend. Later, in college, people who noticed my preference joked about it, generally making me feel embarrassed and ashamed. Eventually I came to accept it. I got over the feeling of SUPERFICIALITY when I realized the preference WAS a judgment. It was just whom I was attracted to. My preference feels no more SUPERFICIAL than being interested in men feels COMMON-PLACE.
Seek and you shall find……. Ask a girl out!
I can see where this guy is coming from as i normally date Asian girls too, for a few reasons, they are normally skinny, they don’t think of themselves all the time and some are very attractive, but unlike him i prefer Chinese girls, i have dated a Korean girl before and also a Vietnamese girl, they were nice but i find i prefer the looks and manners of a Traditional Chinese girl.
i suppose that’s why a lot of asian women call men creepy; because you only see them as an object. the reasons, you listed, above prove their point. it is your preference, we understand, but it is a very shallow/superficial one. how sad.
and all races of women don’t always think just of themselves. that is “human” and has nothing to do with race.
I am a Blasian; half African American and half Asian American. It’s just a name I call myself to represent the 2 races that I am.
I notice the very same thing with not just Asian American women and men, but also with African American women and men. I never quite understood why but I have suspected that it has a lot to do with the culture/history I live in (American-USA).
Caucasian Americans people (the race as a whole actually) are looked at in a higher, positive way than people of other races. Most non-Caucasian races know this from what we have grown up seeing or what our ancestors have told us from generation to generation. They control the media so they can say or put out anything, about themselves, that make them as better and, in return, do the very opposite to those who are non-Caucasian.
Everything you see pertaining to them has always been like they are better or the best in every way; looks-wise, and intelligence-wise. The Caucasian race, of American history, has always had that high status as being the best race and people of other races see it and start believing it. I must say, thank goodness most non-Caucasians don’t think like this. At least I truly believe that.
In TV/entertainment, all you see are mostly beautiful Caucasian females representing beauty. My grandmother told me it was like that when she was a child so nothing’s changed. She told me about the “Clark Doll Experiment” from 1939.(you can search it if you want) My point is that many, many non-Caucasian people, in this culture for centuries, began to actually believe Caucasian people were better JUST BECAUSE they were Caucasian.
Many think they will actually be amongst better if they date or marry anyone Caucasian; even if they are like the Caucasian guy you described above. They, I believe, have been brainwashed by the different medias of history. It becomes a preference for them because that is all they have ever seen most of their live. It’s all they choose to except and they don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a sign of low self worth. You care for and love someone for their personality NOT because of their race alone.
To me, its demeaning.It is very sad and insulting to see a person, of the same race as you, pass you by to be with someone else JUST BECAUSE they are of the Caucasian race. Even when, status-wise, you are far more successful.
People in relationships clash because its usually a personality issue between them. At least I believe this. Race should always be an irrelevant issue unless you CHOOSE to make it relevant.
I liked the way you gave examples of the different women of different races but I when you described the Caucasian one as:
“but also the light colored hair and eyes of a white woman, along with their angelic white skin”
that “angelic white skin” part just made me and my friends laugh. Pa-lease. There is NOTHING angelic about the skin complexion of Caucasians; male and female.
Stop decribing the races of women with your typical stereotyping.
Go back to Stormfront you toothless inbred fuck!
Perhaps I see white womens white skin as angelic because im white…ever consider that?
How does appreciation of certain physical traits prove a man only sees you as an object?
It makes perfect sense that some men will approach based on looks, and continue a relationship based on who that woman is.
I totally agree, I am a white male, married to and Asian, I love and respect her very much and so dose she in return, but being closer to the Asian community and on a more personal family level with her brothers sisters cousins etc, your comments have some truth, I dont think it is that bad! but I think Asian women get a way different feeling if they date a white guy, more so if they were raised traditionally and maybe haven’t been in the western word all their lives or at least their parents were not born her, the Asian women that are second and third generation, I dont believe even pay much attention to race or color! but yes many Asian women still look at it as status and excitement with a white guy, “they say” they are treated different and like the more aggressive confidence take charge of white guys, I think the persona comes from too much Hollywood my self and possibly lack of confidence in some Asian women? I got to tell you, my wife was married to an Asian guy before, soon as she was divorced she went on a white guy dating frenzy, I think to satisfy all her inner questions and curiosities? of course the dating was for all the wrong reasons and she went through a pile of bad guys that used her, I say you get what you pay for, I resent people that have to experiment and sell themselves short and “easy” just to be prestigious and selfish!
I totally agree, I am a white male, married to and Asian, I love and respect her very much and so dose she in return, but being closer to the Asian community and on a more personal family level with her brothers sisters cousins etc, your comments have some truth, I dont think it is that bad! but I think Asian women get a way different feeling if they date a white guy, more so if they were raised traditionally and maybe haven’t been in the western word all their lives or at least their parents were not born her, the Asian women that are second and third generation, I dont believe even pay much attention to race or color! but yes many Asian women still look at it as status and excitement with a white guy, “they say” they are treated different and like the more aggressive confidence take charge of white guys, I think the persona comes from too much Hollywood my self and possibly lack of confidence in some Asian women? I got to tell you, my wife was married to an Asian guy before, soon as she was divorced she went on a white guy dating frenzy, I think to satisfy all her inner questions and curiosities? of course the dating was for all the wrong reasons and she went through a pile of bad guys that used her, I say you get what you pay for, I resent people that have to experiment and sell themselves short and “easy” just to be prestigious and selfish!
What is your problem you racist hillbilly,we live in 2011, with a colored person as president get over it. I think I heard your kids calling,and your sister isn’t that your wife too you southern. You people have sex with your sisters and cousins?
Hey, I agree with you 100% I personally, think that white women should date asian,women.(me) I am extremely attracted to asian women I think there gorgeous.
i am a chinese girl living in Canada, i dont care what race is my boyfriend, but…..i hopelessly fell in love with a white guy who is my friend………but i dont know what should i do……i’m too shy to tell him. JEEZ what should i do!!!!! i really like him!!!! there is this friend of mine told me it just doesnt look right with a tall and huge white guy…..sigh* 🙁
Hi I know why Chinese women are attractive for men , because they do anyyyyyyyyyyyythingggggggggggg men wants in BED thats it,and is so sad this people are all around the world, I am not racist but is very annoying to see them with different age old or young men even my chinese girl friend said they are gold digger they come to Canada to find the rich man.
If you truly like this guy…hang out with him more. Make sure when you go to hang out with him you wear makeup and dress nice. Also be flirtatious. After a while of doing this, start making it obvious that you are into him. If he does not like you or never asks you out, then he is either not worth it or (in the event he does not ask you out) he is a coward and does not deserve you.
If you play your cards right and have a certain confidence and a certain swagger…you can get any girl of any race.
Blondes are pretty hot but be sure to hit on the red heads also, those are the best kind and have been proven statistically to be more likely to fulfill their boyfriends sexual fantasies.
I know the guy who wrote this!! He is indeed creepy!!! He wants an Asian slave!!
…You are probably only assuming that, just like you will assume I am an asiaphile for standing up for him. I would bet all of my worldly possessions that he never said “I want an Asian slave” seriously.
You must be a sad and lonely man i am white to but you don’t see me going crazy oh wait that’s why i have respect for people based on there actions not appearance now tell me why can’t he date someone who is Asian just because YOU don’t like it doesn’t make it bad and and using racial words is pretty low i don’t see anyone calling you one so watch your language.
Thank you for the tips, I love Asian women..they are very beautiful!
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You sound bitter. I’m an Asian female, but if I ever came across someone as bitter and venomous as you are, I would never go out with you, no matter how hot/well-financed you are.
As an Asian American woman, it’s nice to read something like this. I can understand the physical attraction to Asian woman, but like any race, there are some women who are more attractive than others.
The whole white guy wants Asian girlfriend thing was never super apparent until I left high school and therefore men become more desperate to find a girlfriend out in the real world because they are not parading around 24/7.
Yes- a lot of these white guys do seem creepy. There are some great ones, but I feel like a lot of them are too forward, or seem like they are expecting something, like they’ve been watching too much Asian porn or whatever. But then again, most girls find it creepy when guys who they are not attracted to hit on them.
I feel like there is a tiny fetish in the US, so it gives Asian white male dating a negative rep, but most of the time it’s not there. Also depends where you live- it’s super common in San Francisco versus Mid West where then it seems like you are purposely seeking out an Asian woman.
Age also has a lot to do with it. Young Asian women with older white men. Asian women tend to look younger- but still you can’t hide those age gaps. It seems a lot more acceptable for men under 30 to date Asians as well. Strange….
I guess in the end it’s how you go about your flirtation.
What confuses me is how Asians can ever expect there to be balance in terms of dating.
See, when an Asian guy dates a white girl, everyone supports it, but when a white guy dates an asian girl, nobody supports it and every single blasted asian tries to ruin it. Also, when an Asian guy dates only white girls, the white girl he is dating is okay with his attraction to white girls. When a white dude only dates Asian girls, and his asian girlfriend finds out, he is dumped, and that girl never dates another white guy.
On top of that every Asian guy wants a white girl but Asian women hate white men with statements like “You animal fucking pedophile!!!”.
And in fact many white women are liberal and date asian men who hate white men.
So you all see that the odds are heavily against white men when versus asian men in the dating world. I am, therefor, heavily against it to at the very least slow it down so that maybe there actually can be balance.
What confuses me is how Asians can ever expect there to be balance in terms of dating.
See, when an Asian guy dates a white girl, everyone supports it, but when a white guy dates an asian girl, nobody supports it and every single blasted asian tries to ruin it. Also, when an Asian guy dates only white girls, the white girl he is dating is okay with his attraction to white girls. When a white dude only dates Asian girls, and his asian girlfriend finds out, he is dumped, and that girl never dates another white guy.
On top of that every Asian guy wants a white girl but Asian women hate white men with statements like “You animal fucking pedophile!!!”.
And in fact many white women are liberal and date asian men who hate white men.
So you all see that the odds are heavily against white men when versus asian men in the dating world. I am, therefor, heavily against it to at the very least slow it down so that maybe there actually can be balance.
I love Asian women they are so elegant and the skin is so silky
I can relate to the poster Jay as I have a friend that has a serious “yellow fever”, and has had it for years, he invites me to all kinds of dues within the Asian community in the European city we live. Unwittingly I have been dragged along. I also have spent time in China (working there for several months), but I never dated any Asian women there. Here’s how I see it: Asian woman are caring, nice, generally very intelligent and would probably be excellent relationship material. I would also say there are “cute”, but personally I don’t find them sexually attractive, some general facial features I don’t like (won’t go into details!) Since I met up with Asian girls, as friends, some Asian girls in the past have even accused me of being gay, for not hitting om them. I usually laugh, but I didn’t dare to say out loud that Asians are not my type. I guess some of the reason is that I like to meet Asian girls so that I can practice my very basic Mandarin skills and I find it interesting hanging out with “other people”. I know some of the Chinese girls just like me for being White (I usually just try to be funny, but never make any “moves”). I don’t see any of them, with a very few expectations, dating any Asian guys, which again I find strange. I never get a proper answer, but some of it might be due to the fact that fewer Asian men (China, Korea, Japan) actually come to Europe as students or for work. Recently I got into a serious relationship. My white girlfriend is a big fan of Chinese cookery and likes the fact that I keep learning Chinese and being with my Asian friends. But I’ve noticed a change in their behaviour the last months, they don’t treat me as “the wonderful white guy” anymore, it seems like I have “betrayed” them in a way. What I’m saying is that not all white guys are interested in having a sexual relationship with an Asian female, I think there are guys like me who just want to experience their culture, meet new people and learn a new language.
I can relate to the poster Jay as I have a friend that has a serious “yellow fever”, and has had it for years, he invites me to all kinds of dues within the Asian community in the European city we live. Unwittingly I have been dragged along. I also have spent time in China (working there for several months), but I never dated any Asian women there. Here’s how I see it: Asian woman are caring, nice, generally very intelligent and would probably be excellent relationship material. I would also say there are “cute”, but personally I don’t find them sexually attractive, some general facial features I don’t like (won’t go into details!) Since I met up with Asian girls, as friends, some Asian girls in the past have even accused me of being gay, for not hitting om them. I usually laugh, but I didn’t dare to say out loud that Asians are not my type. I guess some of the reason is that I like to meet Asian girls so that I can practice my very basic Mandarin skills and I find it interesting hanging out with “other people”. I know some of the Chinese girls just like me for being White (I usually just try to be funny, but never make any “moves”). I don’t see any of them, with a very few expectations, dating any Asian guys, which again I find strange. I never get a proper answer, but some of it might be due to the fact that fewer Asian men (China, Korea, Japan) actually come to Europe as students or for work. Recently I got into a serious relationship. My white girlfriend is a big fan of Chinese cookery and likes the fact that I keep learning Chinese and being with my Asian friends. But I’ve noticed a change in their behaviour the last months, they don’t treat me as “the wonderful white guy” anymore, it seems like I have “betrayed” them in a way. What I’m saying is that not all white guys are interested in having a sexual relationship with an Asian female, I think there are guys like me who just want to experience their culture, meet new people and learn a new language.
I can relate to the poster Jay as I have a friend that has a serious “yellow fever”, and has had it for years, he invites me to all kinds of dues within the Asian community in the European city we live. Unwittingly I have been dragged along. I also have spent time in China (working there for several months), but I never dated any Asian women there. Here’s how I see it: Asian woman are caring, nice, generally very intelligent and would probably be excellent relationship material. I would also say there are “cute”, but personally I don’t find them sexually attractive, some general facial features I don’t like (won’t go into details!) Since I met up with Asian girls, as friends, some Asian girls in the past have even accused me of being gay, for not hitting om them. I usually laugh, but I didn’t dare to say out loud that Asians are not my type. I guess some of the reason is that I like to meet Asian girls so that I can practice my very basic Mandarin skills and I find it interesting hanging out with “other people”. I know some of the Chinese girls just like me for being White (I usually just try to be funny, but never make any “moves”). I don’t see any of them, with a very few expectations, dating any Asian guys, which again I find strange. I never get a proper answer, but some of it might be due to the fact that fewer Asian men (China, Korea, Japan) actually come to Europe as students or for work. Recently I got into a serious relationship. My white girlfriend is a big fan of Chinese cookery and likes the fact that I keep learning Chinese and being with my Asian friends. But I’ve noticed a change in their behaviour the last months, they don’t treat me as “the wonderful white guy” anymore, it seems like I have “betrayed” them in a way. What I’m saying is that not all white guys are interested in having a sexual relationship with an Asian female, I think there are guys like me who just want to experience their culture, meet new people and learn a new language.
it proves it when how the woman looks is all that matters to a man; like a trophy. a great many men want a woman mainly based on how she looks. they don’t care about getting to know her as a person. as long as she has the right look that is more than enough for them.
you cannot tell me there are no men who do not do this.
ohhhh yes, i have considered that. yes indeed. and i knew you were a white guy too. that was no surprise. you white people are no more literally white than black people are literally black. if you were your skin would be the color of snow. even the most lightest white person on the earth doesn’t have skin the color of snow. angelic. lol. too funny.
pathetic loser
majority of the human population consist of mostly average-looking people; both males and females. it is only a small percentage of actually very attractive people on the earth. and every race has its beautiful people and average-looking people. no one race has more or less.
there are thin and fat people in every race and gender. that includes asians although i would have to say, living in japan for almost 2 years, the japanese may be the most thinnest race on the earth because i rarely saw a heavy-set or chubby person at any time while in japan. maybe i saw 1 like every 6 months.
as a half japanese/half black american, i find everything you stated as pure stereotypes about just white men and asian women. where is your link as proof of this. bet i can match it by proving what you said applies to every interracial couple out there. its so stereotyped that its extremely pathetic and laughable.everything you said can apply to ALL races but you make it seem as if it only happens with asian women and white men. pa-lease, get real.
and its not just with asian females and white guys. this happens with every race.
but anyway, i am a blasian. it is a name i call myself for being half black american and half japanese and for me i get hit on by more white guys than any other race. they compliment my appearance a lot to the point that i start to feel uncomfortable about it. sure, a girl loves being complimented once and a while on how she looks but not too much. at least that is the case with me anyway. and, for some strange reason, they love touching my hair. they tell me how soft, thick, long, and jet black it is.
it can be bothersome for me because i am NOT into white guys at all. i don’t know but my experience with them have always given me the impression that they are better than every other race of men; like i would be better off with them than any other.
they do absolutely nothing for me relationship-wise. friendship-wise, i don’t mind though but i even find those i consider a friend attempting to hit on me. for me asian and puerto rican men are the hottest. i don’t know, i just seem to be most attracted to them. their eyes and the way they look at me and treat me. especially asian men.
i lived in japan for almost 2 years and plan on moving back there for a few more years and hope to find that special guy there someday.
are you really serious? you must be out of your mind to be thinking like that.
Quoting the author: “The word “creepy” gets me. I’ve never heard it about myself, but I hear it about white guys interested in Asian women.”
I’ll be the first to say it: You’re creepy. I’m white and am married to an Asian woman, but do not in any way, shape, or form have an Asian fetish. I have been attracted to all types of women: white, black, hispanic, Asian, etc, with maybe a slight preference for white women. Thanks to guys like you, a lot of people assume I’m an Asian-fetishist weirdo. I resent that accusation and hate that normal guys like me get lumped in with tools like you.
Also, why do people assume that it’s the guy that has the weird fetish? What about all the Asian women who exclusively date white men? I know at least as many of those as I do white guys with Asian fetishes. Seems like that kind of “white fetish” should be considered just as weird/creepy. When I was single, I had a lot of these types pursue me (I live in a city that’s 30% Asian). In my experience, they’re typically more aggressive than white women. They circle like sharks then move in for the kill.
People should consider it creepy when Asian guy go after white women.
I mean, you all consider someone creepy if they like asian women…I am just saying, that is pretty hypocritical.
It is racist to throw accusations and rude assumptions of the white man but not at the asian man…
Or we could just not do accusations at all.
I find it deeply disturbing that someone would allow race to influence their dating decisions.
I think even having a deliberate “preference” for a specific race (or any other superficial factor) is sad, because it makes you less open-minded. For this reason, I disliked the above article.
I, for one, could care less about what race my future partner (if I ever have one) will belong to.
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Okay, fine. PALE skin, and light colored hair. I find that look angelic.
Like if a woman is white and blonde or redhead she looks angelic.
If a white woman has black hair she is like a fallen angel
There are certainly men who do this, but that is not the point.
It makes perfect sense that if a guy sees a girl who is very attractive to him, he will approach her. Yes, he is approaching someone based on appearance, but I do not see how approaching her based on this is wrong.
Now, if the girl acts bitchy, or they have nothing in common, or she has other personality flaws, and he stays with her? Of course in that case he is being shallow.
Anyways you cannot say that you dont have a physical preference also.
Okay? Interesting… I’m also an Asian American women and this is how I see it; I think we as homo-sapians are always a judging race and gender (Through out ourly history and even today society). We need to looked at the bigger picture and that is WE ARE ALL HUMAN BEINGS, simple and easy as that! We as homo-sapiens are so blinded and ignorant that we search for little things to judge so quick without considering that others are HUMAN BEINGS. What i’m trying to explain here is LOVE is powerful and it should never really have been about race or gender, but about respect, kindness and compassion. That is what we as human beings lack of today’s world, we failed to SEE through anything or even each other…I sometimes wonder why we are such a difficult living beings and it’s because we are really greedy, ignorant, and corrupted…
Here’s a great speech to open you thoughts a bit more! LISTEN TO IT CLOSLY :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WibmcsEGLKo
I’m Blasian and female, too. White men simply will not leave me alone. It’s an epidemic. The things they say are offensive and their behavior is downright creepy. Also they seem to think they’re God’s Gift To All Women and we should roll right over on our backs and give ourselves to them, simply because, “Hey. I’m a white guy.”
Having both been there and done that, and being not impressed, I advise my Asian sisters to resist the temptation, no matter how strong it seems, and stay with Asian men. Asian men have their own list of problems, sure — I attract Chinese and Korean men like crazy, and you haven’t lived, I guess, until a drunk Chinese guy grabs your butt one day, and a young Korean student dude who isn’t even drunk asks if he can hug you, and then grabs your butt, the very next day — they can be competitive as hell and very focused, and they can be so old-fashioned and misogynist you want to serve out a solid slap at times, but at the end of the day, this is someone you plan to grow old with, and that stuff will wear away as the the birthday candles pile up and the testosterone fades.
Do you want a “How skinny is she this week?”-obsessed white dude whose gut will be hanging out and whose hair is gone, yet still considers himself the cat’s meow, who holds up a wristwatch watching your face calculating for any wrinkles or lines to appear, and wants you to step on a bathroom scale each morning like a Jersey cow because, as a white guy poster upstairs said, he “won’t have to be afraid of being crushed while having sex”?
(Pigeon-chested waif white boy Asiaphile loses 10+ points for not knowing any other sex positions except missionary; this wants to go to bed with us? I lol.)
Do you want to choose a guy who no matter how educated he seems at first eventually will still let racist things slip from his mouth in front of you, like “but I thought you would be submissive”, “your skin… is so… silky” (often murmured after a bout of particularly uninspiring sex when his strange-smelling sweat and peculiarly long weird body hair is all over you and your bed sheets) and “why don’t you give me head, I thought all Asian girls were…”
Oh, tell me, what? Sluts?
Kind of like the black women you consider “sex animals”, make out with in secret but never take home to mother? Or the Latinas to whom you do the same thing? You tangled hot mess in a box of persistent, pathological racial neuroses, you?
Asian ladies, do you want that? Or would you prefer a companionable, sweet, educated man of your own race AND CULTURE, who understands the unique obstacles you face, and will look upon your children with pride instead of studying their little newborn faces to do a percentage comparison of white versus Asian and trying to remember how to spell the word “Eurasian” and whether Eurasians are common in the former Soviet Union as he read in Time magazine one day, and will understand and support the dreams you will achieve as an Asian woman in a white world? And will back you 100% instead of whining, mewling femininely, bitching, and generally being part of the problem?
(Which is why white American women cannot stand them anymore?)
White men have too many race hangups for me. I dated them when I was a youngster but never will again. Bottom line, white men’s penises are too small for all the nonsense they bring. And they’re not incredible in bed. White women know this. They’ve abandoned them for black guys. That’s why you’ve got white guys crawling all over you suddenly. It’s not about proclaiming us beautiful — after decades of calling us dragon ladies and slant-eyed she devils in their movies. It’s all about getting back at white women, still looking like a man, and saving the ego, and theirs is more pronounced than most.
(Secret: overheard in phone conversation between two young white college guys: one reason white men like dating us is so they can show us off to the white girls who dumped them, and try to hurt the white chick out loud about how much skinnier their new Asian girlfriend is than they are. White men are so much into skinny. One gay friend of mine says Asiaphilia is the last stop on the white male heterosexual train, before just simply going into boys, which is where all that skinny worship is really coming from. Do you want to be surprised by your boyfriend’s boyfriend in your bed? Really — just pass. Read above in white guys’ posts how many times “skinny” is said. It’s like an epidemic. They REALLY ARE PREOCCUPIED with women’s weight and body size.)
Ignore these rascals and idiots. Find that Asian man with the profound nature, the supportive spirit and the big dick. Yep. They’re out there. I’ve seen them.
Avoid the hairy, unwashed Asiaphile, and his insistence he can speak Mandarin/Japanese/Tagalog/Korean than you because, gosh darn it, he lived in FILL IN BLANK OF ASIAN COUNTRY HERE for two whole years teaching English vs. your parents being born there, and he is Super White Male who took an entire semester of the language your parents sang you to sleep in when you were a toddler. And his embarrassing you in public. And his demeaning you in public. And his moist hairballs in the bathtub drain.
Let white women clean up after ’em. They put ’em here.
And that is the end of this half-Chinese woman’s rant.
Signed,
Me,
Dating a Persian guy and loving it
NYU honors student!
Wel, I’m a Chinese girl and I lovee Latino boys…
yknow there should be a term for that.
Your point would be valid if you hadn’t cited a speech by a guy portraying Hitler as something to emulate. I don’t think “Do as Hitler says” is a very convincing argument these days.
You said, with no shortage of spelling and grammatical errors, “I’m also an Asian American women [sic] and this is how I see it; I think we as homo-sapians [sic] are always a [sic] judging race and gender (Through out [sic] ourly [sic] history and even today [sic] society).”
However, regardless of your grand ideal of race-blindness, the author of this article is making it about race. But I think his point is more about liking a set of physical features than a given race. If you’re a guy who prefers petite women, dark hair, etc, you may find yourself attracted to a disproportionate number of Asian women. I don’t think this is any creepier than having a thing for blondes, tall women, big boobs (let’s face it, we all love those), etc.
Life lessons from Hitler aside, I support the idea of getting past race and seeing people as people – color-blindness in a way, a la Steven Colbert or Tom Cruise. With more interracial mixing, eventually the majority of humans will be mixed race. The world will likely be a better place for it. Gender is important as a partner selection criterion, however, because personally, I’m not dating a dude. No way.
Latinophile
I must say for me god put many different colors to choose from. If you see something you like go for it… Be it orange,purple,green,etc… Open your choices to many different flavors.. My personal is dark hair and eyes…love it!!!
It’s sad! You don’t know how to respect others! Everybody has his/her freedom to choose their partner and friends. I am white and I only date white girls. However, I think it is normal for anyone to choose what they like, and it is wonderful to make friends with different heritage and culture!
Stupid. If you’re talking about Mexicans, they AREN’T “Latinos”! Neither are ANY Central Americans or Caribbean’s either! Latin people are those who’s NATIVE language is based on Latin OR their country was colonized by Latin Language speakers. Mexican’s DON’T speak Spanish, just as anyone from Spain and they’ll tell you they don’t understand a damn thing a Mexican says. Mexicans are Indians and Indians speak a native language that is NOT western. Mexican’s at best (if they are at least a mix of Spanish and Indians are HISPANICS!
Still, if you’re Chinese and like Beaners, you’re Stupid!
Ps – learn how to spell, you write like an ignorant beaner.
🙂
A person does not have to be rude to make a point
I understand how white men can like Asian women. Disclaimer, I’m a Filipino male. It’s not this crazy fetish thing that people are claiming about Asian women. No, they’re just so damn beautiful. Smart, driven, always look good. They have some of the most human, most beautiful personalities. The purest and most reasonable reason why white men prefer Asian women is because no one really has the balls to approach them. White guys I see are so fearless, so steadfast, and they beat Asian guys to it. And it hurts everyday when you see someone you’ve really liked, with another guy. If he was Asian, you’d feel a sense of new passion, wanting to win her back with a new fervor. But if he was White, it’s like you lost already.
Hello Jay,
I too am a white guy who has dated and had LTRs with mostly Asian women. I applaud you for writing this article. It’s time we honkeys (LOLz) stood up and defended ourselves. Every time I hear a guy demeaned by the term “Yellow Fever”, I feel like my feelings are hurt indirectly as well, just because I am white and like Asian women.
You described it exactly. I have liked and known Asian women (and girls) since grammer school. I live and grew up in the Silicon Valley area of Cali where resides the largest per capita Asian (American) population in the U.S. I see Asian women like all other women, except that they are Asian by blood, and I happen to have a preference for them. Why? I can name many reasons such as: I love Asian eyes. To me they are sexy. They look horny, before they ever are, and when they are finally, then look out (I know I’ll hear it on this one :). I love dark and lovely (hair, eyes, skin etc.) I like (dare I say it 😉 tight petite young women; and Asian women are smaller than women of many other races, so they fit the bill.
I like the Admin of this site (LOL).
Asian women are rarely fat or out of shape; there is a much higher percentage (per capita) of the populous, (in other races) who are. So like most people, I like a woman in decent shape and who believes in physical and mental fitness. I am in good shape and I want someone also who respects their temple and the sanctity of their one shot at life on this earth.
Asian women have great skin. Asian women are alluring and seductive. Asians in general are decent and moral people. Asians work hard to improve their standing in life. Asians are generally successful and driven, and strive towards management or positions where they can make a difference and earn people’s respect.
The truth is, I am only human; and all humans that I know of (any race) are attracted to Asian women. It’s a universal attraction. I am an American and my heredity in this country goes back since before the revolutionary war, yet Europeans in the present and past have always had the same attraction and fascination with Asian cultures and history (and the people themselves).
They are interesting, and compelling, and some of the oldest civilizations on earth. If you think on the subjects of Buddhism, or Hinduism, the Kama Sutra, or the great temples of South East Asia, or the cuisine, inventions such as gun powder… on and on. Asian peoples have contributed much to the world, and much knowledge to the world. Asian women comprise the largest race of females on the planet.
My post is already way to long, but I think the comment before mine best sums up how I feel on the subject. I love all women of all races and would potentially marry any of them, but I will be no less happy (and maybe moreso) if I married an Asian woman. Peace.
I meant, the comment dated “Dec 2, 2011 @ 06:05 pm Anonymous”
sums it up best… Except for the fact that sometimes, you don’t really have a choice in the matter if you are more attracted to a specific race, or look, or are homosexual, or an intelectual, or are ignorant etc.
I couldn’t agree more with you’re article, however I assume many will remain unconvinced.
Almost half the women I’ve been in a relationships with were Asian. Similar to your case, this has nothing to do with assigning racial stereotypes or an automatic attraction to any Asian girl walking by… it’s simple a physical attraction that serves as a jumping point.
What very frustrating is how my friends/family perceive my preference. I’ve been dating a woman for almost a year now and I’m completely in love with her yet reluctant to introduce her to many friends/family as I know they would dismiss her as an object of my “fetish” rather than the woman I love.
Needless to say, I’m far more flexible than say, my brother, who has yet to bring home a single girl who isn’t blonde with big boobs. Somehow, what I like is a fetish and what he likes is “only natural.”
I have same issue as you have. I am asian. And I find myself to be attracted to western guys, Not all of them of course. I am attracted to them because I can talk freely with them, always having good conversation.
I am am very attracted to east asians but not exclusively. I also have a “fetish” for redheads. Does that mean I degrade redheads if I find them attractive and date them?ip
People should be less rigid and historically bound. What u like is what u like!
The world is just full of cold hearted assholes.
You know what another thing that is funny is?
If a white guy likes asian girls he is a “creep”
If a white girl likes Asian guys, she is a “hero”
If an Asian girl likes white guys she is a “slut”
If an Asian guy likes white girls he is “perfectly normal”.
A long time ago, I was wronged by a group of insane people. These are cold hearted monsters, disguised as human beings, out to bring pain upon all white men, but especially “asiaphiles.”
It is funny how some Asians think they know everything because of their social science classes in college.
Most asiaphiles like myself just like the physical attributes associated with being Asian. This does not mean an Asian girl I am with could be replaced. If a guy likes blonde women, would ANY blonde woman do it for him? Yes? You think any blonde woman would? Even the fat/old/simply unattractive ones?
I know for a fact that there are ugly Asian girls, fat ones, old ones. In fact MANY Asian women I have seen are ugly. Some lack hygiene, others have a fucked up nose.
I like Asian eyes, charcoal colored hair (preferably straight), flat nose. Many think that if I had an Asian girlfriend, that the girl would be replaceable because there is an entire race of people with the appearance mentioned. Well there are many other people with blonde hair, red hair, whatever.
You think I am shallow for having a physical preference?
You dont think that physical appearance plays any part in a relationship?
It is important for the approach. Still dont get what I am saying?
“Oh, so you would take a hot girl who was bitchy over a ugly girl who was very kind?”
I am not saying that at all.
IT MATTER IN THE CASE OF THE APPROACH!
If I am going somewhere, and I see a beautiful woman, and I do not know her, then I will approach her. I will not approach her ugly friends if I do not know them at all!
MAKE SENSE NOW? Shit.
Now, let me guess, some smart ass college graduate will say I am subconsciously racist, and subconsciously believe in stereotypes.
Prove it.
That is correct.
PROVE that we are subconsciously racist. Your degree in whatever social science is NOT evidence enough.
You cannot prove it by the Asian portrayal on TV. I stopped watching TV when I was 13, save for the occasional Walking Dead episode or Terra Nova episode.
I have not seen many Asian women going for white guys on television shows. I do not watch porn, of ANY kind. I liked Asian women since I was young, and at the time I lived in a place where very few Asian girls dated white guys, so “they are easy” mentality is not true for me.
Anyways, there is definitely a good portion of Asian men dating white women who hate white men. Maybe those men should get ridiculed too.
Oh, but they are not the oppressive race. They are not responsible for stereotypes and oppression of minority groups…but then again, neither are most white guys.
You are a more kind Asian woman than most. All of them seem to despise white guys for finding them attractive.
I like asian women like the guy who wrote this article, but they all stick with their own kind where I live.
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Now guys, here is the reason I am skeptical about equal portrayal in the media for Asian men.
See, the Korean Wave paired with the possible Chinese takeover in economics is causing white women to run to Asian men in droves.
At the same time, the colleges these days are teaching Asian women that white men are evil and not to date us. College classes are brainwashing Asian women to make straw men assumptions that we are all “subconsciously racist” when it cannot be proven as fact.
These two facts are causing AF/WM to drop while having AM/WF to rise. A person would only say this was not hypocrisy if they were anti white men.
For this reason, I am displeased with the amount of white girls who date only Asian men.
Another white guy here who shares your views. I’ve really Only ever dated one “Asian girl” – and she happens to be third generation “ABC” and my wife of (going on) 10 years. ABC of course meaning she is as American as apple pie and not some mail ordered bride from a far away and impoverished land. She drinks beer, likes to BBQ- and watches sports with me.
I certainly didn’t go out looking for an Asian when I met her – rather I was stupefied by her particular beauty when she first walked through my field of vision. I grew up in a small rural town with no Asian population, and while I was friends and roommates with a cute Filipino girl in College, I certainly did NOT have an Asian fetish. I always saw myself as an equal opportunity lover, finding women of all couloirs capable of being sexy. I was definitely aware Asians could be “hot”, but was not fixated on them.
Of course the minute I began dating my wife – I heard all the typical claims from having a fetish to lewd suggestions about her “tightness” and sexual prowess in bed.
It’s unfortunate that we get labelled as such, but it doesn’t really impact our lives. Who cares what “they ” think – we’ve known from day one we were soulmates and it wouldn’t mattr if our skin were orange, green, or blue. I love her and she loves me – neither one of us hates our own race or subjectively worships another. No more so than your classical American horn dog “worships” blondes.
We are men though – and there’s nothing racist or wrong about being honest with what attracts us to one another. LIke you say – its the sum of all parts. It’s not just the eyes, or the hair, or her complexion, or her cute little feet – its everything – including (and especially once the initial physical attraction has leveled off a bit) the compatibility of our personalities.
When I look at her, I don’t see an “Asian girl” , I see the woman I love unconditionally who is the mother of our children. Although, I will readily admit that any successful interracial marriage – particularly if composed of a pair of goof balls like us – does involve a healthy amount of good natured ribbing (I like to change the lyrics of popular songs so that they are about Asian girls and rice, for example, just to tease he, while she likes to point out traditionally crazy white behavior like wearing shorts in the winter….although I’m sure to ultra-libs this is proof positive that we secretly hate each others and our own races as we all know ultra-libs know us better than ourselves and are the benefactors of truly healthy and sustained romantic relationships).
Long story short- some guys will like blondes, some will like brunettes. And a few of us lucky omes will stumble into a situation where we find ourselves head over heels in love with an Asian woman.
It’s a tough job but someone has to do it.
Wow! I wish more American were as accepting of Asians as you are! I’ve never had a white guy come up to me or ask me on a date before even though i’ve lived here in the U.S for over 16 years. Sad,but true. So most of my relationships were with Asian guys.
Personally, I think there is still a growing racial discrimination against us Asians in this country. Most white guys I’ve come across tend to make fun of or stereotype us Asian girls. In my personal experience, there is still a seperation between Asian and the white population in our society. I have YET to see a white guy come up to an Asian. Sad but true. And most white guys don’t usually see themselves hanign out with Asians (cultural diffenerces? ) but rather choose to hang out with their own American peers. Sad but true.
I really hope more Americans were as engaged in diversity and accepting of other races as you (the author)….:)
I’m an asian female dating a white guy. . I have found myself attracted to mostly white guys but I’m okay with the occasional asian male. It wasn’t that I found all asian guys unattractive, but the ones that I did know were spoilt. Attractiveness for me encompasses both personality and physical attractiveness. Being a migrant myself, I know that in Asia, males are still sometimes regarded as superior to female offspring… couple that with the fact that migrant children (those who could afford to come over legally) were probably of a higher socio-economic status and had maids back in their home country … you can sometimes see why asian males can be perceived as “spoilt”. I like a guy who doesn’t mind cooking WITH me instead of someone who expects to be cooked for or want to cook for me.. It very much a relationship of equal respect.
Oh My!…..103 pages of comments…..quiet some hefty interest you have churned. But as to the second of the two questions you asked “born with it?” well if you start digging into emerging studies about the brain you might conclude that “born with it” might be the most likely element of this whole discussion. As someone who is married to an Asian, I think all of this is
over-thinking it. If not born with it or it being some psychological snag, I suspect it’s all about personal preference settled into whatever individual dynamics actually cause us to be attracted. Relax and enjoy what pleases you…assuming it does not cause harm to others. But that is me; obviously lots of others here think about it in other ways. (Too bad so many are anons.)
That’s just it.
A white dude hurts Asians when he likes Asian women. The fact that they are Asian does not lead a man to them, it is physical preference. The way all the physical traits most associated with Asians are normally attractive to “asiaphiles.”
Even if we dont scream quotes from full metal jacket, or demand that these women be “demure little geisha lotus bosoms” they say we must be subconsciously racist.
Anyways, they have a problem with the fact that we are attracted to them. They say we are assholes because we are subconsciously stereotyping them (so they say). I really dont understand because people cannot just change their attraction so easily as Asian American Advocate groups think.
Hmmmm! Well, that excavates a whole lot of other human nonsence that people hold on to not the least of which is conformity….and in this case, racial conformity. Its just another version of racism…..one that slips under the radar sometimes. Thinking folks should only date and love their own kind is just a step from thinking they should only live next to their own kind which is just a step from they shouldn’t be here anyway. I am not disputing your point about “hurts”; think you are right about it saddly. But is has no genuine place in our society. It is one more characteristic about which folks just need to get over and get a life. It is unfortunately the basis of all the protectionist complaints about assimilation. Its nonsence.
I agree completely! I like a wide variety and no one is telling me who I can or can’t date. If you want to look at me funny, then that’s all on you!
LOL! Can’t help but chuckle about that comment because it would be my guess that in fact, most of the looks you get are not about anything funny…..but the point is taken. And I can say that when my wife and I are out and about we do actually get looks. It’s bewildering because its all about a mindset that is over a half century old. Sighhhhh! Some people don’t and won’t change. Unfortunately it gets passed on too……
Sadly, the Asian American Advocate groups are okay with Asian men and White women dating outside of their race, but dont want Asian women dating out or white men dating at all.
They do this in some kind of attempt to get the dating disparity to balance out, not knowing that all the Asian women that will date white men are 30 years or older.
See my Ting and I: A Memoir of Love, Courage and Devotion available at http://tingandi.com or send email to douglas@tingandi.com and I’ll send you the pdf of the draft final version.
Looking at this based on my limited with Asian women, I aminclined to think that their personality is the key. More specifically, I have noticed that Asian women are less drama prone and don’t display their emotions as readily as other women of other backgrounds may.
I wasn’t attracted to Asian women until I met one whose personality simply astounded me. This particular person is the definition of cordial. She is pleasant to communicate with, shows that she appreciates a sense of humor, has opinions but keeps them guarded moreso than most, (it is a professional setting, and therefore I think she is remaining professional) and always remains level headed. I have never seen anyone do this as perfectly as this person. THAT is why I’m attracted to her.
I don’t know if this is a trend among Asian women, or if this one is unique, but a personality of tolerance and willingness to listen and interact in a productive way would attract a lot of people. If I manage to find someone who is interested in me who behaves like the person I reference, I would be an incredibly lucky man.
Just my two cents… what does everyone else think?
That is sad to hear that where you live in America, not a lot of white people hang out with Asians. I’m a Chinese-American girl that was brought up with both traditional Chinese and “westernized” upbringing. Most of my friends are white and I have been dating a white guy for 4 years. I have been asked out by many white, black, brown guys. Funny thing is, I’ve rarely been asked out by an Asian guy.
I find that I fit in way better with my white friends than I do with Asians, even American Born Asians. It is what it is. I also find that most Asians here don’t have a lot of non-Asian friends because they purposely don’t try to hang out with them and prefer to hang out with other Asians. Instead of blaming it on white people for not trying to be friends with you or ask you out on dates, why don’t you try to hang out with them? I don’t think it’s fair to blame them when you do the exact same thing.
I live in the mid-west and I can say that most people I’ve met are very friendly and accepting of diversity and other races. I find that it is mostly Asians/other races distancing themselves from white people. So next time you play the blame game, you should think about it from the other person’s perspective.
The thing that is stopping us here in America are the many Asian groups that are telling Asian women not to date white men. There are many Asian groups that are trying to have Asian women never date anyone who is not Asian while telling Asian men to have one night stands with white women. Hypocrites.
Interesting perspective. Reading from your article, I am guessing that it is thanks to your peers that you have an additional mental barrier. If you are truly hard-wired to prefer to Asians, what’s stopping you?
Be sure to keep in mind that you are a “representative” in-between cultures, so do not put a bad reputation for yourself and other like-kinds. The 1970s to 1980s and Joy Luck Club Asian male perception still somewhat exists today… even for us who were not born during that time.
The fact that you don’t understand what’s feminine about them, tells a lot about you. It’s how they act, a girl shouldn’t be afraid to look and act feminine. Most don’t have flat bodies either but they aren’t crazy curvy either. But we all know it’s great, fast forward 20 years and they still have great bodies.
I’m a european male in my 20s and have a definite preference for asians, many are in my opinion are ideal females – perfection.
I don’t believe in god but I’ll thank him/her for Asian women nonetheless!
“I’m attracted to Asian women because I can’t get white women.”
Truth.
I didn’t even bother to read this garbage.
“I’m attracted to Asian women because I can’t get white women.”
Truth.
Maybe for this guy, but it’s moronic that people make the assumption that this is the case for all WM/AF couples. I am a white guy recently married to an Asian-American woman. I am 6’2″, well-educated, and not bad looking and have never had trouble getting white women. Yet ignorant racists always seem to feel the need to assume I chose to go Asian because I had to or because I have some kind of fetish.
The thing is I didn’t choose Asian women over white women and I don’t generally prefer Asian women over white women. I dated many women – white, black, Asian, Indian, hispanic – and chose my wife out of them. It had nothing to do with her being Asian. She actually acts very “white” and our personalities just clicked. If I had never met my wife, there’s probably an 80% chance I would have ended up with a white woman. I can tell that both her family and my family think we are sellouts to some extent and are somewhat disappointed we married interracial, but hey, tough nuggets. At least it’s been a consolation to her parents that she went with me instead of her last boyfriend (black guy – they were not fans). But who cares. It’s about the person, not the race. If you are shutting yourself off to all races but your own, you could be missing out on something great. Racists need to respect people’s choices. I mean I live in NYC, a very modern city, yet the way people stereotype me having a fetish or whatnot, it feels more like 1960s Alabama sometimes. Stop being so ignorant, people.
Ridiculous.
Care to elaborate?
The reason this writer prefers Asian women is because he has exoticized them. It’s not that he has a preference for Asian women, he has a preference for an idea of what Asian women represent. For some white men it’s that they believe them to be submissive, for others it’s that they crave the exoticism and sometimes even conquest. White men date outside their culture to legitimate themselves and by having that token Asian wife proves how worldly and accepting they are. This is why white men who date Asian women almost always mention how educated they are. Asian women have become a middle-/upper-class trophy. Similarly, white men who date only Hispanic or Black women will often recite their working-class upbringing (even if they grew up in the suburbs). Overall, men who claim to ONLY date from a SPECIFIC race other than their own are merely looking to fulfill their own entitlement and curiosity of the exotic and foreign.
Well, there is not much to elaborate about when all that you offer is unsupported personal opinion. No doubt what you wrote is what you believe….. but that only makes it your beliefs that are loose comments that I believe to be rediculous. For instance, interracial marriage is on the increase across all races and the acceptance of them has doubled since the 80s. So what you say might be true of yourself or some cases that you seem to know about but it is hardly correct in terms of the trends and general population. What does seem to be the case is that people feel more free to follow their feelings of attraction and love in ways that social, cultural, and often religious pressures once impeded. Why make it less??
Americans are fucked-up. You have way too may issues. Learn to relax! -asian from Manila, PH
This is why everyone loves Filipinos the most, you are the most laid back. Everyone here in America judges each other, while being giant hypocrites themselves.
Wa wa wa. This is a load of trash. I noticed how your longest paragraph was about not being able to get white women. What are you trying to prove? Regardless, i don’t mind that you have an interest for asian woman but quit trying to explain why you do. Let’s say you really don’t look for asian females and it just happens that you like them, but that’s what many white males who are in a shaky life say. People won’t like seeing you with an Asian woman, but learn to live with it..instead of writing this. It was good entertainment but you try to legitimate yourself too much. Best of luck.
Disagree. It is definitely not a trend. Why not her then? What would stop you from committing to her?
Reading through your preconceived notions made me laugh, since I have a friend who actually fits a lot of these descriptions. He has only dated Asian women, and has preferences for which Asian ethnicities he likes best, though petite, “cute” and submissive see to be most sought after qualiites. Very rarely, he admits to possibly liking non-Asian women, but has never dated one. And yes, he is obsessed with Asian culture. He took a long trip to Taiwan, China and Japan, and has virtually no interest traveling elsewhere.
“But then every time I talk to an Asian woman, some people act like I’m in the throes of some uncontrollable fetish.” Well, he blatently and akwardly stares at Asian women he finds attractive; does that count?
I understand preferences, but this seems to delve into a fetish, and (imo) really dehumanizes the women he dates. I’ve never been ballsy enough to ask these women what they think about his dating history and how they fit into it.
I apologize if my comment struck a nerve. I can see how you may have misread my comment but I am not advocating for anti-interracial marriage. All I was pointing out is that people who claim to only date a specific race tend to exoticize them, hence their “preference.” I was not trying to say that any person who dates outside of their race is guilty of this, I was only referring to those who date exclusively from a specific race not their own. As for my “unsupported personal opinion,” here you go:
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=UA5WJeAdBvQC&oi=fnd&pg=PR15&dq=Exoticism&ots=SvN_he5Qmv&sig=WyhfUgzaIF0nn7EEu1-GJCHbfgY#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=UA5WJeAdBvQC&oi=fnd&pg=PR15&dq=Exoticism&ots=SvN_he5Qmv&sig=WyhfUgzaIF0nn7EEu1-GJCHbfgY#v=onepage&q&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=NzpGI6nvhHoC&oi=fnd&pg=PR1&dq=asian+americans+and+the+media&ots=DpXr5tJpey&sig=kXGbULEFCZVqcNB-1XvHC3ZUlso#v=onepage&q&f=false
I could go on but this is long enough already.
You are not a mind reader, so how can you prove that this man is subconsciously giving into stereotypes?
I don’t consider Asian women attractive.
Most White men don’t date Asian women. The ones who do date Asian women do it because they hate White women. They’re cowards and race traitors. They can’t handle an independent White woman so they have to downgrade, they also prefer a woman with the body of a young boy.
I am a 62 year old black man and have had many Asian girlfriends over the years. I have always found Asian woman curious about black men and willing to meet either in public or private. Personally I have found them to be good lovers and more than willing to experiment. They are usually very monogamous once a relationship has started, although some can, quite frankly tire you out. The younger ones under 25 are a little too demanding at my age now.
While some may be curious about the black stereotype, there is also the stereotype about Asian woman being very satisfying because of their size and I have especially found this to be true.
I think you’re the one who’s a coward here and can’t face the fact that asian women, like all other racial women, are attractive in their own way. Don’t judge just because someone has a “different” preference than what is considered from the norms. Like the author, not all white men who date asian women hate white women. It’s just part of their preference and who they are. Downgrade? Are you just feeling vulnerable about your race? Let’s not have the talk about which race is “better.” Each race has a different body type and if you did not know, there is a great difference between a body of a mature female and a young male. Do I really need to proceed further on?
I want to bring up the hypocrisy of putting the label of “asiaphile” on a white guy.
First off, the majority of assholes (males) who do this are Asian men who are with white women. The majority of cunts (women) that do this are Asian women working with the assholes.
The people who use this label are usually working with some Asian supremacy group. The men of these groups are always going out to clubs, getting drunk, and then having one night stands with white women.
So, to the people that say that white men who date Asian women are so uber horrible: Where are your amazing, wonderful, flawless Asian men now? He is going to fuck you while you are drunk and dump you.
Love how cowards like you will post shit on here but wont take this up with us “asiaphiles” in real life. I bet I could take you. You probably got beat up in school and contemplated suicide on various occasions, and I think that is funny.
One thing annoying me in the comments is that somehow Asian woman are a backup plan for failing to get a white woman. Implying that either white woman are more attractive, harder to get, or genuinely the first option. From my experience, Asian woman are no easier to date than white woman. Whatever you consider “easier” has more to do individual personalities and chemistry than it does race.
I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I think that what we forget is that for a lot of Asians dating out of choice is still something new.
So when an Asian woman (or at least a Korean woman) goes for a foreign man chances are she’s going against what her family expects of her.
Most white men have a hard time understanding this. Or worse – they have a hard time accepting that people would still live with this “ancient” for of relationships.
Dan Bloom
http://www.korea-dating-tips.com/asian-caucasian-dating.html
Gracious of you to apologize but not really necessary. It was not your opinion that I was questioning. It was the lack of support. What you have offered here still really does not support your comments but is a somewhat liberal application of “exoticizing”; a word by the way that is only found in the title and not in the content excerpts you have cited. I see your point but I think if you read the whole book, you may think differently. My delay in coming back here has interrupted the stream and many other comments that also are opinion and some that are regretful. We are talking about humans here folks. Yes it is true that often culture trumps “ways” that humans are but these are not breeds…… as if they have bred in characteristics. It is true there are individual differences in all people but I believe we are more alike than we are different….and any thought that launches stereotyping of people might make for challenging discussion but does not produce worthwhile conclusions. Check it out, it’s in lots of literature. Thanks for the apology gesture.
For the white male, they are attracted to the asian female. For the asian female, she is attracted to the status it will give her.
White males love asian females because they are attracted to them, period.
But for asian women, it gives them the opportunity to break out of their asian culture. They want to be accepted in the westernized US culture so they go for a white male. White males tend to represent a successful status in the US, asian females see this and chase it. Its more of a status attraction than a physical attraction. How are asian males represented in Western movies? small, nerdy, karate obsessed, gamers, etc…
how are white males perceived? rich, powerful, heroic, funny, strong, etc…
Now many asian females say they will date any race, the truth is, they dont. Even if they were to meet a very attractive, funny, strong, respectful asian male, she will never consider him because of his “asian” identity and all the negative stereotypes that go along with it. Instead she will find herself a white guy, even if she isnt really attracted to him, and date him because she THINKS it will boost her identity and pull her away from any negative asian stereotype. Of course most asian females will deny this fact. But it is true.
I am 33 year old Viet/Chinese female married to a Filipino man. Our girl cousins that date white men, have already admitted to refusing to date asian men because they do not want to be looked down upon. Most of the white men that these girls date are not even attractive in the first place.
I agree with you that people are not breeds, and we are more alike than different. Race is ultimately a social construction which is why I don’t believe a preference for a certain “race” can truly exist.
Absolutely! And your comment is absolutely illuminating in what has become a dark diversion within this topic about cross racial romance. Regretfully, what does “exist” is racial conformity – a social construct that is constantly flushing out in America as Anglo conformity….where fears are confused as preferences; where people who are not white are expected to seem white….and by the way speak white. Small wonder then that a presidential candidate goes to Puerto Rico and implies that everyone there needs to learn English if they want statehood. Strange….these views of assimilation!! O Brave New World, that has such people in it.
as the comment above shows, as an asian women, S.Korean, 19 years old, who tend to fall in love with non-asian men, to me, it’s even worse:/ some asian guys treat me as if i’m a slut who sleeps around with white men, and i’m not!(how dare you..!) i don’t want to speak inappropriate here, but once, a guy i happened to talk with (i even barely knew him) said “i don’t judge them(women who dates white men), because they have bigger….(!!)” i felt so insulted by that. since he was a friend of one of my friend, i tried to be nice and explain why im dating with him, and then it was so typical offensive reaction i get. ‘i dont judge you because i’m so cool, i have no reason to feel threatened to white men. i have beautiful girl friend. so, come on! you can be honest with me?’ huh loser’s talking blah blah blah. i got so angry and i fought to him, he couldnt say anything and i never saw him again.
if im dating with a white guy(of course hes a very hot one u.u) who is the best guy ever in my whole life, has the most beautiful smile with big sexy eyes, always listens to all the problems that im going through(i mean, seriously, who does that?), everytime i see him, says how much i look lovely when i smile with cute small eyes, cheered me up with cute dance, cares about me all the time, respectful and supportive thoughtful all the time, hours and hours of talking all the nights even when he has work tomorrow early, does it mean that im dating with him only for his green card? is it that much hard to believe?
he’s not a USA citizen, nor english native speaker(not perfect english, and my accent is much better.), hes not a rich guy at all. but i’m so into him, he’s the sweetest guy ever. i’m having a hard time recently and whenever i cried so sad and felt so happy there was him right next to me, supporting my dream, saying he’s so proud of me. why can’t people just get that it’s not always all about colours or ethinities?
yes i do more likely find attractive to non-asian guy in general. that’s true. i much prefer big eyes, they blow my mind with those lovely puppy eyes and beautiful nose, and
oh wait, isn’t it the standard of beauty in asia society?
they look pretty and sweet, i like it. it blows my mind. would you say it’s bad to like someone who looks beautiful to me? don’t you? it’s not that i don’t like asian men(like i said hundreds of times), which you haters would never accept, i just don’t find them attractive compared to white, latin, black men.
also i find very very attractive(my ex was from south america with beautiful tanned skin) to tanned skin latin guys, in fact, as all my best friends know, i just love latinos like brazilians, now what?
i’m sure haters would come up with sth else. and you know what? whatever. i don’t care anymore. it hurts my feelings being judged. i like hot and sweet nice guys.who doesnt? and foreign guys look beautiful to me. i find them very exotic.
oh bytheway, about being submissive. im so far from that. i’m sweet but never submissive. whoever said that, obvious never dated a young pretty korean girl. ask korean guys u.u
haters i feel pity for you i know you’re so jealous cuz im pretty and hot with nice big boobs. would you say i cant date a hot white guy then? how would you explain i usually prefer nice latin guys than snow white blonde cuties? all my cool guy friends never care me dating white guys or anyone, its always idiots.:/ suck it up and be a man. bitching around doesnt make you look any cool but miserable, seriously.
What’s with all the negative stereotypes? Let’s be civilized, please.
So perhaps mainstream media portrays Asian men as emasculate and Asian women as exotic; Anyone with a brain won’t give two sharts what the media claims. Or at least I’d like to think so (then again, looking at the crap on TV, here’s thinking there may not be hope for the human race after all). Erm, excuse my pessimistic nature there, it sometimes gets the best of me.
Not trying to be insular or anything, but I’m interested in people’s opinions on this… Regardless of their background.
As for me, I’m just a suburban honky tonk cracker who worships Satanic cults and underground death metal (literally). Despite being educated, athletic and working a steady IT sys admin job for six or so years… I have yet to meet an attractive Asian girl who’d give me the chance to date her unless I’m willing to shower her in gold and/or money. While the western media may portray non-Asian men as higher status, clearly in the real world it can’t just be about one’s race. Where is this so called white privilege? I sure as hell didn’t inherit any of it.
Perhaps the above was a bit cynical (as I tend to be sometimes), but perhaps it’s not so much about one’s race as it is the individual? Do not fret, my Asian brothers, there are many non-Asian males who also can’t get girls, thus you are not alone. All us socially blacklisted males, who exist in every race, should just join together and collaborate in a massive gay buttsecks orgy to rebel against the society that has disowned us! YAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am a 20 year old Korean-American female. Personally, I can definitely relate to the article. My family and I immigrated from Korea when I was 8 years old. I was raised in a pre-dominantly white middle-class neighborhood, and I have graduated from an American public elementary, middle and high school. I currently attend a prestigious private women’s college.
I’ve been conflicted many times reading articles that describe and explain the interracial relationship between a caucasian and an asian individuals. The older I get, the less confidence that I have in potentially finding a caucasian male partner.
I feel that I am attracted to caucasians for two main reasons: 1) Because I have been raised in the U.S., I am culturally American. I speak English fluently, I have learned French through middle, high school and some college. I have more inclination towards traveling European countries than Asian. The way the I speak, the way that I behave, and the certain beliefs that I have gathered through my experiences growing up in the U.S. definitely differ from my own parents’ behaviors and beliefs. Hence I prefer the American culture over Asian culture, because I am more comfortable and can easily adjust to the familiar American culture.
2) I am less comfortable with my own race. Does this sound…strange? Absolutely. But is it a fact? Yes. My theory is that because I was raised in a (mentioned above) pre-dominantly white neighborhood, I had less opportunities to involve and submerge myself among my racial peers. I had attended church and events with the Korean community, however, I rarely can think of times when I had spend immense time with other Korean peers. Due to this, I feel uncomfortable socializing with other Koreans. I do not know what to talk about, how to relate with them and how to behave properly around them. Because I’ve been so immersed in the American culture, I’m less acquainted with the proper ways of socializing and interacting with my own race.
I would like to emphasize, however, that because I am “attracted” to caucasian males, it does not mean that I am attracted to every stereotypical caucasian male that pass by me (blonde hair, blue eyes, tall, pale skin…etc). I am also attracted to any other racial individuals with the embedded American culture. As stated in the article, I would prefer an individual who I can feel comfortable with–and for myself personally, that means an individual with similar beliefs, behaviors, and lifestyle.
I can admit that it truly frustrates me when other individuals believe that I am attracted to Asian men because I’m Asian or when Asian men feel that they have a higher priority over men of other ethnicity because they are Asian. Any stereotypes of Asian women being submissive, sexual or physically “tight” is untrue. I am a strong, intelligent, independent woman, and I will find a partner who is also independent, understanding and equally intelligent. Sexual attraction is based on chemistry between two individuals regardless of race. The stereotypes of racial physique, I believe, cannot be supported by any scientific, medical data.
Sorry of the long comment…thanks for reading my comment and hopefully you can understand :]
I find it weird…
I might be the only asian female in here that goes with an asian male. And I am proud of it, let me tell you why.
I was born AND grew up in Southern California. Where i grew up it was pretty much all whites, my school was mostly whites. I was maybe 1 out of 4 Asians in my graduating high school class and i was the only Asian girl, the other asians were guys. My friends were white, i never saw the other asian kids. There were no black kids and there was maybe fewer than 5 hispanic kids. All the guys that liked me and tried to get with me were white guys. Some of them were attractive some of them werent. I didn’t date any of them, i always had a feeling that they saw me as easy and their Conquer and Conquest attitude kicked in when trying to get with me, it was annoying because they were very snobby, pushy, cocky, and loud, especially the jocks. A few days into my senior year i over heard some girls talking about the guys in our class had a bet on “who could bed that asian chick first”. i coulnt explain the feeling, i felt so degraded and i cried so much. i didnt tell anyone (not even my parents) and i just kept consistent and tried not to fall into these white guys’ trap. fortunately i didnt give them a thing, i never showed interest even if they were attractive. then around that same time a new student transfer comes in from another high school and he happened to be asian (filipino). i made friends with him because i had him in my first 3 classes and well it was nice to finally have a fellow asian friend. he was so nice, very respectful and even though he was shy, i fell in love with him right away. he wasnt tall, muscular, blonde, blue eyes. no infact he was short, he was just a bit taller than me, he wasnt muscular, he was just average for an asian male. he didnt portray the confidence that these white guys had but he never failed to try to start a convo with me, even though he looked scared and nervous. i fell for it and eventually we startted to hang out and what not. the same guys in that bet on “who could bed the asian chick first”, hated him. they even threatened to jump him once because of it, they never did but they just tried to scare him. he didnt care a thing though, he kept hanging out with me and he became my best friend. after graduation we went to the same college and we finally got together. i dont regret a thing. after 6 years of being married to each other, i couldnt imagine my life without him, we have 2 beautiful kids and he is still that same respectful, shy, friendly guy i met 13 years ago. also, i am glad that those guys had that bet, they never won. the only winner was someone who wasnt even in the competition, new to the school, and must i say…Asian. i think thats what ticked those guys off the most haha.
I guess i am the exception. 33 year old asian female growing up in a very American-white community and surrounded by American culture and media…. with an Asian husband. And yes I am proud of that.
I… wonder, if this social stigmatism towards white men being known to have a fetish towards Asian women could be a possible reason why it’s harder for some Asian women to find caucasian male partners? Because some white men fear this social label?
I like how you bring up the “Conquer” thing as if Asian men are any better. Asian men all just want to fuck as many white girls as possible to prove they are better than white guys.
I am sick of it. Asian girls will label all white men as “asiaphiles” but Asian men these days can have one night stands with countless white girls and nothing bad happens to them. They are still seen as better than us.
It seems like all Asian communities these days encourage Asian guys to have one nighters with as many white women as they can whilst simultaneously attacking white guy/asian girl couples. Think before you talk shit
Why are you pissing off at me. If you are a white guy I wasn’t attacking you. And if you are an asian guy i’m not trying to make you sound better.
What I’m talking about and mostly what I am targeting are these Asian women who fall in love with the skin color. They simply whore themselves out for white men. Yes it is an advantage to white men because well…. you get your sex. But for Asian women they degrade themselves just to be with a white guy. All for what, to have a better looking status. Please don’t tell me I don’t know what I am talking about, chances are I am older than you by a good margin, a lot of my girl cousins go for white guys and I’ve heard the stuff they talk about and what type of guy they look for. Want to know? Well for one, they have to be white and rich (i’m not making this up). Two they have to drive a nice car, have a nice house, basically be rich. Three, he has to be willing to pay for everything. Yes my cousins are gold-diggers. Ive seen the guys they go out with and there is nothing cute about them. They’re only attracted to what they represent. Infact some of the men they go out with look about 20 years older than them. One of my cousins even left the guy she was with after 5 years because he got demoted and took a $5k deduction to his salary , and what happens after? She found another guy the next day, who also happened to be white, rich, submissive with his finances toward her =) . Oh and he looked like he could be her dad. Do you really think there was any emotional attachment? You take a guess.
I’m not putting down white guys, or trying to boast an asian guys status. I’m targeting the stupid Asian females who exclusively go out with white guys for the status. The ones who whore themselves out because they want someone who can make them look better in society.
YOU are so RIGHT! I take each person as an individual as well! You can never judge a book by its cover and you must respect a person for who he or she is and NEVER judge that person by the his/her family. That is what is so great about this Country! If an individual treats you well, truly has YOUR best interest at heart, respects and loves YOU and the feeling is mutual well then YOU BOTH HIT THE LOTTERY OF LOVE! Unfortunately, that is a very rare thing indeed in the world we live in today! 🙁 I only wish it were much more common bc then the world would be a much happier place and people would treat one another with sincerity and kindness. There is truly a “lid for every pot” so to speak. So please try to continue to be as positive as possible if you haven’t found it yet bc YOU WILL! I understand that it can by trying at times but there IS a plan for every one. YOU just need to be patient. 🙂
some of these comments are bullshit. I’m Korean American and I’ve gone out with koreans, chinese, and white guys. I don’t go out with white guys because of status. I go out with someone if I’m attracted to them and they have a good personality.stop being bitter fucks.
I am actually glad that Asian ladies are now beginning to see the hypocrisy of their men:
http://spicyobsession.tumblr.com/post/20269181270/i-cant-stand-asian-men-who-will-date-white-girls-but
HAHAHAHAHA sucks for you asian guys. your women will always go for us white guys. look even asian women are defending us white guys and putting down you small asian men
well i understand why
we are more handsome, taller, bigger ****’s, more confident, make more money, more fun, party more, play less video games, more athletic, have more sex
asian guys well…. you guys are small, ugly, not confident, not fun, stay home and play games all day…or study all day, dont play any sports, bad at sex, and even if you make a lot of money, your still ugly
no wonder your women dont go out with you guys. hell not even our women want to go out with you guys. asian men are like an endangered species haha. oh well suck it up, i dont really care about you guys as long as im having sex with your women, and im sure they dont care about you guys either HAHA
I can tell you are either just a troll, or an Asian man trying to make white men look bad.
Before women look at this comment and think of how much better and flawless Asian men are, take a look at how Asian men think of white women:
http://www.shelovesasiancock.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl
I’m a white guy with a severe case of yellow fever. It has nothing to do with anything except pure attraction to an eastern Asian female. I don’t know why—it’s just how it is. I am patriotic as hell, I love America, God, my family—and I wish were more attracted to WASPy chicks like me—but I’m really attracted to the dark hair, skin, eyes, and general classiness of Asian girls. Don’t know why.
I feel Asian girls and white guys go really well together. I’m not attracted to blacks at all because our cultures are wayyyy too different. Asians are generally honest, family oriented, intelligent, and hard working.
No matter how long your article, you can’t justify your creepiness.
Sincerely, an asian girl who is fucking sick of these asain fetish guys.
im an asian girl and my boyfriend is asian. im not really attracted to white guys but a lot of them are attracted to me. and what is weird is that i feel like im in the lesser percentage of asian females who actually like asian men. and i was born here in white america so i grew up exposed to both asian and white men. i guess i feel like i have a natural attraction to asians because i am asian.
i certainly feel that more and more asian girls are continuing to ignore asian guys and i find it sad because a lot of them are incredibly genuine, honest, sweet, and loving yet even they would probably have a hard time finding a girlfriend in america since the asian male image has pretty much been ruined by the media. and even on these forums, it seems like everyone is against the asian male.
Aww, i pray one will come to a loving person like you soon!!
So long as you continue to swing personal attacks and ignore all reason to somehow justify your lust for vengeance and hypocrisy.
Seriously, if you hate white men so much go back to fucking korea.
You think Asian men are genuine, sweet, and loving? Wow, you dont know, do you?
They go to night clubs and shit and have one night stands with white women, but condemn Asian women who even look at white men. Of course, you will say it is okay for Asian men to do it because White men do this more often, but there are many white men who are the same as these Asian men you perceive. Whatever, you probably wont listen anyways, as logic and common sense is usually ignored by women like you.
when my wife(Korean) and I married she met so much resistance from her elders and from a few her cousins. one particular night her drunken relative said something that I’ll never forget. if it wasn’t for me being half white and Jewish her family would’ve walked out of her life. I’m guessing my black half is of low standing but my dads acquired wealth, and my moms whiteness with her Jewish upbringing make up for it. I should feel so blessed this guy is family now.
This comment stained the way I perceive interracial unions in our so modern society. ( LOL ) what a joke. sorry after Treyvon I’ve become somewhat a pessimist.
what I learned from this article, and the comments here,and from my wifes friends what this is a double edged sword. Both parties in this specific union either it be white male or Asian woman share a motive. whether its bad or good both look forward to benefiting from one another.
Trust me I have no biases towards neither. I’ve witnessed this firsthand from my Jewish male cousins and my wifes female friends and relatives. Let’s be honest and call this for what it is.
Good Afternoon Gentlemen,
I have a warning for both the Asiaphiles and for the Asian men.
I have been fighting the cyber front of this conflict between asiaphiles and anti-asiaphiles for the longest time, and while many of you say that you Asians are just venting about to your brothers and sisters about us, it does carry over into real life.
I want to inform that Asiaphiles, my brothers in arms, about the recent efforts by certain men to halt Asian women from dating ANY man that is not Asian. I read on a forum that is frequented by Asian insurgents about their efforts, and I wish to tell Asiaphiles a couples things:
1. If an Asian knows that you are into Asians, they will tell every Asian woman they cross paths with about it.
2. If an Asian man sees you with an Asian woman, especially if you are white, he will harass you and your girlfriend about it. And if this happens repeatedly when you are out in public with her, she will dump you so she does not have to deal with the stress.
3. If you are in an asian mini-ville (such as K-town or China town or little Tokyo) And you are with your Asian girlfriend…Asian men will attack you, physically. You have every right to fight back and should learn to, or maybe carry a weapon that is legal to carry in the state you are in.
But I have good news, for one and two, you can sue the fuckers for it, and you should do so.
And Asian men, think about what I have posted here before you do the violent, vindictive things I have described in this post.
Well well well. Last I checked anyone in America has the freedom to express their opinions. So here is my opinion. If you don’t like Asians, then you can go back to your bankrupting Europe. I think the native American’s was more Asians than your pale (_|_).
…And in America, you have the freedom to say “ass”
You are a racist.
i’m an asian girl, i want an asian man first, not a whiteman. an asian man is my true sexual mate. without an asian man, i will choose between a whiteman and ethiopian african. why? i accept ethiopian african men because i recently found that ethiopian africans have face style similar to an asian like me, except their skin is darker but not tar.
soory, i’m an asian girl, i’m never impressed by any white man’s physical appearance. but i know well that a white man is more good looking than blacks.
since when whitemen rule the world? historically, asian Mongols had conquerred and massacred white Europeans before sth whites could prove a certain equality to asians. USA (predominantly whites in the eye of the outside world) is bankrupt, thais are also the creditor of this bankrupt nation.
i’m an asian, i am never interested in any whiteman naturally, either.
I am happy for you…
Yes you are better than most Asian women who prefer white ass husbands. I can relate to your story but since I am a male, I know what its like to be singled out by diversity of people.
Living in America is hard, I too am against these interracial stereotype couples. I wish I can meet a lady who is Filipino or at least…Chinese/Vietnamese ect.
-American born Pilipino
I have zero-tolerance of this White-man Asian Fetish BS…
I know most Asian women will date their own kind, but why do so many of you have to hate all white men?
http://cassandrapowers.tumblr.com/post/22397435377/slightly-drunk-230a
Oh really? then why are u chasing after white guys or middle easterns like a horny dog? U Asian girls are so easy & I guess white guys like u cz u they get to screw u so easily, you are so mean and cruel when u have to deal with a whit girl but when it comes to their guys u wear short skirt and run after them , what can be more cheap?
I think it is our freedom to love whoever we are interested, regardless of race. But don’t just focus on asian women, bashing us just because we don’t fight back, bunch of stupid bitches. I am an aisan girl and i like white men, asian men are not my type because they all looked like girls. You seen korean, they took so many surgeries and ended up looking like my own gender, seriously… fuck them. I want manlier guys and muscular guys, i like hollywood movies, and boy do the actors looked fine, compared to the actors i seen in korean dramas, bunch of girls, yuck! Apart from that i like other races too like french, mexican, latina… just don’t prefer asians, except the ones that are hot! And for those white women who like asian guys who thinks white men are no good, this is your chance to get asian guys, just saying
asians can only blame themselves,in Asian culture white is right. Tell me I’m lying I dare you. go to Japan or Korea turn on the t.v and you’ll see how eurocentric Asia has become. White America is an Asian women’s utopia there is no denying the truth. like I said before let’s just call it for what it is. When the Eventual truth is very few Asian women born here will date an Asian man. We need to kick the truth here the Asian community is being turned out by white mainstream and the Asian male isn’t invited to the party. Don’t be mad at me I’m just calling it how I see it.
Choosing one’s partner primarily on looks or sexual attractiveness is undertandable…nature’s way of producing more offspring eventually. It is not the key to a long and happy relationship.
Generalizations about groups of people are often wrong, though they sometimes have elements of truth. Handle with care.
It is a shame that much of this discussion has revolved around stereotypical descriptions of physical characteristics. Much more important, in the long run, is character, and none of the races has a monopoly on admirable people.
A friend of mine is currently in S.E. Asia. He only dates Asians. I asked him why and he replied:
“Because an Asian woman thinks I am better than Asian men and I think because she is guaranteed my dick will be many inches bigger.”
I was shocked that my friend, who seemed so liberal, would reply such. I do not believe that all white men who date Asian women think this way, but unfortunately there is many that do, including me friend. (Well, former friend. Ever since that comment I’m kind of turned off by anything he says.)
On the other side of things is Asian women who only date white guys. When I asked one of my Asian gf’s regarding this she replied:
“White guys are nicer than Asian guys. Plus there is the added fringe benefits.”
I didn’t go on to ask any more questions. Obviously some people seem to think there is some hidden magic that will be unlocked if they date either race. Unfortunately writer, these are the people who set the stage for all of those stereotypes.
Thank you for this article.
I like Asian girls because of appearance. I like that way that the almond eyes, flatter nose and black hair all go together. Any person who brings up “subconscious stereotyping” is a moron because I dont really watch TV unless “being human” is on. I will date white women, black women, and latinas, but Asian women are my preference.
Anyways, to the people that dislike me for things I cannot control: I dont give a fuck if you hate me, but stay out of my way. If im with an Asian girl and you run up to her calling her a slut and preaching about how all women of every race should date Asian men, I know how to fight, and I am not afraid to put a gash in your forehead. If you know an Asian girl that I like, and tell her not to date me and tell lies that I am “subconsciously racist” I know how to fight, and im not afraid to put a gash in your forehead.
Just like all the other so called “asiaphiles” and all the asian girls that like white guys, I am sick of Asain supremacists making my love life difficult. I know for a fact that right after an Asian guy attacks an Asian girl/white guy couple, he goes for a one night drunken fling with a white woman. I cant wait to one day find one of these hypocrites who has contracted STD’s, so I can tell him “herpes is a bitch, aint it?”
Hello, I just wanted to respond to your posting about asian men and asianphiles. Just wanted to say that I am an asian male and when I see an asian woman and a non asian male couple I react the same way as if I see any other couple and that is a sense of well being and satisfaction that 2 people love each other. I’m sure that there are asian males out there that do not feel the same way but I am sure that a majority at least feel indifferent or even some fondness of it like I do. So I hope you are happy with your partner which is what is the most important thing and race is really the most unimportant thing.
Well I am half European and half Asian girl and I have to say, that I love Korean guys (n.1) then French guys (n.2). Who cares if they are Asian or Caucasian. For most of the Asian women, they prefer Asian men and they do tend to marry one as well. Asian women do not prefer Caucasian men, because of their culture and many other things. Perhaps South West Asians might prefer them, but that does not apply to the rest of the Asia. One thing is same for the whole continent, and that is that if an Asian woman where to chose one man she likes the most, Korean will be the number 1.
As for Caucasian men liking Asian Women.. I think it is a matter of personal choice. It seems to me, that some might look at it as some kind of fewer or something (well Asian women certainly are beautiful), but then again, same can be said about any other race e.g. black fewer or similar lol
People are attracted to other people not because of their race, but because of different aspects he or she prefers. It is a shame that stereotypes and racism is still everywhere very live and common.
Looking back, even thou my preferences are clear, I have ended up dating Latin American guy, which had obviously nothing to do with where he comes from. I have never thought I could date Latin American, but his personality is so beautiful, that question about his heritage is no problem to me. To be totally honest, he does at some points looks little korean and he will be learning French, which is all I need.
people that have come on here and say they are married to an asian women and try to convince themselves and others its not about race are very delusional.
The only way it wasn’t about race is if you have known your wife/girlfriend for a while and already had a history.I’m attracted to brown/indian girls. Am I going to come here and justify it? funny people. Accept what you are attracted to and try not to lie or convince others.
I am chinese/vietnamese living in toronto, born here too. It is very acceptable for interracial dating. I would no longer date asian girls and I have a son with one. Why? Most asian girls want to spend money as long as its not their own. White guys have no problem with this. My mom dated a white guy when I was young. Want to know why? because of security and his color of his skin.
My best friend is guyanese, married to a vietnamese woman. They have 3 beautiful children. Known each other since high school. Race isnt a issue with them never was. They know each other inside out. Now the inlaws is another story. I use to have a good white friend he is only attractive to filipinos, why? he says they are easy and good to look at. Hes dated over 10, none of them hes known for a long time. So its all physical for him, get my point?
“yellow fever ” or whatever you folks call it is a real thing. If you have only dated or are attracted to asian women you have it… don’t lie to yourself. If all things were equal and 2 women were madly in love with you or wanted to sleep with you, a asian one or your other perference who would you chose? asian of course. Me myself I’d chose brown if it was solely on looks. Point is physical attraction is a big part of who you want. And for people to come here and say they dont favor asian woman are full of sh*t.
I am an asian girl, I guess in the end you like what you like. To be honest I find it weird and if you said that to me and I was dating you I would get the wrong idea and that would be the last date ( without alot of follow up explainations). Also it is a huge turn off to meet a guy with yellow fever or someone who wants to do an asian once.
Exactly! And that is a bad thing how?
Its cool to find it weird…but dont hate all white men because of it and dont believe people who say we are “subconsciously racist.”
I like Asian women for purely physical reasons. It is not shallow because physical attraction is important for the catching of the eye. BTW I like all races of women, but Asian is my preference.
Lastly dont talk bad about us and dont tell your asian friends to dump a guy because you think he is an “asiaphile”
You white men are so hostile and violent.
you know what i find funny…
is all the asian girls that i know that go out with ONLY black guys…admit to it. and they have no shame in saying they dont like asian guys and they like black guys because they find em hot. i dont mind that, thats honesty
yet all the asian girls that i know that go out with white men…always deny that they wouldnt date an asian guy. and they all say race was never a factor. there must be something about dating white men that make you wanna say that your still open to dating other races haha
hmm… IMO, this is 2012, if your in america…RACE IS and WILL ALWAYS BE A FACTOR, especially in the dating scene.
you are a smart guy my friend, finally someone with sense.
coming to these forums here is the typical things to see from an asian woman.
“its not about race”, “i just HAPPENED to fall in love with a white guy”, “he could be blue, brown, green, black, id still love him the same”, etc….. that just sounds like BS.
i dont blame the white guy, he can fetish asian woman for as long as he wants. but asian women give it up so easily to white men then act like its not an issue. in my opinion this is how a lot of asian women think in the US
*sees an attractive asian male*… “no his family is probably really strict, hes probably not good in bed, hes probably a loser, hes probably not that confident”
*sees an attractive white male*… “oh my god i would look so much better than all my asian girlfriends who go out with asian guys, and he is probably rich. but he is probably an asshole but i dont care..im approaching him”
*sees an average looking white male*… “oh my god i would i would look so much better than all my asian girlfriends who go out with asian guys, and he is probably rich. but he is probably an asshole but i dont care..im approaching him*
asian girls towards asian males = falling into american stereotypes about asian males
asian girls towards white males = ultimate american achievement
Most white men who go out exclusively with asian women usually cheat on them.
If they get married, they cheat even more.
I like dating white guys. I am an asian girl. However, I look mixed. Golden tan in the summer, naturally wavy hair, sharp features, athletic build yet curvy.
I also used to exclusively date black guys.
I have dated most races. Including asian.
I like dating white guys because I find myself I attracted to them. It wasn’t always that way, but it is a recurring theme right now. I do find their families less intimidating, that we have many commonalities, but it happens that their features coincie with onest hat attract me- tall, coloured eyes, tan. I don’t limit myself to white guys nor will I only date them if white. Bullshit are the people that claim asian girls date white for eurocentric reasons or because they are attracted to one feature of them. It takes more than one feature that overrides everything.
I am told that I have this look that is appealing across cultures (as do most people that look mixed) so I am not limited to one culture. It is not me trying to date “up”. I am not cheap- I always offer, or even try to pay. I have a good job. I am just honest in my preference. But before you chirp me, I am dating an asian guy. He is not tall, nor does he have coloured eyes, I do not like his family, and we do not have many commonalities. He makes me laugh. Go figure.
And like I said, dont believe the crap people make up based on anecdotal evidence.
The preference has nothing to do with any superiority complex. Preference is a preference. Do you know how many Asian guys like only white women? You are probably one of them, and you are a bit of a hypocrite…and a coward.
A suggestion for White Boy & Some Asian-Americans
* Do some research regarding white privilege and power. The more the better. A Ethnic Studies 101 class is a good start. Why? you ask. Cuz Ethnic Studies is a fundamental critique of U.S.society. Kewl, right? While researching, you might notice a pattern where ultimately white heterosexual males benefit immensely, hence an ingrained sense of supremacy over the “other.”
* Once you have some grasp of step 1, express some critical discourse regarding how racism and colonization has created a pathologically distortive effect on AsianAmerican sexual relations/psychosexual dynamics.
A “preference” for some other race is a bit tooooo specific, no?
* For those already engaged in white/Asian romances, please refrain from the “Love is Colorblind” mantra, because, as expressed by someone else, that excuse “… do not challenge people’s ideas, they participate in silencing the voices of other folks who have had race impact them in negatively in these areas (i.e. ‘I don’t date Asian guys’), and they add no value to the conversation.” I know, if all things were EQUAL, love IS colorblind.
Did I mention colorblind? Once again, as expressed by someone else, “Colorblind racism is subtle & sophiscated. It is the manipulation of a formal, abstracted notion of Colorblindness to deny and thus perpetuate actual White racism, privilege, and dominance in all but name.
It involves invoking some feel-good generalities that APPEAR to be positive at face value (i.e. “The issue is not skin color”) in order to minimize how racism powerfully impacts socio-economic and political life in America.”
Did you know many men of color unwittingly subordinate themselves to white men in the overall societal order?
Do you understand the (white) privilege mentality of entitlement, where the the world is yours to shape and ya feel you have the right to…
It’s A LOT more complicated than ya think.
Know thyself & love others. Peace.
Interesting response. Me coward? I probably would be a lil’ afraid to debate with an intellectual powerhouse & lyrical terrorist like yourself.
Love and hate attraction and revulsion….opposites just like white and black…it is natural to prefer your own as to not. It is ok whatever you do….no one can judge.
It is positive racism to prefer one race. Negative racism to hate one race.
Or he’s not as big of a dumb fuck like you and doesn’t want to waste 50 hours in a theausaurus to make himself be try hard to sound smart. The Mage already knows the answer to this convo..
You are a coward because you are afraid to think or speak for yourself.
Ethnic studies? Thats just the opinions of your teacher, a person who perceives themselves as somewhat intelligent all due to the psychology classes he took (and btw psychology is a bullshit science).
You are in fact a total dumbass, so you use this college degree and big words to hide that obvious fact.
I’m not asian, nor white, but I think asian women have an strong attraction to white males, I’m not saying that all of them are dating, engaged or married with white dudes, my point is that asian women are the bigger race mixers of the whole world and always have white guys in their minds, evidence?, check for example all asian female celebrities, how many of them have a non-white partner?, more evidence? go to California, in that place 60% of asian women are dating with white guys, and AF/WM relationships are the most common IR paring in USA, more evidence? look for example western (white) males in asian countries, how many of them have low chances to get an asian female as partner? yes, the answer is FEW, white males are highly accepted by Asian women, even in asian countries, Japan, China, Philippines, South Korea, THAILAND, just for name you some examples. Is true that many asian women who date white guys want “a better social status’or have beautiful hapa babies, but please don’t generalize, there are other asian women who date white guys just for the circumstances, for example few asians in their place of residence, study or work, or simply they had the opportunity to meet someone special and that special one was a white guy, so there are a lot of explanations to undertsand why asian females love white guys, but I think that all of them would like to have some relationship with white males, without exception, my words will sound biased however I have not found anyone to contradict me, sorry
Me neither. Im half black half filipino and from observation asian women tend to flock to white men, its so common to ignore. the funny part is that they do not ever admit it and cover themselves by saying that race was never a factor. ill be honest, race is always a factor, the only reason people (especially asian women) think that race isnt a factor is that its become so accustomed into our daily lives that we arent even aware of it or atleast admit that we are.
i never look at an asian person and say “hmm i wonder what race he/she is”..no i automatically assume they are asian unless they tell me otherwise. why? its because its second nature.
i look more asian than i do black, growing up i never really heard any good stereotypes about asian males and unfortunately i fell for it. a lot of it was because of the AMERICAN media as well, white males were always the heroes and protagonists so i became attracted to them. but as an asian female, i only heard good things about my race/gender combination. asian women are exotic, gentle, sweet, cute, etc… i was always very proud of my filipino culture and i always hated when asian males were portrayed so negatively in media because… i knew NOT one asian male like the asian males they portray in movies.
so ill be honest and say, i dont date white men, i only date asians and blacks. you can hate me for being honest
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/average-penis-size-world-map-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
LULZ
@ the Mage u one sorry muthafcka… I think you’ve inhaled too much fumes from all the crosses you burned.U the type where the other sh*thole u call ur mouth spew bigoted verbal diarrhea at non-white men & subtly tell Asian women that by being with ur pink monkey azz they too can enjoy the systemic social privilege that only albino mutated fcuks like you enjoy due to the white suprematicst capitalist patriarchal… never mind cuz u ain’t never gonna get what’s going on, so a middle finger and some slap nuts to ya sorry Wonderbread azz.
I am just saying like it is
You make white men sound like demons when they are not..There is no reason for failure in the USA unless your dumb.I can show you 100s of immigrants families that have been here one generation and are very sucessful.Then there is people who are here for generations and live off welfare and are scum..Then ou say white power and privelage,where do you come up with such crap.Why is it because white men are great inventors and athletes and fathers.Where do you come up with these stereotypes.Stop spreading hate and misinformation about whites.My father is native american and he is glad the whites came here and so are many in his tribe because they are all rich from either working hard or casinos.Whites are not anyones enemies,maybe they are more sucessful but no more than asians so why not hate asians to.You must be a failure and blame it on whites or something because there is no logic to your statement
I dont know where you get this idea thats whites think they are or act superior anymore than any other group.I never would look at someone because of race and I dont know of anyone who has.I look at family values and IQs which whites and asians are at the top but that dosnt mean I would exclude anyone else..I do hate one group and that is western women.They are selffish spoiled rotten money grabbing sluts or at least 40% of them are..I would date anyone from outside the west wether it was from Russia poland,Germany,Thailand,the phillipines,south america ect..Western women would sell there souls for one more shopping trips.
I’m mixed-white and Asian and I decided to only date Asian guys. I had grown up in a mostly white area and didn’t learn til later that I had been buying into the idea of white superiority. It is deep-seeded, pervasive and I don’t think white people are even conscious of it and neither was I.
I never considered dating Asian guys until I moved into a city where there was a big Asian population and I was removed from minority status.
Now I don’t understand why other Asian women would date white men who prefer them for their race.
Seriously, isn’t it embarrassing to know that your man likes you for your race? I was embarrassed whenever the Asiaphile I had dated mentioned his previous Asian girlfriend.
Sometimes Asian women out with their Asiaphile flinch when they see me, knowing that another Asian woman is on his radar. How f*ing humiliating. And I’ve also seen how the Asian woman/white male dynamic works in my own parents. Racism and love can both be present in a relationship, believe me.
I used to be married to a white in 2002. He was incredibly handsome, sweet, confident, funny, charming, etc.. He made good money as well since he was a manager for a state agency. 8 months after our marriage I started getting suspicious about him staying overtime so much but never really considered it because the amount of trust i had in him limited my thinking. I was asked to drop off his laptop to his office one day and as i did i realized one thing… the majoritiy of the employees in his office were attractive younger girls. I coudlnt ignore it anymore and I hired a private investigator and sure enough..he was having an affair, and with guess who. Yup another asian girl, who NOW happens to be a manager herself. Hmmm???
After about a year of depression, I lost all attraction to white men. Even though I know that not all of them cheat, it was just too hard to look at them the same. Just a quick message for you asian girls with white boyfriends…keep your guards up.
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hahahahahaha, thanks eliza, so true. There is no contradiction to say “race is not a factor”……duh, OF COURSE IS A FACTOR
I am an Asian woman(oriental/southeast). I had my chance with white men, but i prefer not to take it. I felt the ones who like me , had a fetish,or just plain creepy. I’m not saying all white men with Asian women are weird or creepy,but this is my experience with white men.
I ‘m married to An South Asian/white man. He is the love of my life. In the beginning I did not know he mixed, he had an ambiguous look about him.People think he is Middle Eastern. We were friends, later he told my about his ethic background. I was attracted to him as a person first.Everything else comes second.
All along I was looking who love me for being me.
Sorry to say so.. I am an European though scandinavian tall light blond and blue eyes.. and I am shocked by the ways the U.S. look down on races in whichever way since most of ya are halfbred anyway… you guys and girls know what? It does not really matter about race and general stereotyping… most of us are christians… yet no one bothers to show up in church except for a few only big showout is for funerals and weddings and such other than that most of it is just traditions… been dating quite a few over the years myself as well.. but details and more about that later on.
Alot of you Americans (Asian, Black, white, hispanic or whatever) need to grow up around certain things as it is easy to hate a minority or rather I would say cheap hey I am not a religious guy or whatever but a clever guy once said ‘those who have never committed a sin, throw the first rock’ why simply not just go by that?
Recently started dating an asian woman.. and how to put it fell for her personality first of all and way of being like any other woman no matter of race religious believe or whatever I have ever dated over the years… yes some people are racists… but really it is those people we should all pity… if they really want to be like that though it is fine, but keep it to themself and do not actually hurt people because of your believes… ‘all religions is equal for those who believe’ another clever man said… also we are in general talking about human beings with feelings and to same genetic heritage whenever it get to it since no matter race there can be made another human being of it.. it is down to that path we have to go and think and accept people among us no matter where we are in the world…
What many people are putting down here is like.. ‘oh my god that person there is a muslim… he must be a terrorist..’ an ignorant person once said which so often is wrong when it is only a serious few of them that really am and terrorists exists in any society no matter of which believe or race or whatever, it has many degrees though.
People can do whatever they would like to as long as they are not doing anything wrong or against the laws in whichever country you are from, the big thing comes down to accept people for who they are.. if they are changing somewhat into something different but not in a wrong way accept it… if not your cup of tea or pint of beer or vodka shot then just let it be at that and move on… think about if your brother or sister turned out to be a homosexual or started to date a black man/woman or whichever race would you disown him or her for his or her choice? when the fact is you should be happy on there behalf for having a good time instead.
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I find this woman to be very smart in her view of the whole “asian girls white guy yellow fever” thing.
Everybody should read the text between the pics. No idea why she posted a naked white chick on her blog (NSFW)
http://theuncagedsoullifestlye.blogspot.com/2012/07/he-likes-you-because-youre-asian-must.html?zx=181debdcd6d35f64
Hello people. I just feel like this is better insight and more likely to generate some mutual understanding as these are the very words that “creepy yellow fever guys” have been trying to get across for a long time now. You should all read the text and ignore the nudes. I have no idea why she has those pics.
(NSFW)
http://theuncagedsoullifestlye.blogspot.com/2012/07/he-likes-you-because-youre-asian-must.html?zx=33193c26622473c
(I felt the need to double post because I forgot my email last time which I think is required, so my bad if this post shows up twice.)
So……let’s hook up?
I’m 30, and I’ve been waiting for ages, I guess I’ll have to wait next life. Thanks!
So who’s the Asiaphile in your family, your mom or pops. You did mention you were half white!
You are the only Caucasian here who understands us Asians and say this, if I ever met you in real life, I would give you a million dollars for what you commented. Thank you for your response. I have a lot of respect for you.
Unfortunately, most white women are not feminine these days compared to their Asian counterpart, they are feminists.
=) just saying the way it is and not in denial
I believe mixed marriage is for better genes and lifestyle because to mix up with your brother and sister is easy to bring a idiot baby or mental problem to your next generation.
I find it funny how Asian women are always complaining about yellow fever but when they only date White males.
Columbia university did a study on this subject and the find out that yellow fever is not a rampant as Asian women would like people to believed.
They find out that majority of White men who would date Asian women ,were also opened to date non-Asian women. The irony is that majority of Asian women wanted to date White men only.
Asian women cry about yellow fever to cover their self-hate/White worship,it’s a way to hide their own fetish for White men.
Check any dating sites,you will see that majority of Asian women are seeking only White men but most of the White men are open to other races.
Lets be honest some the reasons White men give for dating Asian women are based on American media who is controlled by Jewish White men.
Lol, it’s a coincidence that majority of White men with Asian women are Jewish.
People can talking about AW/WM relationships but no one talks about the high divorce rate amongst these couples.
No one discussed on how Asian women dates so many White men before finally marrying one which usually end up in divorce.
So no majority of these White men going after Asian women do it for the wrong reasons.
They assumed these women will be like a maid/servant not an equal partner.
So Asian women no ones is buying the bs as if your being forced to date these predatory White men.
White men knows Asian women are easy to get if they are White men,so it’s no wonder they go for you. Asian women are also aggressive when they out looking for White men and will do anything in the bedroom to keep this man.
Btw I knew some Asian women who were dating 2-3 White men at the same time,so Asian women are sneaky sluts/Whores.
Dummy’s Guide to Asian Girls with White Fever
The WHIGGIE (White Guy Groupie)
A brief profile of Asian girls afflicted with “White Fever”
ORIGINS: A subset of women of Asian ethnicity, usually found residing in major U.S. cities, although they have been known to appear overseas occasionally. Closely related to their cousins, Yellow Cabs (Japan), Gwei-Po’s (Hong Kong), Sarong Party girls (Singapore), Twinkies and Bananas.
NOT TO BE CONUSED WITH: Intelligent, emotionally-secure women who are free of identity problems, self-hate, racial prejudice and chips on their shoulders.
CHARACTER TRAITS
– Poorly developed self-identity. Pathetically insecure with themselves and their ethnicity.
– Resentment of father’s traditional, authoritarian upbringing (whether real or perceived).
– Brainwashed into believing that they, as AF’s, are more desirable than other women in exotic lotus blossom kinda way. Willingness to pander to western media sexual stereotypes of AF’s, which they perceive as marketing advantage.
– Thoroughly whitewashed. Desperate need to fit into “mainstream” (i.e. white) society and to distance themselves from their Asian heritage. Racial inferiority complex.
– Feigned air of superiority when dealing with members of own race and any other minority groups. In need of major attitude adjustments.
– Exaggerated, whiny, Encino-esque valley girl accent.
– Delusions of grandeur… “I want it all…and that begins with the right (i.e. white) guy…” Asian-American princess complex.
– Uncanny ability of determine one’s nationality, occupation, earning capacity and make of auto within three minutes of commencing a conversation.
– Exaggerated perception of white males’ value in increasing AF’s social status.
– Ignorant and narrow-minded, eager to adopt and perpetuate fallacious western media stereotypes of Asian men.
– A compulsion to trash Asians, particularly Asian men, in order to justify their autoracist tendencies, placate their guilt and bolster their self-esteem.
– Extremely shallow, self-centered, argumentative and boring.
– Disdains ethnic studies; regards it as a major threat to her carefully constructed, self-deceptive whiggie identity.
– Despises all Asian men, with the occasional exception of their brothers (after all, they share the same genes.
– Believes that racism does not exist because she, as an AF, has never experienced it first hand, or is too dense to realize it. Besides, those Asiaphiles are so nice to her (while plotting to get into her pants.
– Gets a warm fuzzy feeling when watching The Joy Luck Club, while snuggled up to her geeky Asiaphile boyfriend.
– Believes that the only reason an Asian person would disrespect her is because they are racist.
– Has lost count of how many WM’s she’s done this month.
– The wet-dream come true for socially-handicapped Caucasian nerds who are unable to attract Caucasian women.
– Threatened and insecure in the presence of any culturally-perceptive Asian person or any AM not fitting her stereotype of the quiet , marginalized, “model minority” geek.
– Fundamentally insecure, utterly confused, lacking in self respect.
– Many aging whiggies, after being used and abandoned by WM’s in favor of younger, more nubile whiggies and being rejected by AM’s who see through their transparency, develop a bitterness towards all men, period.
– Denial of all of the above.
FACIAL EXPRESSIONS: a) Look of contempt when eyes meet those of any non-white male, converting to beaming grin upon sighting of WM victim/target; b) terminal pout or c) bimboish expression that defies deep thought.
TYPICAL ATTIRE: Anything trendy, mainstream-looking and seductive (especially if it’s black and tight). Big hair (perhaps their most valuable asset) tossed with hand every 15 seconds. Wonderbra. Fanatical whiggies have been known to undergo certain procedures such as eyelid surgery, breast augmentation and vaginal tightening operations in order to increase their marketability to WM’s. Blue contact lenses and bleached blonde hair have even been sported on occasion. Note: Attire may vary depending on the specific type of WM being targeted.
I.Q: Too low to measure.
NATURAL HABITAT:
Personal ad columns (“exotic, slim, SAF seeks successful, generous SWM”), cheerleading squads, sorority houses (role: token “oriental sisters”), T.V. newsdesks, B-grade Kung-Fu flicks, trendy nightclubs (usually found necking with aging WM’s), Chinese restaurants (slumming with the WM and demonstrating that she’s “in touch with her heritage”), anywhere else frequented by White males.
TYPICAL WHIGGIE QUIPS:
Age 10: “Mom, why do we have to be (Chinese/Japanese/Korean)? Do you have to dress like that? And what’s with Dad and his accent?
Age 12: “Mom, I want an eyelid job for Christmas, okay?
Later on…
“I’ve always only dated white guys. I don’t know why, I just have.”
“Race doesn’t matter. I just happen to like white guys. It’s just a preference.”
“We are the world, we are the children…We…”
“I’ve gone out with all kinds of guys…Dutch, English, French, German, you name it. Even went out with a Jewish guy once! After all, love is color blind.”
“Eeeew, Jennifer, how could you go out with that (insert minority group here) guy!?” Totally gross!
“Oooh Roger, you’re like soooo strong and intelligent. Did you say you drive a beemer? Kewl! (giggle).”
“I want to learn English better…you maybe teach, handsome man? Are you U.S. citizen?” (Yes FOB’s can be whiggies too!)
“Like why would I want to go out with an Asian guy? They don’t own me or anything. Uhh, and besides they are all male chauvinist …and domineering too…yeah that’s it! Didn’t you see The Joy Luck Club?”
Like, I’m dating *out* of my race, so how can I be racists?!! Duh!!
CLOSELY RELATED TO: Racists, bigots, wannabes, ho’s, chameleons, white supremacists, a fish out of water.
MEDIA REPRESENTATION/ROLE MODELS: Connie Chung, Amy Tan, Lisa Ling, Margaret Cho, Sheryl Wu Dunn, any of The Joy Luck Club protagonists (except the one who married an Asian dude).
NATURAL COUNTERPARTS: Asiaphiles…who else?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States
Western men marrying Asian women – Classic horror stories
http://www.orientexpat.com/forum/21346-western-men-marrying-asian-women-classic-horror-stories/
http://www.henrymakow.com/two_men_who_regret_marrying_fo.html
From “Brokenhearted Brit in China”
I met my Chinese wife some four years ago online. Despite her speaking no English and my Chinese being basic at the time, we seemed to hit it off. We had issues though from the very start: cultural chasms, worlds apart. The Chinese in the mainland at least, inhabit a world of expediency where it’s not a question of what is good or right or true; but rather, what one can get away with, it’s the worst kind of dog-eat-dog world but devoid of any of the civilizing values such as fairness, kindness or basic courtesy.
Everyone’s out for their own interest and devil take the hindmost. Pure unadulterated capitalism with a cruel twist. In China, there’s a saying that if you put head over the parapet someone will shoot it off; it’s a collective culture and so you’d better keep a low-profile; do mediocre work at best and so avoid being noticed, utterly at odds with Euro-American drives to excellence and competence. You can imagine the kind of fall-out that happens when such disparate cultures collide.
My wife (then my girlfriend) told me she loved me and I was suckered in by her victim sob-story of how her violent dad would throw her against walls which is why she behaves like a demented control-freak most of the time: has to have her own way, be right about everything and have an opinion about everything… Despite a professed conversion to Christianity she still behaves like a psychotic harridan most of the time but is now an expert on the Bible too to add to her list. It is truly sad that she can only feel safe when she is dominant in every conversation, every situation, bosses everyone around.
She’s massively insecure and this is just compensatory behaviour but if you think it’s no big deal you should try living with it day-in-day-out: my confidence is almost all gone since she makes demeaning comments all the time, has to in order to feel good about herself. Don’t get me started. Don’t repeat my mistake: you cannot love these people better, at least, I have failed to, but I really tried, boy did I try. I read this online yesterday and it helped me wake up a little bit, see what you think (the language is a bit rich):
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/eighteasyways.shtml
This is my wife to a tee, bar the sensitivity mentioned in point eight: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html
I realized I’d been had when she fell pregnant and aborted without even a discussion and in face of her professed love for me. ‘You’re not suitable’, was her retort. I now know this meant I didn’t have enough money.
How do I know? Easy: when I got a high-paying job suddenly she wanted to marry me. That’s when my own neediness kicked in (no living family, no friends here in China or elsewhere for that matter: ‘There is safety in having many advisers’ – Prov 7:14) and when I should have run a mile, I stayed. Now my life is a daily hell of put-downs, demeaning remarks, undermining me in front of her daughter (nine-year-old). Don’t make my mistake. “Every credibility gap has a gullibility fill” – guess who supplies it? …
Lessons? Heed the red-flags early. A man can live without trust, without love, but not without respect.
————–
Rick:
I married a girl from the Dominican Republic. The marriage came about as a result of a complicated string of events. She lived with me for 3 years prior to marriage and for me she was a soft loving person and physically attractive. Her education was basic and now that we are married she has not made any attempt to improve herself. Her written Spanish is embarrassing and she still speaks pidgeon english after more than 8 years together.
She has no understanding of finances and her expectation of me is to pay all expenses and keep her in an upper middle class existence. I have adopted her son who now I found out has an IQ in the mid 80’s and at 18 his only interest is in eating and watching movies especially cartoons.
When we go shopping she never looks at price but simply picks up what she wants. While I am busy getting groceries, she is outside picking lottery numbers or lounging in the cosmetics section. Her son is better dressed than I am and he gets whatever he wants whenever he wants it, not as a reward but out of some genetically encoded programming.
He has popcorn to watch the cartoons with and has absolutely no interests or motivation. In summer vacation he watches TV until the early hours and gets up at noon. He has no motivation to get an advanced education and it looks as though i will have a son for life…
As you can imagine intellectual stimulation does not come at the dinner table but through the internet or reading. It is like having two young children at home; her and her son.
I married not out of love but out of pity; to break off the relationship would have catapulted her back into a 3rd world lifestyle. I ended up learning a hard lesson in life. If you apply your experience, perspective and values in life, to judge how another person from another culture views life you will invariably be wrong. I felt that she would be forever grateful if I pulled her out of the gutter and graciously allowed her to live like I do.
Wrong! All of this is expected and taken for granted. I feel like a doormat. In terms of priority in our family unit, it is her son, the dogs and finally me.
My job is to be the rice bowl. I am the ATM machine to spew out $ on demand.
The argument I hear from many men is that American women are spoiled and demanding and have no respect for their husbands. My experience is that once you bring a foreign woman into an American lifestyle she will metamorphose in a nanosecond but still maintain her cultural values. In the end it is better to stay with your own culture, the culture you know. They understand and think, eat and live the way you do and in the end there are fewer unpleasant surprises. In my case, I am patient but very aware that the day will come where I will be unable to jump across the cultural abyss that divides us.
NORMAN IN CHINA- A VOICE OF EXPERIENCE
Max (“My Chinese Wife Set a Trap!”) was either very naive or so out of touch with the realities of Chinese Culture, traditional family obligations, and sexual politics. He seemingly had no idea what he was getting into when he married a Chinese woman.
He deserves what he got; as do the other western expats in China who fall in love and marry a Chinese women who later prove not live up to the ideal image of the demure subservient Asian honey.
I could write volumes about the disastrous results of relationships, marriages, and divorces of expats I’ve met here who married Chinese women.
Before I even arrived in China, I took the time to educate myself about the culture. As a result of my research, I knew I would only become involved with a Chinese woman if I knew they clearly understood marriage was never something I would consider. Once talk of meeting parents, giving money, living together, or marriage is mentioned, the relationship ends. Sometimes I have ended it; but most often it is the woman who walks away because she knows I have nothing that her culture and tradition demands I give her. That approach has served me well.
As each Laowai [greener] friend I have known here has got married, I knew they would be divorced within a two to three time span after a green card or citizenship in their home country was granted to their spouses.
Perhaps for your readers who which to learn more about relationships in China and Chinese women, I could recommend an excellent website operated and written by an Expat American Psychologist who has lived in China for many years. Gregory Mavrides, Ph.D.
aka Talkdoc to many expats in China, discusses many aspects of issues raised by recent articles on your site. His website is called Middle Kingdom Life. This page is a good entry point… http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/understanding-attraction-foreign-men-china.htm
Ha ha
You must be Asian women writing this to boost your ego.
The most common IR marriages is between Hispanic women/White men.
It’s not a big deal like AW/WM because Hispanic comes in all shades/shapes unlike
Asian women who all looks alike.
Black Women have been mixing in this country before Asian women became obsessed with dating White men. White went as far as raping Black women and created plenty of light skinned Blacks or the ones from Spanish countries who people referred as Hispanics.
It was a Black woman/White man who fought to make IR marriages legal in the U.S.
The reason you don’t see more Black women with White men in the U.S. is because majority of Black American women are not into White men.They preferred Black men but White men won’t admit that due to their ego and false superiority.
If you go to France/England/Italy you will find plenty of attractive European men who are with African or Caribbean Black women.
Lol,I had a German guy who told in Germany the type of White men go to Asia for Wives are considered losers by Germans.
Lol,before the Internet We didn’t hear these type of praise for Asian women,so one must wonder if Asian women are behind this.
Men who ordered mail order brides used to ashamed about it and it was done in secret.
If White men thought Asian women were so beautiful,how come the Blond haired/Blue eyes White women is still the epitome of Beauty in Wester society?
The reality is majority of White men who are dating Asian women are Jewish
usually nerds, fat,bald ,old White men who are bitter towards White women.
If these White men were so happy with their Asian dolls why do they need to put White women down,shouldn’t they be happy with these women and forget about White women?
I’ll tell you why? because majority of these men feels like they are settling for something less and they are not happy about it.
Asian women knows that,so this is why most of them can jealous,cold,nasty and bitter towards White women.
Most White men don’t give a genuine ,respectful reasons for dating Asian women.
These are the reasons giving
They are submissive,will do anything in the bedroom,cook,clean,etc…they don’t argue ,treat their men like kings blah blah.
Why these losers are not saying is that majority of these women only played the stereotypes before that ring slip in their fingers and pop couple ugly happa babies.
lol,that’s when the crazy dragon lady comes out and these marriages have a high divorce rates.
These losers don’t talk about how they got played/used by these Asian hookers.
I guess they have to protect their fragile egos and suffered in silence.
It’s also mentioned that many of these Asian broads sometimes get abused their White gods because when they don’t like a servant ,the men gets mad.
Yes you will find some marriages between WM/AW who’s not like that but majority end up in divorce.
It’s not uncommon to meet Asian women with White fever who have been married more than 2 times because of divorces from their White knights.
Asian women wants to compete with White women but White men will never see you equal to a White woman because their superiority complex won’t allowed it.
It’s also well know these men cheats on their Asian brides left and right but Asian women will put up with it to save face/humiliation.
This is was an interesting facts about IR marriages in the U.S.
Asian women/White men have a hight divorce rates
Black men /White women have a high divorce rates
What these both groups have in common? because a lot of these relations are based on superficial reasons and stupid stereotypes .
Black women / White men
Asian men /White men
These relationships last longer even tho they are not too common in the U.S.
So please Asian women when your bragging pretending to be White men who worshipped Asian women,please talk about the high divorce rates of these UNIONS in the U.S. and also in Asia(China).
From “Brokenhearted Brit in China”
I met my Chinese wife some four years ago online. Despite her speaking no English and my Chinese being basic at the time, we seemed to hit it off. We had issues though from the very start: cultural chasms, worlds apart. The Chinese in the mainland at least, inhabit a world of expediency where it’s not a question of what is good or right or true; but rather, what one can get away with, it’s the worst kind of dog-eat-dog world but devoid of any of the civilizing values such as fairness, kindness or basic courtesy.
Everyone’s out for their own interest and devil take the hindmost. Pure unadulterated capitalism with a cruel twist. In China, there’s a saying that if you put head over the parapet someone will shoot it off; it’s a collective culture and so you’d better keep a low-profile; do mediocre work at best and so avoid being noticed, utterly at odds with Euro-American drives to excellence and competence. You can imagine the kind of fall-out that happens when such disparate cultures collide.
My wife (then my girlfriend) told me she loved me and I was suckered in by her victim sob-story of how her violent dad would throw her against walls which is why she behaves like a demented control-freak most of the time: has to have her own way, be right about everything and have an opinion about everything… Despite a professed conversion to Christianity she still behaves like a psychotic harridan most of the time but is now an expert on the Bible too to add to her list. It is truly sad that she can only feel safe when she is dominant in every conversation, every situation, bosses everyone around.
She’s massively insecure and this is just compensatory behaviour but if you think it’s no big deal you should try living with it day-in-day-out: my confidence is almost all gone since she makes demeaning comments all the time, has to in order to feel good about herself. Don’t get me started. Don’t repeat my mistake: you cannot love these people better, at least, I have failed to, but I really tried, boy did I try. I read this online yesterday and it helped me wake up a little bit, see what you think (the language is a bit rich):
http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/manipulator/eighteasyways.shtml
This is my wife to a tee, bar the sensitivity mentioned in point eight: http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html
I realized I’d been had when she fell pregnant and aborted without even a discussion and in face of her professed love for me. ‘You’re not suitable’, was her retort. I now know this meant I didn’t have enough money.
How do I know? Easy: when I got a high-paying job suddenly she wanted to marry me. That’s when my own neediness kicked in (no living family, no friends here in China or elsewhere for that matter: ‘There is safety in having many advisers’ – Prov 7:14) and when I should have run a mile, I stayed. Now my life is a daily hell of put-downs, demeaning remarks, undermining me in front of her daughter (nine-year-old). Don’t make my mistake. “Every credibility gap has a gullibility fill” – guess who supplies it? …
Lessons? Heed the red-flags early. A man can live without trust, without love, but not without respect.
————–
Rick:
I married a girl from the Dominican Republic. The marriage came about as a result of a complicated string of events. She lived with me for 3 years prior to marriage and for me she was a soft loving person and physically attractive. Her education was basic and now that we are married she has not made any attempt to improve herself. Her written Spanish is embarrassing and she still speaks pidgeon english after more than 8 years together.
She has no understanding of finances and her expectation of me is to pay all expenses and keep her in an upper middle class existence. I have adopted her son who now I found out has an IQ in the mid 80’s and at 18 his only interest is in eating and watching movies especially cartoons.
When we go shopping she never looks at price but simply picks up what she wants. While I am busy getting groceries, she is outside picking lottery numbers or lounging in the cosmetics section. Her son is better dressed than I am and he gets whatever he wants whenever he wants it, not as a reward but out of some genetically encoded programming.
He has popcorn to watch the cartoons with and has absolutely no interests or motivation. In summer vacation he watches TV until the early hours and gets up at noon. He has no motivation to get an advanced education and it looks as though i will have a son for life…
As you can imagine intellectual stimulation does not come at the dinner table but through the internet or reading. It is like having two young children at home; her and her son.
I married not out of love but out of pity; to break off the relationship would have catapulted her back into a 3rd world lifestyle. I ended up learning a hard lesson in life. If you apply your experience, perspective and values in life, to judge how another person from another culture views life you will invariably be wrong. I felt that she would be forever grateful if I pulled her out of the gutter and graciously allowed her to live like I do.
Wrong! All of this is expected and taken for granted. I feel like a doormat. In terms of priority in our family unit, it is her son, the dogs and finally me.
My job is to be the rice bowl. I am the ATM machine to spew out $ on demand.
The argument I hear from many men is that American women are spoiled and demanding and have no respect for their husbands. My experience is that once you bring a foreign woman into an American lifestyle she will metamorphose in a nanosecond but still maintain her cultural values. In the end it is better to stay with your own culture, the culture you know. They understand and think, eat and live the way you do and in the end there are fewer unpleasant surprises. In my case, I am patient but very aware that the day will come where I will be unable to jump across the cultural abyss that divides us.
NORMAN IN CHINA- A VOICE OF EXPERIENCE
Max (“My Chinese Wife Set a Trap!”) was either very naive or so out of touch with the realities of Chinese Culture, traditional family obligations, and sexual politics. He seemingly had no idea what he was getting into when he married a Chinese woman.
He deserves what he got; as do the other western expats in China who fall in love and marry a Chinese women who later prove not live up to the ideal image of the demure subservient Asian honey.
I could write volumes about the disastrous results of relationships, marriages, and divorces of expats I’ve met here who married Chinese women.
Before I even arrived in China, I took the time to educate myself about the culture. As a result of my research, I knew I would only become involved with a Chinese woman if I knew they clearly understood marriage was never something I would consider. Once talk of meeting parents, giving money, living together, or marriage is mentioned, the relationship ends. Sometimes I have ended it; but most often it is the woman who walks away because she knows I have nothing that her culture and tradition demands I give her. That approach has served me well.
As each Laowai [greener] friend I have known here has got married, I knew they would be divorced within a two to three time span after a green card or citizenship in their home country was granted to their spouses.
Perhaps for your readers who which to learn more about relationships in China and Chinese women, I could recommend an excellent website operated and written by an Expat American Psychologist who has lived in China for many years. Gregory Mavrides, Ph.D.
aka Talkdoc to many expats in China, discusses many aspects of issues raised by recent articles on your site. His website is called Middle Kingdom Life. This page is a good entry point… http://middlekingdomlife.com/guide/understanding-attraction-foreign-men-china.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_fetish
Columbia study on racial preferences in dating
In 2007 economist Ray Fisman, in a two-year study he co-authored on dating preferences among Columbia University students, did not find evidence of a general preference among white men for Asian women. Furthermore, the study found that there is a significantly higher pairing of white men with East Asian women simply because East Asian women discriminate racially against Black and Hispanic/Latino men. As quoted on Slate.com,[14] and also reported in The Washington Post and the Review of Economic Studies (a publication of the London School of Economics):
“ We found no evidence of the stereotype of a white male preference for East Asian women. However, we also found that East Asian women did not discriminate against white men (only against black and Hispanic men). As a result, the white man-Asian woman pairing was the most common form of interracial dating—but because of the women’s neutrality, not the men’s pronounced preference. Men don’t seem to discriminate based on race when it comes to dating. A woman’s race had no effect on the men’s choices. ”
The study was carried out over two years and was conducted by economists Ray Fisman (lead researcher from Columbia University) and Emir Kamenica (University of Chicago), as well as psychologists Sheena Iyengar (Columbia University) and Itamar Simonson (Stanford University). They took data from “thousands of decisions made by more than 400 daters from Columbia University’s various graduate and professional schools.”[14]
Ha ha
You must be Asian women writing this to boost your ego.
The most common IR marriages is between Hispanic women/White men.
It’s not a big deal like AW/WM because Hispanic comes in all shades/shapes unlike
Asian women who all looks alike.
Black Women have been mixing in this country before Asian women became obsessed with dating White men. White went as far as raping Black women and created plenty of light skinned Blacks or the ones from Spanish countries who people referred as Hispanics.
It was a Black woman/White man who fought to make IR marriages legal in the U.S.
The reason you don’t see more Black women with White men in the U.S. is because majority of Black American women are not into White men.They preferred Black men but White men won’t admit that due to their ego and false superiority.
If you go to France/England/Italy you will find plenty of attractive European men who are with African or Caribbean Black women.
Lol,I had a German guy who told in Germany the type of White men go to Asia for Wives are considered losers by Germans.
Lol,before the Internet We didn’t hear these type of praise for Asian women,so one must wonder if Asian women are behind this.
Men who ordered mail order brides used to ashamed about it and it was done in secret.
If White men thought Asian women were so beautiful,how come the Blond haired/Blue eyes White women is still the epitome of Beauty in Wester society?
The reality is majority of White men who are dating Asian women are Jewish
usually nerds, fat,bald ,old White men who are bitter towards White women.
If these White men were so happy with their Asian dolls why do they need to put White women down,shouldn’t they be happy with these women and forget about White women?
I’ll tell you why? because majority of these men feels like they are settling for something less and they are not happy about it.
Asian women knows that,so this is why most of them can jealous,cold,nasty and bitter towards White women.
Most White men don’t give a genuine ,respectful reasons for dating Asian women.
These are the reasons giving
They are submissive,will do anything in the bedroom,cook,clean,etc…they don’t argue ,treat their men like kings blah blah.
Why these losers are not saying is that majority of these women only played the stereotypes before that ring slip in their fingers and pop couple ugly happa babies.
lol,that’s when the crazy dragon lady comes out and these marriages have a high divorce rates.
These losers don’t talk about how they got played/used by these Asian hookers.
I guess they have to protect their fragile egos and suffered in silence.
It’s also mentioned that many of these Asian broads sometimes get abused their White gods because when they don’t like a servant ,the men gets mad.
Yes you will find some marriages between WM/AW who’s not like that but majority end up in divorce.
It’s not uncommon to meet Asian women with White fever who have been married more than 2 times because of divorces from their White knights.
Asian women wants to compete with White women but White men will never see you equal to a White woman because their superiority complex won’t allowed it.
It’s also well know these men cheats on their Asian brides left and right but Asian women will put up with it to save face/humiliation.
This is was an interesting facts about IR marriages in the U.S.
Asian women/White men have a hight divorce rates
Black men /White women have a high divorce rates
What these both groups have in common? because a lot of these relations are based on superficial reasons and stupid stereotypes .
Black women / White men
Asian men /White men
These relationships last longer even tho they are not too common in the U.S.
So please Asian women when your bragging pretending to be White men who worshipped Asian women,please talk about the high divorce rates of these UNIONS in the U.S. and also in Asia(China).
This is good. I will print it off and take it to the coffee shop where I witnessed most of these interactions yesterday. And yes, the AF was wearing daisy dukes, sunglasses on the top of her head, playing with her hair every 15 seconds, low cut tight black top and even smiled at me (an old white guy). Made my day and the coffee was good, but the poor Med Students she was with….like lambs surrounded by a circling wolf.
“I like Asian women for purely physical reasons. It is not shallow…”
The “Mage” has spoken. Even if it happens to be in a hypocritical, sexually perverted way. LMAO. Typical yellow-fevered cracker. Hey “Mage,” go back to your Sailor Moon anime and jacking off to Internet porn. LOL…
Lay off the haterade, you racist piece of white trash.
Look, it’s obvious that you’re the biggest Asian fetishist ever, but your trolling – and I’ve seen multiple examples on this article alone – just makes you look like you’re even more of a f*ckup than you already are.
Calling women cunts? You redneck misogynist.
It’s not that she’s a slut. It’s that you’re a loser who can’t get with white girls. Just admit it.
And if you’re ‘sick of Asain [sic] supremacists’… why do you still try so hard to get with Asian girls? Haha… EPIC FAIL.
Now go back to your pokemon playing cards and yellow fever fantasizing.
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To all the women who think Asian men never cheat…you are a bit far from the truth:
http://www.8asians.com/2011/12/14/south-korean-men-2nd-most-unfaithful-in-world/
That is extremley ignorant and obnoxious of you to say. You mam are a bitch. Asian males with white females have the second highest divorce rate after black men with white women. Asian females and black females with white men have lower divorce rates.
ROFL i love this. you need to organize it better though its so confusing to read. but i want to do what anonymous 1 said and print out copies of it and leave it for places with high concentration of WM/AF relationships…(ie: my college)
To all Asian men…
KEEP CRYING WHILE I SCREW YOUR WOMEN HAHA!!
She’ll be holding up that American flag for me
Bang Chow! Spread it around
Keep dreaming while i f*** all your white women in the ass
She would be bragging about how big my asian sausage with spices..
“She’ll be holding up that American flag for me”…………..asians can be americans too
You got it wrong. only Asian women can be Americans since they give themselves to American men HAHA!!!
Asian men can’t, white women don’t want them, asian women don’t want them. Stick to being kung fu masters, pro video gamers, boba drinking, pokemon playing losers. Maybe one day you’ll find some animal that falls for your ugly ass. But as far as asian women, they belong to us, sorry but thats their choice, they prefer us.
Why do you think every asian women on this forum defends the white male and not the asian male?…………….YEA EXACTLY…ROFL!
Why do I try to get with Asian girls? Simple answer and best answer I have, bitch: Because I can.
Misogynist? Thank you. I am honored to be recognized.
*Bows*
Lol:
http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/average-penis-size-world-map-chinese-netizen-reactions.html
I am an asian girl, im here to represent. we are hott. white guys like us, latino guys like us, black guys like us, even asian guys like us. and my page will furth prove this http://fiverr.com/soupstock/send-you-20-cutesexy-self-taken-photos
I want to bring up the hypocrisy of putting the label of “asiaphile” on a white guy.
First off, the majority of assholes (males) who do this are Asian men who are with white women. The majority of cunts (women) that do this are Asian women working with the assholes.
The people who use this label are usually working with some Asian supremacy group. The men of these groups are always going out to clubs, getting drunk, and then having one night stands with white women.
So, to the people that say that white men who date Asian women are so uber horrible: Where are your amazing, wonderful, flawless Asian men now? He is going to fuck you while you are drunk and dump you.
This explains a lot”………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63bWYFGBTuE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
And folks this is why religious and atheist alike is bad to support. Just kill off the white race so we can have better races to live with. They kiss up to blacks and give us bad treatment after colonization.
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You got it wrong. only Asian women can be Americans since they give themselves to American men HAHA!!!
Goddamn. You sure take a long time to say so little. Try to cut to the point so I don’t have to scroll through your “throught clearing” and insecure explanations.
So, asian girls and white guys. Why does this happen so often? I worked in a restaurant for 5 years in the east SF bay area and I’ve seen it countless times (not just white guys, black and latino men as well). Some of us just think they’re cute that that’s that. Some of us sense a difference in cultural belief and are attracted to that as well. Even americanized asian woman are often different from our many of our disrespectful, over-controlling, and selfish white women. You know, white women who think they are the most desirable and that their pu**ies are plated in solid gold. Sometimes I even think there may be a genetic element that affects these differences in behavior. This is pure theory and it’s likely that psychological differences are cultural in mentality or perhaps the lack thereof in most of our pathetic (soon to be very lonely and middle aged with pets for company) white women.
Like I said, exceptions to the rule are obviously on both sides. I have indeed met asian woman who have “caught on” to that fact that white guys are after them and are beginning to act much like our brain dead “native” girls. The second I sense that americanized, unintelligent, valley girl bullsh*t, I am instantly turned off. I actually think it’s rare that men have some mentally disturbed asian fetish and there are real explainations as to why this is happening. Perhaps I’ve even explained them.
I understand that white men like our girls a lot. I believe it’s because Asian girls are often far more feminine and suitable than white girls. And perhaps it’s because white men see that Asian girls are somewhat submissive, so it’s much easier for them to lead the girls instead (something white girls really lack). But the reasons why Asian parents tend to not let their kids date outside their race is because non-Asians often don’t know our customs and the ways we do things; sure, we don’t like mixing with others, especially non-asians because we sate differently and are far more serious than white people do when it comes to dating. It’s very common for a white men or women to have well over 10+ ex’s or dating partners before settling down either to marriage or to be with the “right” one; this is something that disgusts most Asians’ ways of seeing dating, if not highly frowned on by Koreans or Asians.
I’m very proud of the Korean customs in which I grew up in. But it bothers me how some white dudes would go to South Korea or other Asian countries and not play by the rules and they often end up messing with Korean girls. I guess what really pisses us off is that they aren’t serious with the korean girls and often jump around a lot, not to mention how they like to hit up girls at the bar and such. You white men think it’s cool but in doing that you really upsets us Asian men and korean people alike; it’s like having black dudes screwing your girls and then leave them and screw with some more white girls while messing up the girls’ chance to be with a good potential mate. And as mentioned before, do you know that once a girl in most Asian culture is seen or known to have slept with a man (especially with player white boys) these girls are really going to be looked down upon?? Not a big deal, you may think but our culture is not like yours where cheating and sleeping with people on one stands and jumping from people to people is normal; that’s so animal-like behavior and that’s why we don’t like the idea of you dating our girls. Nothing is wrong with that, and it’s only for the own goods of our girls and yourself as well. It’s not like Asian parents would openly accept white dating their kids, anyway. We can work together but let’s not hurt each other’s feelings via dating one another’s girls. And I see that white men have the most to work on this.
…kind of like reading a Chapter from Gran Torino!
Asian dudes do the same thing, where they have one night stands with white women and brag about it to their buddies. I guess there is nothing wrong with an asian guy doing it?
people are not born being attracted to a certain race. You may be right in feeling that you do not have choice in what type of girls you are attracted to but this so called “lack of choice” is a direct result of sexualized media images of asian women in american society. You weren’t born that way, you were conditioned. It’s important to be aware of the huge and long-lasting effects media images impose on us as children and young adults to the point where our conditioning is hard to reverse. To the girl who thinks she is lucky being asian because all different types of men are attracted to you, you display the sad reality of how asian american women have internalized these stereotypes. the fact that you have a webpage of self taken photos that probably objectify yourself as a sexual being just reinforces the generalization that all asian women are sexual and submissive to male domination. This is coming from a fellow asian female who has been sexually objectified throughout all my life since becoming a young girl and who struggles to find a guy who can see me as an individual rather than a sexualized stereotype
Talk to some Asian guys.
Look up JT Tran, or go to modelminority.com or yellowworld.org
Anyone who listens to this woman is a retard.
…”korean and Asian girls”. Did I just learn something? Why aren’t koreans considered in the larger Asian pot?
I never once heard such thing that Asian men wanting to have one night with white girls and brag it to their friends. Maybe true to some extent, but the vast majority of Asian men (except those ghetto Asians) are serious about dating and we take dating very serious, let alone the fact we try not hurt white men’s feelings by not dating their girls in most cases. I only see white and blacks and non-Asians chasing after korean and Asian girls. It’s typical among Caucasians I know that!
Not necessarily as this particular topic seems to have attracted an abundance of XY chromosone input so a little XX in the mix is refreshing and we need that op ed iput. Her perspective is something a guy can never put forward.
Are you shitting me? All the Chinamen bragging about “hoo hoo hoo white girly sucky me chinese dicky” and you have never seen them? Or those korean guys that use white girls for one night sex? I dont really know about japanese guys, but Chinese guys are evil, and Koreans are just amoral
Those Asian guys are likely not Korean, Chinese or Japanese or some respectable people but probably losers that’s why they’re not serious about dating. The vast majority of Asian men I know aren’t like that.
I understand tha it may be hard for you non-Asian people to understand the point in which I’m trying to make here. But let me just say that I even had some white male friends in the past where they told me on several occassions that they “need to fuck an Asian girl,” ad if that would make them while. Upon hearing that a couple times I lost respect for white boys in how they view girls as love objects just for the moment. They simply don’t know our ways of dating an how it works and such. Go back read my previous post posted on dec 10 if you would.
– Yong
I’m very proud of the Korean customs in which I grew up in
WHOAAA!!! I’m a 51yr old white dude. I grew up in SoCal and when I started noticing the opposite sex who was around me? Asians, Mexicans, and White Girls with dark brown hair. So who am I attacted to? What do I find attractive? Asians, Mexicans, and White Women with dark hair. I’m not attracted to blondes, or African American Women. Are they attractive, yes. Am I attacted to them? no. I’m also into family, and taking care of my elders. So yes, there are A LOT of creepy old white dudes but give Asian Women some credit – maybe – the guy is falling in love with the person, not the race. And how about the not thinking of the racist thought that “Every Asian Woman is only with a white guy for citizenship”. Maybe both people have something real to offer the other.
In our age when inter-racial reationships are more acceptable, the dynamics of sexual attraction between males and females go down to the simple and basic. The males are attracted to the most feminine ones(thus, Asian women, preceived to be most feminine seem to be the most desired or popular among men these days) while rejecting the least feminine ones(black women have the highest percentage of singlehood in US. Heck, even black men seem to find them less attractive and many black men marry outside their race). And this applies to males too- the biologically least masculine(i.e. Asian males) doesnt seem to attract even many women of their own race(a study shows 36% of Asian women date or marry non Asian men.. and only 9% of black women get success to attract outside their race.)Asian men, in many cases, get to have breakthroughs using their academic and intellectual appeals to make up for their lack of masculinity that white nd black men have over them.
Though many people would deny this, just look at statistics or observe around to realize this.heck, in my Asina family, 4 of my female cousins are dating white men, and all the male cousins can only date wity fellow Asuans in their social groups. Conincidence? Nope…Asian women are simply popular among men of all races because of the “femininity”… while Asian men, inferior in masculinity appeal, dont get to have attractibility success. That sinple.. the same explanation why back.men are popular and black women are mostly single.
Hi: I think from reading this, you are an Asian male? Well, I am a Caucasian female — beautiful with somewhat Eurasian features being Russian and all. And I want to ask you Asian men something(if indeed you are an Asian male). Does it not anger you that white men are stealing all your women?
Well, let me tell you guys something. We as white women are your allies. Many white women are very angry that your women are stealing our men!! Just like I know how black women must feel if they see so many white women stealing their men. It’s okay on a relative basis. But especially with Asian women and white men, I hate those bitches — and I AM considered a beautiful white women with sensuous curves, etc. I do see a horrible number of white women — I mean intentionally making themselves fat, ugly, full of tatooes (spelling), etc. But on the other hand, I see so many beautiful ones that want to be with their own men but their men are being stolen by your Asian whores. And how does that make you feel? Don’t you as Asian men feel wholly inferior that you can’t combat this, too?
Perhaps an idea would be for some wonderful Asian man to help white women — become our allies — and teach us how to “be more feminine and beautiful like Asian women” so we can get our own men back, too. I mean, don’t you think white women honestly want that? I personally hate these Asian whores that are stealing our good men, and I think other beautiful white women that witness the same thing should hate them too, just as beautiful black women should hate us white bitches for taking their good men. If it is a sometime thing, okay, fine. If it is common practice, it hurts. It hurts the men and the women.
So, white men, go to hell. And Asian whores, go to hell. And white women, wake up, bitches. Get beautiful, stop being so fat and unattractive. Fix your hair, put on feminine make up with large lips and be the beautiful maiden creatures that you are. Get our men back to us. Screw you Asian whores. We’ll get our men back finally. Wait and see!!
And as for you Asian men, you are not impotent and feminine. Fight for your rights to date Asian women, too. And you can help us also.
Please post this. White women, Asian men are angry, and that’s totally understandable. We are both watching our races being decimated and our men/women being stolen from us!!
You are actually an idiot. No race ‘belongs’ to each other and get ‘stolen’. People are free to make their own choices. No one is going to, nor needs to listen to your jealous ramble and insecurities about your own looks – so just watch as the world’s races keep dating each other while you sit in a puddle of closed-minded jealousy :).
There’s nothing more unattractive than a girl who sits on her bottom and bitches about other people’s business.
Easy score and they prefer small dick white guys with a decent bank account. Also white guys love the idea of dominating Asians it used to be indian chicks before that latino women and obviously African American women. This is the new trend for white guys in hopes to take all Asian women in as new house/fuck slaves it is pure lust and conquest. The main excuse for rescuing Asians from china is just another way to get them in line so they can throw away their culture to become white or prepped for a white guy look at all other old trends like this and figure it out.
I like Asian girls because of appearance. I like that way that the almond eyes, flatter nose and black hair all go together. Any person who brings up “subconscious stereotyping” is a moron because I dont really watch TV unless “being human” is on. I will date white women, black women, and latinas, but Asian women are my preference.
Anyways, to the people that dislike me for things I cannot control: I dont give a fuck if you hate me, but stay out of my way. If im with an Asian girl and you run up to her calling her a slut and preaching about how all women of every race should date Asian men, I know how to fight, and I am not afraid to put a gash in your forehead. If you know an Asian girl that I like, and tell her not to date me and tell lies that I am “subconsciously racist” I know how to fight, and im not afraid to put a gash in your forehead.
Just like all the other so called “asiaphiles” and all the asian girls that like white guys, I am sick of Asain supremacists making my love life difficult. I know for a fact that right after an Asian guy attacks an Asian girl/white guy couple, he goes for a one night drunken fling with a white woman. I cant wait to one day find one of these hypocrites who has contracted STD’s, so I can tell him “herpes is a bitch, aint it?”
I agree, I like Asian girls also….but just wondering about all the references to “gash in the forehead”? Do Asian girls like this?
Attention Gentlemen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxPdaZwcURc
Above is a link to a video that Asians everywhere are bragging about. There is no clear story on what happened, but dont let the title deceive you (and this is me talking to my fellow white men). The title states that the white boys were being disrespectful, but to a lot of Asians, white guys are being disrespectful if we dare to walk on “their turf” and/or talk to “their women.” Asians are growing by the number in America each day, and with the huge wave of Asians coming here will also come more and more fights like this. Do you really want Asians dictating your life? Where you walk? Who you talk to?
Listen, my fellow white men: certain Asians are developing a chip on their shoulder all because of China, and now think that they are unbeatable tough guys just because they had 26 other asians backing them. If they are the future, we have to be hard.
Start today. Go jogging, swimming, or some kind of cardio. If you can afford a gym membership, go 6 days a weak and NO EXCUSES you fat fuck. If you cant afford a gym membership, do exercises at home, the usual push ups and situps and various other ab exercises, find a playground and do pull ups on the monkey bars, go up to a park bench and put your legs over the back support and let your upper body fall then go back up and work your abs this way. Take an MMA class if you can or copy what you see on TV of the real MMA fights (not fucking WWE. That shits for trailer trash.) I think that even at your local book store a person can find books on fighting moves. Do some shadowboxing and keep fighting on your mind. Eat healthy food to keep yourself energetic.
Get a weapon for self defense. If you can get a permit for a gun thats all cool but its easier to get a knife. If you get jumped by several armed Asian thugs, stab a few times and they will probably run away, the cunts. ALWAYS stay alert and always be expecting an attack of this kind when traveling through areas with dense asian populations.
Now one more thing: Retaliation.
This part is for the Asians. Dont be too proud of a fight like this. I am sure a pack of white thugs will be doing the same thing to Asians in response to this video any time now. We will see who is “hard” then.
This post is funny…..and disturbing. Where is Chuck Norris when you need him?? Ha ha
Make love, not war……
Not sure, but I like putting a gash in the forhead of anyone who fucks with me or other dudes like me.
You go and punch them tiger ! :))
I absolutely agree with what you said !
I’m an Asian girl. Now, that’s what all Asian (and other races as well) women wants to hear! A guy who would stand up for his woman and does not feel shy to show her off in public =)
Excellent! I can do it. Now can I have the opportunity of a date?
I”n order to break this cycle we need to cut in between these two groups of people and work on each of them in message boards and forums.
We can post as YTs and say “man I always get rejected by AFs who only want to get with Asian guys, plus they say that I am inadequite and not a good lover, plus they have loose vaginas.”
That way YTs will lose interest in AFs.
Then we post as AFs to other AFs and say “man, white guys are lousy lovers and don’t even go down on us, thinking that their dick is sufficient to please us. AMs are much better lovers and really take their time to please a woman.”
If we can get this message out it will be better for all of us AMs.
I hope you guys are ready for the battle ahead of us.”
Alright, now if you guys dont already know:
AM= Asian Male
AF= Asian Female
YT= White dude (If you dont get it, say “YT” three times fast.)
Anyways, the point is that a lot of Asian guys on the internet post comments pretending to be white dudes. Their goal is to make us unattractive. Obviously they have failed miserably and I am still laughing at how they posted this on their website and didnt think people would fin out about their plan.
um…to the guy who posted the youtube link…what the fuck is wrong with you?
What link?
Umm.
Asian girls: Don’t get too excited over white guys, they get bored fast and arent respectful, you will eventually find him in a stripclub when he claims he is working overtime. if your an AF dating a WM for over a year, im about 90% sure he has already cheated. 99% if dating for over 2 years. Sneaky boys
and
White guys: Don’t get too excited, Asian women are huge goldiggers and status seekers. Theyre not really attracted to you they just want to use your bank account, ever heard of mail order brides? LOL!!! And theyll make extra money fucking their boss, wonder how she got that raise. And most bosses are what? rich white males.
You know what? Nobody has to respond to this in an intelligent manner. Hell, you can go ahead and ignore this important point if you want, but I am going to leave this here anyways.
What I understand of asiaphilia, and other peoples understanding of it, is that many say its stereotypes slipping into the white dudes subconscious. They say this kind of science, social science, can be validated by simply asking people questions. Long story short, they went around doing surveys on guys ho liked asian girls, and most said something about a stereotype. Obviously, to them this means that the minority ho gave different answers should be ignored, and one should assume this guy knows nothing about themself.
So my question to the “Asian empowerment movement” is:
This is the case basically in a nut shell…right?
This whole Asian fetish thing creeps me out a little bit. I’m an Asian girl. Yes I do like white guys but I don’t ONLY go for white guys. I learned to see the beauty in all races (including FELLOW ASIANS). The reasons that some people say why they ONLY go for Asian girls is soo…ugh I can’t even begin to describe it. It annoys me even more when other Asian girls announce to the whole world that they ONLY date white guys and then bash Asian guys. NO!! STFU.
But in the end, most people will date only within their race. That’s how it’s gonna be for a long time.
Yet you encourage asian men to go for white girls cause they are white.
I do agree that Asian fetishes are seen as offensive to many Asian women. Why? Because it makes Asian women feel as if you have a nasty obsession with just their looks, not their personalities. BUT what people keep doing is that they make misconceptions between the definition of a “Fetish” & the nature of usually dating Asian women, because you find them simply more attractive.
Dictionary.com defines “Fetish” as:
An abnormally obsessive preoccupation or attachment; a fixation.
Finding feet attractive wouldn’t necessarily be considered a fetish, unless you do become so obsessed that you absolutely NEED to touch/see feet in order to become aroused.
By the statement, being white & finding Asian women more attractive than the average white female does NOT make it a fetish…
Moving on to my opinion on Asian female/white male couples:
Many people hate Asian female & white male couples because they have been brainwashed by stereotypes, they are no different then all those people who believe that all blacks are illiterate or robbers. That explanation sounds a bit cliche, but it’s the stone-cold truth. It’s not because that all Asian females are gold diggers or white worshippers, or white males abusive or neglectful. Those are just brainless stereotypes created by racists who deny being obvious racists & try to justify everything. They say that Asians worship the Caucasians, which is suppose to be the “reason why Asian female & white couples are so common.” If that were true, why do Asian male & white female couples seem so rare these days? If you really believe that it’s because Asian men are just smarter than Asian females, which would also make you a sexist, you must be very desperate.
As a Chinese female who was raised in a Chinese family & who has also dated white men before, my parents have never tried to force me into dating white men, just to “get rich or go up classes”. They honestly do not give 2 craps if I date a black guy. All they are concerned about is how he will treat me & our future family. That is just yet another poor excuse to hate on Asian women. Yes, there is no denying that there are some Asian families who force their sons & daughters to date whites or just within their own race. But don’t go out trying to poison the stupid minds of other uneducated people by saying that Asian parents force their children to date white men, when you probably aren’t even Asian in the first place, or haven’t even MET an Asian family before. I know many other Asian families & I will tell you the truth that they are NOT like that at all.
I have dated African American men, Hispanic men, Asian men, Indian men, etc. & it was a great experience for me. All races have attractive people.
as an asian girl.idk why i have the fetish of white guy. well its not that bad. i mean i dont chase white giy for money or anything. i only love white guy cuz for me they look better in things. if theres any chance for me to date one of white guy it means i have to do something to see him. not him to do something to take me with him. i can afford my self to do anythibg as i work and make my own money. i wont even ask him to pay anything for my family. my family my responsibility. the only thing that he should do is to just keep me happy. i dont care if they would cheat on me. cuz for me once i trust him.then i will trust him for the rest of my life. i have ex.he is an american and he decided to leave me cuz he found other girl. its upseting me as i stay for him and do thing he wanted me to do but having sex with him (well ill stay virgin till im sur he will marry me) then just left me here. im okay with that. alot of white guy cant be fate on girl. guys are easly distracted by sexy girl around.with skirt with tank top. its a usual thing that guys are like that. again as an asian im proud and so respectful to everyone.
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I am a Filipina-Canadian woman. I hate categories like “Asian” or “White” because race is completely arbitrary. How about South Asians (India)? West Asians (middle-eastern)? Central Asians (Kazaks, Uzbeks, etc.)? These people are also all Asians, since they are from the continent of Asia!
I myself like lots of men from different cultures and colours, Black, Latino, European, Indian, Middle-Eastern, etc. I am proud of my Filipina roots, but I also believe that people are always mixing and creating new cultures. I find that people who exclusively date others from only one ethno-cultural or racial group close themselves from the rest of society. Che!
I can’t believe preconception of Korean women have tighter vaginas as a stereotype has not been mentioned. As obnoxious and disgusting as it may sound that is common statement I hear as a Korean American.
If we’re going to go through stereotypes of Korean women this blog is bullshit when it comes to Korean women who grew up in Korea. One of the common goals of international Korean students is to get hooked up with a different ethnic background. Since you mention you live in NYC probably noticed huge amount of Koreans visiting or studying here.
Koreans in average are impatient and quickly judge by other appearance. Very few fellow Koreans would disagree with me on this. We probably enjoy materialistic things more than the average humans. We rarely give up quality over bargain not only because we tend to be materialist, it ends up being a better investment in the long run. Koreans are also very physical people.
I am also surprised after all those words you typed you failed to mention appearance. Koreans usually have more distinctive bone structure compared to other east asians. You could have easily brought up scientific reasons of physically attraction if you didn’t want to sound shallow. People can tend to be ignorant and judge you negatively based on your preference but humans are attracted to certain things or people because our brains are wired that way. Physical attraction is the primary basic attraction because we see before we touch or get to know someone or something.
We should all know at a certain point of our lives that physical attraction itself isn’t the key ingredient to a long happy relationship. If you still think that you’re either mentally ill or need to grow up. Unfortunately, for the majority of us, physical attraction will be the initial and primary attraction to the opposite sex for a long time.
I also want to mention that if you really prefer Korean women that much why don’t you make male Asian friends? These questions could have been easily answered by Asian friends and your misconception about Asian women not attracted to white men could have been proven wrong.
Also can men and women can just be friends? It is possible but living NYC meeting so many different people everyday? Yeah sure…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lh5fR4DMA
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/men-and-women-cant-be-just-friends/
well if any of those stereotype dont apply anything in you,then i will say,youve got no taste and class LOL
The most annoying part of dating white boys is the constant starring you get. You can be born in the US or Europe, but will still be regarded as “friends with benefits”. The idea that an Asian girl just wants to date a white guy because she wants to ..
I don’t get this with black guys though – lol
Chloe
I’m a beautiful black woman who thinks your comment about us is hilarious! Why will we be jealous that white women date black guys? Lol they treat you girls like crap and leave you with kids and don’t take care off. You are taking the good ones? Lol most white woman/Blackman relationships is with a worthless black man. Black men will sleep with anyone and have zero standards so don’t feel special sweetie. When Asian girls date white men, they treat them like queens. When white women date black men they are treated like crap and pay for everything. Fact! Everyone knows this! You have everything to loose with Asian women stealing your men and we have nothing to loose….lol
As a caucasian male I prefer my own race and I’m not in to mixing with non white females. I know this is true with all races to a degree who want to marry their own and then you get the people who don’t care about their heritage and will mix with whoever.
If there is real love happening then fine but if your doing it because others do it or you think somehow an Asian lady is going to be different than any other woman and is immune to being a birch or materialistic you better give yourself a shake !
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find some women of other races attractive , including Asian woman but I
feel more comfortable with my own and want kids that look like me and not a mixed bag of several races.
I’m a Filipina woman and for me, I don’t mind it if white guys like Asian girls’ looks. I like it that these guys appreciate beauty that is different from the familiar. So what if they like Chinese, Korean or Filipina looks? Why are people hating on interracial attraction anyway as long as you don’t have weird stereotypical expectations about people from that race?
Now it would be offensive if they’d assume all Asian women are submissive and point this out like “hey, you shouldn’t be like that! You’re Asian.”…because that’s implying racist stereotype like all Asian females have some sort of uni-mind or something.
I like how white guys look too….I have a preference for white males, but people shouldn’t judge those with inter-racial preferences that they’d like ANYONE who is Asian, or anyone who is black or white. I prefer white guys, but I have a type. When I see white guys, I don’t get attracted to all of them…hello! You prefer a certain look..which you feel would be consistent with a personality you like. I like nice guys who are conservative…so I’d naturally gravitate towards those who look like they’d be good husbands/fathers…I like Colin Firth-ish features. I don’t like Robert Pattinson’s looks. Strange, but true. 😉
If you appreciate the external beauty of another race,but do not expect people of that race to be the same (meaning no prejudice or stereotypes) that is not racism my friends. Those who judge are the racists, but those people who appreciate beauty of other races are not guilty of the crime. What’s wrong with liking the features of another race? I think it’s cute that you see the beauty in those different from you.
Well stated….thank you.
I find Asian women to be very pleasant to be with. I find that they like decent guys who are kind to them. They do NOT seem to be in love with thugs and Bad Boys. They are feminine. They seem to like men who treat them well (they don’t reject a guy who is nice to them-quite the opposite). I find them to be quite intelligent and really don’t find them to be submissive. Rather, when they find a man they like they want him to be happy.
Your comment was well stated until “mixed bag of races”. What are you saying about people who are mixed? That they don’t look like their parents? Not into being with a person of another race doesn’t make you a racist but your comment seems to put negative connotation on the children of interracial relationships.
And people who date people of other races and ethnicities do care about their heritage. People get together with people because “there is real love happening.” There are plenty of people who value and celebrate their culture while dating interracially.
because they have mental issues so they are more comfortable with being with cryptkeepers!
I must say that your article has convinced me that “Asian” may be a sexual orientation right after gay, straight, bisexual, etc.
Im Chinese (from Hong Kong)
Im now having an interracial relationship with my white boyfriend.
I don’t know y ppl can hv so many negative comments on white-asian relationship.
Tho both of us don’t care abt others comment on us.
One thing have to say is why ppl don’t congrats us and wish us can stay forever instead of judging us (mostly on asian girls)?
I think a healthy relationship should be in loving the person’s characters instead of the nationality or appearance.
So if my bf is not a white guy but a Chinese guy, then, nothing will be judged? That’s not fair!
Love shall know no boundaries!!
Different ppl hv different preference. We two ppl come together, I think we shall wish them good instead of cursing them when they will break up.
I certainly agree to what you said, For all I know Asian women are romantic and family oriented, I think that explain they don’t like thugs and bad boys.
Growing up in an Asian household is not fun for an Asian girl to be mostly attracted to white guys and I can tell you the truth there. Before I get into that, let me tell you about me that got me started. I am Vietnamese, tall for an Asian apparently (5’6″), and was born and raised in USA. I grew with the notation from my mother (and a bit from my father) that I had to date and marry an Asian guy – preferably Vietnamese. I will say this, I tried and although I think Asian guys are attractive by looks, but for some reason, I never could have romantically for one.
This might be because I am tall and I refer myself to be Asian-American, but I grew up having the attraction for white guys. My crush right now is half White/half Hispanic, but he’s mostly white. He also told me that growing up, he never really connected with Asians before and then, when he met me, I was the first Asian he ever connected and is attracted to. In return, I told him the same. From all the guys that I had been attracted, my attraction and connection to him was intense times two than any other.
So, yes, I believe that the white guy with an Asian girl combo is growing more and more common. At my workplace, I see so many of that combo everywhere and most of them are married with one/two kids (they are ADORABLE) or dating and they are all varies from different age groups as well. But the stupid notation that white guys can’t be attracted to Asian girls and the other way around is bull. You can help who you are attracted to or who you fall in love with.
DIFFERENT EXAMPLE -> White female liking an Asian guy
One of my closest friends who is half white/half Hispanic grew up being attracted to Asian guys. She told me that she likes all guys from different races, but Asian usually appeal to her higher than the rest. However, in her case I will agree with this, it is harder to find an Asian guy dating a white girl and that is because again of the notation from the Asian culture that the Asian guy has to pass on his name to an Asian girl. So, in many Asian families – mine included – the Asian guy is more pressured to date an Asian girl than an Asian girl.
But yes, I repeat, it is getting more and more common to see a white guy and Asian girl combo everywhere and it’s just people needing to accept it. I will agree that it’s a little less common for an Asian guy with a white girl, but like I said, if two people love each other, then nothing will stand in their way, especially about society views of things.
Easy to say from your perspective, but the fact is, media and society puts white males on a pedestal and sexualizes Asian females, while other ethnicities of men get put down, and this is clearly evident in the way that you just have a “preference” for whites. Whether you like to admit it or not, your subconscious “preference” has been influenced by these forces, and until these forces disappear through eliminating racism, then you will continue to be judged. That’s just how it is.
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